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	Guilliman hasn't seen too much chance since last edition, and he's just a solid pick that excels at most things while buffing his army with ''Prenatural Strategy.'' He's an okay Primarch, but he's fucking expensive, so keep that in mind when you're building an army around him.		Guilliman hasn't seen too much chance since last edition, and he's just a solid pick that excels at most things while buffing his army with ''Prenatural Strategy.'' He's an okay Primarch, but he's fucking expensive, so keep that in mind when you're building an army around him. He’s a leader, not a beatstick like [[Abaddon_the_Despoiler\|Abaddon]].

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	This edition, Guilliman has gained 2 extra attacks (technically 3 since he has two specialist weapons), though he's seen a significant point cost hike.		This edition, Guilliman has gained 2 extra attacks (technically 3 since he has two specialist weapons), though he's seen a significant point cost hike.
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	Yes, Guilliman literally has the most basic Primarch statline in the game.		Yes, Guilliman literally has the most basic Primarch statline in the game.

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	Guilliman is also interesting because he is one of the only primarchs that explicitly ''failed'' at doing something prior to the [[Horus Heresy]] and the events that preceded it, and grew beyond that mistake as a person. Specifically, he was unable to prevent his foster father Konor Guilliman from being killed while he was away on campaign. Part of growing up involves realizing that you aren't the center of the universe and that you can't always have things go your way, and in most people this manifests through repeated failures and disappointments in life. Most of the primarchs, however, faced little to no difficulties or setbacks in uniting their homeworld or during the [[Great Crusade]] due to the sheer power and charisma they possessed, and as a result they basically went through life on easy mode. This caused most of the primarchs to grow up to be spoiled, entitled manchildren. Sometimes [[Magnus the Red\|spoiled sweet]], but [[Perturabo\|spoiled nevertheless]]. A couple of them did have quite [[Konrad Curze\|alot of difficulty]] and [[Angron\|circumstances]] would prevent them from being able to learn.		Guilliman is also interesting because he is one of the only primarchs that explicitly ''failed'' at doing something prior to the [[Horus Heresy]] and the events that preceded it, and grew beyond that mistake as a person. Specifically, he was unable to prevent his foster father Konor Guilliman from being killed while he was away on campaign. Part of growing up involves realizing that you aren't the center of the universe and that you can't always have things go your way, and in most people this manifests through repeated failures and disappointments in life. Most of the primarchs, however, faced little to no difficulties or setbacks in uniting their homeworld or during the [[Great Crusade]] due to the sheer power and charisma they possessed, and as a result they basically went through life on easy mode. This caused most of the primarchs to grow up to be spoiled, entitled manchildren. Sometimes [[Magnus the Red\|spoiled sweet]], but [[Perturabo\|spoiled nevertheless]]. A couple of them did have quite [[Konrad Curze\|alot of difficulty]] and [[Angron\|circumstances]] would prevent them from being able to learn.

	As a result, when things didn’t go their way, [[Lion El'Jonson\|whether]] that be the [[Ferrus Manus\|betrayal]] of a [[Luther\|close]] [[Fulgrim\|friend]], [[Sanguinius\|an inability]] [[Corvus Corax\|to save]] [[Mortarion\|their sons]], [[Lorgar\|being told “no”]] by someone [[Council of Nikaea\|who actually had the power]] to make the decree stick, [[Magnus the Red\|causing irreparable damage]] to something that couldn’t be taken back, confronted with the fact that [[Konrad Curze\|their methods were not working]], [[Perturabo\|the rebellion of their homeworld]], or perhaps most notably [[Leman Russ\|the inability to]] [[Rogal Dorn\|save their father]], it absolutely broke them. [[Angron]] and [[Mortarion]] both failed at conquering their homeworlds, but in both cases the Emperor stepped in at the last second and saved ~~the~~. For Mortarion, this lingering sense of “what if” and caused both to shift the blame to the Emperor for his problems, rather than forcing a moment of introspection. [[Fulgrim]] is notably one of the only primarchs to never experience personal failure during the [[Horus Heresy]], and as a result he was ''still'' a spoiled manchild after becoming a [[Daemon Prince\|Daemon Primarch]] until Ancient Rylanor denied him, which is explicitly noted as a huge blow to his pride. Angron is arguably the only one who's lack of introspection can be explained by the horrific fact his brain was so horribly scarred by the Nails he is unable to do that or ~~eally~~ do anything but be filled with rage.		As a result, when things didn’t go their way, [[Lion El'Jonson\|whether]] that be the [[Ferrus Manus\|betrayal]] of a [[Luther\|close]] [[Fulgrim\|friend]], [[Sanguinius\|an inability]] [[Corvus Corax\|to save]] [[Mortarion\|their sons]], [[Lorgar\|being told “no”]] by someone [[Council of Nikaea\|who actually had the power]] to make the decree stick, [[Magnus the Red\|causing irreparable damage]] to something that couldn’t be taken back, confronted with the fact that [[Konrad Curze\|their methods were not working]], [[Perturabo\|the rebellion of their homeworld]], or perhaps most notably [[Leman Russ\|the inability to]] [[Rogal Dorn\|save their father]], it absolutely broke them. [[Angron]] and [[Mortarion]] both failed at conquering their homeworlds, but in both cases the Emperor stepped in at the last second and saved them. For Mortarion, this lingering sense of “what if” and caused both to shift the blame to the Emperor for his problems, rather than forcing a moment of introspection. [[Fulgrim]] is notably one of the only primarchs to never experience personal failure during the [[Horus Heresy]], and as a result he was ''still'' a spoiled manchild after becoming a [[Daemon Prince\|Daemon Primarch]] until Ancient Rylanor denied him, which is explicitly noted as a huge blow to his pride. Angron is arguably the only one who's lack of introspection can be explained by the horrific fact his brain was so horribly scarred by the Nails he is unable to do that or really do anything but be filled with rage.

