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	The Progenitors are one of the five remaining Conventions of the Technocratic Union in [[Mage: The Ascension]]. They are the Union's dedicated biological scientists. Organic chemistry, agriculture, genetics, and medicine all fall under their auspices.		The Progenitors are one of the five remaining Conventions of the Technocratic Union in [[Mage: The Ascension]]. They are the Union's dedicated biological scientists. Organic chemistry, agriculture, genetics, and medicine all fall under their auspices.

	The 1e Progenitor fluff was stupid, even by the standards of ~~the~~ 1e Technocracy. It included things like [[What\|professors feeding students to extradimensional dragons for the kicks, pollen allergies being invented to prevent humans from "communing with nature", and an attempt to destroy the human capacity to Awaken via tainted medication.]] One of their divisions was literally devoted ''entirely'' into drugging the masses into sleepy, dull-witted compliance so the [[New World Order]] ~~and its ilk~~ could work with less resistance. Some real [[/pol/]]-tier conspiracy shit, basically.		The 1e Progenitor fluff was stupid, even by the standards of 1e's Technocracy. It included things like [[What\|professors feeding students to extradimensional dragons for the kicks, pollen allergies being invented to prevent humans from "communing with nature", and an attempt to destroy the human capacity to Awaken via tainted medication.]] One of their divisions was literally devoted ''entirely'' into drugging the masses into sleepy, dull-witted compliance so the [[New World Order]] could work with less resistance. Some real [[/pol/]]-tier conspiracy shit, basically.

	By 2e and beyond, the Progenitors had actually become pretty [[Awesome]]. The 1e nonsense had been retconned away as the hysterical fearmongering it obviously was and the Convention became focused on ''actually helping the world'', ie, trying to convince the [[Verbena]] to VACCINATE THEIR GODDAMN KIDS, albeit still with [[Simic Combine\|uplifted velociraptors, living spaceships, and having a werewolf arm grafted to your torso]]. Because ''Mage''. Revised outright made them heroes, doctors trying to bind up and heal the wounds of their faction and an ailing world.		By 2e and beyond, the Progenitors had actually become pretty [[Awesome]]. The 1e nonsense had been retconned away as the hysterical fearmongering it obviously was and the Convention became focused on ''actually helping the world'', ie, trying to convince the [[Verbena]] to VACCINATE THEIR GODDAMN KIDS, albeit still with [[Simic Combine\|uplifted velociraptors, living spaceships, and having a werewolf arm grafted to your torso]]. Because ''Mage''. Revised outright made them heroes, doctors trying to bind up and heal the wounds of their faction and an ailing world.

	~~Their major flaws are intolerance and hypocrisy:~~ they '~~'hate'' alternative medicine~~, ~~the poison-pedalling quacks who sell it~~, ~~and~~ the ~~Reality Deviants who make the Masses believe it's~~ a ~~thing. Their fanatic conservatism about~~ the ~~ideas of progress~~ and ~~how it exists in opposition to (ironically) conservative and traditional forces in the world drives them to hate anything that ''reminds'' them of the past~~ too, ~~like vampires~~. ~~(Not that~~ [[~~Vampire~~: The ~~Masquerade~~\|~~vampires~~]] ~~are usually pretty sympathetic anyway, but, you know, some~~ of ~~them're trying, genocide is always wrong, etc~~.)		Hilariously, they've managed to make inroads with, of all people, the [[Glass Walkers]]. Which makes a kind of sense; as werewolves go the Glass Walkers are reasonably progressive and forward-thinking too, but... I mean, even the most progressive faction in a gameline of [[Werewolf: The Apocalypse\| reactionary eco-fanatics]] is still a strange bedfellow for such equally-fanatical disciples of progress.

	This makes them the most obviously gung-ho Convention about restarting war with the Traditions, which the rest of the Technocracy don't ~~exactly~~ want due to the colossal ~~mess~~ this would cause; they also tend to quietly ignore that they're the ones who ''made'' altmed stop working via the Technocracy's control over the Consensus. Yes, this is ''supposed'' to make them ''less'' sympathetic because White Wolf are fucking hippies ~~with a bias~~ against the Man, but exactly [[Skub\|whether or not it does is up to the reader]] due to White Wolf's characteristic heavy-handedness and the IRL dangers of altmed's bullshit ~~woo meaning there's~~ an immediate and justified bias in favour of the Progenitors for ~~many~~.		That said, things aren't all roses and humanitarianism.

			Their major flaws are intolerance and hypocrisy: they ''hate'' alternative medicine, the poison-pedalling quacks who sell it, and the Reality Deviants who make the Masses believe it's a thing. Their fanatic commitment to the ideas of progress and how it exists in opposition to (ironically) conservative and traditional forces in the world also drives them to hate anything that ''reminds'' them of the past too, like vampires. (Not that [[Vampire: The Masquerade\|vampires]] are usually pretty sympathetic anyway, but, you know, some of them are at least trying, genocide is always wrong outside of edge cases, etc.)

