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	==[[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|Third edition]]==		==[[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|Third edition]]==
	[[File:Mvc2_Psylocke.jpg\|right\|thumb\|Yeah we know why you ''really'' want to play a Soulknife]]		[[File:Mvc2_Psylocke.jpg\|right\|thumb\|Yeah we know why you ''really'' want to play a Soulknife]]
	D&D 3.0's first and only psionics splatbook was the ''[[Psionics Handbook]]'', which was an absolute clusterfuck. It made the mistake of simultaneously introducing a psionics system AND bringing back a psionic combat system eerily similar to the one from First Edition. This psionic combat system in turn required all six of a character's ability scores to be good, making it the epitome of [[MAD]], and it required more math than [[anal circumference\|FATAL]] and the Apollo missions combined. The psionics system was a bit simpler. Psionic characters were accountant spellcasters who kept track of a mana pool. Psionic powers didn't level up (well, most of them), instead the character would spend mana ("power points") to increase a power's effect. Other players raged about this being h4x because psionic characters could turn themselves into glass cannons and screw a BBEG if they really wanted to. Most of the complaints about psionics came from people who didn't actually read the rules entirely (Few noticed ~~the~~ the rule saying you can only spend your manifester level in PP at once stopping you from dumping your entire pool into something) or from pro spellcasters, who want to be the only ones with an "I win" button. 3.0e psionics had one godlike main class: the Psion, or psychic wizard. The only other class was the [[Psychic Warrior]], a hybrid of psion and fighter.		D&D 3.0's first and only psionics splatbook was the ''[[Psionics Handbook]]'', which was an absolute clusterfuck. It made the mistake of simultaneously introducing a psionics system AND bringing back a psionic combat system eerily similar to the one from First Edition. This psionic combat system in turn required all six of a character's ability scores to be good, making it the epitome of [[MAD]], and it required more math than [[anal circumference\|FATAL]] and the Apollo missions combined. The psionics system was a bit simpler. Psionic characters were accountant spellcasters who kept track of a mana pool. Psionic powers didn't level up (well, most of them), instead the character would spend mana ("power points") to increase a power's effect. Other players raged about this being h4x because psionic characters could turn themselves into glass cannons and screw a BBEG if they really wanted to. Most of the complaints about psionics came from people who didn't actually read the rules entirely (Few noticed the rule saying you can only spend your manifester level in PP at once stopping you from dumping your entire pool into something) or from pro spellcasters, who want to be the only ones with an "I win" button. 3.0e psionics had one godlike main class: the Psion, or psychic wizard. The only other class was the [[Psychic Warrior]], a hybrid of psion and fighter.

	When 3.5e launched, one of the first things it did was replaced the Psionics Handbook with a much better book, the ''[[Expanded Psionics Handbook]]''. It was better because it took the entire bullshit "psionic combat" system, flushed it down the toilet, and pretended it never happened, leaving only the psionics system. It also had some other, much less important contributions. For example, it introduced a new class: the [[wilder]], which was basically just a psion that relied on charisma rather than intelligence, making it the [[sorcerer]] to the psion's wizard while also being a bit of [[barbarian]] with the ability to get pissed for more power.		When 3.5e launched, one of the first things it did was replaced the Psionics Handbook with a much better book, the ''[[Expanded Psionics Handbook]]''. It was better because it took the entire bullshit "psionic combat" system, flushed it down the toilet, and pretended it never happened, leaving only the psionics system. It also had some other, much less important contributions. For example, it introduced a new class: the [[wilder]], which was basically just a psion that relied on charisma rather than intelligence, making it the [[sorcerer]] to the psion's wizard while also being a bit of [[barbarian]] with the ability to get pissed for more power.

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Pathfinder

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	~~Had relesed the~~ [[Occult Adventures]] ~~which~~ had ~~Psionic relatied~~ classes like [[Kineticist]] and [[Psychic]], but were merely spellcasters that used mental spell component in ~~addtion~~ to other complex ~~ablitys~~.		Pathfinder's [[Occult Adventures]] had psionic-related classes like [[Kineticist]] and [[Psychic]], but were merely spellcasters that used mental spell component in addition to other complex abilities.

