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	*''[[Dungeon Crawl]]''		*''[[Dungeon Crawl]]''
	:Severely fun roguelike, occasionally quite imbalanced, with an insane set of classes, races, and gods. Also has one of the most diverse dungeon environments. The ''Stone Soup'' version has a kickass tileset, an improved mouse-optional interface, more classes, more races, more gods, and more of generally everything. /tg/'s preferred roguelike. ~~Sadly, in recent years it has been on~~ the ~~decline, gutting itself with each successive update~~.		:Severely fun roguelike, occasionally quite imbalanced, with an insane set of classes, races, and gods. Also has one of the most diverse dungeon environments. The ''Stone Soup'' version has a kickass tileset, an improved mouse-optional interface, more classes, more races, more gods, and more of generally everything. /tg/'s preferred roguelike. It is actively updated by the community.

	*''[http://drl.chaosforge.org/ DoomRL]''		*''[http://drl.chaosforge.org/ DoomRL]''

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	*''[http://dos-ragnarok.wikia.com/wiki/Ragnarok_/_Valhalla_Wiki Ragnarok/Valhalla]''		*''[http://dos-ragnarok.wikia.com/wiki/Ragnarok_/_Valhalla_Wiki Ragnarok/Valhalla]''
	:Harder than hard. As its name indicates, based ~~completely~~ on the Ragnarok event of Norse Mythology. You are an adventurer starting at his abandoned village and needs to win Ragnarok which will start around 20000 turns. The solution to winning the mythic war is ~~inhumanly~~ difficult and laden with WTFuckery levels of ~~monster combat~~ and ~~insane logics~~. Everything, and anything in game can and will kill you; for this the game lets you backup saves 200 turns separated from each. Virtually unwinnable without at least one savescumming and/or guide. Amongst 171 different common monsters in game, more than half have a (~~mostly~~ preventable ~~but still...~~) instadeath effect; the others upon contact will permanently maim you so hard you might as well quit unless you have specific cure items on demand, or even destroy your inventory with acid even if you are immune to it. And that's not counting unique daemons who ignore every immunity and even manage to steal your immunities and adding to themselves while pumping out your clones out of an alternate universe to kill you. Have fun.		:Harder than hard. As its name indicates, based loosely on the Ragnarok event of Norse Mythology. You are an adventurer starting at his abandoned village and needs to win Ragnarok which will start around 20000 turns. The solution to winning the mythic war is very difficult and laden with WTFuckery levels of logic and hidden solutions known as "Guide Dang It". Everything, and anything in game can and will kill you; for this the game lets you backup saves 200 turns separated from each without mocking savescumming. Virtually unwinnable without at least one savescumming and/or guide to even traverse through the World Tree's realms. Amongst 171 different common monsters in game, more than half have a (preventable only if you know the specific method) instadeath effect; the others upon contact will permanently maim you so hard you might as well quit unless you have specific cure items on demand, or even destroy your inventory with acid even if you are immune to it. And that's not counting non-unique creatures who are invisible and make you stop existing with a touch, unique daemons who ignore every immunity and even manage to steal your immunities and adding to themselves while pumping out your clones out of an alternate universe to kill you. Have fun.

	*''[http://rephial.org/ Angband]''		*''[http://rephial.org/ Angband]''