	Guilliman blamed ''himself'' for not being present to prevent the death of Konor, not the Emperor or some external foe. This gives Guilliman a sense of humility and pragmatism that the other primarchs lacked. This can be seen in how Guilliman set a trap for the [[High Lords of Terra]] by allowing them to orchestrate a coup, using the exact same strategy that was used to kill Konor. Papa Smurf learns from his mistakes. Not to mention how he was the only primarch with his eye on the long term during the [[Great Scouring]]; the effectiveness of the [[Codex Astartes]] may be debatable but at least Guilliman was thinking about the future rather than focused on [[Rogal Dorn\|immediate]] [[Jaghatai Khan\|vengeance]] or [[Leman Russ\|drowning in]] [[Corvus Corax\|self-pity]], this wasn't the first time Guilliman lost a father. While Guilliman may be less colorful than the other primarchs, he is definitely more mature, and he is probably one of the few loyalist primarchs to understand while he may be a superhuman demigod, he isn’t all powerful.		Guilliman blamed ''himself'' for not being present to prevent the death of Konor, not the Emperor or some external foe. This gives Guilliman a sense of humility and pragmatism that the other primarchs lacked. This can be seen in how Guilliman set a trap for the [[High Lords of Terra]] by allowing them to orchestrate a coup, using the exact same strategy that was used to kill Konor. Papa Smurf learns from his mistakes. Not to mention how he was the only primarch with his eye on the long term during the [[Great Scouring]]; the effectiveness of the [[Codex Astartes]] may be debatable but at least Guilliman was thinking about the future rather than focused on [[Rogal Dorn\|immediate]] [[Jaghatai Khan\|vengeance]] or [[Leman Russ\|drowning in]] [[Corvus Corax\|self-pity]], this wasn't the first time Guilliman lost a father. While Guilliman may be less colorful than the other primarchs, he is definitely more mature, and he is probably one of the few loyalist primarchs to understand while he may be a superhuman demigod, he isn’t all powerful.

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	Guilliman is also interesting because he is one of the only primarchs that explicitly ''failed'' at doing something prior to the [[Horus Heresy]] and the events that preceded it, and grew beyond that mistake as a person. Specifically, he was unable to prevent his foster father Konor Guilliman from being killed while he was away on campaign. Part of growing up involves realizing that you aren't the center of the universe and that you can't always have things go your way, and in most people this manifests through repeated failures and disappointments in life. Most of the primarchs, however, faced little to no difficulties or setbacks in uniting their homeworld or during the [[Great Crusade]] due to the sheer power and charisma they possessed, and as a result they basically went through life on easy mode. This caused most of the primarchs to grow up to be spoiled, entitled manchildren. Sometimes [[Magnus the Red\|spoiled sweet]], but [[Perturabo\|spoiled nevertheless]]. A couple of them did have quite [[Konrad Curze\|alot of difficulty]] and [[Angron\|circumstances]] would prevent them from being able to learn.		Guilliman is also interesting because he is one of the only primarchs that explicitly ''failed'' at doing something prior to the [[Horus Heresy]] and the events that preceded it, and grew beyond that mistake as a person. Specifically, he was unable to prevent his foster father Konor Guilliman from being killed while he was away on campaign. Part of growing up involves realizing that you aren't the center of the universe and that you can't always have things go your way, and in most people this manifests through repeated failures and disappointments in life. Most of the primarchs, however, faced little to no difficulties or setbacks in uniting their homeworld or during the [[Great Crusade]] due to the sheer power and charisma they possessed, and as a result they basically went through life on easy mode. This caused most of the primarchs to grow up to be spoiled, entitled manchildren. Sometimes [[Magnus the Red\|spoiled sweet]], but [[Perturabo\|spoiled nevertheless]]. A couple of them did have quite [[Konrad Curze\|alot of difficulty]] and [[Angron\|circumstances]] would prevent them from being able to learn.

