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	*Elune's power, goals and sphere of influence as a goddess.		*Elune's power, goals and sphere of influence as a goddess.
	** Originally she was a mystery with a lot of power, though once called "Azeroth's only true deity" even compared to the Titans and the Light. Then she was revealed to have power over every cosmic force, possibly being confirmed as the Warcraft universe's Creator God. Then she was reduced to being the Life equivalent of a Titan.		** Originally she was a mystery with a lot of power, though once called "Azeroth's only true deity" even compared to the Titans and the Light. Then she was revealed to have power over every cosmic force, possibly being confirmed as the Warcraft universe's Creator God. Then she was reduced to being the Life equivalent of a Titan.
	*The Worgen's nature and origins. From hellhounds to druid curse werewolves.		*The Worgen's nature and origins. From hellhounds fighting/fleeing demons on an alien planet to druid curse werewolves.
	*The origins of the Lich King, his sword and his helm. While a less sweeping change in the scope of the setting, this is one of the more hated retcons due to how much the Lich King character is beloved by the fanbase.		*The origins of the Lich King, his sword and his helm. While a less sweeping change in the scope of the setting, this is one of the more hated retcons due to how much the Lich King character is beloved by the fanbase.
	*The Light's morality and goals, or at least definitely the Naaru's.		*The Light's morality and goals, or at least definitely the Naaru's.

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Retcon is also usually tolerable when saying universally despised lore never actually happened.

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	In the world of /tg/, retcons usually stem from [[fluff]] that the writers and publishers decide isn't necessary or in the flavor of the setting it is being retconned from... or when a [[Matt Ward\|new writer decides that certain fluff doesn't fit with his ideas and conception of how things "ought to" be, without considering the universe he is screwing with first.]] Or when a [[Games Workshop\|company wants to make money on new models]] and decides to wreak havoc on [[Necrons\|their pre-established setting]] and [[Primaris_Space_Marines\|their history and timeline]] to do so. Or both.		In the world of /tg/, retcons usually stem from [[fluff]] that the writers and publishers decide isn't necessary or in the flavor of the setting it is being retconned from... or when a [[Matt Ward\|new writer decides that certain fluff doesn't fit with his ideas and conception of how things "ought to" be, without considering the universe he is screwing with first.]] Or when a [[Games Workshop\|company wants to make money on new models]] and decides to wreak havoc on [[Necrons\|their pre-established setting]] and [[Primaris_Space_Marines\|their history and timeline]] to do so. Or both.

	Retcon is tolerable when the "newly unearthed" lore has no way of affecting the lore already established. Here, [[WGR3: Rary the Traitor]]'s excavation of Sulm in the Bright Desert: before then, nobody gave a shit about the Bright Desert, so didn't mind that Anthony Pryor had made said space-filling wasteland (marginally) interesting. (''That'' module had some ''serious problems''; but the retcon wasn't one of them.)		Retcon is tolerable when the "newly unearthed" lore has no way of affecting the lore already established. Here, [[WGR3: Rary the Traitor]]'s excavation of Sulm in the Bright Desert: before then, nobody gave a shit about the Bright Desert, so didn't mind that Anthony Pryor had made said space-filling wasteland (marginally) interesting. (''That'' module had some ''serious problems''; but the retcon wasn't one of them.) It is also usually tolerable when saying universally despised lore never actually happened.

	When done wrong a retcon removes depth and character from the setting. That setting's fans will conclude that the people controlling the source material are incompetent, abusive to the universe and (worst of all) make good things die. They have [[rape]]d the good goddess [[Mimesis]].		When done wrong a retcon removes depth and character from the setting. That setting's fans will conclude that the people controlling the source material are incompetent, abusive to the universe and (worst of all) make good things die. They have [[rape]]d the good goddess [[Mimesis]].

