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Role & Induction

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	Interestingly, and as the first section mentions, the Ravenwing appear to have undergone something of a retcon in the novel. In the 4E Dark Angels Codex they're characterised as the most stoic Dark Angels, and completely ignorant of the nature of their prey - we're told that all DAngles are trained to ignore the desperate lies of their enemies, and none more so than the Ravenwing.		Interestingly, and as the first section mentions, the Ravenwing appear to have undergone something of a retcon in the novel. In the 4E Dark Angels Codex they're characterised as the most stoic Dark Angels, and completely ignorant of the nature of their prey - we're told that all DAngles are trained to ignore the desperate lies of their enemies, and none more so than the Ravenwing.

	The Grand Masters of the Ravenwing are full inner circle members and are aware of the truth in it's entirety. The recent reforms of the [[Codex Astartes]] by Guilliman gave rise to the rank of Company Lieutenant at two per company, and the Ravenwing's two lieutenants are referred to as '''~~Strikemasters~~'''.		The Grand Masters of the Ravenwing are full inner circle members and are aware of the truth in it's entirety. The recent reforms of the [[Codex Astartes]] by Guilliman gave rise to the rank of Company Lieutenant at two per company, and the Ravenwing's two lieutenants are referred to as '''Talonmasters'''.

	==VS. White Scars==		==VS. White Scars==

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	Interestingly, and as the first section mentions, the Ravenwing appear to have undergone something of a retcon in the novel. In the 4E Dark Angels Codex they're characterised as the most stoic Dark Angels, and completely ignorant of the nature of their prey - we're told that all DAngles are trained to ignore the desperate lies of their enemies, and none more so than the Ravenwing.		Interestingly, and as the first section mentions, the Ravenwing appear to have undergone something of a retcon in the novel. In the 4E Dark Angels Codex they're characterised as the most stoic Dark Angels, and completely ignorant of the nature of their prey - we're told that all DAngles are trained to ignore the desperate lies of their enemies, and none more so than the Ravenwing.

			The Grand Masters of the Ravenwing are full inner circle members and are aware of the truth in it's entirety. The recent reforms of the [[Codex Astartes]] by Guilliman gave rise to the rank of Company Lieutenant at two per company, and the Ravenwing's two lieutenants are referred to as '''Strikemasters'''.

	==VS. White Scars==		==VS. White Scars==

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Role & Induction

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	Eventually, when members of the Ravenwing become promoted to the rank of '''Black Knight''' they become privy to the truth of the Fallen and what they represent, if perhaps not the entire truth of the betrayal of Luther. Whilst those from the chapter who have ''direct'' contact with the Fallen		Eventually, when members of the Ravenwing become promoted to the rank of '''Black Knight''' they become privy to the truth of the Fallen and what they represent, if perhaps not the entire truth of the betrayal of Luther. Whilst those from the chapter who have ''direct'' contact with the Fallen
	will be segregated into the [[Deathwing]] instead, acknowledging that it is [[PROMOTIONS\|not strictly a promotion to be proud of]]; rather it is now an [[Grimdark\|additional burden they must bear.]]		will be segregated into the [[Deathwing]] instead, acknowledging that it is [[PROMOTIONS\|not strictly a promotion to be proud of]]; rather it is now an [[Grimdark\|additional burden they must bear.]]

			Interestingly, and as the first section mentions, the Ravenwing appear to have undergone something of a retcon in the novel. In the 4E Dark Angels Codex they're characterised as the most stoic Dark Angels, and completely ignorant of the nature of their prey - we're told that all DAngles are trained to ignore the desperate lies of their enemies, and none more so than the Ravenwing.

