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</td></tr></table>imported>Administratorhttp://2d4chan.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Red_Talons_(Werewolf)&diff=400759&oldid=prev1d4chan>SpectralTime at 19:10, 3 September 20222022-09-03T19:10:27Z<p></p>
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</table>1d4chan>Ow, My Sanity.http://2d4chan.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Red_Talons_(Werewolf)&diff=400767&oldid=prev1d4chan>Ow, My Sanity. at 12:12, 25 February 20222022-02-25T12:12:34Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Seriously, that kind of sums up everything you need to know about the Red Talons. They hate humans and humanity, and they believe that Gaia can only be saved by annihilating or subjugating humans, who they view as a prey species that has been tricked into thinking itself a species of predator and is thusly an abomination against all that is good and natural. Hell, their entire motivation in [[Werewolf:_The_Apocalypse#A_Tribe_Falls| one of the endgame scenarios where they become outright antagonists]] amounts to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">blaming humanity for the Talons' willing fuckups and </del>deciding to genocide <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">them </del>rather than admit they were wrong.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Seriously, that kind of sums up everything you need to know about the Red Talons. They hate humans and humanity, and they believe that Gaia can only be saved by annihilating or subjugating humans, who they view as a prey species that has been tricked into thinking itself a species of predator and is thusly an abomination against all that is good and natural. Hell, their entire motivation in [[Werewolf:_The_Apocalypse#A_Tribe_Falls| one of the endgame scenarios where they become outright antagonists]] amounts to deciding to genocide <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">humanity </ins>rather than admit they were wrong <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">to break the Litany by hunting and eating people</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Unsurprisingly, this makes them the go-to authorial beatstick for [[White Wolf]] writers and [[edgy]] GMs who want a convenient mouthpiece to heavy-handedly rant at the audience about the Evils of Civilization<sup>'''TM'''</sup>; the same applies in reverse for the more violently anti-misanthropy side, where the Talons are held up as an example of everything that is wrong with the Garou and their methods. Outside of these extremes, they're a pretty common source of in-tribe villains and the occasional BBEG, since it's not too difficult to see one of them going off the deep end with hatred for humanity and falling to the Wyrm, or threatening to breach the Veil.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Unsurprisingly, this makes them the go-to authorial beatstick for [[White Wolf]] writers and [[edgy]] GMs who want a convenient mouthpiece to heavy-handedly rant at the audience about the Evils of Civilization<sup>'''TM'''</sup>; the same applies in reverse for the more violently anti-misanthropy side, where the Talons are held up as an example of everything that is wrong with the Garou and their methods. Outside of these extremes, they're a pretty common source of in-tribe villains and the occasional BBEG, since it's not too difficult to see one of them going off the deep end with hatred for humanity and falling to the Wyrm, or threatening to breach the Veil <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">as part of their hunting of humans</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>There are not that many Red Talons around, since they only accept Lupus into their ranks and those aren't exactly common. As a result, they only have a small number of camps:</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>There are not that many Red Talons around, since they only accept Lupus into their ranks and those aren't exactly common. As a result, they only have a small number of camps:</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''Dying Cubs:''' The extremists among extremists, who secretly practice rituals empowered by torturing and sacrificing humans in an effort to fight the Wyrm. Almost certainly doing more harm than good, considering it's implied that these rituals [[Fail|come from the Wyrm itself]] and ''always'' royally piss off the spirits of the land.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''Dying Cubs:''' The extremists among extremists, who secretly practice rituals empowered by torturing and sacrificing humans in an effort to fight the Wyrm. Almost certainly doing more harm than good, considering it's implied that these rituals [[Fail|come from the Wyrm itself]] and ''always'' royally piss off the spirits of the land.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''Whelp's Compromise:''' The rare Red Talons who think that their "kill all humans and reject all <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">human </del>civilization <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">schtick</del>" is a ''bit'' much. They call themselves the ''Anti-Extinction Faction'', and try to promote human conservation and education about the need to respect the wilderness, especially wolves. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Unsurprisingly</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">as they're closest thing </del>the Talons <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">have to [[This Guy]]</del>, the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">entire tribe hate them</del>.