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	~~===[[13th Age]]===~~
	Unfortunately, the Ranger is another class in 13th Age that suffers from being a "simple" class, but Rangers are very unique you see, why? Because they have '''NO FEATURES''' at all, instead relying exclusively on Talents for Options. This means that they can jack spells from the [[Sorcerer]] or [[Cleric]], take a favored enemy, get an animal pet, track good or make an extra attack on a natural even result of the die.

	The costliest of these options is the ability to take a full-grown animal companion (not to be mistaken with the pet, which just jacks the [[Wizard]]'s familiar except for the magical bit), which technically acts during their owner's Initiative, though the action will only happen before or after the owner's turn dependin on typing. With 13th Age's watered-down playstyle, this means that one statline is shared between all pets, with the differences between each type being merely a specific perk (some of which can have feats), and that's a bit flat when you have to spend an entire ''two fucking talents'' out of a Ranger's initial three talents (or if you try saving up for one of the talents you get later in your class progression, but that's even stupider because you're wasting an entire 3-to-5 levels on a dead talent). Enter the "13 True Ways" splat and the [[Druid]]. The Druid can also gain a pet just like the Ranger, but with extra tweaks. The first is the ability to only spend only one talent, letting you call up your pet, but only on every other battle, which can prove to be a drag depending on how you time that cooldown. The second is that spending those two talents also provides you with a special set of Daily spells that are specifically made to buff your pet and nothing else. Best of all, these were retroactively shared with the Ranger too because even the devs realized how trash it would've been if the Ranger was stuck with the naff version provided by the CRB.

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	All in all... it's actually better than the Beastmaster, but that's admittedly not a high bar to clear.		All in all... it's actually better than the Beastmaster, but that's admittedly not a high bar to clear.

			==[[13th Age]]==
			Unfortunately, the Ranger is another class in [[13th Age]] that suffers from being a "simple" class, but Rangers are very unique you see. Why? Because they have '''NO FEATURES''' at all, instead relying exclusively on Talents for Options. This means that they can jack spells from the [[Sorcerer]] or [[Cleric]], take a favored enemy, get an animal pet, track good or make an extra attack on a natural even result of the die.

			The costliest of these options is the ability to take a full-grown animal companion (not to be mistaken with the pet, which just jacks the [[Wizard]]'s familiar except for the part where it's magical), which technically acts during their owner's Initiative, though the action will only happen before or after the owner's turn depending on typing. With 13th Age's watered-down playstyle, this means that one statline is shared between all pets, with the differences between each type being merely a specific perk (some of which can have feats), and that's a bit flat when you have to spend an entire ''two fucking talents'' out of a Ranger's initial three talents (or if you try saving up for one of the talents you get later in your class progression, but that's even stupider because you're wasting an entire 3-to-5 levels on a dead talent). Enter the ''13 True Ways'' splat and the [[Druid]]. The Druid can also gain a pet just like the Ranger, but with extra tweaks. The first is the ability to only spend only one talent, letting you call up your pet, but only on every other battle, which can prove to be a drag depending on how you time that cooldown. The second is that spending those two talents for a full-time pet also provides you with a special set of Daily spells that are specifically made to buff your pet and nothing else. Best of all, these were retroactively shared with the Ranger too because even the devs realized how trash it would've been if the Ranger was stuck with the naff version provided by the CRB.

	==Pathfinder==		==Pathfinder==

1d4chan>ThatOneBruvva: /* 13th Age */

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	===13th Age===		===[[13th Age]]===
	Unfortunately, the Ranger is another class in 13th Age that suffers from being a "simple" class, but Rangers are very unique you see, why? Because they have '''NO FEATURES''' at all, instead relying exclusively on Talents for Options. This means that they can jack spells from the [[Sorcerer]] or [[Cleric]], take a favored enemy, get an animal pet, track good or make an extra attack on a natural even result of the die.		Unfortunately, the Ranger is another class in 13th Age that suffers from being a "simple" class, but Rangers are very unique you see, why? Because they have '''NO FEATURES''' at all, instead relying exclusively on Talents for Options. This means that they can jack spells from the [[Sorcerer]] or [[Cleric]], take a favored enemy, get an animal pet, track good or make an extra attack on a natural even result of the die.