	==VS. White Scars==		==VS. White Scars==

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	==History==		==History==
	The Ravenwing protocol originated from the early Legion's rapid moving search and destroy formations. These formations were revived and expanded upon as they offered a form of rapid strike warfare that the Knights of Caliban both understood and had perfected over many generations. They also act as the First Legion's infiltration, information gathering and espionage specialists. They also excelled in the use of mobile attacks, strike and fade tactics, skirmish warfare and orbital assault.		The Ravenwing protocol originated from the early Legion's rapid moving search and destroy formations. Hailing from the '''Host of Wind'''. These formations were revived and expanded upon as they offered a form of rapid strike warfare that the Knights of Caliban both understood and had perfected over many generations. They also act as the First Legion's infiltration, information gathering and espionage specialists. They also excelled in the use of mobile attacks, strike and fade tactics, skirmish warfare and orbital assault.

	==Company Composition: i.e: ALL the Bikes==		==Company Composition: i.e: ALL the Bikes==

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	File:Ravenwing.jpg\|See that? You seein' that? Mere words cannot describe it's awesomeness! That's what happens when the Ravenwing work with the [[Deathwing]]		File:Ravenwing.jpg\|See that? You seein' that? Mere words cannot describe it's awesomeness! That's what happens when the Ravenwing work with the [[Deathwing]]
	File:Ravenwing Co..jpg\|[[Meme\|THEN THE WINGED HUSSARS ARIVED!]]		File:Ravenwing Co..jpg\|[[Meme\|THEN THE WINGED HUSSARS ARIVED!]]

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	File:BikeSquad.jpg\|GW knows how to make those bad boys look [[awesome]], which they ~~most did~~ by stealing the wings off a ~~polish~~ Hussar, but still.		File:BikeSquad.jpg\|GW knows how to make those bad boys look [[awesome]], which they mostly by stealing the wings off a Polish Winged Hussar, but still.
	File:Ravenwing.jpg\|See that? You seein' that? Mere words cannot describe it's awesomeness! That's what happens when the Ravenwing work with the [[Deathwing]]		File:Ravenwing.jpg\|See that? You seein' that? Mere words cannot describe it's awesomeness! That's what happens when the Ravenwing work with the [[Deathwing]]
	File:Ravenwing Co..jpg\|[[Meme\|THEN THE WINGED HUSSARS ARIVED!]]		File:Ravenwing Co..jpg\|[[Meme\|THEN THE WINGED HUSSARS ARIVED!]]

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	==Notable Members==		==Notable Members==
	*[[Sammael]] - Current Grand Master of the [[Dark Angels]] chapter Ravenwing formation.		*[[Sammael]] - Current Grand Master of the [[Dark Angels]] chapter Ravenwing formation.
	*'''Aloceri''' - Voted-Lieutenant of the Ravenwing during the [[Horus Heresy]], a master of jetbike and speeder, as well as traditional horsemanship (one wonders how big the horse must be to accommodate an Astartes)		*'''Aloceri''' - Voted-Lieutenant of the Ravenwing during the [[Horus Heresy]], a master of jetbike and speeder, as well as traditional horsemanship [[Jaghatai Khan\|(one wonders how big the horse must be to accommodate an Astartes)]]

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	[[File:Ravenwing (1).jpg\|150px\|right\|thumb\|Ravenwing.]]		[[File:Ravenwing (1).jpg\|150px\|right\|thumb\|Ravenwing.]]
	The '''Ravenwing''' is the name used by [[Dark Angels]] and their successor chapters for their Second Company. While the Second Companies of [[Codex Astartes]]-compliant chapters are "Battle Companies" nominally consisting of six [[Tactical Squad]]s, two [[Assault Squad]]s and two [[Devastator Squad]]s, instead the Ravenwing specializes in using bikes, [[Land Speeder]]s and [[Nephilim Jetfighter\|aircraft]].		The '''Ravenwing''' is the name used by [[Dark Angels]] and their successor chapters for their Second Company. While the Second Companies of [[Codex Astartes]]-compliant chapters are "Battle Companies" nominally consisting of six [[Tactical Squad]]s, two [[Assault Squad]]s and two [[Devastator Squad]]s, instead the Ravenwing specializes in using bikes, [[Land Speeder]]s and [[Nephilim Jetfighter\|aircraft]].