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''Whelp's Compromise:''' The rare Red Talons who think that their "kill all humans and reject all civilization" <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">shtick </ins>is a ''bit'' much. They call themselves the ''Anti-Extinction Faction'', and try to promote human conservation and education about the need to respect the wilderness, especially wolves. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Just in case the name didn't give it away</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the rest of </ins>the Talons <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">hate their guts</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">viewing them as cowards at </ins>the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">best of times and outright traitors at worst</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>One of the 13<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">(is) </del>[[werewolf]] tribes in [[Werewolf: The Apocalypse]], the '''Red Talons''' pull double duty as the Lupus (wolf-born werewolf) dominated faction and as the "genocidal anti-human faction".</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>One of the 13 [[werewolf]] tribes in [[Werewolf: The Apocalypse]], the '''Red Talons''' pull double duty as the Lupus (wolf-born werewolf) dominated faction and as <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[That Guy|</ins>the "genocidal anti-human faction"<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]]</ins>.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Seriously, that kind of sums up everything you need to know about the Red Talons. They hate humans and humanity, and they believe that Gaia can only be saved by annihilating or subjugating humans, who they view as a prey species that has been tricked into thinking itself a species of predator and is thusly an abomination against all that is good and natural. Hell, their entire motivation in [[Werewolf:_The_Apocalypse#A_Tribe_Falls| one of the endgame scenarios where they become outright antagonists]] amounts to blaming humanity for <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">their (</del>the Talons'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">) mistakes </del>and deciding to genocide them rather than admit they were wrong.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Seriously, that kind of sums up everything you need to know about the Red Talons. They hate humans and humanity, and they believe that Gaia can only be saved by annihilating or subjugating humans, who they view as a prey species that has been tricked into thinking itself a species of predator and is thusly an abomination against all that is good and natural. Hell, their entire motivation in [[Werewolf:_The_Apocalypse#A_Tribe_Falls| one of the endgame scenarios where they become outright antagonists]] amounts to blaming humanity for the Talons' <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">willing fuckups </ins>and deciding to genocide them rather than admit they were wrong.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Unsurprisingly, this makes them the go-to authorial beatstick for [[White Wolf]] writers and [[edgy]] GMs who want a convenient mouthpiece to heavy-handedly rant at the audience about the Evils of Civilization<sup>'''TM'''</sup>; the same applies in reverse for the more violently anti-misanthropy side, where the Talons are held up as an example of everything that is wrong with the Garou and their methods. Outside of these extremes, they're <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">actually </del>a pretty common source of in-tribe villains and the occasional BBEG.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Unsurprisingly, this makes them the go-to authorial beatstick for [[White Wolf]] writers and [[edgy]] GMs who want a convenient mouthpiece to heavy-handedly rant at the audience about the Evils of Civilization<sup>'''TM'''</sup>; the same applies in reverse for the more violently anti-misanthropy side, where the Talons are held up as an example of everything that is wrong with the Garou and their methods. Outside of these extremes, they're a pretty common source of in-tribe villains and the occasional BBEG<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, since it's not too difficult to see one of them going off the deep end with hatred for humanity and falling to the Wyrm, or threatening to breach the Veil</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>There are <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</del>not<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'' </del>that many Red Talons around, since they only accept Lupus into their ranks and those aren't exactly common. As a result, they only have a small number of <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">kukloi</del>:</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>There are not that many Red Talons around, since they only accept Lupus into their ranks and those aren't exactly common. As a result, they only have a small number of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">camps</ins>:</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''Predator Kings:''' The ones who want to wipe out all humans, '''now'''.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''Predator Kings:''' The ones who want to wipe out all humans, '''now'''.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''Dying Cubs:''' The extremists among extremists, who secretly practice rituals empowered by torturing and sacrificing humans in an effort to fight the Wyrm. Almost certainly doing more harm than good, considering it's implied that these rituals [[Fail|come from the Wyrm itself]] and ''always'' royally piss off the spirits of the land.