	As a result, when things didn’t go their way, [[Lion El'Jonson\|whether]] that be the [[Ferrus Manus\|betrayal]] of a [[Luther\|close]] [[Fulgrim\|friend]], [[Sanguinius\|an inability]] [[Corvus Corax\|to save]] [[Mortarion\|their sons]], [[Lorgar\|being told “no”]] by someone [[Council of Nikaea\|who actually had the power]] to make the decree stick, [[Magnus the Red\|causing irreparable damage]] to something that couldn’t be taken back, confronted with the fact that [[Konrad Curze\|their methods were not working]], [[Perturabo\|the rebellion of their homeworld]], or perhaps most notably [[Leman Russ\|the inability to]] [[Rogal Dorn\|save their father]], it absolutely broke them. [[Angron]] and [[Mortarion]] both failed at conquering their homeworlds, but in both cases the Emperor stepped in at the last second and saved ~~them~~, ~~which created a~~ lingering sense of “what if” and caused both to shift the blame to the Emperor for ~~their~~ problems, rather than forcing a moment of introspection. [[Fulgrim]] is notably one of the only primarchs to never experience personal failure during the [[Horus Heresy]], and as a result he was ''still'' a spoiled manchild after becoming a [[Daemon Prince\|Daemon Primarch]] until Ancient Rylanor denied him, which is explicitly noted as a huge blow to his pride.		As a result, when things didn’t go their way, [[Lion El'Jonson\|whether]] that be the [[Ferrus Manus\|betrayal]] of a [[Luther\|close]] [[Fulgrim\|friend]], [[Sanguinius\|an inability]] [[Corvus Corax\|to save]] [[Mortarion\|their sons]], [[Lorgar\|being told “no”]] by someone [[Council of Nikaea\|who actually had the power]] to make the decree stick, [[Magnus the Red\|causing irreparable damage]] to something that couldn’t be taken back, confronted with the fact that [[Konrad Curze\|their methods were not working]], [[Perturabo\|the rebellion of their homeworld]], or perhaps most notably [[Leman Russ\|the inability to]] [[Rogal Dorn\|save their father]], it absolutely broke them. [[Angron]] and [[Mortarion]] both failed at conquering their homeworlds, but in both cases the Emperor stepped in at the last second and saved the. For Mortarion, this lingering sense of “what if” and caused both to shift the blame to the Emperor for his problems, rather than forcing a moment of introspection. [[Fulgrim]] is notably one of the only primarchs to never experience personal failure during the [[Horus Heresy]], and as a result he was ''still'' a spoiled manchild after becoming a [[Daemon Prince\|Daemon Primarch]] until Ancient Rylanor denied him, which is explicitly noted as a huge blow to his pride. Angron is arguably the only one who's lack of introspection can be explained by the horrific fact his brain was so horribly scarred by the Nails he is unable to do that or eally do anything but be filled with rage.

	Guilliman blamed ''himself'' for not being present to prevent the death of Konor, not the Emperor or some external foe. This gives Guilliman a sense of humility and pragmatism that the other primarchs lacked. This can be seen in how Guilliman set a trap for the [[High Lords of Terra]] by allowing them to orchestrate a coup, using the exact same strategy that was used to kill Konor. Papa Smurf learns from his mistakes. Not to mention how he was the only primarch with his eye on the long term during the [[Great Scouring]]; the effectiveness of the [[Codex Astartes]] may be debatable but at least Guilliman was thinking about the future rather than focused on [[Rogal Dorn\|immediate]] [[Jaghatai Khan\|vengeance]] or [[Leman Russ\|drowning in]] [[Corvus Corax\|self-pity]], this wasn't the first time Guilliman lost a father. While Guilliman may be less colorful than the other primarchs, he is definitely more mature, and he is probably one of the few loyalist primarchs to understand while he may be a superhuman demigod, he isn’t all powerful.		Guilliman blamed ''himself'' for not being present to prevent the death of Konor, not the Emperor or some external foe. This gives Guilliman a sense of humility and pragmatism that the other primarchs lacked. This can be seen in how Guilliman set a trap for the [[High Lords of Terra]] by allowing them to orchestrate a coup, using the exact same strategy that was used to kill Konor. Papa Smurf learns from his mistakes. Not to mention how he was the only primarch with his eye on the long term during the [[Great Scouring]]; the effectiveness of the [[Codex Astartes]] may be debatable but at least Guilliman was thinking about the future rather than focused on [[Rogal Dorn\|immediate]] [[Jaghatai Khan\|vengeance]] or [[Leman Russ\|drowning in]] [[Corvus Corax\|self-pity]], this wasn't the first time Guilliman lost a father. While Guilliman may be less colorful than the other primarchs, he is definitely more mature, and he is probably one of the few loyalist primarchs to understand while he may be a superhuman demigod, he isn’t all powerful.

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	Guilliman is also interesting because he is one of the only primarchs that explicitly ''failed'' at doing something prior to the [[Horus Heresy]] and the events that preceded it, and grew beyond that mistake as a person. Specifically, he was unable to prevent his foster father Konor Guilliman from being killed while he was away on campaign. Part of growing up involves realizing that you aren't the center of the universe and that you can't always have things go your way, and in most people this manifests through repeated failures and disappointments in life. Most of the primarchs, however, faced little to no difficulties or setbacks in uniting their homeworld or during the [[Great Crusade]] due to the sheer power and charisma they possessed, and as a result they basically went through life on easy mode. This caused most of the primarchs to grow up to be spoiled, entitled manchildren. Sometimes [[Magnus the Red\|spoiled sweet]], but [[Perturabo\|spoiled nevertheless]]. A couple of them did have quite alot of difficulty and [[Angron\|circumstances]] would prevent ~~[[Konrad Curze\|~~them~~]] from growing and learning~~ from ~~their mistakes~~.		Guilliman is also interesting because he is one of the only primarchs that explicitly ''failed'' at doing something prior to the [[Horus Heresy]] and the events that preceded it, and grew beyond that mistake as a person. Specifically, he was unable to prevent his foster father Konor Guilliman from being killed while he was away on campaign. Part of growing up involves realizing that you aren't the center of the universe and that you can't always have things go your way, and in most people this manifests through repeated failures and disappointments in life. Most of the primarchs, however, faced little to no difficulties or setbacks in uniting their homeworld or during the [[Great Crusade]] due to the sheer power and charisma they possessed, and as a result they basically went through life on easy mode. This caused most of the primarchs to grow up to be spoiled, entitled manchildren. Sometimes [[Magnus the Red\|spoiled sweet]], but [[Perturabo\|spoiled nevertheless]]. A couple of them did have quite [[Konrad Curze\|alot of difficulty]] and [[Angron\|circumstances]] would prevent them from being able to learn.