	==History==		==History==
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	In the 7th edition update, all Ravenwing Aircraft and Land Speeder pilots (as well as all Bikers) are given the ability to reroll cover saves when jinking, so there is finally a bonus. The was already represented in the [[Deathwatch (RPG)]], where dedicated ravenwing pilots are at a slight advantage over nearly all other chapters pilots (including White Scars) with the ability to use evasive action more freely than others.		In the 7th edition update, all Ravenwing Aircraft and Land Speeder pilots (as well as all Bikers) are given the ability to reroll cover saves when jinking, so there is finally a bonus. The was already represented in the [[Deathwatch (RPG)]], where dedicated ravenwing pilots are at a slight advantage over nearly all other chapters pilots (including White Scars) with the ability to use evasive action more freely than others.

	In 8th edition the status of Ravenwing pilots has been rectified, and the Ravenwing Aircraft are quite good. The pilots are equal or better than their equivalent techmarine buddies in other chapters, mostly due to the Jink ability (while rarely used, is an option). Whether the aircraft themselves are 'better' than Codex aircraft is debatable and depends on what you intend to achieve.		In 8th edition the status of Ravenwing pilots has been rectified, and the Ravenwing Aircraft are quite good. The pilots are equal or better than their equivalent techmarine buddies in other chapters, mostly due to the Jink ability (while rarely used, is an option). Whether the aircraft themselves are 'better' than Codex aircraft is debatable and depends on what you intend to achieve.

	Also, this arrangement means that the Dark Angels can fill up to 100 aircraft with pilots, where other chapters are limited to the number of techmarines they have, and the Dark Angels can still repair a plane even if the pilot got blown to bits.		Also, this arrangement means that the Dark Angels can fill up to 100 aircraft with pilots, where other chapters are limited to the number of techmarines they have, and the Dark Angels can still repair a plane even if the pilot got blown to bits.

	==Role & Induction==		==Role & Induction==
	[[File:Ravenwing Biker.jpg\|thumb\|left\|300px\|thumb\|Surprise motherfucker!]]The Ravenwing, like the [[Deathwing]], is tasked with hunting the [[Fallen Angels]], though the Ravenwing know far less about their targets; as far as they know, the Fallen are simply heretics who happen to bear a grudge against the [[Dark Angels]], and enjoy spreading lies about the Chapter's history. When the Inner Circle expects to encounter lots of Fallen, they may deploy the Ravenwing and Deathwing together: the Ravenwing chase down the heretics, and then use their locator beacons to call down the Terminators.		[[File:Ravenwing Biker.jpg\|thumb\|left\|300px\|thumb\|Surprise motherfucker!]]The Ravenwing, like the [[Deathwing]], is tasked with hunting the [[Fallen Angels]], though the Ravenwing know far less about their targets; as far as they know, the Fallen are simply heretics who happen to bear a grudge against the [[Dark Angels]], and enjoy spreading lies about the Chapter's history. When the Inner Circle expects to encounter lots of Fallen, they may deploy the Ravenwing and Deathwing together: the Ravenwing chase down the heretics, and then use their locator beacons to call down the Terminators.

	They got fluffed up considerably in the aptly named "Ravenwing" novel by Gav Thorpe.		They got fluffed up considerably in the aptly named "Ravenwing" novel by Gav Thorpe.
	The members are inducted from the most curious space marines: in fact the protagonist of the story is simply transferred over for asking the seemingly innocent question of ''"how did the [[Lion El'Jonson\|Lion]] die?"''. Therefore clearly his ultimate fate is not a matter for casual discussion within the chapter so most of the common variety "green" Dark Angels obviously just accept what they are told off hand and don't bother thinking about it too deeply.		The members are inducted from the most curious space marines: in fact the protagonist of the story is simply transferred over for asking the seemingly innocent question of ''"how did the [[Lion El'Jonson\|Lion]] die?"''. Therefore clearly his ultimate fate is not a matter for casual discussion within the chapter so most of the common variety "green" Dark Angels obviously just accept what they are told off hand and don't bother thinking about it too deeply.