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	*''[http://www.cellardoorgames.com/roguelegacy/ Rogue Legacy]''		*''[http://www.cellardoorgames.com/roguelegacy/ Rogue Legacy]''
	: A 2d platformer with randomly generated levels that refresh each time you die. Three things move it slightly away from even a "Realtime Roguelike": You can directly gain in power after each run (unlike, say, Binding of Isaac where you merely unlock new possibilities), the fact that it's a 2d platformer, and the fact individual rooms are completely non-random (although the layout of the overall dungeon is, other than a few constants (the dungeon is always below, the attic above), completely randomly generated). What moves it more closely to a Roguelite is it's most unique feature: You must pick from among three randomly generated characters for each run, and that each character after the first has at least one [http://rogue-legacy.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Traits trait], chosen from among many; these Traits can be beneficial (eg., one trait makes it so that you don't set off floor spike traps), negative (eg., one trait makes it so your health is hidden from you), both (eg., one trait makes you tiny, allowing you to dodge more easily and get into small passages, at the cost of a much reduced sword swing), or purely cosmetic (eg., one trait makes you bald, and two others make the game sepia-toned and greyscale, respectively). Whether this game even counts as "Roguelite" is a matter of some debate, but for our purposes, it marks a good line of demarcation: if a game is more different from ''Rogue'' than ''Rogue Legacy'', it's probably not even a Roguelite.		: A 2d platformer with randomly generated levels that refresh each time you die. Three things move it slightly away from even a "Realtime Roguelike": You can directly gain in power after each run (unlike, say, Binding of Isaac where you merely unlock new possibilities), the fact that it's a 2d platformer, and the fact individual rooms are completely non-random (although the layout of the overall dungeon is, other than a few constants (the dungeon is always below, the attic above), completely randomly generated). What moves it more closely to a Roguelite is it's most unique feature: You must pick from among three randomly generated characters for each run, and that each character after the first has at least one [http://rogue-legacy.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Traits trait], chosen from among many; these Traits can be beneficial (eg., one trait makes it so that you don't set off floor spike traps), negative (eg., one trait makes it so your health is hidden from you), both (eg., one trait makes you tiny, allowing you to dodge more easily and get into small passages, at the cost of a much reduced sword swing), or purely cosmetic (eg., one trait makes you bald, and two others make the game sepia-toned and greyscale, respectively). Whether this game even counts as "Roguelite" is a matter of some debate, but for our purposes, it marks a good line of demarcation: if a game is more different from ''Rogue'' than ''Rogue Legacy'', it's probably not even a Roguelite.

			*''[https://roguelegacy2.com Rogue Legacy 2]''
			: Sequel to the above. We hesitate to say "more of the same", since it brings a lot of metroidvania features to the table. Still more or less static rooms, but it does mix things up in environments, classes, upgrades, and even randomness. So we guess we'll say "More of the same, but more as well"?

	=== Not quite Roguelikes ===		=== Not quite Roguelikes ===

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	*''[https://sites.google.com/site/broguegame/ Brogue]''		*''[https://sites.google.com/site/broguegame/ Brogue]''
	:A Rogue clone that lets people rediscover the ASCII charm of original Rogue without the clunky 1980s uncharm. Known to be [[Eldar\|extremely colourful]] and [[Fulgrim\|pretty]], but also pretty complex too, at least by standards of vanilla Rogue. It feels a bit Nethacky. Still stands above most of the very, very many ports and reboots of Rogue floating around, and is still being developed.		:A Rogue clone that lets people rediscover the ASCII charm of original Rogue without the clunky 1980s uncharm. Known to be [[Eldar\|extremely colourful]] and [[Fulgrim\|pretty]], but also pretty complex too, at least by standards of vanilla Rogue. It feels a bit Nethacky. Still stands above most of the very, very many ports and reboots of Rogue floating around, and is still being developed as BrogueCE.

	*''[https://store.steampowered.com/app/365900/Pixel_Dungeon/ Pixel Dungeon]''		*''[https://store.steampowered.com/app/365900/Pixel_Dungeon/ Pixel Dungeon]''
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	::Note: Don't start with vanilla. Pick up ''[https://github.com/00-Evan/shattered-pixel-dungeon/releases Shattered Pixel Dungeon]'' first.		::Note: Don't start with vanilla. Pick up ''[https://github.com/00-Evan/shattered-pixel-dungeon/releases Shattered Pixel Dungeon]'' first.
	:::Note: Now on [https://store.steampowered.com/app/1769170/Shattered_Pixel_Dungeon/ Steam]!		:::Note: Now on [https://store.steampowered.com/app/1769170/Shattered_Pixel_Dungeon/ Steam]!

			For traditional Roguelikes, a full sized manly keyboard with number pad is recommended; but otherwise they'll run on practically anything, even old trash computers from dumpsters. This, along with their RPG lean, [[Dwarf_Fortress\|incredible complexity yet mostly textual frontends]], makes them more palatable to [[/tg/\|people who normally hate video games]]. Traditionally, almost all Linux repos still keep a selection of roguelikes: apart from some of those above you'll also find <i>omega</i>, <i>gearhead</i>, <i>boohu</i> and <i>Slash'Em</i>, and potentially many others.