	As a result, when things didn’t go their way, [[Lion El'Jonson\|whether]] that be the [[Ferrus Manus\|betrayal]] of a [[Luther\|close]] [[Fulgrim\|friend]], [[Sanguinius\|an inability]] [[Corvus Corax\|to save]] [[Mortarion\|their sons]], [[Lorgar\|being told “no”]] by someone [[Council of Nikaea\|who actually had the power]] to make the decree stick, [[Magnus the Red\|causing irreparable damage]] to something that couldn’t be taken back, confronted with the fact that [[Konrad Curze\|their methods were not working]], [[Perturabo\|the rebellion of their homeworld]], or perhaps most notably [[Leman Russ\|the inability to]] [[Rogal Dorn\|save their father]], it absolutely broke them. [[Angron]] and [[Mortarion]] both failed at conquering their homeworlds, but in both cases the Emperor stepped in at the last second and saved them, which created a lingering sense of “what if” and caused both to shift the blame to the Emperor for their problems, rather than forcing a moment of introspection. [[Fulgrim]] is notably one of the only primarchs to never experience personal failure during the [[Horus Heresy]], and as a result he was ''still'' a spoiled manchild after becoming a [[Daemon Prince\|Daemon Primarch]] until Ancient Rylanor denied him, which is explicitly noted as a huge blow to his pride.		As a result, when things didn’t go their way, [[Lion El'Jonson\|whether]] that be the [[Ferrus Manus\|betrayal]] of a [[Luther\|close]] [[Fulgrim\|friend]], [[Sanguinius\|an inability]] [[Corvus Corax\|to save]] [[Mortarion\|their sons]], [[Lorgar\|being told “no”]] by someone [[Council of Nikaea\|who actually had the power]] to make the decree stick, [[Magnus the Red\|causing irreparable damage]] to something that couldn’t be taken back, confronted with the fact that [[Konrad Curze\|their methods were not working]], [[Perturabo\|the rebellion of their homeworld]], or perhaps most notably [[Leman Russ\|the inability to]] [[Rogal Dorn\|save their father]], it absolutely broke them. [[Angron]] and [[Mortarion]] both failed at conquering their homeworlds, but in both cases the Emperor stepped in at the last second and saved them, which created a lingering sense of “what if” and caused both to shift the blame to the Emperor for their problems, rather than forcing a moment of introspection. [[Fulgrim]] is notably one of the only primarchs to never experience personal failure during the [[Horus Heresy]], and as a result he was ''still'' a spoiled manchild after becoming a [[Daemon Prince\|Daemon Primarch]] until Ancient Rylanor denied him, which is explicitly noted as a huge blow to his pride.

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	Guilliman is also interesting because he is one of the only primarchs that explicitly ''failed'' at doing something prior to the [[Horus Heresy]] and the events that preceded it, and grew beyond that mistake as a person. Specifically, he was unable to prevent his foster father Konor Guilliman from being killed while he was away on campaign. Part of growing up involves realizing that you aren't the center of the universe and that you can't always have things go your way, and in most people this manifests through repeated failures and disappointments in life. Most of the primarchs, however, faced little to no difficulties or setbacks in uniting their homeworld or during the [[Great Crusade]] due to the sheer power and charisma they possessed, and as a result they basically went through life on easy mode. This caused most of the primarchs to grow up to be spoiled, entitled manchildren. Sometimes [[Magnus the Red\|spoiled sweet]], but [[Perturabo\|spoiled nevertheless]].		Guilliman is also interesting because he is one of the only primarchs that explicitly ''failed'' at doing something prior to the [[Horus Heresy]] and the events that preceded it, and grew beyond that mistake as a person. Specifically, he was unable to prevent his foster father Konor Guilliman from being killed while he was away on campaign. Part of growing up involves realizing that you aren't the center of the universe and that you can't always have things go your way, and in most people this manifests through repeated failures and disappointments in life. Most of the primarchs, however, faced little to no difficulties or setbacks in uniting their homeworld or during the [[Great Crusade]] due to the sheer power and charisma they possessed, and as a result they basically went through life on easy mode. This caused most of the primarchs to grow up to be spoiled, entitled manchildren. Sometimes [[Magnus the Red\|spoiled sweet]], but [[Perturabo\|spoiled nevertheless]]. A couple of them did have quite alot of difficulty and [[Angron\|circumstances]] would prevent [[Konrad Curze\|them]] from growing and learning from their mistakes.