			This makes them the most obviously gung-ho Convention about restarting outright war with the Traditions, which the rest of the Technocracy don't want due to the colossal messes this would cause; they also tend to quietly ignore that they're the ones who ''made'' altmed stop working via the Technocracy's control over the Consensus. Yes, this is ''supposed'' to make them ''less'' sympathetic because White Wolf are fucking hippies who ceaselessly rail against the evils of the Man, but exactly [[Skub\|whether or not it does is up to the reader]] due to White Wolf's characteristic heavy-handedness and the IRL dangers of altmed's woo-woo bullshit creating an immediate and justified bias in favour of the Progenitors for most.

	Infamously, in a mirror to their rivals in the Verbena who did much the same, they enthusiastically supported the Nazis before evidence of mass [[Nephandi\|Nephandus]] involvement in the Third Reich became impossible to ignore, and while the Progenitors sincerely ''believe'' they've purged themselves of the toxic philosophies like eugenics that led them down that dark road, they are indirectly repeating their forbearers' mistakes by (directly or otherwise) supporting an ideology that preaches genocide (this time of Reality Deviants) as a solution to all the world's problems.		Infamously, in a mirror to their rivals in the Verbena who did much the same, they enthusiastically supported the Nazis before evidence of mass [[Nephandi\|Nephandus]] involvement in the Third Reich became impossible to ignore, and while the Progenitors sincerely ''believe'' they've purged themselves of the toxic philosophies like eugenics that led them down that dark road, they are indirectly repeating their forbearers' mistakes by (directly or otherwise) supporting an ideology that preaches genocide (this time of Reality Deviants) as a solution to all the world's problems.

	Which is frankly a shockingly well done bit of subtlety for a gameline that was once so deep in its alternative-medicine cups that it tried to make a faction of ''doctors'' the bad guys.		Which is frankly a shockingly well done bit of subtlety for a gameline that was once so deep in its alternative-medicine cups that it tried to make a faction of ''doctors'' the bad guys. Good going, White Wolf!

	~~Hilariously~~, they've managed to make inroads with, of all people, the [[Glass Walkers]]. Which makes a kind of sense; as werewolves go the Glass Walkers are reasonably progressive and forward-thinking too, but... I mean, even the most progressive faction in a gameline of [[Werewolf: The Apocalypse\| reactionary fanatics]] is still a strange bedfellow for such equally-fanatical disciples of progress.

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1d4chan>SpectralTime at 19:05, 3 September 2022

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	Which is frankly a shockingly well done bit of subtlety for a gameline that was once so deep in its alternative-medicine cups that it tried to make a faction of ''doctors'' the bad guys.		Which is frankly a shockingly well done bit of subtlety for a gameline that was once so deep in its alternative-medicine cups that it tried to make a faction of ''doctors'' the bad guys.

			Hilariously, they've managed to make inroads with, of all people, the [[Glass Walkers]]. Which makes a kind of sense; as werewolves go the Glass Walkers are reasonably progressive and forward-thinking too, but... I mean, even the most progressive faction in a gameline of [[Werewolf: The Apocalypse\| reactionary fanatics]] is still a strange bedfellow for such equally-fanatical disciples of progress.

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1d4chan>SpectralTime at 19:01, 3 September 2022

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	By 2e and beyond, the Progenitors had actually become pretty [[Awesome]]. The 1e nonsense had been retconned away as the hysterical fearmongering it obviously was and the Convention became focused on ''actually helping the world'', ie, trying to convince the [[Verbena]] to VACCINATE THEIR GODDAMN KIDS, albeit still with [[Simic Combine\|uplifted velociraptors, living spaceships, and having a werewolf arm grafted to your torso]]. Because ''Mage''. Revised outright made them heroes, doctors trying to bind up and heal the wounds of their faction and an ailing world.		By 2e and beyond, the Progenitors had actually become pretty [[Awesome]]. The 1e nonsense had been retconned away as the hysterical fearmongering it obviously was and the Convention became focused on ''actually helping the world'', ie, trying to convince the [[Verbena]] to VACCINATE THEIR GODDAMN KIDS, albeit still with [[Simic Combine\|uplifted velociraptors, living spaceships, and having a werewolf arm grafted to your torso]]. Because ''Mage''. Revised outright made them heroes, doctors trying to bind up and heal the wounds of their faction and an ailing world.

	Their major flaws are intolerance and hypocrisy: they ''hate'' alternative medicine, the poison-pedalling quacks who sell it, and the Reality Deviants who make the Masses believe it's a thing. This makes them the most obviously gung-ho Convention about restarting war with the Traditions, which the rest of the Technocracy don't exactly want due to the colossal mess this would cause; they also tend to quietly ignore that they're the ones who ''made'' altmed stop working via the Technocracy's control over the Consensus. Yes, this is ''supposed'' to make them ''less'' sympathetic because White Wolf are fucking hippies with a bias against the Man, but exactly [[Skub\|whether or not it does is up to the reader]] due to White Wolf's characteristic heavy-handedness and the IRL dangers of altmed's bullshit woo meaning there's an immediate and justified bias in favour of the Progenitors for many.		Their major flaws are intolerance and hypocrisy: they ''hate'' alternative medicine, the poison-pedalling quacks who sell it, and the Reality Deviants who make the Masses believe it's a thing. Their fanatic conservatism about the ideas of progress and how it exists in opposition to (ironically) conservative and traditional forces in the world drives them to hate anything that ''reminds'' them of the past too, like vampires. (Not that [[Vampire: The Masquerade\|vampires]] are usually pretty sympathetic anyway, but, you know, some of them're trying, genocide is always wrong, etc.)