	=== What We'll Call "Realtime Roguelikes" ===		=== What We'll Call "Realtime Roguelikes" ===

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	*''[http://te4.org/ Tales of Maj’Eyal (ToME)]''		*''[http://te4.org/ Tales of Maj’Eyal (ToME)]''
	:A solid, graphical roguelike (with a side option for ASCII players), with relatively deep lore and a heavy "quest" focus (in other words, multiple dungeons and a few puzzles). [[4e\|A heavily tactical focus, with lots of class skills limited by cooldowns]]. Once Tales of Middle Earth ~~but forced~~ to ~~change it because lawyers (though this old version~~ is ~~still available online~~). Available in a free version, and a purchasable Steam version; the latter is only required if you want to play the expansions, of which there are three so far: A mini-expansion that brings a lot more Demons, and some demon-related classes, another Lovecraftian-themed one, and a full new campaign about attacking what you achieved in the original campaign as an Orc. Notable for having the most achievements trophies of any legitimate game ever (there have been "games" with more, but they've either been pseudogame shovelware, or pure jokes). <ref>There is a fairly good reason for this, BTW. Game is fairly hard, and large, and thus has (in theory) one achievement for each major dungeon and the like (which would be about a hundred cheevos, which is fairly reasonable). '''However''', the game has four difficulties, and two death modes (full Roguelike, and Adventure, where you can afford to die a (very) few times), and the difficulties all represent a major step up in difficulty; thus the game chooses to have each major difficulty/life combination have its own achievements, resulting in each major achievement being duplicated '''nine times''' (4 difficulties with 2 death modes, and an extra for "Explorers", the third lives option, who are considered to be in a difficulty of their own). Three notes: (1) This game ''broke Steam's achievement system'' when it first showed up. (2) There are two other game modes, that have their own achievements. (3) Each DLC adds its own achievements, so each time some more comes out, that's 9 new achievements per DLC achievement.</ref>		:A solid, graphical roguelike (with a side option for ASCII players), with relatively deep lore and a heavy "quest" focus (in other words, multiple dungeons and a few puzzles). [[4e\|A heavily tactical focus, with lots of class skills limited by cooldowns]]. <s>Once called Tales/Troubles of Middle Earth</s>(actually ToME refers to at least five different Roguelikes! Maj'Eyal is ToME4). Available in a free version, and a purchasable Steam version; the latter is only required if you want to play the expansions, of which there are three so far: A mini-expansion that brings a lot more Demons, and some demon-related classes, another Lovecraftian-themed one, and a full new campaign about attacking what you achieved in the original campaign as an Orc. Notable for having the most achievements trophies of any legitimate game ever (there have been "games" with more, but they've either been pseudogame shovelware, or pure jokes). <ref>There is a fairly good reason for this, BTW. Game is fairly hard, and large, and thus has (in theory) one achievement for each major dungeon and the like (which would be about a hundred cheevos, which is fairly reasonable). '''However''', the game has four difficulties, and two death modes (full Roguelike, and Adventure, where you can afford to die a (very) few times), and the difficulties all represent a major step up in difficulty; thus the game chooses to have each major difficulty/life combination have its own achievements, resulting in each major achievement being duplicated '''nine times''' (4 difficulties with 2 death modes, and an extra for "Explorers", the third lives option, who are considered to be in a difficulty of their own). Three notes: (1) This game ''broke Steam's achievement system'' when it first showed up. (2) There are two other game modes, that have their own achievements. (3) Each DLC adds its own achievements, so each time some more comes out, that's 9 new achievements per DLC achievement.</ref>

	*''[https://cataclysmdda.org/ CATACLYSM: Dark Days Ahead]''		*''[https://cataclysmdda.org/ CATACLYSM: Dark Days Ahead]''

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	*''[http://roguetemple.com/z/hyper/ HyperRogue]''		*''[http://roguetemple.com/z/hyper/ HyperRogue]''
	:A relative newcomer to the roguelike genre, critically acclaimed for its creative use of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbolic_geometry hyperbolic geometry] in its game world and mechanics. For those of you who aren't math nerds, this means that most of the things you'd expect from a grid-based roguelike don't apply- the world rotates around you when you return to a tile after a few steps (a side effect of the sum of a triangle's angles adding up to less than 180 degrees in hyperbolic space), you can always outrun a monster unless it's directly behind you, trying to return to a place you've been before after going a long way away is nearly impossible unless you go back ''exactly'' the same way you came, and far more. Luckily, the game does have tutorials explaining the basics of hyperbolic geometry in layman's terms and the rest can be figured out as you go along. As a bonus, another quirk of hyperbolic geometry means that the game worlds are ~~practically~~ infinite so you'll never run out of stuff to find. The engine also supports a bunch of other exotic non-Euclidian geometries (not the Lovecraftian kind, though) that most of us can neither explain nor fully understand ourselves, and is also available as a teaching and research tool.		:A relative newcomer to the roguelike genre, critically acclaimed for its creative use of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbolic_geometry hyperbolic geometry] in its game world and mechanics. For those of you who aren't math nerds, this means that most of the things you'd expect from a grid-based roguelike don't apply- the world rotates around you when you return to a tile after a few steps (a side effect of the sum of a triangle's angles adding up to less than 180 degrees in hyperbolic space), you can always outrun a monster unless it's directly behind you, trying to return to a place you've been before after going a long way away is nearly impossible unless you go back ''exactly'' the same way you came, and far more. Luckily, the game does have tutorials explaining the basics of hyperbolic geometry in layman's terms and the rest can be figured out as you go along. As a bonus, another quirk of hyperbolic geometry means that the game worlds are even more infinite than their Euclidian equivalents would be so you'll never run out of stuff to find. The engine also supports a bunch of other exotic non-Euclidian geometries (not the Lovecraftian kind, though) that most of us can neither explain nor fully understand ourselves, and is also available as a teaching and research tool.