	As a result, when things didn’t go their way, [[Lion El'Jonson\|whether]] that be the [[Ferrus Manus\|betrayal]] of a [[Luther\|close]] [[Fulgrim\|friend]], [[Sanguinius\|an inability]] [[Corvus Corax\|to save]] [[Mortarion\|their sons]], [[Lorgar\|being told “no”]] by someone [[Council of Nikaea\|who actually had the power]] to make the decree stick, [[Magnus the Red\|causing irreparable damage]] to something that couldn’t be taken back, confronted with the fact that [[Konrad Curze\|their methods were not working]], [[Perturabo\|the rebellion of their homeworld]], or perhaps most notably [[Leman Russ\|the inability to]] [[Rogal Dorn\|save their father]], it absolutely broke them. [[Angron]] and [[Mortarion]] both failed at conquering their homeworlds, but in both cases the Emperor stepped in at the last second and saved them, which created a lingering sense of “what if” and caused both to shift the blame to the Emperor for their problems, rather than forcing a moment of introspection. [[Fulgrim]] is notably one of the only primarchs to never experience personal failure during the [[Horus Heresy]], and as a result he was ''still'' a spoiled manchild after becoming a [[Daemon Prince\|Daemon Primarch]] until Ancient Rylanor denied him, which is explicitly noted as a huge blow to his pride.		As a result, when things didn’t go their way, [[Lion El'Jonson\|whether]] that be the [[Ferrus Manus\|betrayal]] of a [[Luther\|close]] [[Fulgrim\|friend]], [[Sanguinius\|an inability]] [[Corvus Corax\|to save]] [[Mortarion\|their sons]], [[Lorgar\|being told “no”]] by someone [[Council of Nikaea\|who actually had the power]] to make the decree stick, [[Magnus the Red\|causing irreparable damage]] to something that couldn’t be taken back, confronted with the fact that [[Konrad Curze\|their methods were not working]], [[Perturabo\|the rebellion of their homeworld]], or perhaps most notably [[Leman Russ\|the inability to]] [[Rogal Dorn\|save their father]], it absolutely broke them. [[Angron]] and [[Mortarion]] both failed at conquering their homeworlds, but in both cases the Emperor stepped in at the last second and saved them, which created a lingering sense of “what if” and caused both to shift the blame to the Emperor for their problems, rather than forcing a moment of introspection. [[Fulgrim]] is notably one of the only primarchs to never experience personal failure during the [[Horus Heresy]], and as a result he was ''still'' a spoiled manchild after becoming a [[Daemon Prince\|Daemon Primarch]] until Ancient Rylanor denied him, which is explicitly noted as a huge blow to his pride.

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	Oh yeah, and Big Blue Wonder is fucking [[Rage\|<u>'''LIVID'''</u>]] with what the Ecclesiarchy has done during the conflict (sending a group of Sisters of Battle to free a possible Living Saint against Guilliman's orders and killing several loyalists in the process; granted, it did save Guilliman's life but that doesn't change the fact that their actions were still treasonous, never mind the fact that he was uncertain as to whether or not the Saint was actually being empowered by Tzeentch), and making his handpicked militant-priest to promptly [[Slaanesh\|shit/jizz himself in fear/awe at the possibility of being killed by a son of the Emperor.]] He also seems to be becoming more prone to outbursts of rage, something that caught even a Custodes by surprise as such a trait was unexpected from Guilliman, but perhaps it's unsurprising given all the shit he's been through lately.		Oh yeah, and Big Blue Wonder is fucking [[Rage\|<u>'''LIVID'''</u>]] with what the Ecclesiarchy has done during the conflict (sending a group of Sisters of Battle to free a possible Living Saint against Guilliman's orders and killing several loyalists in the process; granted, it did save Guilliman's life but that doesn't change the fact that their actions were still treasonous, never mind the fact that he was uncertain as to whether or not the Saint was actually being empowered by Tzeentch), and making his handpicked militant-priest to promptly [[Slaanesh\|shit/jizz himself in fear/awe at the possibility of being killed by a son of the Emperor.]] He also seems to be becoming more prone to outbursts of rage, something that caught even a Custodes by surprise as such a trait was unexpected from Guilliman, but perhaps it's unsurprising given all the shit he's been through lately.
			[[File:A3pq7y9hz9391.jpg\|400px\|right\|thumb\|Guilliman's natural default state in the 42nd Millennium. Ruling a galaxy is hard man.]]

	Following that little incident and a bout of introspection on his part, he's started to wonder if maybe Lorgar and the Ecclesiarchy were right about the Emperor's divinity, and has chosen to start reading that old copy of [[Lectitio Divinitatus]] to learn whether it might have a grain of truth in it. With the reveal in Godblight again, any fan theories that Robot Gorillaman would be influenced by Lorgar's fan-fic was thrown out of the window. Turns out, Roboute is an actual adult with a functional brain and proceeded to find the evident flaws in Lorgar's tract and then invite a [[Librarian]] and an [[Eldar]] [[Farseer]] by the name of [[Illiyan Nastase]] (YES. [[Lolwut\|''That guy''.]] Who somehow [[Retcon\|re-retconned himself]] back into existence), to have a legitimately intriguing chat on the nature of godhood and whether or not the Emprah fits the definition of one.		Following that little incident and a bout of introspection on his part, he's started to wonder if maybe Lorgar and the Ecclesiarchy were right about the Emperor's divinity, and has chosen to start reading that old copy of [[Lectitio Divinitatus]] to learn whether it might have a grain of truth in it. With the reveal in Godblight again, any fan theories that Robot Gorillaman would be influenced by Lorgar's fan-fic was thrown out of the window. Turns out, Roboute is an actual adult with a functional brain and proceeded to find the evident flaws in Lorgar's tract and then invite a [[Librarian]] and an [[Eldar]] [[Farseer]] by the name of [[Illiyan Nastase]] (YES. [[Lolwut\|''That guy''.]] Who somehow [[Retcon\|re-retconned himself]] back into existence), to have a legitimately intriguing chat on the nature of godhood and whether or not the Emprah fits the definition of one.