			This makes them the most obviously gung-ho Convention about restarting war with the Traditions, which the rest of the Technocracy don't exactly want due to the colossal mess this would cause; they also tend to quietly ignore that they're the ones who ''made'' altmed stop working via the Technocracy's control over the Consensus. Yes, this is ''supposed'' to make them ''less'' sympathetic because White Wolf are fucking hippies with a bias against the Man, but exactly [[Skub\|whether or not it does is up to the reader]] due to White Wolf's characteristic heavy-handedness and the IRL dangers of altmed's bullshit woo meaning there's an immediate and justified bias in favour of the Progenitors for many.

	Infamously, in a mirror to their rivals in the Verbena who did much the same, they enthusiastically supported the Nazis before evidence of mass [[Nephandi\|Nephandus]] involvement in the Third Reich became impossible to ignore, and while the Progenitors sincerely ''believe'' they've purged themselves of the toxic philosophies like eugenics that led them down that dark road, they are indirectly repeating their forbearers' mistakes by (directly or otherwise) supporting an ideology that preaches genocide (this time of Reality Deviants) as a solution to all the world's problems.		Infamously, in a mirror to their rivals in the Verbena who did much the same, they enthusiastically supported the Nazis before evidence of mass [[Nephandi\|Nephandus]] involvement in the Third Reich became impossible to ignore, and while the Progenitors sincerely ''believe'' they've purged themselves of the toxic philosophies like eugenics that led them down that dark road, they are indirectly repeating their forbearers' mistakes by (directly or otherwise) supporting an ideology that preaches genocide (this time of Reality Deviants) as a solution to all the world's problems.

1d4chan>Ow, My Sanity. at 19:21, 19 August 2022

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	By 2e and beyond, the Progenitors had actually become pretty [[Awesome]]. The 1e nonsense had been retconned away as the hysterical fearmongering it obviously was and the Convention became focused on ''actually helping the world'', ie, trying to convince the [[Verbena]] to VACCINATE THEIR GODDAMN KIDS, albeit still with [[Simic Combine\|uplifted velociraptors, living spaceships, and having a werewolf arm grafted to your torso]]. Because ''Mage''. Revised outright made them heroes, doctors trying to bind up and heal the wounds of their faction and an ailing world.		By 2e and beyond, the Progenitors had actually become pretty [[Awesome]]. The 1e nonsense had been retconned away as the hysterical fearmongering it obviously was and the Convention became focused on ''actually helping the world'', ie, trying to convince the [[Verbena]] to VACCINATE THEIR GODDAMN KIDS, albeit still with [[Simic Combine\|uplifted velociraptors, living spaceships, and having a werewolf arm grafted to your torso]]. Because ''Mage''. Revised outright made them heroes, doctors trying to bind up and heal the wounds of their faction and an ailing world.

	Their major ~~flaw is~~ intolerance: they ''hate'' alternative medicine, the poison-pedalling quacks who sell it, and the Reality Deviants who make the Masses believe it's a thing. Yes, this is ''supposed'' to make them ''less'' sympathetic because White Wolf are fucking hippies with a bias against the Man, but exactly [[Skub\|whether or not it does is up to the reader]]~~. (On one hand,~~ White Wolf's characteristic heavy-handedness and the IRL dangers of altmed's bullshit woo ~~mean~~ there's an immediate and justified bias in favour of the Progenitors for many; on the other, it's kind of hypocritical for them to hate alternative medicine for not working when they're the ones who ''made'' it stop working via the Technocracy's control over the Consensus.) Whatever view you hold, it makes them the most obviously gung-ho Convention about restarting war with the Traditions.		Their major flaws are intolerance and hypocrisy: they ''hate'' alternative medicine, the poison-pedalling quacks who sell it, and the Reality Deviants who make the Masses believe it's a thing. This makes them the most obviously gung-ho Convention about restarting war with the Traditions, which the rest of the Technocracy don't exactly want due to the colossal mess this would cause; they also tend to quietly ignore that they're the ones who ''made'' altmed stop working via the Technocracy's control over the Consensus. Yes, this is ''supposed'' to make them ''less'' sympathetic because White Wolf are fucking hippies with a bias against the Man, but exactly [[Skub\|whether or not it does is up to the reader]] due to White Wolf's characteristic heavy-handedness and the IRL dangers of altmed's bullshit woo meaning there's an immediate and justified bias in favour of the Progenitors for many.

	Infamously, in a mirror to their rivals in the Verbena who did much the same, they enthusiastically supported the Nazis before evidence of mass Nephandus involvement in the Third Reich became impossible to ignore, and while the Progenitors sincerely ''believe'' they've purged themselves of the toxic philosophies like eugenics that led them down that dark road, they are indirectly repeating their forbearers' mistakes by (directly or otherwise) supporting an ideology that preaches genocide as a solution to all the world's problems.		Infamously, in a mirror to their rivals in the Verbena who did much the same, they enthusiastically supported the Nazis before evidence of mass [[Nephandi\|Nephandus]] involvement in the Third Reich became impossible to ignore, and while the Progenitors sincerely ''believe'' they've purged themselves of the toxic philosophies like eugenics that led them down that dark road, they are indirectly repeating their forbearers' mistakes by (directly or otherwise) supporting an ideology that preaches genocide (this time of Reality Deviants) as a solution to all the world's problems.