	*''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brogue_(video_game)/ Brogue]''		*''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brogue_(video_game)/ Brogue]''

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	*''[http://rephial.org/ Angband]''		*''[http://rephial.org/ Angband]''
	:Massively expanded roguelike. The quintessential randomized [[D&D]] solo adventure in Tolkien's world. Brutal, though. Has also inspired a subgenre of variants; these are called "bands." It's as the name implies, you go down 100 levels into the "iron fortress" of Morgoth and kill him. As a Hobbit wizard that casts millions of acid rains on dragons and teleports at will. Most other "bands" are not worthy of mention, except <i>~~zanbgand~~</i> as not only being the most intensely developed at one point (even more so than the original) but also very very unusually basing itself in Roger Zelazny's <i>Chronicles of Amber</i> which only one tabletop does,[[Amber_Diceless_RPG\|Amber Diceless RPG]].		:Massively expanded roguelike. The quintessential randomized [[D&D]] solo adventure in Tolkien's world. Brutal, though. Has also inspired a subgenre of variants; these are called "bands." It's as the name implies, you go down 100 levels into the "iron fortress" of Morgoth and kill him. As a Hobbit wizard that casts millions of acid rains on dragons and teleports at will. Most other "bands" are not worthy of mention, except <i>zangband</i> as not only being the most intensely developed at one point (even more so than the original) but also very very unusually basing itself in Roger Zelazny's <i>Chronicles of Amber</i> which only one tabletop does, [[Amber_Diceless_RPG\|Amber Diceless RPG]].

	*''[[Dungeon Crawl]]''		*''[[Dungeon Crawl]]''

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	*''[http://www.hexatron.com/rogue/ Rogue]''		*''[http://www.hexatron.com/rogue/ Rogue]''
	:The great gran'pappy of all roguelikes, naturally. Looks like chewed-over ass and plays about as well but you'd better have some motherfucking respect, this thing basically created the gaming industry. Apparently not the first Roguelike nor the one that bought the genre its surge in variants, but nobody played 1978 <i>Beneath Apple Manor</i> and Morialike just sounds ~~[[derp\|~~dumb]].		:The great gran'pappy of all roguelikes, naturally. Looks like chewed-over ass and plays about as well but you'd better have some motherfucking respect, this thing basically created the gaming industry. Apparently not the first Roguelike nor the one that bought the genre its surge in variants, but nobody played 1978 <i>Beneath Apple Manor</i> and Morialike just sounds dumb.

	*''[http://www.nethack.org Nethack]''		*''[http://www.nethack.org Nethack]''
	:Arguably the most balanced traditional roguelike. Doesn't take itself too seriously, except for player etiquette regarding an NPC named Izchak who is a tribute to a deceased dev team member named Dr. Izchak Miller. The child of an earlier game called <i>Hack</i>, it's known for creating a subgenre called "hacklikes", which put a greater focus on resource management, improvisation, secret knowledge and [[Just As Planned\|spectacular, brilliantly bullshit zany schemes]]. Pulls from more than a few various fantasy works, including ''[[Discworld]]'' and the [[Tolkien]]verse.		:Arguably the most balanced traditional roguelike. Doesn't take itself too seriously, except for player etiquette regarding an NPC named Izchak who is a tribute to a deceased dev team member named Dr. Izchak Miller. The child of an earlier game called <i>Hack</i>, it's known for creating a subgenre called "hacklikes", which put a greater focus on resource management, improvisation, secret knowledge and [[Just As Planned\|spectacular, brilliantly bullshit zany schemes]]. Pulls from more than a few various fantasy works, including ''[[Discworld]]'' and the [[Tolkien]]verse. For a while was a bit criticised for haphazardly throwing in ideas, especially from other Roguelikes, without much idea of balance but that settled down.