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	Guilliman is also interesting because he is one of the only primarchs that explicitly ''failed'' at doing something prior to the [[Horus Heresy]] and the events that preceded it, and grew beyond that mistake as a person. Specifically, he was unable to prevent his foster father Konor Guilliman from being killed while he was away on campaign. Part of growing up involves realizing that you aren't the center of the universe and that you can't always have things go your way, and in most people this manifests through repeated failures and disappointments in life. Most of the primarchs, however, faced little to no difficulties or setbacks in uniting their homeworld or during the [[Great Crusade]] due to the sheer power and charisma they possessed, and as a result they basically went through life on easy mode. This caused most of the primarchs to grow up to be spoiled, entitled manchildren. Sometimes [[Magnus the Red\|spoiled sweet]], but [[Perturabo\|spoiled nevertheless]]. A couple of them did have quite [[Konrad Curze\|alot of difficulty]] and [[Angron\|circumstances]] would prevent them from being able to learn.		Guilliman is also interesting because he is one of the only primarchs that explicitly ''failed'' at doing something prior to the [[Horus Heresy]] and the events that preceded it, and grew beyond that mistake as a person. Specifically, he was unable to prevent his foster father Konor Guilliman from being killed while he was away on campaign. Part of growing up involves realizing that you aren't the center of the universe and that you can't always have things go your way, and in most people this manifests through repeated failures and disappointments in life. Most of the primarchs, however, faced little to no difficulties or setbacks in uniting their homeworld or during the [[Great Crusade]] due to the sheer power and charisma they possessed, and as a result they basically went through life on easy mode. This caused most of the primarchs to grow up to be spoiled, entitled manchildren. Sometimes [[Magnus the Red\|spoiled sweet]], but [[Perturabo\|spoiled nevertheless]]. A couple of them did have quite [[Konrad Curze\|alot of difficulty]] and [[Angron\|circumstances]] would prevent them from being able to learn.

	As a result, when things didn’t go their way, [[Lion El'Jonson\|whether]] that be the [[Ferrus Manus\|betrayal]] of a [[Luther\|close]] [[Fulgrim\|friend]], [[Sanguinius\|an inability]] [[Corvus Corax\|to save]] [[Mortarion\|their sons]], [[Lorgar\|being told “no”]] by someone [[Council of Nikaea\|who actually had the power]] to make the decree stick, [[Magnus the Red\|causing irreparable damage]] to something that couldn’t be taken back, confronted with the fact that [[Konrad Curze\|their methods were not working]], [[Perturabo\|the rebellion of their homeworld]], or perhaps most notably [[Leman Russ\|the inability to]] [[Rogal Dorn\|save their father]], it absolutely broke them. [[Angron]] and [[Mortarion]] both failed at conquering their homeworlds, but in both cases the Emperor stepped in at the last second and saved ~~the~~. For Mortarion, this lingering sense of “what if” and caused both to shift the blame to the Emperor for his problems, rather than forcing a moment of introspection. [[Fulgrim]] is notably one of the only primarchs to never experience personal failure during the [[Horus Heresy]], and as a result he was ''still'' a spoiled manchild after becoming a [[Daemon Prince\|Daemon Primarch]] until Ancient Rylanor denied him, which is explicitly noted as a huge blow to his pride. Angron is arguably the only one who's lack of introspection can be explained by the horrific fact his brain was so horribly scarred by the Nails he is unable to do that or ~~eally~~ do anything but be filled with rage.		As a result, when things didn’t go their way, [[Lion El'Jonson\|whether]] that be the [[Ferrus Manus\|betrayal]] of a [[Luther\|close]] [[Fulgrim\|friend]], [[Sanguinius\|an inability]] [[Corvus Corax\|to save]] [[Mortarion\|their sons]], [[Lorgar\|being told “no”]] by someone [[Council of Nikaea\|who actually had the power]] to make the decree stick, [[Magnus the Red\|causing irreparable damage]] to something that couldn’t be taken back, confronted with the fact that [[Konrad Curze\|their methods were not working]], [[Perturabo\|the rebellion of their homeworld]], or perhaps most notably [[Leman Russ\|the inability to]] [[Rogal Dorn\|save their father]], it absolutely broke them. [[Angron]] and [[Mortarion]] both failed at conquering their homeworlds, but in both cases the Emperor stepped in at the last second and saved them. For Mortarion, this lingering sense of “what if” and caused both to shift the blame to the Emperor for his problems, rather than forcing a moment of introspection. [[Fulgrim]] is notably one of the only primarchs to never experience personal failure during the [[Horus Heresy]], and as a result he was ''still'' a spoiled manchild after becoming a [[Daemon Prince\|Daemon Primarch]] until Ancient Rylanor denied him, which is explicitly noted as a huge blow to his pride. Angron is arguably the only one who's lack of introspection can be explained by the horrific fact his brain was so horribly scarred by the Nails he is unable to do that or really do anything but be filled with rage.

	Guilliman blamed ''himself'' for not being present to prevent the death of Konor, not the Emperor or some external foe. This gives Guilliman a sense of humility and pragmatism that the other primarchs lacked. This can be seen in how Guilliman set a trap for the [[High Lords of Terra]] by allowing them to orchestrate a coup, using the exact same strategy that was used to kill Konor. Papa Smurf learns from his mistakes. Not to mention how he was the only primarch with his eye on the long term during the [[Great Scouring]]; the effectiveness of the [[Codex Astartes]] may be debatable but at least Guilliman was thinking about the future rather than focused on [[Rogal Dorn\|immediate]] [[Jaghatai Khan\|vengeance]] or [[Leman Russ\|drowning in]] [[Corvus Corax\|self-pity]], this wasn't the first time Guilliman lost a father. While Guilliman may be less colorful than the other primarchs, he is definitely more mature, and he is probably one of the few loyalist primarchs to understand while he may be a superhuman demigod, he isn’t all powerful.		Guilliman blamed ''himself'' for not being present to prevent the death of Konor, not the Emperor or some external foe. This gives Guilliman a sense of humility and pragmatism that the other primarchs lacked. This can be seen in how Guilliman set a trap for the [[High Lords of Terra]] by allowing them to orchestrate a coup, using the exact same strategy that was used to kill Konor. Papa Smurf learns from his mistakes. Not to mention how he was the only primarch with his eye on the long term during the [[Great Scouring]]; the effectiveness of the [[Codex Astartes]] may be debatable but at least Guilliman was thinking about the future rather than focused on [[Rogal Dorn\|immediate]] [[Jaghatai Khan\|vengeance]] or [[Leman Russ\|drowning in]] [[Corvus Corax\|self-pity]], this wasn't the first time Guilliman lost a father. While Guilliman may be less colorful than the other primarchs, he is definitely more mature, and he is probably one of the few loyalist primarchs to understand while he may be a superhuman demigod, he isn’t all powerful.