	Which is frankly a shockingly well done bit of subtlety for a gameline that was once so deep in its alternative-medicine cups that it tried to make a faction of ''doctors'' the bad guys.		Which is frankly a shockingly well done bit of subtlety for a gameline that was once so deep in its alternative-medicine cups that it tried to make a faction of ''doctors'' the bad guys.

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1d4chan>Ow, My Sanity. at 21:23, 19 April 2022

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	The Progenitors are one of the five remaining Conventions of the Technocratic Union in [[Mage: The Ascension]]. They are the Union's dedicated biological scientists. Organic chemistry, agriculture, genetics, and medicine all fall under their auspices.		The Progenitors are one of the five remaining Conventions of the Technocratic Union in [[Mage: The Ascension]]. They are the Union's dedicated biological scientists. Organic chemistry, agriculture, genetics, and medicine all fall under their auspices.

	The 1e Progenitor fluff was stupid, even by the standards of the 1e Technocracy. It included things like [[~~Wat~~\|professors feeding students to extradimensional dragons, pollen allergies being invented to prevent humans from "communing with nature", and an attempt to destroy the human capacity to Awaken via tainted medication.]] One of their divisions was literally devoted ''entirely'' into drugging the masses into sleepy, dull-witted compliance. Some real [[/pol/]]-tier conspiracy shit, basically.		The 1e Progenitor fluff was stupid, even by the standards of the 1e Technocracy. It included things like [[What\|professors feeding students to extradimensional dragons for the kicks, pollen allergies being invented to prevent humans from "communing with nature", and an attempt to destroy the human capacity to Awaken via tainted medication.]] One of their divisions was literally devoted ''entirely'' into drugging the masses into sleepy, dull-witted compliance so the [[New World Order]] and its ilk could work with less resistance. Some real [[/pol/]]-tier conspiracy shit, basically.

	By 2e and beyond, the Progenitors had actually become pretty [[Awesome]]. The 1e nonsense had been retconned away as the hysterical fearmongering it obviously was and the Convention became focused on ''actually helping the world'', ie, trying to convince the [[Verbena]] to VACCINATE THEIR GODDAMN KIDS, albeit still with [[Simic Combine\|uplifted velociraptors, living spaceships, and having a werewolf arm grafted to your torso]]. Because ''Mage''. Revised outright made them heroes, doctors trying to bind up and heal the wounds of their faction and an ailing world.		By 2e and beyond, the Progenitors had actually become pretty [[Awesome]]. The 1e nonsense had been retconned away as the hysterical fearmongering it obviously was and the Convention became focused on ''actually helping the world'', ie, trying to convince the [[Verbena]] to VACCINATE THEIR GODDAMN KIDS, albeit still with [[Simic Combine\|uplifted velociraptors, living spaceships, and having a werewolf arm grafted to your torso]]. Because ''Mage''. Revised outright made them heroes, doctors trying to bind up and heal the wounds of their faction and an ailing world.

	Their major flaw is intolerance: they ''hate'' alternative medicine, the poison-~~pedaling~~ quacks who sell it, and the Reality Deviants who make the Masses believe it's a thing. Yes, this is ''supposed'' to make them ''less'' sympathetic, ~~thanks~~ to ~~cheesy deck~~-~~stacking that bears~~ the ~~rank whiff~~ of the ~~real world. Or, y'know~~, ~~the fact~~ it's kind of hypocritical for them to hate alternative medicine for not working when they're the ones who ''made'' it stop working~~, thanks to~~ the Technocracy's control over the Consensus.		Their major flaw is intolerance: they ''hate'' alternative medicine, the poison-pedalling quacks who sell it, and the Reality Deviants who make the Masses believe it's a thing. Yes, this is ''supposed'' to make them ''less'' sympathetic because White Wolf are fucking hippies with a bias against the Man, but exactly [[Skub\|whether or not it does is up to the reader]]. (On one hand, White Wolf's characteristic heavy-handedness and the IRL dangers of altmed's bullshit woo mean there's an immediate and justified bias in favour of the Progenitors for many; on the other, it's kind of hypocritical for them to hate alternative medicine for not working when they're the ones who ''made'' it stop working via the Technocracy's control over the Consensus.) Whatever view you hold, it makes them the most obviously gung-ho Convention about restarting war with the Traditions.