1d4chan>ThatOneBruvva: /* 13th Age */

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13th Age

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	===13th Age===		===13th Age===
	Unfortunately another class in 13th Age that suffers from being a "simple" class, but Rangers are very unique you see, why? Because they have '''NO FEATURES''' at all, instead relying exclusively on Talents for Options, they can jack spells from the Sorcerer or Cleric, take a favored enemy, get an animal pet, track good or make an extra attack on a natural even result of the die.		Unfortunately, the Ranger is another class in 13th Age that suffers from being a "simple" class, but Rangers are very unique you see, why? Because they have '''NO FEATURES''' at all, instead relying exclusively on Talents for Options. This means that they can jack spells from the [[Sorcerer]] or [[Cleric]], take a favored enemy, get an animal pet, track good or make an extra attack on a natural even result of the die.

			The costliest of these options is the ability to take a full-grown animal companion (not to be mistaken with the pet, which just jacks the [[Wizard]]'s familiar except for the magical bit), which technically acts during their owner's Initiative, though the action will only happen before or after the owner's turn dependin on typing. With 13th Age's watered-down playstyle, this means that one statline is shared between all pets, with the differences between each type being merely a specific perk (some of which can have feats), and that's a bit flat when you have to spend an entire ''two fucking talents'' out of a Ranger's initial three talents (or if you try saving up for one of the talents you get later in your class progression, but that's even stupider because you're wasting an entire 3-to-5 levels on a dead talent). Enter the "13 True Ways" splat and the [[Druid]]. The Druid can also gain a pet just like the Ranger, but with extra tweaks. The first is the ability to only spend only one talent, letting you call up your pet, but only on every other battle, which can prove to be a drag depending on how you time that cooldown. The second is that spending those two talents also provides you with a special set of Daily spells that are specifically made to buff your pet and nothing else. Best of all, these were retroactively shared with the Ranger too because even the devs realized how trash it would've been if the Ranger was stuck with the naff version provided by the CRB.

	===5th Edition===		===5th Edition===

1d4chan>Phantom in the Distant Seas: /* 13th Age */

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	===13th Age===		===13th Age===
	Unfortunately another class in 13th Age that suffers from being a "simple" class, but Rangers are very unique you see, why? Because they have NO FEATURES at all, instead relying exclusively on Talents for Options, they can jack spells from the Sorcerer or Cleric, take a favored enemy, get an animal pet, track good or make an extra attack on a natural even result of the die.		Unfortunately another class in 13th Age that suffers from being a "simple" class, but Rangers are very unique you see, why? Because they have '''NO FEATURES''' at all, instead relying exclusively on Talents for Options, they can jack spells from the Sorcerer or Cleric, take a favored enemy, get an animal pet, track good or make an extra attack on a natural even result of the die.

	===5th Edition===		===5th Edition===

1d4chan>Phantom in the Distant Seas at 23:20, 26 September 2022

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			===13th Age===
			Unfortunately another class in 13th Age that suffers from being a "simple" class, but Rangers are very unique you see, why? Because they have NO FEATURES at all, instead relying exclusively on Talents for Options, they can jack spells from the Sorcerer or Cleric, take a favored enemy, get an animal pet, track good or make an extra attack on a natural even result of the die.