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''Dying Cubs:''' The extremists among extremists, who secretly practice rituals empowered by torturing and sacrificing humans in an effort to fight the Wyrm. Almost certainly doing more harm than good, considering it's implied that these rituals [[Fail|come from the Wyrm itself]] and ''always'' royally piss off the spirits of the land.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''Whelp's Compromise:''' The rare Red Talons who think that their "kill all humans and reject all human civilization schtick" is a ''bit'' much. They call themselves the ''Anti-Extinction Faction'', and try to promote human conservation and education about the need to respect the wilderness, especially wolves. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Literally all of </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">other </del>Talons <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">hate their guts</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">just in case </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">name didn't get that across</del>.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''Whelp's Compromise:''' The rare Red Talons who think that their "kill all humans and reject all human civilization schtick" is a ''bit'' much. They call themselves the ''Anti-Extinction Faction'', and try to promote human conservation and education about the need to respect the wilderness, especially wolves. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Unsurprisingly, as they're closest thing </ins>the Talons <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">have to [[This Guy]]</ins>, the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">entire tribe hate them</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The Red Talons are generally considered the [[That Guy]] tribe amongst fans of ''Apocalypse'', courtesy of their incredible misanthropy (even by <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">oWoD </del>standards) and the difficulty of properly roleplaying one (<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">see the Lupus part </del>of <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the main W:TA for why</del>). If a player wants to play a Red Talon, you'll frequently save yourself a lot of trouble just booting them beforehand or pre-emptively banning Red Talon PCs from your game (unless they have a ''really'' good concept for a character, preferably one that isn't another "I'm rebelling against the evils of my race!" [[Drizzt]] knockoff). </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The Red Talons are generally considered the [[That Guy]] tribe amongst fans of ''Apocalypse'', courtesy of their incredible misanthropy (even by <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">OWoD </ins>standards<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, which is really saying something</ins>) and the difficulty of properly roleplaying one (<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">you're a genocidal asshole who refuses to learn "human" concepts, like time or most forms </ins>of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">socialization</ins>). If a player wants to play a Red Talon, you'll frequently save yourself a lot of trouble just booting them beforehand or pre-emptively banning Red Talon PCs from your game (unless they have a ''really'' good concept for a character, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and </ins>preferably one that isn't another <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[Alignment|Chaotic Good]] </ins>"I'm rebelling against the evils of my race!" <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Werewolf!</ins>[[Drizzt]] knockoff). </div></td></tr>
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</table>1d4chan>Ow, My Sanity.http://2d4chan.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Red_Talons_(Werewolf)&diff=400765&oldid=prev1d4chan>SpectralTime at 15:30, 25 January 20222022-01-25T15:30:15Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Seriously, that kind of sums up everything you need to know about the Red Talons. They hate humans and humanity, and they believe that Gaia can only be saved by annihilating or subjugating humans, who they view as a prey species that has been tricked into thinking itself a species of predator and is thusly an abomination against all that is good and natural. Hell, their entire motivation in [[Werewolf:_The_Apocalypse#A_Tribe_Falls one of the endgame scenarios where they become outright antagonists]] amounts to blaming humanity for their (the Talons') mistakes and deciding to genocide them rather than admit they were wrong.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Seriously, that kind of sums up everything you need to know about the Red Talons. They hate humans and humanity, and they believe that Gaia can only be saved by annihilating or subjugating humans, who they view as a prey species that has been tricked into thinking itself a species of predator and is thusly an abomination against all that is good and natural. Hell, their entire motivation in [[Werewolf:_The_Apocalypse#A_Tribe_Falls<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">| </ins>one of the endgame scenarios where they become outright antagonists]] amounts to blaming humanity for their (the Talons') mistakes and deciding to genocide them rather than admit they were wrong.</div></td></tr>