	~~Still, it makes them the most gung-ho Convention about restarting war with the Traditions.~~ Infamously, in a mirror to their rivals in the Verbena who did much the same, they enthusiastically supported the Nazis before evidence of mass Nephandus involvement in the Third Reich became impossible to ignore, and while the Progenitors sincerely ''believe'' they've purged themselves of the toxic philosophies like eugenics that led them down that dark road, they are indirectly repeating their ~~forebearers~~' mistakes by ~~championing~~ an ideology that preaches genocide as a solution to all the world's problems.		Infamously, in a mirror to their rivals in the Verbena who did much the same, they enthusiastically supported the Nazis before evidence of mass Nephandus involvement in the Third Reich became impossible to ignore, and while the Progenitors sincerely ''believe'' they've purged themselves of the toxic philosophies like eugenics that led them down that dark road, they are indirectly repeating their forbearers' mistakes by (directly or otherwise) supporting an ideology that preaches genocide as a solution to all the world's problems.

	Which is frankly a shockingly well done bit of subtlety for a gameline that was once so deep in its alternative-medicine cups that it tried to make a faction of ''doctors'' the bad guys.		Which is frankly a shockingly well done bit of subtlety for a gameline that was once so deep in its alternative-medicine cups that it tried to make a faction of ''doctors'' the bad guys.

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1d4chan>QuietBrowser at 09:31, 26 December 2021

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	By 2e and beyond, the Progenitors had actually become pretty [[Awesome]]. The 1e nonsense had been retconned away as the hysterical fearmongering it obviously was and the Convention became focused on ''actually helping the world'', ie, trying to convince the [[Verbena]] to VACCINATE THEIR GODDAMN KIDS, albeit still with [[Simic Combine\|uplifted velociraptors, living spaceships, and having a werewolf arm grafted to your torso]]. Because ''Mage''. Revised outright made them heroes, doctors trying to bind up and heal the wounds of their faction and an ailing world.		By 2e and beyond, the Progenitors had actually become pretty [[Awesome]]. The 1e nonsense had been retconned away as the hysterical fearmongering it obviously was and the Convention became focused on ''actually helping the world'', ie, trying to convince the [[Verbena]] to VACCINATE THEIR GODDAMN KIDS, albeit still with [[Simic Combine\|uplifted velociraptors, living spaceships, and having a werewolf arm grafted to your torso]]. Because ''Mage''. Revised outright made them heroes, doctors trying to bind up and heal the wounds of their faction and an ailing world.

	Their major flaw is intolerance: they ''hate'' alternative medicine, the poison-pedaling quacks who sell it, and the Reality Deviants who make the Masses believe it's a thing. Yes, this is ''supposed'' to make them ''less'' sympathetic, thanks to cheesy deck-stacking that bears the rank whiff of the real world. Still, it makes them the most gung-ho Convention about restarting war with the Traditions. Infamously, in a mirror to their rivals in the Verbena who did much the same, they enthusiastically supported the Nazis before evidence of mass Nephandus involvement in the Third Reich became impossible to ignore, and while the Progenitors sincerely ''believe'' they've purged themselves of the toxic philosophies like eugenics that led them down that dark road, they are indirectly repeating their forebearers' mistakes by championing an ideology that preaches genocide as a solution to all the world's problems.		Their major flaw is intolerance: they ''hate'' alternative medicine, the poison-pedaling quacks who sell it, and the Reality Deviants who make the Masses believe it's a thing. Yes, this is ''supposed'' to make them ''less'' sympathetic, thanks to cheesy deck-stacking that bears the rank whiff of the real world. Or, y'know, the fact it's kind of hypocritical for them to hate alternative medicine for not working when they're the ones who ''made'' it stop working, thanks to the Technocracy's control over the Consensus.

			Still, it makes them the most gung-ho Convention about restarting war with the Traditions. Infamously, in a mirror to their rivals in the Verbena who did much the same, they enthusiastically supported the Nazis before evidence of mass Nephandus involvement in the Third Reich became impossible to ignore, and while the Progenitors sincerely ''believe'' they've purged themselves of the toxic philosophies like eugenics that led them down that dark road, they are indirectly repeating their forebearers' mistakes by championing an ideology that preaches genocide as a solution to all the world's problems.

	Which is frankly a shockingly well done bit of subtlety for a gameline that was once so deep in its alternative-medicine cups that it tried to make a faction of ''doctors'' the bad guys.		Which is frankly a shockingly well done bit of subtlety for a gameline that was once so deep in its alternative-medicine cups that it tried to make a faction of ''doctors'' the bad guys.

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1d4chan>SpectralTime at 00:07, 2 July 2021

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	By 2e and beyond, the Progenitors had actually become pretty [[Awesome]]. The 1e nonsense had been retconned away as the hysterical fearmongering it obviously was and the Convention became focused on ''actually helping the world'', ie, trying to convince the [[Verbena]] to VACCINATE THEIR GODDAMN KIDS, albeit still with [[Simic Combine\|uplifted velociraptors, living spaceships, and having a werewolf arm grafted to your torso]]. Because ''Mage''. Revised outright made them heroes, doctors trying to bind up and heal the wounds of their faction and an ailing world.		By 2e and beyond, the Progenitors had actually become pretty [[Awesome]]. The 1e nonsense had been retconned away as the hysterical fearmongering it obviously was and the Convention became focused on ''actually helping the world'', ie, trying to convince the [[Verbena]] to VACCINATE THEIR GODDAMN KIDS, albeit still with [[Simic Combine\|uplifted velociraptors, living spaceships, and having a werewolf arm grafted to your torso]]. Because ''Mage''. Revised outright made them heroes, doctors trying to bind up and heal the wounds of their faction and an ailing world.