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	*The origins of the Lich King, his sword and his helm. While a less sweeping change in the scope of the setting, this is one of the more hated retcons due to how much the Lich King character is beloved by the fanbase.		*The origins of the Lich King, his sword and his helm. While a less sweeping change in the scope of the setting, this is one of the more hated retcons due to how much the Lich King character is beloved by the fanbase.
	*The Light's morality and goals, or at least definitely the Naaru's.		*The Light's morality and goals, or at least definitely the Naaru's.
	** This is one of the big retcons, as ~~the Light~~ went from a fundamental force of hope and creation to punching ~~bag~~ in yet another "order/fanaticism bad" story for WoW. Starting with the most powerful Naaru encountered ~~thus far~~ being a jobber for Illidan. While better received initially partly because the Naaru are less popular than the Lich King or Illidan, the change has since become increasingly divisive with hindsight.		** This is one of the big retcons, as they went from a fundamental force of hope and creation to punching bags in yet another "order/fanaticism bad" story for WoW. Starting with the most powerful Naaru encountered being a jobber for Illidan. While better received initially partly because the Naaru are less popular than the Lich King or Illidan, the change has since become increasingly divisive with hindsight.
	*The morality of the Titans.		*The morality of the Titans.
	**Another big change, but less controversial because it was done in a more subtle way than the ham-fisted approach used on the Naaru.		**Another big change, but less controversial because it was done in a more subtle way than the ham-fisted approach used on the Naaru.
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	*The nature of undeath (repeatedly), particularly whether it makes you evil or not and how that happens.		*The nature of undeath (repeatedly), particularly whether it makes you evil or not and how that happens.
	*How the Shadowlands and afterlives work.		*How the Shadowlands and afterlives work.
	** This is another of the big ones, and probably the most unpopular change. The Shadowlands went from a gray version of the mortal world and domain of the loa to what we see in the expansion of the same name, with various afterlives connected by a portal network centered in a floating city and the literal Hell of the Warcraft universe being a giant black hole. What's more, various rulers of the afterlife were retconned into the backstory of major factions and characters in Warcraft, chief among them the Lich King.		** This is another of the big ones, and probably the most unpopular change. The Shadowlands went from a gray version of the mortal world and domain of the loa to what we see in the expansion of the same name, with various afterlives connected by a portal network centered in a floating city and the literal Hell of the Warcraft universe being a giant black hole. What's more, various rulers of the afterlife were retconned into the backstory of major factions and characters in Warcraft, chief among them the Lich King (see above).
	*The origins of the Well of Eternity.		*The origins of the Well of Eternity.
	*The Deflias Brotherhood conflict.		*The Deflias Brotherhood conflict.

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	===In [[Warcraft]], including [[World of Warcraft]]===		===In [[Warcraft]], including [[World of Warcraft]]===
	*'''Nearly everything'''		*'''Nearly everything, that is ''NOT'' an exageration.''' This is what happens when you turn a great RTS series into an incredible MMO but the staff quality declines over time.

	Notable characters, places, events or forces retconned:		Notable characters, places, events or forces retconned:

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			{{topquote\|Everything you know is wrong<br>Black is white, up is down and short is long<br>And everything you thought was just so<br>Important doesn't matter<br>Everything you know is wrong<br>Just forget the words and sing along<br>All you need to understand is<br>Everything you know is wrong\|Weird Al}}

	'''Retcons''', a portmanteau of "retroactive continuity", are what make [[Neckbeard]]s [[rage]] the most. Where continuity changes in the form of [[metaplot]] are hamhanded enough, retcons go the full Orwell in telling readers ''the whole past was wrong''.		'''Retcons''', a portmanteau of "retroactive continuity", are what make [[Neckbeard]]s [[rage]] the most. Where continuity changes in the form of [[metaplot]] are hamhanded enough, retcons go the full Orwell in telling readers ''the whole past was wrong''.