	===5th Edition===		===5th Edition===

1d4chan>Zimriel: /* 3rd Edition */

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	Third edition Ranger was equally useless. Their only class features were Track as a bonus feat, some gimped spellcasting, Favored Enemy (Hating a type so much you did extra damage to them) and the basic parts of dual wielding for free, but in light armor (and one could argue that, per [[RAW]], they don't actually have these feats and can't qualify for anything further). The chassis was OK, gaining full BAB, light and medium armor, 4+int skill points and d10 HD, but if they weren't fighting the enemy they really hated, they were literally worse than [[Warrior\|an NPC class]] in combat. Even then they were pretty shit since Favored Enemy granted a whole +1 bonus. At best, it was a one level dip for [[Rogue]] to gain martial weapons and be able to activate magic items that used the Ranger spell list. They ''technically'' had an animal companion, but this was a function of their spell list and not something they got till level 4. Since it was a function of a spell, anyone with a scroll of Animal Friendship and the ability to use it could technically get one.		Third edition Ranger was equally useless. Their only class features were Track as a bonus feat, some gimped spellcasting, Favored Enemy (Hating a type so much you did extra damage to them) and the basic parts of dual wielding for free, but in light armor (and one could argue that, per [[RAW]], they don't actually have these feats and can't qualify for anything further). The chassis was OK, gaining full BAB, light and medium armor, 4+int skill points and d10 HD, but if they weren't fighting the enemy they really hated, they were literally worse than [[Warrior\|an NPC class]] in combat. Even then they were pretty shit since Favored Enemy granted a whole +1 bonus. At best, it was a one level dip for [[Rogue]] to gain martial weapons and be able to activate magic items that used the Ranger spell list. They ''technically'' had an animal companion, but this was a function of their spell list and not something they got till level 4. Since it was a function of a spell, anyone with a scroll of Animal Friendship and the ability to use it could technically get one.

	[[Monte Cook]] apparently saw the mess coming and, as early as 2001, posted "Ranger Revisited" on his site ''gratis''. It didn't catch on although he kept tinkering with the manuscript through 2003.		[[Monte Cook]] apparently saw the mess coming and, as early as 2001, posted "Ranger Revisited" on his site ''gratis''. It didn't catch on although he kept tinkering with the manuscript through 2003. Around the same time [[White Wolf]] had the [[Relics_%26_Rituals\|Vigilant]] as a prestige-class.

	3.5 made the ~~class~~ a bit less useless. In exchange for medium armor and downgrading their HD to a d8, they got a good reflex save, 6+int skill points and actual class features. Favored Enemy was now twice as powerful, and the progression twice as fast (though a +2 still isn't ''that'' impressive). Animal Companion was now baked into the class progression, but still operated at half power so Druids still got a ''better'' animal companion than the ranger, and ''they'' could turn that pet into an unstoppable killing machine with buffing magic. They also swapped their bizzare pseudo-dual wielding for being able to select a combat style, either archery or dual wielding, and get some feats for that (though it was slow enough you still needed to spend other feats to do it). Late in 3.5 they got the Swift Hunter feat, which let them gain '''[[Scout (D&D)\|Scout]]''' progression while leveling as ranger and let them apply the scout's skirmish to otherwise immune foes. This made the two mediocre classes into a single solid one, but only if you had the system mastery and other sources to work out how to consistently be able to move and full attack in the same turn.		3.5 made the Rangers a bit less useless. In exchange for medium armor and downgrading their HD to a d8, they got a good reflex save, 6+int skill points and actual class features. Favored Enemy was now twice as powerful, and the progression twice as fast (though a +2 still isn't ''that'' impressive). Animal Companion was now baked into the class progression, but still operated at half power so Druids still got a ''better'' animal companion than the ranger, and ''they'' could turn that pet into an unstoppable killing machine with buffing magic. They also swapped their bizzare pseudo-dual wielding for being able to select a combat style, either archery or dual wielding, and get some feats for that (though it was slow enough you still needed to spend other feats to do it). Late in 3.5 they got the Swift Hunter feat, which let them gain '''[[Scout (D&D)\|Scout]]''' progression while leveling as ranger and let them apply the scout's skirmish to otherwise immune foes. This made the two mediocre classes into a single solid one, but only if you had the system mastery and other sources to work out how to consistently be able to move and full attack in the same turn.

	3.5 Ranger is a [[Tier System\|Tier 4]] class, kinda doing a bit of everything but not particularly well. Pathfinder's buffs would help a lot, but they still weren't good enough at a single thing to reach tier 3. 3.0 ranger could fall even lower.		3.5 Ranger is a [[Tier System\|Tier 4]] class, kinda doing a bit of everything but not particularly well. Pathfinder's buffs would help a lot, but they still weren't good enough at a single thing to reach tier 3. 3.0 ranger could fall even lower.