	*''[http://dos-ragnarok.wikia.com/wiki/Ragnarok_/_Valhalla_Wiki Ragnarok/Valhalla]''		*''[http://dos-ragnarok.wikia.com/wiki/Ragnarok_/_Valhalla_Wiki Ragnarok/Valhalla]''
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	*''[http://www.adom.de Ancient Domains of Mystery]''		*''[http://www.adom.de Ancient Domains of Mystery]''
	:A German roguelike set in a large mountain chain with many dark caverns where the forces of law and chaos do battle for the fate of the universe. [[3e\|A gazillion different skills to upgrade and feats to take.]] One of the most intensely, long-term developed traditional Roguelikes, its single dev has been at it for over 25 years. The biggest flaw of the game is that many elements are not randomized, requiring you to trudge through them over and over every time you die, at least if you were going for a special ending. [[4e\|And you can't be Lawful Evil, but simply Chaotic Evil or Lawful Good.]] One of the 90s Roguelikes that was closed source, meaning there were no later variants but also meaning there were lots of mysteries inside unreachable by source-reading. (Mostly spoiled by now though... [[Alpharius\|or is it?]]) Still being developed, selling on Steam but also free with less unnecessary-but-nice features, with the ASCII core of the game intact but defaulting with much more modern graphics to satisfy newfags. Also has a successor by the same author called Ultimate ADOM, but development [[skub\|seems to have stalled]].		:A German roguelike set in a large mountain chain with many dark caverns where the forces of law and chaos do battle for the fate of the universe. [[3e\|A gazillion different skills to upgrade and feats to take.]] One of the most intensely, long-term developed traditional Roguelikes, its single dev has been at it for over 25 years. The biggest flaw of the game is that many elements are not randomized, requiring you to trudge through them over and over every time you die, at least if you were going for a special ending. [[4e\|And you can't be Lawful Evil, but simply Chaotic Evil or Lawful Good.]] One of the 90s Roguelikes that was closed source, meaning there were no later variants but also meaning there were lots of mysteries inside unreachable by source-reading. (Mostly spoiled by now though... [[Alpharius\|or is it?]]) Still being developed, selling on Steam but also free with less unnecessary-but-nice features, and with the ASCII core of the game intact but defaulting with much more modern graphics to satisfy newfags and fucking casuals. Also has a successor by the same author called Ultimate ADOM, but development [[skub\|seems to have stalled]].

	*''[http://lkbm.ecritters.biz/cotw/ Castle of the Winds]''		*''[http://lkbm.ecritters.biz/cotw/ Castle of the Winds]''
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	:In the words of the author "Incursion is a traditional roguelike", and it is very influenced by D&D. You have to descend through multiple floors of caverns to reach the Goblin King and slay him. Plans include an outside world but that's for future releases.		:In the words of the author "Incursion is a traditional roguelike", and it is very influenced by D&D. You have to descend through multiple floors of caverns to reach the Goblin King and slay him. Plans include an outside world but that's for future releases.