	Their major flaw is intolerance: they ''hate'' alternative medicine ~~and~~ the poison-pedaling quacks who ~~pedal~~ it. Yes, this is ''supposed'' to make them ''less'' sympathetic, thanks to cheesy deck-stacking that bears the rank whiff of the real world. Still, it makes them the most gung-ho Convention about restarting war with the Traditions.		Their major flaw is intolerance: they ''hate'' alternative medicine, the poison-pedaling quacks who sell it, and the Reality Deviants who make the Masses believe it's a thing. Yes, this is ''supposed'' to make them ''less'' sympathetic, thanks to cheesy deck-stacking that bears the rank whiff of the real world. Still, it makes them the most gung-ho Convention about restarting war with the Traditions. Infamously, in a mirror to their rivals in the Verbena who did much the same, they enthusiastically supported the Nazis before evidence of mass Nephandus involvement in the Third Reich became impossible to ignore, and while the Progenitors sincerely ''believe'' they've purged themselves of the toxic philosophies like eugenics that led them down that dark road, they are indirectly repeating their forebearers' mistakes by championing an ideology that preaches genocide as a solution to all the world's problems.

			Which is frankly a shockingly well done bit of subtlety for a gameline that was once so deep in its alternative-medicine cups that it tried to make a faction of ''doctors'' the bad guys.

	{{WoD-Conventions}}		{{WoD-Conventions}}

1d4chan>SpectralTime at 17:11, 26 July 2020

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	The Progenitors are one of the five remaining Conventions of the Technocratic Union in [[Mage: The Ascension]]. They are the Union's dedicated biological scientists. Organic chemistry, agriculture, genetics, and medicine all fall under their auspices.		The Progenitors are one of the five remaining Conventions of the Technocratic Union in [[Mage: The Ascension]]. They are the Union's dedicated biological scientists. Organic chemistry, agriculture, genetics, and medicine all fall under their auspices.

	The 1e Progenitor fluff was stupid, even by the standards of the 1e Technocracy. It included things like [[Wat\|professors feeding students to extradimensional dragons, pollen allergies being invented to prevent humans from "communing with nature", and an attempt to destroy the human capacity to Awaken via tainted medication.]] Some real [[/pol/]]-tier conspiracy shit, basically.		The 1e Progenitor fluff was stupid, even by the standards of the 1e Technocracy. It included things like [[Wat\|professors feeding students to extradimensional dragons, pollen allergies being invented to prevent humans from "communing with nature", and an attempt to destroy the human capacity to Awaken via tainted medication.]] One of their divisions was literally devoted ''entirely'' into drugging the masses into sleepy, dull-witted compliance. Some real [[/pol/]]-tier conspiracy shit, basically.

	By 2e and beyond, the Progenitors had actually become pretty [[Awesome]]. The 1e nonsense had been retconned away as the hysterical fearmongering it obviously was and the Convention became focused on ''actually helping the world'', ie, trying to convince the [[Verbena]] to VACCINATE THEIR GODDAMN KIDS, albeit still with [[Simic Combine\|uplifted velociraptors, living spaceships, and having a werewolf arm grafted to your torso]]. Because Mage. Revised outright made them heroes, doctors trying to bind up and heal the wounds of their faction and an ailing world.		By 2e and beyond, the Progenitors had actually become pretty [[Awesome]]. The 1e nonsense had been retconned away as the hysterical fearmongering it obviously was and the Convention became focused on ''actually helping the world'', ie, trying to convince the [[Verbena]] to VACCINATE THEIR GODDAMN KIDS, albeit still with [[Simic Combine\|uplifted velociraptors, living spaceships, and having a werewolf arm grafted to your torso]]. Because ''Mage''. Revised outright made them heroes, doctors trying to bind up and heal the wounds of their faction and an ailing world.

			Their major flaw is intolerance: they ''hate'' alternative medicine and the poison-pedaling quacks who pedal it. Yes, this is ''supposed'' to make them ''less'' sympathetic, thanks to cheesy deck-stacking that bears the rank whiff of the real world. Still, it makes them the most gung-ho Convention about restarting war with the Traditions.

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	The Progenitors are one of the five remaining Conventions of the Technocratic Union in [[Mage: The Ascension]]. They are the Union's dedicated biological scientists. Organic chemistry, agriculture, genetics, and medicine all fall under their auspices.		The Progenitors are one of the five remaining Conventions of the Technocratic Union in [[Mage: The Ascension]]. They are the Union's dedicated biological scientists. Organic chemistry, agriculture, genetics, and medicine all fall under their auspices.

	The 1e Progenitor fluff was stupid, even by the standards of ~~the~~ 1e Technocracy. It included things like [[What\|professors feeding students to extradimensional dragons for the kicks, pollen allergies being invented to prevent humans from "communing with nature", and an attempt to destroy the human capacity to Awaken via tainted medication.]] One of their divisions was literally devoted ''entirely'' into drugging the masses into sleepy, dull-witted compliance so the [[New World Order]] ~~and its ilk~~ could work with less resistance. Some real [[/pol/]]-tier conspiracy shit, basically.		The 1e Progenitor fluff was stupid, even by the standards of 1e's Technocracy. It included things like [[What\|professors feeding students to extradimensional dragons for the kicks, pollen allergies being invented to prevent humans from "communing with nature", and an attempt to destroy the human capacity to Awaken via tainted medication.]] One of their divisions was literally devoted ''entirely'' into drugging the masses into sleepy, dull-witted compliance so the [[New World Order]] could work with less resistance. Some real [[/pol/]]-tier conspiracy shit, basically.