	Through Malhavoc meanwhile, Monte published [[Wolfgang Baur]]'s ''[[Eldritch Might\|Book of Roguish Luck]]'' which proposed (at last) a "Bandit" class, for your Robin Hood needs. He should be right up Trotter's alley, as an outdoors burglar. [[Arcana Unearthed]] for outdoors-and-eldritch gave up on rangers, simply loading up with various shamans instead.		Through Malhavoc meanwhile, Monte published [[Wolfgang Baur]]'s ''[[Eldritch Might\|Book of Roguish Luck]]'' which proposed (at last) a "Bandit" class, for your Robin Hood needs. He should be right up Trotter's alley, as an outdoors burglar. [[Arcana Unearthed]] for outdoors-and-eldritch gave up on rangers, simply loading up with various shamans instead (and allowing the Vigilant).

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	[[File:Elf ranger.jpg\|400px\|thumb\|right\|He looks cool until you notice the lack of bow string.]]		[[File:Elf ranger.jpg\|400px\|thumb\|right\|He looks pretty cool until you notice the lack of bow string.]]

	'''Rangers''' are usually nature-loving fellas, wielding either a bow or two swords. They are patterned after a certain copyrighted hero from a certain copyrighted fantasy [[The_Lord_of_the_Rings\|book]]. They are warriors that are generally useful for tracking down enemies. They also are usually shitty divine magic users.		'''Rangers''' are usually nature-loving fellas, wielding either a bow or two swords. They are patterned after a certain copyrighted hero from a certain copyrighted fantasy [[The_Lord_of_the_Rings\|book]]. They are warriors that are generally useful for tracking down enemies. They also are usually shitty divine magic users.

1d4chan>EFAP guest at 23:43, 16 July 2022

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	[[File:Elf ranger.jpg\|400px\|right\|He looks cool until you notice the lack of bow string.]]		[[File:Elf ranger.jpg\|400px\|thumb\|right\|He looks cool until you notice the lack of bow string.]]

	'''Rangers''' are usually nature-loving fellas, wielding either a bow or two swords. They are patterned after a certain copyrighted hero from a certain copyrighted fantasy [[The_Lord_of_the_Rings\|book]]. They are warriors that are generally useful for tracking down enemies. They also are usually shitty divine magic users.		'''Rangers''' are usually nature-loving fellas, wielding either a bow or two swords. They are patterned after a certain copyrighted hero from a certain copyrighted fantasy [[The_Lord_of_the_Rings\|book]]. They are warriors that are generally useful for tracking down enemies. They also are usually shitty divine magic users.

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	Third edition Ranger was equally useless. Their only class features were Track as a bonus feat, some gimped spellcasting, Favored Enemy (Hating a type so much you did extra damage to them) and the basic parts of dual wielding for free, but in light armor (and one could argue that, per [[RAW]], they don't actually have these feats and can't qualify for anything further). The chassis was OK, gaining full BAB, light and medium armor, 4+int skill points and d10 HD, but if they weren't fighting the enemy they really hated, they were literally worse than [[Warrior\|an NPC class]] in combat. Even then they were pretty shit since Favored Enemy granted a whole +1 bonus. At best, it was a one level dip for [[Rogue]] to gain martial weapons and be able to activate magic items that used the Ranger spell list. They ''technically'' had an animal companion, but this was a function of their spell list and not something they got till level 4. Since it was a function of a spell, anyone with a scroll of Animal Friendship and the ability to use it could technically get one.		Third edition Ranger was equally useless. Their only class features were Track as a bonus feat, some gimped spellcasting, Favored Enemy (Hating a type so much you did extra damage to them) and the basic parts of dual wielding for free, but in light armor (and one could argue that, per [[RAW]], they don't actually have these feats and can't qualify for anything further). The chassis was OK, gaining full BAB, light and medium armor, 4+int skill points and d10 HD, but if they weren't fighting the enemy they really hated, they were literally worse than [[Warrior\|an NPC class]] in combat. Even then they were pretty shit since Favored Enemy granted a whole +1 bonus. At best, it was a one level dip for [[Rogue]] to gain martial weapons and be able to activate magic items that used the Ranger spell list. They ''technically'' had an animal companion, but this was a function of their spell list and not something they got till level 4. Since it was a function of a spell, anyone with a scroll of Animal Friendship and the ability to use it could technically get one.