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</table>1d4chan>SpectralTimehttp://2d4chan.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Red_Talons_(Werewolf)&diff=400764&oldid=prev1d4chan>Ow, My Sanity. at 21:11, 24 January 20222022-01-24T21:11:16Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Seriously, that kind of sums up everything you need to know about the Red Talons. They hate humans and humanity, and they believe that Gaia can only be saved by annihilating or subjugating humans, who they view as a prey species that has been tricked into thinking itself a species of predator and is thusly an abomination against all that is good and natural.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Seriously, that kind of sums up everything you need to know about the Red Talons. They hate humans and humanity, and they believe that Gaia can only be saved by annihilating or subjugating humans, who they view as a prey species that has been tricked into thinking itself a species of predator and is thusly an abomination against all that is good and natural<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. Hell, their entire motivation in [[Werewolf:_The_Apocalypse#A_Tribe_Falls one of the endgame scenarios where they become outright antagonists]] amounts to blaming humanity for their (the Talons') mistakes and deciding to genocide them rather than admit they were wrong</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Unsurprisingly, this makes them the go-to beatstick for [[White Wolf]] writers and [[edgy]] GMs who want a convenient mouthpiece to heavy-handedly rant at the audience about the Evils of Civilization<sup>'''TM'''</sup>; the same applies in reverse for the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">less misanthropic </del>side, where the Talons are a common source of in-tribe villains and the occasional BBEG.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Unsurprisingly, this makes them the go-to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">authorial </ins>beatstick for [[White Wolf]] writers and [[edgy]] GMs who want a convenient mouthpiece to heavy-handedly rant at the audience about the Evils of Civilization<sup>'''TM'''</sup>; the same applies in reverse for the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">more violently anti-misanthropy </ins>side, where the Talons are <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">held up as an example of everything that is wrong with the Garou and their methods. Outside of these extremes, they're actually </ins>a <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">pretty </ins>common source of in-tribe villains and the occasional BBEG.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>There are ''not'' that many Red Talons around, since they only accept Lupus into their ranks and those aren't exactly common. As a result, they only have a small number of kukloi:</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>There are ''not'' that many Red Talons around, since they only accept Lupus into their ranks and those aren't exactly common. As a result, they only have a small number of kukloi:</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''Predator Kings:''' The ones who want to wipe out all humans, '''now'''.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''Predator Kings:''' The ones who want to wipe out all humans, '''now'''.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''Warders of the Land:''' The "moderates" who will kill any human who enters their territory, but won't go out looking for them.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''Warders of the Land:''' The "moderates" who will kill any human who enters their territory, but won't go out looking for them.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''Dying Cubs:''' The extremists among extremists, who secretly practice rituals empowered by torturing and sacrificing humans in an effort to fight the Wyrm. Almost certainly doing more harm than good, considering it's implied that these rituals [[Fail|<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">may or may not </del>come from the Wyrm itself]].</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''Dying Cubs:''' The extremists among extremists, who secretly practice rituals empowered by torturing and sacrificing humans in an effort to fight the Wyrm. Almost certainly doing more harm than good, considering it's implied that these rituals [[Fail|come from the Wyrm itself]] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and ''always'' royally piss off the spirits of the land</ins>.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''Whelp's Compromise:''' The rare Red Talons who think that their "kill all humans and reject all human civilization schtick" is a ''bit'' much. They call themselves the ''Anti-Extinction Faction'', and try to promote human conservation and education about the need to respect the wilderness, especially wolves. Literally all of the other Talons hate their guts <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and consider them weaklings without the stomach to do what supposedly "needs" to be done</del>, just in case the name didn't get that across.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''Whelp's Compromise:''' The rare Red Talons who think that their "kill all humans and reject all human civilization schtick" is a ''bit'' much. They call themselves the ''Anti-Extinction Faction'', and try to promote human conservation and education about the need to respect the wilderness, especially wolves. Literally all of the other Talons hate their guts, just in case the name didn't get that across.