	By 2e and beyond, the Progenitors had actually become pretty [[Awesome]]. The 1e nonsense had been retconned away as the hysterical fearmongering it obviously was and the Convention became focused on ''actually helping the world'', ie, trying to convince the [[Verbena]] to VACCINATE THEIR GODDAMN KIDS, albeit still with [[Simic Combine\|uplifted velociraptors, living spaceships, and having a werewolf arm grafted to your torso]]. Because ''Mage''. Revised outright made them heroes, doctors trying to bind up and heal the wounds of their faction and an ailing world.		By 2e and beyond, the Progenitors had actually become pretty [[Awesome]]. The 1e nonsense had been retconned away as the hysterical fearmongering it obviously was and the Convention became focused on ''actually helping the world'', ie, trying to convince the [[Verbena]] to VACCINATE THEIR GODDAMN KIDS, albeit still with [[Simic Combine\|uplifted velociraptors, living spaceships, and having a werewolf arm grafted to your torso]]. Because ''Mage''. Revised outright made them heroes, doctors trying to bind up and heal the wounds of their faction and an ailing world.

	~~Their major flaws are intolerance and hypocrisy:~~ they '~~'hate'' alternative medicine~~, ~~the poison-pedalling quacks who sell it~~, ~~and~~ the ~~Reality Deviants who make the Masses believe it's~~ a ~~thing. Their fanatic conservatism about~~ the ~~ideas of progress~~ and ~~how it exists in opposition to (ironically) conservative and traditional forces in the world drives them to hate anything that ''reminds'' them of the past~~ too, ~~like vampires~~. ~~(Not that~~ [[~~Vampire~~: The ~~Masquerade~~\|~~vampires~~]] ~~are usually pretty sympathetic anyway, but, you know, some~~ of ~~them're trying, genocide is always wrong, etc~~.)		Hilariously, they've managed to make inroads with, of all people, the [[Glass Walkers]]. Which makes a kind of sense; as werewolves go the Glass Walkers are reasonably progressive and forward-thinking too, but... I mean, even the most progressive faction in a gameline of [[Werewolf: The Apocalypse\| reactionary eco-fanatics]] is still a strange bedfellow for such equally-fanatical disciples of progress.

	This makes them the most obviously gung-ho Convention about restarting war with the Traditions, which the rest of the Technocracy don't ~~exactly~~ want due to the colossal ~~mess~~ this would cause; they also tend to quietly ignore that they're the ones who ''made'' altmed stop working via the Technocracy's control over the Consensus. Yes, this is ''supposed'' to make them ''less'' sympathetic because White Wolf are fucking hippies ~~with a bias~~ against the Man, but exactly [[Skub\|whether or not it does is up to the reader]] due to White Wolf's characteristic heavy-handedness and the IRL dangers of altmed's bullshit ~~woo meaning there's~~ an immediate and justified bias in favour of the Progenitors for ~~many~~.		That said, things aren't all roses and humanitarianism.

			Their major flaws are intolerance and hypocrisy: they ''hate'' alternative medicine, the poison-pedalling quacks who sell it, and the Reality Deviants who make the Masses believe it's a thing. Their fanatic commitment to the ideas of progress and how it exists in opposition to (ironically) conservative and traditional forces in the world also drives them to hate anything that ''reminds'' them of the past too, like vampires. (Not that [[Vampire: The Masquerade\|vampires]] are usually pretty sympathetic anyway, but, you know, some of them are at least trying, genocide is always wrong outside of edge cases, etc.)

			This makes them the most obviously gung-ho Convention about restarting outright war with the Traditions, which the rest of the Technocracy don't want due to the colossal messes this would cause; they also tend to quietly ignore that they're the ones who ''made'' altmed stop working via the Technocracy's control over the Consensus. Yes, this is ''supposed'' to make them ''less'' sympathetic because White Wolf are fucking hippies who ceaselessly rail against the evils of the Man, but exactly [[Skub\|whether or not it does is up to the reader]] due to White Wolf's characteristic heavy-handedness and the IRL dangers of altmed's woo-woo bullshit creating an immediate and justified bias in favour of the Progenitors for most.

	Infamously, in a mirror to their rivals in the Verbena who did much the same, they enthusiastically supported the Nazis before evidence of mass [[Nephandi\|Nephandus]] involvement in the Third Reich became impossible to ignore, and while the Progenitors sincerely ''believe'' they've purged themselves of the toxic philosophies like eugenics that led them down that dark road, they are indirectly repeating their forbearers' mistakes by (directly or otherwise) supporting an ideology that preaches genocide (this time of Reality Deviants) as a solution to all the world's problems.		Infamously, in a mirror to their rivals in the Verbena who did much the same, they enthusiastically supported the Nazis before evidence of mass [[Nephandi\|Nephandus]] involvement in the Third Reich became impossible to ignore, and while the Progenitors sincerely ''believe'' they've purged themselves of the toxic philosophies like eugenics that led them down that dark road, they are indirectly repeating their forbearers' mistakes by (directly or otherwise) supporting an ideology that preaches genocide (this time of Reality Deviants) as a solution to all the world's problems.