	[[Monte Cook]] apparently saw the mess coming and, as early as 2001, posted "Ranger Revisited" on his site ''gratis''. It didn't catch on although he kept tinkering with the manuscript through 2003.		[[Monte Cook]] apparently saw the mess coming and, as early as 2001, posted "Ranger Revisited" on his site ''gratis''. It didn't catch on although he kept tinkering with the manuscript through 2003. Around the same time [[White Wolf]] had the [[Relics_%26_Rituals\|Vigilant]] as a prestige-class.

	3.5 made the ~~class~~ a bit less useless. In exchange for medium armor and downgrading their HD to a d8, they got a good reflex save, 6+int skill points and actual class features. Favored Enemy was now twice as powerful, and the progression twice as fast (though a +2 still isn't ''that'' impressive). Animal Companion was now baked into the class progression, but still operated at half power so Druids still got a ''better'' animal companion than the ranger, and ''they'' could turn that pet into an unstoppable killing machine with buffing magic. They also swapped their bizzare pseudo-dual wielding for being able to select a combat style, either archery or dual wielding, and get some feats for that (though it was slow enough you still needed to spend other feats to do it). Late in 3.5 they got the Swift Hunter feat, which let them gain '''[[Scout (D&D)\|Scout]]''' progression while leveling as ranger and let them apply the scout's skirmish to otherwise immune foes. This made the two mediocre classes into a single solid one, but only if you had the system mastery and other sources to work out how to consistently be able to move and full attack in the same turn.		3.5 made the Rangers a bit less useless. In exchange for medium armor and downgrading their HD to a d8, they got a good reflex save, 6+int skill points and actual class features. Favored Enemy was now twice as powerful, and the progression twice as fast (though a +2 still isn't ''that'' impressive). Animal Companion was now baked into the class progression, but still operated at half power so Druids still got a ''better'' animal companion than the ranger, and ''they'' could turn that pet into an unstoppable killing machine with buffing magic. They also swapped their bizzare pseudo-dual wielding for being able to select a combat style, either archery or dual wielding, and get some feats for that (though it was slow enough you still needed to spend other feats to do it). Late in 3.5 they got the Swift Hunter feat, which let them gain '''[[Scout (D&D)\|Scout]]''' progression while leveling as ranger and let them apply the scout's skirmish to otherwise immune foes. This made the two mediocre classes into a single solid one, but only if you had the system mastery and other sources to work out how to consistently be able to move and full attack in the same turn.

	3.5 Ranger is a [[Tier System\|Tier 4]] class, kinda doing a bit of everything but not particularly well. Pathfinder's buffs would help a lot, but they still weren't good enough at a single thing to reach tier 3. 3.0 ranger could fall even lower.		3.5 Ranger is a [[Tier System\|Tier 4]] class, kinda doing a bit of everything but not particularly well. Pathfinder's buffs would help a lot, but they still weren't good enough at a single thing to reach tier 3. 3.0 ranger could fall even lower.

	Through Malhavoc meanwhile, Monte published [[Wolfgang Baur]]'s ''[[Eldritch Might\|Book of Roguish Luck]]'' which proposed (at last) a "Bandit" class, for your Robin Hood needs. He should be right up Trotter's alley, as an outdoors burglar. [[Arcana Unearthed]] for outdoors-and-eldritch gave up on rangers, simply loading up with various shamans instead.		Through Malhavoc meanwhile, Monte published [[Wolfgang Baur]]'s ''[[Eldritch Might\|Book of Roguish Luck]]'' which proposed (at last) a "Bandit" class, for your Robin Hood needs. He should be right up Trotter's alley, as an outdoors burglar. [[Arcana Unearthed]] for outdoors-and-eldritch gave up on rangers, simply loading up with various shamans instead (and allowing the Vigilant).

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