	The Pathfinder third party supplement Ultimate Psionics contains the Psion class, which works more or less the same as it does in [[3.5e]]. Of the official PF psychic classes, the ''Psychic'' probably closest fits the general archetype of Psion as the "undiluted psionic master" class.		The Pathfinder third party supplement Ultimate Psionics contains the Psion class, which works more or less the same as it does in [[3.5e]]. Of the official PF psychic classes, the ''Psychic'' probably closest fits the general archetype of Psion as the "undiluted psionic master" class.

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Fifth Edition

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	Since then, they've fiddled with many other ideas for Psionics, all of which are [[skub\| controversial]]. Which has people antsy, because it's an open secret that a lack of good psionic mechanics is the major reason 5e has had no ''Dark Sun'' expansion after a year of adaptations of ''Magic: the Gathering'' settings and podcasts instead of the goldmine of native IPs Wizards is sitting on and doing nothing with while not letting anyone else do anything either.		Since then, they've fiddled with many other ideas for Psionics, all of which are [[skub\| controversial]]. Which has people antsy, because it's an open secret that a lack of good psionic mechanics is the major reason 5e has had no ''Dark Sun'' expansion after a year of adaptations of ''Magic: the Gathering'' settings and podcasts instead of the goldmine of native IPs Wizards is sitting on and doing nothing with while not letting anyone else do anything either.

			The new supplement called "tasha's cauldron" will include psionic subclasses, with the Aberrant Mind Sorcerer being the closest to a full fledged psion

	==[[Pathfinder]]==		==[[Pathfinder]]==

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Fifth Edition

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	'''Improved Telekinesis''': At 14th level, you master the full potential of your mind to project physical force into the world. When you cast telekinesis and each time you select a new target for the spell, you can instead choose a number of targets up to your Intelligence bonus (minimum 1).		'''Improved Telekinesis''': At 14th level, you master the full potential of your mind to project physical force into the world. When you cast telekinesis and each time you select a new target for the spell, you can instead choose a number of targets up to your Intelligence bonus (minimum 1).

			Since then, they've fiddled with many other ideas for Psionics, all of which are [[skub\| controversial]]. Which has people antsy, because it's an open secret that a lack of good psionic mechanics is the major reason 5e has had no ''Dark Sun'' expansion after a year of adaptations of ''Magic: the Gathering'' settings and podcasts instead of the goldmine of native IPs Wizards is sitting on and doing nothing with while not letting anyone else do anything either.

	==[[Pathfinder]]==		==[[Pathfinder]]==

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	In 2nd edition, the Complete Book of Psionics introduced the '''Psionicist''' class, which was dedicated to having psychic powers. It was the precursor to the Psion in every way that really matters, but it still relied on the same godawful psychic combat mechanics as 1e. At least in terms of how the engine worked. While clunky and cumbersome to navigate, with the right amount of thought it was possible to use it effectively, you just had to be really REALLY minmaxy about it. A Psion was fully capable of a lot of the other main casting classes abilities like; teleportation, summoning extra-planar creatures, banishing people to pocket dimensions etc. The only thing a Psionicist really couldn't do with their powers, ironically enough, was large amounts of damage. All your basic attack powers did only 1 die of damage regardless of how much you augmented them. Buuut this was a moot point due to one power you could easily obtain early on; Disintegrate. Yep, a save-or-die power in 2nd edition. You could obtain this at level '''3''' if you played your cards right. Sure it would cost most if not all of your points to use it, but that was a small price to pay for an instadeath ability at a time when nobody had saves worth a damn.		In 2nd edition, the Complete Book of Psionics introduced the '''Psionicist''' class, which was dedicated to having psychic powers. It was the precursor to the Psion in every way that really matters, but it still relied on the same godawful psychic combat mechanics as 1e. At least in terms of how the engine worked. While clunky and cumbersome to navigate, with the right amount of thought it was possible to use it effectively, you just had to be really REALLY minmaxy about it. A Psion was fully capable of a lot of the other main casting classes abilities like; teleportation, summoning extra-planar creatures, banishing people to pocket dimensions etc. The only thing a Psionicist really couldn't do with their powers, ironically enough, was large amounts of damage. All your basic attack powers did only 1 die of damage regardless of how much you augmented them. Buuut this was a moot point due to one power you could easily obtain early on; Disintegrate. Yep, a save-or-die power in 2nd edition. You could obtain this at level '''3''' if you played your cards right. Sure it would cost most if not all of your points to use it, but that was a small price to pay for an instadeath ability at a time when nobody had saves worth a damn.

