Proxy - Revision history

imported>Administrator: 58 revisions imported

2023-06-22T15:08:46Z

58 revisions imported

← Older revision	Revision as of 15:08, 22 June 2023
(No difference)

imported>Administrator: 1 revision imported

2023-06-19T03:13:07Z

1 revision imported

← Older revision	Revision as of 03:13, 19 June 2023
(No difference)

1d4chan>ZeonPonyWolf: /* Other miniatures */

2023-06-04T15:07:12Z

Other miniatures

← Older revision		Revision as of 15:07, 4 June 2023
Line 12:		Line 12:

	===Other miniatures===		===Other miniatures===
	This is fairly simple approach where you buy models (either from the same game or another) that look better or are cheaper and use them to represent something else. The key to finding acceptance in this school is in finding models that actually work in context. Being in the right scale is critical, and matching the aesthetic of the army is fairly important, you may get away with a Gundam model in a [[Tau]] army (the Rick Dias is your bet btw), but [[Space Marines]]? Not so much. Using single minis or a small group of them to represent specific things (characters or veteran units) is generally ok, they often look better or are way, way, WAY cheaper, and in friendly/unofficial games NOBODY is going to give a single fuck if you're not using Cadians, Catachan or the like to represent your Imperial Guardsmen. (Seriously, $45 for a box of ten Guardsmen?)		This is fairly simple approach where you buy models (either from the same game or another) that look better or are cheaper and use them to represent something else. The key to finding acceptance in this school is in finding models that actually work in context. Being in the right scale is critical, and matching the aesthetic of the army is fairly important, you may get away with a Gundam model in a [[Tau]] army (the Rick Dias is your best bet btw), but [[Space Marines]]? Not so much. Using single minis or a small group of them to represent specific things (characters or veteran units) is generally ok, they often look better or are way, way, WAY cheaper, and in friendly/unofficial games NOBODY is going to give a single fuck if you're not using Cadians, Catachan or the like to represent your Imperial Guardsmen. (Seriously, $45 for a box of ten Guardsmen?)

	Also fun fact: GW licensed products also count for warhammer world at least: it's the rule's clause that also allows the old 2ed titans tanks GW did not technically make through armor cast and the like. Same goes for [[Space Crusade]] produced by Milton Bradley. It also let's means you can technically drop a Bandai's Warhammer 40,000 Chibi model and it be table (if not tournment) legal at a GW store.		Also fun fact: GW licensed products also count for warhammer world at least: it's the rule's clause that also allows the old 2ed titans tanks GW did not technically make through armor cast and the like. Same goes for [[Space Crusade]] produced by Milton Bradley. It also let's means you can technically drop a Bandai's Warhammer 40,000 Chibi model and it be table (if not tournment) legal at a GW store.

1d4chan>ZeonPonyWolf: /* Other miniatures */

2022-12-17T02:47:41Z

Other miniatures

← Older revision		Revision as of 02:47, 17 December 2022
Line 14:		Line 14:
	This is fairly simple approach where you buy models (either from the same game or another) that look better or are cheaper and use them to represent something else. The key to finding acceptance in this school is in finding models that actually work in context. Being in the right scale is critical, and matching the aesthetic of the army is fairly important, you may get away with a Gundam model in a [[Tau]] army (the Rick Dias is your bet btw), but [[Space Marines]]? Not so much. Using single minis or a small group of them to represent specific things (characters or veteran units) is generally ok, they often look better or are way, way, WAY cheaper, and in friendly/unofficial games NOBODY is going to give a single fuck if you're not using Cadians, Catachan or the like to represent your Imperial Guardsmen. (Seriously, $45 for a box of ten Guardsmen?)		This is fairly simple approach where you buy models (either from the same game or another) that look better or are cheaper and use them to represent something else. The key to finding acceptance in this school is in finding models that actually work in context. Being in the right scale is critical, and matching the aesthetic of the army is fairly important, you may get away with a Gundam model in a [[Tau]] army (the Rick Dias is your bet btw), but [[Space Marines]]? Not so much. Using single minis or a small group of them to represent specific things (characters or veteran units) is generally ok, they often look better or are way, way, WAY cheaper, and in friendly/unofficial games NOBODY is going to give a single fuck if you're not using Cadians, Catachan or the like to represent your Imperial Guardsmen. (Seriously, $45 for a box of ten Guardsmen?)