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In Star Wars

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	Notables Rendered Unto Non-Existence:		Notables Rendered Unto Non-Existence:
	*Kyle Katarn (and by extension also Jan Ors, his love interest, as well both his disciples Jaden Korr and Rosh Penin). Notable for being a ''double'' retcon, since his opening act, ''Dark Forces'', wasn't canon at release.		*Kyle Katarn (and by extension also Jan Ors, his love interest, as well both his disciples Jaden Korr and Rosh Penin). Notable for being a ''double'' retcon, since his opening act, ''Dark Forces'', wasn't canon at release.
	*Mara Jade (and by extension the concept of "Hands of the Emperor" all of Luke's descendants, starting with their son Ben Skywalker).		*Mara Jade (and by extension the concept of "Hands of the Emperor" plus all of Luke's descendants, starting with their son Ben Skywalker).
	*Revan		*Revan
	*Meetra Surik (aka the Jedi Exile)		*Meetra Surik (aka the Jedi Exile)
	*Durge as an ancient, near-unkillable alien bounty hunter.		*Durge as an ancient, near-unkillable alien bounty hunter.
	*~~Darth Vitiate~~		*The KOTOR and SWTOR plotlines and everyone involved.
	**By extension, everyone involved in the KOTOR and SWTOR ~~plotline~~. Most notably HK-47, Bastille Shan and Mission Vao.		**Most notably Darth Vitiate, HK-47, Bastille Shan and Mission Vao.
	*Darth Talon		*Darth Talon
	*Galen Marek / Starkiller (though it can be argued if The Force Unleashed was entirely canon to begin with, LucasArts explicitly noted gameplay mechanics are not canon even before the Legends continuity was separated, and the TFU story was later given through a comic book)		*Galen Marek / Starkiller (though it can be argued if The Force Unleashed was entirely canon to begin with, LucasArts explicitly noted gameplay mechanics are not canon even before the Legends continuity was separated, and the TFU story was later given through a comic book)
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	*Canderous Ordo		*Canderous Ordo
	*Nomi Sunrider		*Nomi Sunrider
	*Satele Shan
	*Dash Rendar (Dubiously. His ship sorta gets a cameo in the remaster of ''A New Hope'')		*Dash Rendar (Dubiously. His ship sorta gets a cameo in the remaster of ''A New Hope'')
	*Ysalamiri (Dubiously. Thrawn has statues of them in ''Rebels'')		*Ysalamiri (Dubiously. Thrawn has statues of them in ''Rebels'')
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	**Some ancient Sith Lords who make up 99% of the aforementioned awesomeness.		**Some ancient Sith Lords who make up 99% of the aforementioned awesomeness.
	*Luke Skywalker's awesomeness.		*Luke Skywalker's awesomeness.
	**Actually, Luke Skywalker not being a loser who almost murdered his 15 year old nephew who desperately needed help for literally no reason but the Dark Side tempting him. Legends Luke forgave his nephew for becoming Darth Caedus even he'd murdered Luke's wife (said nephew went through so much shit it is arguably more justified than even Anakin's fall). Guy had a genuinely understanding compassion.		**Actually, Luke Skywalker not being a loser who almost murdered his 15 year old nephew who desperately needed help for literally no reason but the Dark Side tempting him. Legends Luke forgave his nephew for becoming Darth Caedus even after he murdered Luke's wife (said nephew went through so much shit it is arguably more justified than even Anakin's fall). Guy had a genuinely understanding compassion.
	*Gilad Pellaeon		*Gilad Pellaeon
	*About 75% of Thrawn's awesomeness, the 25% left is him ~~being~~ the only interesting non-~~Jedi~~ Rebels character.		*About 75% of Thrawn's awesomeness, the 25% left made him the only interesting non-Force-using Rebels character.
	*Most of the history and lore around the Noghri race (though Thrawn's Noghri bodyguard Rukh appeared, he was killed off in Rebels).		*Most of the history and lore around the Noghri race (though Thrawn's Noghri bodyguard Rukh appeared, he was killed off in Rebels).
	*The eventual peace between the New Republic and the Empire.		*The eventual peace between the New Republic and the Empire.