			However, like a miracle from on above, the Psionics rules were altered in the "Skills and Powers" supplement, which would later be bundled in with the Dark Sun revised box set. Although similar in function to before, the use of powers was streamlined to be really easy and quick to play. What changed? Well, for starters instead of the weird "power score" thing, you now had a target AC for each power, as well as a special THACO used for psionic powers that thankfully ''scaled off your level''. This made using powers far easier than ever before. But the big change it brought on was the change to psionic combat, as thanks to the Mental AC and THACO scores, it just became straight up combat which thankfully didn't drag the battle out. Psionic attack modes and defenses were changed from powers to simple proficiencies that the Psionicist got for free. There was still a little bit of rock-paper-scissors with the different defenses and powers, but it still didn't eat up much time. Once you opened up their mind (drained them of PSPs)the attack modes became powers that did serious damage or slapped the target with an unsavable debuff. Oh and the best part? Your Psionic attack modes were '''more effective against targets without Psionic ability'''.

	==[[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|Third edition]]==		==[[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|Third edition]]==

1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* Pathfinder */

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Pathfinder

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	==[[Pathfinder]]==		==[[Pathfinder]]==
			Had relesed the [[Occult Adventures]] which had Psionic relatied classes like [[Kineticist]] and [[Psychic]], but were merely spellcasters that used mental spell component in addtion to other complex ablitys.

	The Pathfinder third party supplement Ultimate Psionics contains the Psion class, which works more or less the same as it does in [[3.5e]]. Of the official PF psychic classes, the ''Psychic'' probably closest fits the general archetype of Psion as the "undiluted psionic master" class.		The Pathfinder third party supplement Ultimate Psionics contains the Psion class, which works more or less the same as it does in [[3.5e]]. Of the official PF psychic classes, the ''Psychic'' probably closest fits the general archetype of Psion as the "undiluted psionic master" class.

	Mechanically, the Psychic functions akin to the [[Sorcerer]], with most of its power stemming from the various Disciplines (sources of psionic energy) that it chooses.		Mechanically, the Psychic functions akin to the [[Sorcerer]], with most of its power stemming from the various Disciplines (sources of psionic energy) that it chooses.


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Third edition

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	==[[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|Third edition]]==		==[[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|Third edition]]==
	[[File:Mvc2_Psylocke.jpg\|right\|thumb\|Yeah we know why you ''really'' want to play a Soulknife]]		[[File:Mvc2_Psylocke.jpg\|right\|thumb\|Yeah we know why you ''really'' want to play a Soulknife]]
	D&D 3.0 ~~had horrific mechanics:~~ the ~~ultimate~~ [[~~Multiple_Ability_Dependency\|M.A.D.~~]], ~~where you needed~~ a ~~high stat for every subcategory of~~ psionics to ~~have~~ a ~~decent power~~, ~~some weird bullshit about psychic duels~~ and ~~other crap that only served to make~~ the system ~~more confusing~~. ~~There was one supplements for 3~~.~~0 psionics~~, the '~~'Psionics handbook'', which included jack-all for new~~ psionic ~~classes~~ and ~~races~~, ~~and had~~ to be ~~replaced by a much better book in~~ 3.5e, the ~~''Expanded Psionics Handbook''~~.		D&D 3.0's first and only psionics splatbook was the ''[[Psionics Handbook]]'', which was an absolute clusterfuck. It made the mistake of simultaneously introducing a psionics system AND bringing back a psionic combat system eerily similar to the one from First Edition. This psionic combat system in turn required all six of a character's ability scores to be good, making it the epitome of [[MAD]], and it required more math than [[anal circumference\|FATAL]] and the Apollo missions combined. The psionics system was a bit simpler. Psionic characters were accountant spellcasters who kept track of a mana pool. Psionic powers didn't level up (well, most of them), instead the character would spend mana ("power points") to increase a power's effect. Other players raged about this being h4x because psionic characters could turn themselves into glass cannons and screw a BBEG if they really wanted to. Most of the complaints about psionics came from people who didn't actually read the rules entirely (Few noticed the the rule saying you can only spend your manifester level in PP at once stopping you from dumping your entire pool into something) or from pro spellcasters, who want to be the only ones with an "I win" button. 3.0e psionics had one godlike main class: the Psion, or psychic wizard. The only other class was the [[Psychic Warrior]], a hybrid of psion and fighter.