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The Red Talons are generally considered the [[That Guy]] tribe amongst fans of ''Apocalypse'', courtesy of their incredible misanthropy (even by oWoD standards) and the difficulty of properly roleplaying one (see the Lupus part of the main W:TA for why). If a player wants to play a Red Talon, you'll frequently save yourself a lot of trouble just booting them beforehand or pre-emptively banning Red Talon PCs from your game (unless they have a ''really'' good concept for a character, preferably one that isn't another "I'm rebelling against the evils of my race!" [[Drizzt]] knockoff). </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The Red Talons are generally considered the [[That Guy]] tribe amongst fans of ''Apocalypse'', courtesy of their incredible misanthropy (even by oWoD standards) and the difficulty of properly roleplaying one (see the Lupus part of the main W:TA for why). If a player wants to play a Red Talon, you'll frequently save yourself a lot of trouble just booting them beforehand or pre-emptively banning Red Talon PCs from your game (unless they have a ''really'' good concept for a character, preferably one that isn't another "I'm rebelling against the evils of my race!" [[Drizzt]] knockoff). </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>One of the 13(is) [[werewolf]] tribes in [[Werewolf: The Apocalypse]], the '''Red Talons''' pull double duty as the Lupus (wolf-born werewolf) dominated faction and as the "genocidal anti-human faction".</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>One of the 13(is) [[werewolf]] tribes in [[Werewolf: The Apocalypse]], the '''Red Talons''' pull double duty as the Lupus (wolf-born werewolf) dominated faction and as the "genocidal anti-human faction".</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Seriously, that kind of sums up everything you need to know about the Red Talons. They hate humans and humanity, and they believe that Gaia can only be saved by annihilating humans, who they view as a prey species that has been tricked into thinking itself a species of predator and is thusly an abomination against all that is good and natural.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Seriously, that kind of sums up everything you need to know about the Red Talons. They hate humans and humanity, and they believe that Gaia can only be saved by annihilating <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">or subjugating </ins>humans, who they view as a prey species that has been tricked into thinking itself a species of predator and is thusly an abomination against all that is good and natural.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>There are ''not'' that many Red Talons around, since they only accept Lupus into their ranks and those aren't exactly common. As a result, they only have a small number of <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">kulkoi</del>:</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Unsurprisingly, this makes them the go-to beatstick for [[White Wolf]] writers and [[edgy]] GMs who want a convenient mouthpiece to heavy-handedly rant at the audience about the Evils of Civilization<sup>'''TM'''</sup>; the same applies in reverse for the less misanthropic side, where the Talons are a common source of in-tribe villains and the occasional BBEG.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>There are ''not'' that many Red Talons around, since they only accept Lupus into their ranks and those aren't exactly common. As a result, they only have a small number of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">kukloi</ins>:</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''Predator Kings:''' The ones who want to wipe out all humans, '''now'''.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''Predator Kings:''' The ones who want to wipe out all humans, '''now'''.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''Warders of the Land:''' The "moderates" who will kill any human who enters their territory, but won't go out looking for them.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''Warders of the Land:''' The "moderates" who will kill any human who enters their territory, but won't go out looking for them.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''Dying Cubs:''' The extremists, who practice rituals empowered by torturing and sacrificing humans in an effort to fight the Wyrm. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Probably </del>doing more harm than good.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''Dying Cubs:''' The <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">extremists among </ins>extremists, who <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">secretly </ins>practice rituals empowered by torturing and sacrificing humans in an effort to fight the Wyrm. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Almost certainly </ins>doing more harm than good<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, considering it's implied that these rituals [[Fail|may or may not come from the Wyrm itself]]</ins>.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''Whelp's Compromise:''' The rare Red Talons who think "<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">hey, this </del>kill all humans and reject all human civilization schtick is a bit much<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"</del>. They call themselves the ''Anti-Extinction Faction'', and try to promote human conservation and education about the need to respect the wilderness, especially wolves.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''Whelp's Compromise:''' The rare Red Talons who think <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">that their </ins>"kill all humans and reject all human civilization schtick<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">" </ins>is a <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</ins>bit<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'' </ins>much. They call themselves the ''Anti-Extinction Faction'', and try to promote human conservation and education about the need to respect the wilderness, especially wolves. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Literally all of the other Talons hate their guts and consider them weaklings without the stomach to do what supposedly "needs" to be done, just in case the name didn't get that across.</ins></div></td></tr>
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