	Also fun fact: GW licensed products also count for warhammer world at least: it's the rule's clause that also allows the old 2ed titans tanks GW did not technically make through armor cast and the like. It also let's means you can technically drop a Bandai's Warhammer 40,000 Chibi model and it be table (if not tournment) legal at a GW store.		Also fun fact: GW licensed products also count for warhammer world at least: it's the rule's clause that also allows the old 2ed titans tanks GW did not technically make through armor cast and the like. Same goes for [[Space Crusade]] produced by Milton Bradley. It also let's means you can technically drop a Bandai's Warhammer 40,000 Chibi model and it be table (if not tournment) legal at a GW store.

	===Random objects===		===Random objects===

2601:1C0:5C01:EAA0:8C75:4C36:E268:D52E: /* Other miniatures */

2022-08-07T10:32:33Z

Other miniatures

← Older revision		Revision as of 10:32, 7 August 2022
Line 13:		Line 13:
	===Other miniatures===		===Other miniatures===
	This is fairly simple approach where you buy models (either from the same game or another) that look better or are cheaper and use them to represent something else. The key to finding acceptance in this school is in finding models that actually work in context. Being in the right scale is critical, and matching the aesthetic of the army is fairly important, you may get away with a Gundam model in a [[Tau]] army (the Rick Dias is your bet btw), but [[Space Marines]]? Not so much. Using single minis or a small group of them to represent specific things (characters or veteran units) is generally ok, they often look better or are way, way, WAY cheaper, and in friendly/unofficial games NOBODY is going to give a single fuck if you're not using Cadians, Catachan or the like to represent your Imperial Guardsmen. (Seriously, $45 for a box of ten Guardsmen?)		This is fairly simple approach where you buy models (either from the same game or another) that look better or are cheaper and use them to represent something else. The key to finding acceptance in this school is in finding models that actually work in context. Being in the right scale is critical, and matching the aesthetic of the army is fairly important, you may get away with a Gundam model in a [[Tau]] army (the Rick Dias is your bet btw), but [[Space Marines]]? Not so much. Using single minis or a small group of them to represent specific things (characters or veteran units) is generally ok, they often look better or are way, way, WAY cheaper, and in friendly/unofficial games NOBODY is going to give a single fuck if you're not using Cadians, Catachan or the like to represent your Imperial Guardsmen. (Seriously, $45 for a box of ten Guardsmen?)

			Also fun fact: GW licensed products also count for warhammer world at least: it's the rule's clause that also allows the old 2ed titans tanks GW did not technically make through armor cast and the like. It also let's means you can technically drop a Bandai's Warhammer 40,000 Chibi model and it be table (if not tournment) legal at a GW store.

	===Random objects===		===Random objects===

66.207.28.73: /* Other miniatures */

2021-11-23T04:57:51Z

Other miniatures

← Older revision		Revision as of 04:57, 23 November 2021
Line 12:		Line 12:

	===Other miniatures===		===Other miniatures===
	This is fairly simple approach where you buy models (either from the same game or another) that look better or are cheaper and use them to represent something else. The key to finding acceptance in this school is in finding models that actually work in context. Being in the right scale is critical, and matching the aesthetic of the army is fairly important, you may get away with a Gundam model in a [[Tau]] army, but [[Space Marines]]? Not so much. Using single minis or a small group of them to represent specific things (characters or veteran units) is generally ok, they often look better or are way, way, WAY cheaper, and in friendly/unofficial games NOBODY is going to give a single fuck if you're not using Cadians, Catachan or the like to represent your Imperial Guardsmen. (Seriously, $45 for a box of ten Guardsmen?)		This is fairly simple approach where you buy models (either from the same game or another) that look better or are cheaper and use them to represent something else. The key to finding acceptance in this school is in finding models that actually work in context. Being in the right scale is critical, and matching the aesthetic of the army is fairly important, you may get away with a Gundam model in a [[Tau]] army (the Rick Dias is your bet btw), but [[Space Marines]]? Not so much. Using single minis or a small group of them to represent specific things (characters or veteran units) is generally ok, they often look better or are way, way, WAY cheaper, and in friendly/unofficial games NOBODY is going to give a single fuck if you're not using Cadians, Catachan or the like to represent your Imperial Guardsmen. (Seriously, $45 for a box of ten Guardsmen?)