	In fact the Ravenwing is part of the mechanism that keeps the secret of the Fallen from within the chapter itself, racing ahead of the rest of the army and making certain that nobody gets exposed to uncomfortable truths that the Chaplains don't want to get out. Which is partially an unfortunate thing, as members of the Dark Angels will '''never''' be promoted to the higher ranks unless they can be trusted with the truth, which has far less to do with skill than it does with the personality of the marine in question. So some Dark Angels may be stuck in green armour no matter how competent they are as soldiers/warriors and might not quite realise why they aren't being "promoted" and get a bit resentful about how much freedom & glory that the Ravenwing/Deathwing are getting. But that's what the Inner Circle would prefer; the fewer who know the truth the better.		In fact the Ravenwing is part of the mechanism that keeps the secret of the Fallen from within the chapter itself, racing ahead of the rest of the army and making certain that nobody gets exposed to uncomfortable truths that the Chaplains don't want to get out. Which is partially an unfortunate thing, as members of the Dark Angels will '''never''' be promoted to the higher ranks unless they can be trusted with the truth, which has far less to do with skill than it does with the personality of the marine in question. So some Dark Angels may be stuck in green armour no matter how competent they are as soldiers/warriors and might not quite realise why they aren't being "promoted" and get a bit resentful about how much freedom & glory that the Ravenwing/Deathwing are getting. But that's what the Inner Circle would prefer; the fewer who know the truth the better.
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	==VS. White Scars==		==VS. White Scars==
	Theres currently a great deal of debate on whether or not [[White Scars]] are better than the Ravenwing. The crunch mirrors their fluff match up pretty well.		Theres currently a great deal of debate on whether or not [[White Scars]] are better than the Ravenwing. The crunch mirrors their fluff match up pretty well.

	Ravenwing are a smaller, more expensive and overall more niche force, whereas the White Scars are a far larger, individually cheaper force of uprated bikers. In terms of per-model costs and abilities White Scars are undoubtedly better, being able to spam far more bike models that are not only better rules wise but also cheaper. Thats only counting the basic bikers though, as the "Ravenwing" also encompasses the Chapter's land speeders and flyers, which benefit from the similar bonuses. Furthermore, Ravenwing's Black Knights are far better than any bike unit the Scars could field with the Vanilla codex and Sammael beats Khan in every way. DA can also take land speeder squadrons of 5 compared to the vanilla's 3. Further, Ravenwing also support the rest of their army better, such as being able to Scout forward and Outflank without the need for special characters, and carrying Teleport Homers to guide Terminator squads in. It really comes down to your preference.		Ravenwing are a smaller, more expensive and overall more niche force, whereas the White Scars are a far larger, individually cheaper force of uprated bikers. In terms of per-model costs and abilities White Scars are undoubtedly better, being able to spam far more bike models that are not only better rules wise but also cheaper. Thats only counting the basic bikers though, as the "Ravenwing" also encompasses the Chapter's land speeders and flyers, which benefit from the similar bonuses. Furthermore, Ravenwing's Black Knights are far better than any bike unit the Scars could field with the Vanilla codex and Sammael beats Khan in every way. DA can also take land speeder squadrons of 5 compared to the vanilla's 3. Further, Ravenwing also support the rest of their army better, such as being able to Scout forward and Outflank without the need for special characters, and carrying Teleport Homers to guide Terminator squads in. It really comes down to your preference.