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	Guilliman is also interesting because he is one of the only primarchs that explicitly ''failed'' at doing something prior to the [[Horus Heresy]] and the events that preceded it, and grew beyond that mistake as a person. Specifically, he was unable to prevent his foster father Konor Guilliman from being killed while he was away on campaign. Part of growing up involves realizing that you aren't the center of the universe and that you can't always have things go your way, and in most people this manifests through repeated failures and disappointments in life. Most of the primarchs, however, faced little to no difficulties or setbacks in uniting their homeworld or during the [[Great Crusade]] due to the sheer power and charisma they possessed, and as a result they basically went through life on easy mode. This caused most of the primarchs to grow up to be spoiled, entitled manchildren. Sometimes [[Magnus the Red\|spoiled sweet]], but [[Perturabo\|spoiled nevertheless]]. A couple of them did have quite [[Konrad Curze\|alot of difficulty]] and [[Angron\|circumstances]] would prevent them from being able to learn.		Guilliman is also interesting because he is one of the only primarchs that explicitly ''failed'' at doing something prior to the [[Horus Heresy]] and the events that preceded it, and grew beyond that mistake as a person. Specifically, he was unable to prevent his foster father Konor Guilliman from being killed while he was away on campaign. Part of growing up involves realizing that you aren't the center of the universe and that you can't always have things go your way, and in most people this manifests through repeated failures and disappointments in life. Most of the primarchs, however, faced little to no difficulties or setbacks in uniting their homeworld or during the [[Great Crusade]] due to the sheer power and charisma they possessed, and as a result they basically went through life on easy mode. This caused most of the primarchs to grow up to be spoiled, entitled manchildren. Sometimes [[Magnus the Red\|spoiled sweet]], but [[Perturabo\|spoiled nevertheless]]. A couple of them did have quite [[Konrad Curze\|alot of difficulty]] and [[Angron\|circumstances]] would prevent them from being able to learn.

	As a result, when things didn’t go their way, [[Lion El'Jonson\|whether]] that be the [[Ferrus Manus\|betrayal]] of a [[Luther\|close]] [[Fulgrim\|friend]], [[Sanguinius\|an inability]] [[Corvus Corax\|to save]] [[Mortarion\|their sons]], [[Lorgar\|being told “no”]] by someone [[Council of Nikaea\|who actually had the power]] to make the decree stick, [[Magnus the Red\|causing irreparable damage]] to something that couldn’t be taken back, confronted with the fact that [[Konrad Curze\|their methods were not working]], [[Perturabo\|the rebellion of their homeworld]], or perhaps most notably [[Leman Russ\|the inability to]] [[Rogal Dorn\|save their father]], it absolutely broke them. [[Angron]] and [[Mortarion]] both failed at conquering their homeworlds, but in both cases the Emperor stepped in at the last second and saved ~~them~~, ~~which created a~~ lingering sense of “what if” and caused both to shift the blame to the Emperor for ~~their~~ problems, rather than forcing a moment of introspection. [[Fulgrim]] is notably one of the only primarchs to never experience personal failure during the [[Horus Heresy]], and as a result he was ''still'' a spoiled manchild after becoming a [[Daemon Prince\|Daemon Primarch]] until Ancient Rylanor denied him, which is explicitly noted as a huge blow to his pride.		As a result, when things didn’t go their way, [[Lion El'Jonson\|whether]] that be the [[Ferrus Manus\|betrayal]] of a [[Luther\|close]] [[Fulgrim\|friend]], [[Sanguinius\|an inability]] [[Corvus Corax\|to save]] [[Mortarion\|their sons]], [[Lorgar\|being told “no”]] by someone [[Council of Nikaea\|who actually had the power]] to make the decree stick, [[Magnus the Red\|causing irreparable damage]] to something that couldn’t be taken back, confronted with the fact that [[Konrad Curze\|their methods were not working]], [[Perturabo\|the rebellion of their homeworld]], or perhaps most notably [[Leman Russ\|the inability to]] [[Rogal Dorn\|save their father]], it absolutely broke them. [[Angron]] and [[Mortarion]] both failed at conquering their homeworlds, but in both cases the Emperor stepped in at the last second and saved the. For Mortarion, this lingering sense of “what if” and caused both to shift the blame to the Emperor for his problems, rather than forcing a moment of introspection. [[Fulgrim]] is notably one of the only primarchs to never experience personal failure during the [[Horus Heresy]], and as a result he was ''still'' a spoiled manchild after becoming a [[Daemon Prince\|Daemon Primarch]] until Ancient Rylanor denied him, which is explicitly noted as a huge blow to his pride. Angron is arguably the only one who's lack of introspection can be explained by the horrific fact his brain was so horribly scarred by the Nails he is unable to do that or eally do anything but be filled with rage.