	===Random objects===		===Random objects===

37.201.225.36 at 19:13, 4 August 2021

2021-08-04T19:13:32Z

← Older revision		Revision as of 19:13, 4 August 2021
Line 12:		Line 12:

	===Other miniatures===		===Other miniatures===
	This is fairly simple approach where you buy models (either from the same game or another) that look better or are cheaper and use them to represent something else. The key to finding acceptance in this school is in finding models that actually work in context. Being in the right scale is critical, and matching the aesthetic of the army is fairly important, you may get away with a Gundam model in a [[Tau]] army, but [[Space Marines]]? Not so much. Using single minis or a small group of them to represent specific things (characters or veteran units) is generally ok, they often look better or are way, way, WAY cheaper, and in friendly/unofficial games NOBODY is going to give a single fuck if you're not using Cadians, Catachan or the like to represent your Imperial Guardsmen. (Seriously, $30 for a box of ten Guardsmen?)		This is fairly simple approach where you buy models (either from the same game or another) that look better or are cheaper and use them to represent something else. The key to finding acceptance in this school is in finding models that actually work in context. Being in the right scale is critical, and matching the aesthetic of the army is fairly important, you may get away with a Gundam model in a [[Tau]] army, but [[Space Marines]]? Not so much. Using single minis or a small group of them to represent specific things (characters or veteran units) is generally ok, they often look better or are way, way, WAY cheaper, and in friendly/unofficial games NOBODY is going to give a single fuck if you're not using Cadians, Catachan or the like to represent your Imperial Guardsmen. (Seriously, $45 for a box of ten Guardsmen?)

	===Random objects===		===Random objects===

66.207.28.73: /* Conversion */

2021-05-25T05:13:10Z

Conversion

← Older revision		Revision as of 05:13, 25 May 2021
Line 9:		Line 9:

	===Conversion===		===Conversion===
	This is the practice of using existing models and making modifications to create either a personalised version of the original, or a different vehicle entirely. In either case the reason is normally to make better looking minis than are officially offered. Very minor conversions are extremely common, as practically all players like to customise their dudes and tanks to some degree and most modern plastic kits are built to be flexible and interchangeable so that minor conversions are as simple as gluing on different bits. More aggressive conversions can involve jamming together bits from multiple kits (known as kitbashing) or using practically no official parts of models at all (known as scratch building). Conversions that build from a single kit are practically always acceptable, and kitbashed or scratchbuilt models are normally fine as long as it's clear what they are supposed to be, what things they have on them and they fit the aesthetic. Various companies make conversion kits and parts to work with/around 40k models and specifically to fill in the gaps in terms of weapon options which are either never officially offered or only available from forge world. Of course for Orks you can pretty much please yourself.		This is the practice of using existing models and making modifications to create either a personalised version of the original, or a different vehicle entirely. In either case the reason is normally to make better looking minis than are officially offered. Very minor conversions are extremely common, as practically all players like to customise their dudes and tanks to some degree and most modern plastic kits are built to be flexible and interchangeable so that minor conversions are as simple as gluing on different bits. More aggressive conversions can involve jamming together bits from multiple kits (known as kitbashing) or using practically no official parts of models at all (known as scratch building). Conversions that build from a single kit are practically always acceptable, and kitbashed or scratchbuilt models are normally fine as long as it's clear what they are supposed to be, what things they have on them and they fit the aesthetic. Various companies make conversion kits and parts to work with/around 40k models and specifically to fill in the gaps in terms of weapon options which are either never officially offered or only available from forge world. Of course for Orks [[Looted\|you can pretty much please yourself]].