	Which is frankly a shockingly well done bit of subtlety for a gameline that was once so deep in its alternative-medicine cups that it tried to make a faction of ''doctors'' the bad guys.		Which is frankly a shockingly well done bit of subtlety for a gameline that was once so deep in its alternative-medicine cups that it tried to make a faction of ''doctors'' the bad guys. Good going, White Wolf!

	~~Hilariously~~, they've managed to make inroads with, of all people, the [[Glass Walkers]]. Which makes a kind of sense; as werewolves go the Glass Walkers are reasonably progressive and forward-thinking too, but... I mean, even the most progressive faction in a gameline of [[Werewolf: The Apocalypse\| reactionary fanatics]] is still a strange bedfellow for such equally-fanatical disciples of progress.

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	By 2e and beyond, the Progenitors had actually become pretty [[Awesome]]. The 1e nonsense had been retconned away as the hysterical fearmongering it obviously was and the Convention became focused on ''actually helping the world'', ie, trying to convince the [[Verbena]] to VACCINATE THEIR GODDAMN KIDS, albeit still with [[Simic Combine\|uplifted velociraptors, living spaceships, and having a werewolf arm grafted to your torso]]. Because ''Mage''. Revised outright made them heroes, doctors trying to bind up and heal the wounds of their faction and an ailing world.		By 2e and beyond, the Progenitors had actually become pretty [[Awesome]]. The 1e nonsense had been retconned away as the hysterical fearmongering it obviously was and the Convention became focused on ''actually helping the world'', ie, trying to convince the [[Verbena]] to VACCINATE THEIR GODDAMN KIDS, albeit still with [[Simic Combine\|uplifted velociraptors, living spaceships, and having a werewolf arm grafted to your torso]]. Because ''Mage''. Revised outright made them heroes, doctors trying to bind up and heal the wounds of their faction and an ailing world.

	Their major flaws are intolerance and hypocrisy: they ''hate'' alternative medicine, the poison-pedalling quacks who sell it, and the Reality Deviants who make the Masses believe it's a thing. This makes them the most obviously gung-ho Convention about restarting war with the Traditions, which the rest of the Technocracy don't exactly want due to the colossal mess this would cause; they also tend to quietly ignore that they're the ones who ''made'' altmed stop working via the Technocracy's control over the Consensus. Yes, this is ''supposed'' to make them ''less'' sympathetic because White Wolf are fucking hippies with a bias against the Man, but exactly [[Skub\|whether or not it does is up to the reader]] due to White Wolf's characteristic heavy-handedness and the IRL dangers of altmed's bullshit woo meaning there's an immediate and justified bias in favour of the Progenitors for many.		Their major flaws are intolerance and hypocrisy: they ''hate'' alternative medicine, the poison-pedalling quacks who sell it, and the Reality Deviants who make the Masses believe it's a thing. Their fanatic conservatism about the ideas of progress and how it exists in opposition to (ironically) conservative and traditional forces in the world drives them to hate anything that ''reminds'' them of the past too, like vampires. (Not that [[Vampire: The Masquerade\|vampires]] are usually pretty sympathetic anyway, but, you know, some of them're trying, genocide is always wrong, etc.)

			This makes them the most obviously gung-ho Convention about restarting war with the Traditions, which the rest of the Technocracy don't exactly want due to the colossal mess this would cause; they also tend to quietly ignore that they're the ones who ''made'' altmed stop working via the Technocracy's control over the Consensus. Yes, this is ''supposed'' to make them ''less'' sympathetic because White Wolf are fucking hippies with a bias against the Man, but exactly [[Skub\|whether or not it does is up to the reader]] due to White Wolf's characteristic heavy-handedness and the IRL dangers of altmed's bullshit woo meaning there's an immediate and justified bias in favour of the Progenitors for many.

	Infamously, in a mirror to their rivals in the Verbena who did much the same, they enthusiastically supported the Nazis before evidence of mass [[Nephandi\|Nephandus]] involvement in the Third Reich became impossible to ignore, and while the Progenitors sincerely ''believe'' they've purged themselves of the toxic philosophies like eugenics that led them down that dark road, they are indirectly repeating their forbearers' mistakes by (directly or otherwise) supporting an ideology that preaches genocide (this time of Reality Deviants) as a solution to all the world's problems.		Infamously, in a mirror to their rivals in the Verbena who did much the same, they enthusiastically supported the Nazis before evidence of mass [[Nephandi\|Nephandus]] involvement in the Third Reich became impossible to ignore, and while the Progenitors sincerely ''believe'' they've purged themselves of the toxic philosophies like eugenics that led them down that dark road, they are indirectly repeating their forbearers' mistakes by (directly or otherwise) supporting an ideology that preaches genocide (this time of Reality Deviants) as a solution to all the world's problems.