	Guilliman blamed ''himself'' for not being present to prevent the death of Konor, not the Emperor or some external foe. This gives Guilliman a sense of humility and pragmatism that the other primarchs lacked. This can be seen in how Guilliman set a trap for the [[High Lords of Terra]] by allowing them to orchestrate a coup, using the exact same strategy that was used to kill Konor. Papa Smurf learns from his mistakes. Not to mention how he was the only primarch with his eye on the long term during the [[Great Scouring]]; the effectiveness of the [[Codex Astartes]] may be debatable but at least Guilliman was thinking about the future rather than focused on [[Rogal Dorn\|immediate]] [[Jaghatai Khan\|vengeance]] or [[Leman Russ\|drowning in]] [[Corvus Corax\|self-pity]], this wasn't the first time Guilliman lost a father. While Guilliman may be less colorful than the other primarchs, he is definitely more mature, and he is probably one of the few loyalist primarchs to understand while he may be a superhuman demigod, he isn’t all powerful.		Guilliman blamed ''himself'' for not being present to prevent the death of Konor, not the Emperor or some external foe. This gives Guilliman a sense of humility and pragmatism that the other primarchs lacked. This can be seen in how Guilliman set a trap for the [[High Lords of Terra]] by allowing them to orchestrate a coup, using the exact same strategy that was used to kill Konor. Papa Smurf learns from his mistakes. Not to mention how he was the only primarch with his eye on the long term during the [[Great Scouring]]; the effectiveness of the [[Codex Astartes]] may be debatable but at least Guilliman was thinking about the future rather than focused on [[Rogal Dorn\|immediate]] [[Jaghatai Khan\|vengeance]] or [[Leman Russ\|drowning in]] [[Corvus Corax\|self-pity]], this wasn't the first time Guilliman lost a father. While Guilliman may be less colorful than the other primarchs, he is definitely more mature, and he is probably one of the few loyalist primarchs to understand while he may be a superhuman demigod, he isn’t all powerful.

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	Oh yeah, and Big Blue Wonder is fucking [[Rage\|<u>'''LIVID'''</u>]] with what the Ecclesiarchy has done during the conflict (sending a group of Sisters of Battle to free a possible Living Saint against Guilliman's orders and killing several loyalists in the process; granted, it did save Guilliman's life but that doesn't change the fact that their actions were still treasonous, never mind the fact that he was uncertain as to whether or not the Saint was actually being empowered by Tzeentch), and making his handpicked militant-priest to promptly [[Slaanesh\|shit/jizz himself in fear/awe at the possibility of being killed by a son of the Emperor.]] He also seems to be becoming more prone to outbursts of rage, something that caught even a Custodes by surprise as such a trait was unexpected from Guilliman, but perhaps it's unsurprising given all the shit he's been through lately.		Oh yeah, and Big Blue Wonder is fucking [[Rage\|<u>'''LIVID'''</u>]] with what the Ecclesiarchy has done during the conflict (sending a group of Sisters of Battle to free a possible Living Saint against Guilliman's orders and killing several loyalists in the process; granted, it did save Guilliman's life but that doesn't change the fact that their actions were still treasonous, never mind the fact that he was uncertain as to whether or not the Saint was actually being empowered by Tzeentch), and making his handpicked militant-priest to promptly [[Slaanesh\|shit/jizz himself in fear/awe at the possibility of being killed by a son of the Emperor.]] He also seems to be becoming more prone to outbursts of rage, something that caught even a Custodes by surprise as such a trait was unexpected from Guilliman, but perhaps it's unsurprising given all the shit he's been through lately.
			[[File:A3pq7y9hz9391.jpg\|400px\|right\|thumb\|Guilliman's natural default state in the 42nd Millennium. Ruling a galaxy is hard man.]]

	Following that little incident and a bout of introspection on his part, he's started to wonder if maybe Lorgar and the Ecclesiarchy were right about the Emperor's divinity, and has chosen to start reading that old copy of [[Lectitio Divinitatus]] to learn whether it might have a grain of truth in it. With the reveal in Godblight again, any fan theories that Robot Gorillaman would be influenced by Lorgar's fan-fic was thrown out of the window. Turns out, Roboute is an actual adult with a functional brain and proceeded to find the evident flaws in Lorgar's tract and then invite a [[Librarian]] and an [[Eldar]] [[Farseer]] by the name of [[Illiyan Nastase]] (YES. [[Lolwut\|''That guy''.]] Who somehow [[Retcon\|re-retconned himself]] back into existence), to have a legitimately intriguing chat on the nature of godhood and whether or not the Emprah fits the definition of one.		Following that little incident and a bout of introspection on his part, he's started to wonder if maybe Lorgar and the Ecclesiarchy were right about the Emperor's divinity, and has chosen to start reading that old copy of [[Lectitio Divinitatus]] to learn whether it might have a grain of truth in it. With the reveal in Godblight again, any fan theories that Robot Gorillaman would be influenced by Lorgar's fan-fic was thrown out of the window. Turns out, Roboute is an actual adult with a functional brain and proceeded to find the evident flaws in Lorgar's tract and then invite a [[Librarian]] and an [[Eldar]] [[Farseer]] by the name of [[Illiyan Nastase]] (YES. [[Lolwut\|''That guy''.]] Who somehow [[Retcon\|re-retconned himself]] back into existence), to have a legitimately intriguing chat on the nature of godhood and whether or not the Emprah fits the definition of one.