	~~In [[~~3.5e]], psionics ~~were simpler: Psions were accountant spellcasters who kept track of a mana pool~~. ~~Psionic powers didn't level up (well~~, ~~most of them)~~, ~~instead~~ the psion ~~would spend mana ("power points")~~ to ~~increase a power~~'s ~~effect. Other players raged about this~~ being ~~h4x because~~ a ~~psion could turn themselves into glass cannons and screw a BBEG if they really wanted to. Most~~ of the complaints about psionics came from people who didn't actually read the rules entirely (Few noticed the the rule saying you can only spend your manifester level in PP at once stopping you from dumping your entire pool into something) or from pro spellcasters, who want to ~~be the only ones with an "I win" button~~.		When 3.5e launched, one of the first things it did was replaced the Psionics Handbook with a much better book, the ''[[Expanded Psionics Handbook]]''. It was better because it took the entire bullshit "psionic combat" system, flushed it down the toilet, and pretended it never happened, leaving only the psionics system. It also had some other, much less important contributions. For example, it introduced a new class: the [[wilder]], which was basically just a psion that relied on charisma rather than intelligence, making it the [[sorcerer]] to the psion's wizard while also being a bit of [[barbarian]] with the ability to get pissed for more power.

	3.5e ~~psionics had one godlike main class: the Psion, or psychic wizard (though the limited number of known powers make it more like a sorcerer).~~ [[~~Psychic Warrior~~]] ~~was a hybrid of psion and fighter~~, ~~created only because fucktons of people in~~ 3~~.0 were multiclassing~~ psion with fighter for reasons that nobody remembers, but was a pretty decent single class [[Gish]] that made good use of how psionics were friendly with getting spells from other lists. The [[wilder]] was basically just a psion that relied on charisma rather than intelligence, making it the [[~~sorcerer~~]] ~~to the psion's wizard while also being a bit of [[barbarian]] with the ability to get pissed for more power. Finally~~, ~~there was the <s>Protoss Zealot</s>~~ [[~~Soulknife~~]], originally a prestige class that allowed people to roleplay as a Protoss Zealot from Starcraft. Nobody played them because they sucked ass. The ''Expanded Psionics Handbook'' tried to fix that by bumping them down to a main class and giving players a new race, the <s>Protoss</s> Xeph, which was created for the sole purpose of looking like a Protoss and ~~having the <s>Zealot</s> Soulknife as its favored class. Unfortunately, the <s>Protoss</s> Xeph were designed with a -2 to strength, which just happened to be the~~ [[~~god Stat~~]] ~~for <s>Zealots</s> soulknives, so that idea failed~~.		Later on, 3.5e added [[Complete Psionic]], which brought 3 new psion-like classes: the [[Ardent]], [[Divine Mind]], and [[Lurk]].

	==[[Dungeons & Dragons 4th Edition\|Fourth Edition]]==		==[[Dungeons & Dragons 4th Edition\|Fourth Edition]]==

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