	===Other miniatures===		===Other miniatures===

1d4chan>ZeonPonyWolf: /* Notable Proxies */

2021-03-13T04:31:02Z

Notable Proxies

← Older revision		Revision as of 04:31, 13 March 2021
Line 41:		Line 41:
	* ''Soda cans/bottles:'' The infamous carbonated Drop Pod. New or cheap 40k players often use these, sometimes two or three at a time. Anyone who even thinks of using them in tournaments will have [[Indrick Boreale\|multiple simultaneous and devastating offensive boots]] [[Butthurt\|shoved up their buttocks.]]		* ''Soda cans/bottles:'' The infamous carbonated Drop Pod. New or cheap 40k players often use these, sometimes two or three at a time. Anyone who even thinks of using them in tournaments will have [[Indrick Boreale\|multiple simultaneous and devastating offensive boots]] [[Butthurt\|shoved up their buttocks.]]
	* ''Toy tanks:'' Any suitably scaled Tiger II or Sherman can and has been proxied for any other tank in any other game. Notably, [[Leman Russ Battle Tank\|Leman Russes]] and [[Land Raider\|Land Raiders]] are the most egregious proxy offenders both due to GW's outrageous prices, and lazy design, (hold a Land Raider model and a Mark V side by side some time)		* ''Toy tanks:'' Any suitably scaled Tiger II or Sherman can and has been proxied for any other tank in any other game. Notably, [[Leman Russ Battle Tank\|Leman Russes]] and [[Land Raider\|Land Raiders]] are the most egregious proxy offenders both due to GW's outrageous prices, and lazy design, (hold a Land Raider model and a Mark V side by side some time)
	* ''Game non-specific models:'' Some people try to cash in on other peoples' need for cheap models. These often look neat, and tend to hold enough respect that their owners can get away with only having about two tanks. And using them in every game. For every system. ALWAYS.		* ''Game non-specific models:'' Some people (especially Russians) try to cash in on other peoples' need for cheap models. These often look neat, and tend to hold enough respect that their owners can get away with only having about two tanks. And using them in every game. For every system. ALWAYS.
	*''Empty model bases'': either as objective markers, or for [[That Guy\|greedier people]], stealth units.		*''Empty model bases'': either as objective markers, or for [[That Guy\|greedier people]], stealth units.

193.183.208.120: steatlh -> stealth

2020-12-27T19:54:35Z

steatlh -> stealth

← Older revision		Revision as of 19:54, 27 December 2020
Line 42:		Line 42:
	* ''Toy tanks:'' Any suitably scaled Tiger II or Sherman can and has been proxied for any other tank in any other game. Notably, [[Leman Russ Battle Tank\|Leman Russes]] and [[Land Raider\|Land Raiders]] are the most egregious proxy offenders both due to GW's outrageous prices, and lazy design, (hold a Land Raider model and a Mark V side by side some time)		* ''Toy tanks:'' Any suitably scaled Tiger II or Sherman can and has been proxied for any other tank in any other game. Notably, [[Leman Russ Battle Tank\|Leman Russes]] and [[Land Raider\|Land Raiders]] are the most egregious proxy offenders both due to GW's outrageous prices, and lazy design, (hold a Land Raider model and a Mark V side by side some time)
	* ''Game non-specific models:'' Some people try to cash in on other peoples' need for cheap models. These often look neat, and tend to hold enough respect that their owners can get away with only having about two tanks. And using them in every game. For every system. ALWAYS.		* ''Game non-specific models:'' Some people try to cash in on other peoples' need for cheap models. These often look neat, and tend to hold enough respect that their owners can get away with only having about two tanks. And using them in every game. For every system. ALWAYS.
	*''Empty model bases'': either as objective markers, or for [[That Guy\|greedier people]], ~~steatlh~~ units.		*''Empty model bases'': either as objective markers, or for [[That Guy\|greedier people]], stealth units.

	==See Also==		==See Also==
	* [[Counts As]], where an old unit is used as a proxy for a new one		* [[Counts As]], where an old unit is used as a proxy for a new one
	[[Category:Miniatures]]		[[Category:Miniatures]]