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	*The Eredar/[[Draenei]]'s origins and nature.		*The Eredar/[[Draenei]]'s origins and nature.
	*Elune's power, goals and sphere of influence as a goddess.		*Elune's power, goals and sphere of influence as a goddess.
	** Originally she was a mystery, ~~then~~ revealed to have power over every cosmic force, possibly ~~even~~ being the Warcraft universe's Creator God. Then she ~~seems~~ reduced to being the Life equivalent of a Titan.		** Originally she was a mystery with a lot of power, though once called "Azeroth's only true deity" even compared to the Titans and the Light. Then she was revealed to have power over every cosmic force, possibly being confirmed as the Warcraft universe's Creator God. Then she was reduced to being the Life equivalent of a Titan.
	*The Worgen's nature and origins. From hellhounds to druid curse werewolves.		*The Worgen's nature and origins. From hellhounds to druid curse werewolves.
	*The origins of the Lich King, his sword and his helm. While a less sweeping change in the scope of the setting, this is one of the more hated retcons due to how much the Lich King character is beloved by the fanbase.		*The origins of the Lich King, his sword and his helm. While a less sweeping change in the scope of the setting, this is one of the more hated retcons due to how much the Lich King character is beloved by the fanbase.
	*The Light's morality and goals, or at least definitely the Naaru's.		*The Light's morality and goals, or at least definitely the Naaru's.
	** This is one of the big ~~ones~~, as ~~originally~~ the Light ~~was one of the~~ fundamental ~~forces~~ of creation ~~and the Naaru its hope bringing agents..~~. with ~~[[edgy\|the hoary old fanatic story arc]] shoe-horned in, starting with making~~ the most powerful Naaru encountered thus far Illidan~~'s cheerleader then punching bag/jobber~~. While ~~this was~~ better received initially ~~partially~~ because the Naaru are ~~not fan-favorites like~~ the Lich King, ~~but~~ the change has since become increasingly divisive with hindsight.		** This is one of the big retcons, as the Light went from a fundamental force of hope and creation to punching bag in yet another "order/fanaticism bad" story for WoW. Starting with the most powerful Naaru encountered thus far being a jobber for Illidan. While better received initially partly because the Naaru are less popular than the Lich King or Illidan, the change has since become increasingly divisive with hindsight.
	*The morality of the Titans.		*The morality of the Titans.
	**Another big change, but less controversial because it was done in a more subtle way than the ham-fisted approach used on the Naaru.		**Another big change, but less controversial because it was done in a more subtle way than the ham-fisted approach used on the Naaru.
	*The power level of the Old Gods, who flip-flopped from universe-ending parasites to lovecraftian monsters but getting literally crushed in the palm of a Titan's hand.		*The power level of the Old Gods, who flip-flopped from universe-ending parasites to lovecraftian monsters but getting literally crushed in the palm of a Titan's hand.
	*Whether the Orcs were aggressive and bloodthirsty before or after the Burning Legion's influence. Which got downplayed whenever the devs and marketing department wanted to shill the Orcs.		*Whether the Orcs were aggressive and bloodthirsty before or after the Burning Legion's influence. Which got downplayed whenever the devs and marketing department wanted to shill the Orcs.
	*The nature of undeath (repeatedly), ~~particular~~ whether it makes you evil or not and how that happens.		*The nature of undeath (repeatedly), particularly whether it makes you evil or not and how that happens.
	*How the Shadowlands and afterlives work.		*How the Shadowlands and afterlives work.
	** This is another of the big ones, as the Shadowlands went from a gray version of the mortal world and domain of the loa to what we see in the expansion of the same name, with various afterlives connected by a portal network centered in a floating city and the literal Hell of the Warcraft universe being a giant black hole.		** This is another of the big ones, and probably the most unpopular change. The Shadowlands went from a gray version of the mortal world and domain of the loa to what we see in the expansion of the same name, with various afterlives connected by a portal network centered in a floating city and the literal Hell of the Warcraft universe being a giant black hole. What's more, various rulers of the afterlife were retconned into the backstory of major factions and characters in Warcraft, chief among them the Lich King.
	*The origins of the Well of Eternity.		*The origins of the Well of Eternity.
	*The Deflias Brotherhood conflict.		*The Deflias Brotherhood conflict.