	...and then both forces were updated in 2015. with Ravenwing getting ''[[Cheese\|rerollable Jink]]'' and overwatch at BS-2, base. This just gets cheesier as you add in the formation bonuses where Ravenwing boost each others ballistic skill or can overwatch for each other, then if taken as part of a Lion's Blade Strike Force they get upped to BS-normal with Land Speeders gaining ''[[Rape\|damn]] [[Tau\|Supporting Fire]]''. If taken as part of a Ravenwing Detachment instead they can turbo boost on turn one to get a "free" Jink on the enemy's next shooting phase, i.e. ''full Ballistic Skill on turn two!''. [[Deathwing]] Strike Forces also benefit from being deployed with Ravenwing by being able to choose to pass or fail reserve rolls when accompanied by certain formations (which also have the aforementioned Teleport Homers).		...and then both forces were updated in 2015. with Ravenwing getting ''[[Cheese\|rerollable Jink]]'' and overwatch at BS-2, base. This just gets cheesier as you add in the formation bonuses where Ravenwing boost each others ballistic skill or can overwatch for each other, then if taken as part of a Lion's Blade Strike Force they get upped to BS-normal with Land Speeders gaining ''[[Rape\|damn]] [[Tau\|Supporting Fire]]''. If taken as part of a Ravenwing Detachment instead they can turbo boost on turn one to get a "free" Jink on the enemy's next shooting phase, i.e. ''full Ballistic Skill on turn two!''. [[Deathwing]] Strike Forces also benefit from being deployed with Ravenwing by being able to choose to pass or fail reserve rolls when accompanied by certain formations (which also have the aforementioned Teleport Homers).

	What did the White Scars get? With the release of the new Kauyon supplement, which was later rolled into the Angels of Death supplement with the other non-ultramarine chapters, the White Scars have just received a Decurion-style detachment all to themselves. Now White Scars in this formation are arguably the fastest and most mobile space marine chapter in the game, and can again field an all biker army again with all the lovely bonuses that come with these new formation-detachments. The formations in this detachment are also brutal as well, with tons of fluffy formations and abilities that you cannot find in the regular Gladius Strike Force (while still allowing use of the formations available in the Gladius). However it lacks the free-transports ability (which is unfortunate) it more than makes up for it with abilities that benefit a fast moving hit-and-run army.		What did the White Scars get? With the release of the new Kauyon supplement, which was later rolled into the Angels of Death supplement with the other non-ultramarine chapters, the White Scars have just received a Decurion-style detachment all to themselves. Now White Scars in this formation are arguably the fastest and most mobile space marine chapter in the game, and can again field an all biker army again with all the lovely bonuses that come with these new formation-detachments. The formations in this detachment are also brutal as well, with tons of fluffy formations and abilities that you cannot find in the regular Gladius Strike Force (while still allowing use of the formations available in the Gladius). However it lacks the free-transports ability (which is unfortunate) it more than makes up for it with abilities that benefit a fast moving hit-and-run army.
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	File:BikeSquad.jpg\|GW knows how to make those bad boys look [[awesome]], which they did mostly by stealing the wings off a Polish Winged Hussar, but still.		File:BikeSquad.jpg\|GW knows how to make those bad boys look [[awesome]], which they did mostly by stealing the wings off a Polish Winged Hussar, but still.
	File:Ravenwing.jpg\|See that? You seein' that? Mere words cannot describe it's awesomeness! That's what happens when the Ravenwing work with the [[Deathwing]]		File:Ravenwing.jpg\|See that? You seein' that? Mere words cannot describe it's awesomeness! That's what happens when the Ravenwing work with the [[Deathwing]].
	File:Ravenwing Co..jpg\|[[Meme\|THEN THE WINGED HUSSARS ARIVED!]]		File:Ravenwing Co..jpg\|[[Meme\|THEN THE WINGED HUSSARS ARIVED!]]
	File:Black library ravenwing by faroldjo-d5f4cwd.jpg\|[[Grimdark\|The <s>last</s> jetbike in the Imperium... ]]if it wasn't a different pattern from Heresy-era Imperial jetbikes and it didn't appear thousands of years ''after'' the Horus Heresy... and that it magically pops up whenever it's been destroyed... Or you know, it may be a Bullock pattern's variant. it looks awfully similar, just saying.		File:Black library ravenwing by faroldjo-d5f4cwd.jpg\|[[Grimdark\|The <s>last</s> jetbike in the Imperium... ]]if it wasn't a different pattern from Heresy-era Imperial jetbikes and it didn't appear thousands of years ''after'' the Horus Heresy... and that it magically pops up whenever it's been destroyed... Or you know, it may be a Bullock pattern's variant. it looks awfully similar, just saying.