	*''[http://te4.org/ Tales of Maj’Eyal]''		*''[http://te4.org/ Tales of Maj’Eyal (ToME)]''
	:A solid, graphical roguelike (with a side option for ASCII players), with relatively deep lore and a heavy "quest" focus (in other words, multiple dungeons and a few puzzles). [[4e\|A heavily tactical focus, with lots of class skills limited by cooldowns]]. Available in a free version, and a purchasable Steam version; the latter is only required if you want to play the expansions, of which there are three so far: A mini-expansion that brings a lot more Demons, and some demon-related classes, another Lovecraftian-themed one, and a full new campaign about attacking what you achieved in the original campaign as an Orc. Notable for having the most achievements trophies of any legitimate game ever (there have been "games" with more, but they've either been pseudogame shovelware, or pure jokes). <ref>There is a fairly good reason for this, BTW. Game is fairly hard, and large, and thus has (in theory) one achievement for each major dungeon and the like (which would be about a hundred cheevos, which is fairly reasonable). '''However''', the game has four difficulties, and two death modes (full Roguelike, and Adventure, where you can afford to die a (very) few times), and the difficulties all represent a major step up in difficulty; thus the game chooses to have each major difficulty/life combination have its own achievements, resulting in each major achievement being duplicated '''nine times''' (4 difficulties with 2 death modes, and an extra for "Explorers", the third lives option, who are considered to be in a difficulty of their own). Three notes: (1) This game ''broke Steam's achievement system'' when it first showed up. (2) There are two other game modes, that have their own achievements. (3) Each DLC adds its own achievements, so each time some more comes out, that's 9 new achievements per DLC achievement.</ref>		:A solid, graphical roguelike (with a side option for ASCII players), with relatively deep lore and a heavy "quest" focus (in other words, multiple dungeons and a few puzzles). [[4e\|A heavily tactical focus, with lots of class skills limited by cooldowns]]. Once Tales of Middle Earth but forced to change it because lawyers (though this old version is still available online). Available in a free version, and a purchasable Steam version; the latter is only required if you want to play the expansions, of which there are three so far: A mini-expansion that brings a lot more Demons, and some demon-related classes, another Lovecraftian-themed one, and a full new campaign about attacking what you achieved in the original campaign as an Orc. Notable for having the most achievements trophies of any legitimate game ever (there have been "games" with more, but they've either been pseudogame shovelware, or pure jokes). <ref>There is a fairly good reason for this, BTW. Game is fairly hard, and large, and thus has (in theory) one achievement for each major dungeon and the like (which would be about a hundred cheevos, which is fairly reasonable). '''However''', the game has four difficulties, and two death modes (full Roguelike, and Adventure, where you can afford to die a (very) few times), and the difficulties all represent a major step up in difficulty; thus the game chooses to have each major difficulty/life combination have its own achievements, resulting in each major achievement being duplicated '''nine times''' (4 difficulties with 2 death modes, and an extra for "Explorers", the third lives option, who are considered to be in a difficulty of their own). Three notes: (1) This game ''broke Steam's achievement system'' when it first showed up. (2) There are two other game modes, that have their own achievements. (3) Each DLC adds its own achievements, so each time some more comes out, that's 9 new achievements per DLC achievement.</ref>

	*''[https://cataclysmdda.org/ CATACLYSM: Dark Days Ahead]''		*''[https://cataclysmdda.org/ CATACLYSM: Dark Days Ahead]''
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	:A relative newcomer to the roguelike genre, critically acclaimed for its creative use of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbolic_geometry hyperbolic geometry] in its game world and mechanics. For those of you who aren't math nerds, this means that most of the things you'd expect from a grid-based roguelike don't apply- the world rotates around you when you return to a tile after a few steps (a side effect of the sum of a triangle's angles adding up to less than 180 degrees in hyperbolic space), you can always outrun a monster unless it's directly behind you, trying to return to a place you've been before after going a long way away is nearly impossible unless you go back ''exactly'' the same way you came, and far more. Luckily, the game does have tutorials explaining the basics of hyperbolic geometry in layman's terms and the rest can be figured out as you go along. As a bonus, another quirk of hyperbolic geometry means that the game worlds are even more infinite than their Euclidian equivalents would be so you'll never run out of stuff to find. The engine also supports a bunch of other exotic non-Euclidian geometries (not the Lovecraftian kind, though) that most of us can neither explain nor fully understand ourselves, and is also available as a teaching and research tool.		:A relative newcomer to the roguelike genre, critically acclaimed for its creative use of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbolic_geometry hyperbolic geometry] in its game world and mechanics. For those of you who aren't math nerds, this means that most of the things you'd expect from a grid-based roguelike don't apply- the world rotates around you when you return to a tile after a few steps (a side effect of the sum of a triangle's angles adding up to less than 180 degrees in hyperbolic space), you can always outrun a monster unless it's directly behind you, trying to return to a place you've been before after going a long way away is nearly impossible unless you go back ''exactly'' the same way you came, and far more. Luckily, the game does have tutorials explaining the basics of hyperbolic geometry in layman's terms and the rest can be figured out as you go along. As a bonus, another quirk of hyperbolic geometry means that the game worlds are even more infinite than their Euclidian equivalents would be so you'll never run out of stuff to find. The engine also supports a bunch of other exotic non-Euclidian geometries (not the Lovecraftian kind, though) that most of us can neither explain nor fully understand ourselves, and is also available as a teaching and research tool.

	*''[https://en.~~wikipedia~~.~~org~~/~~wiki~~/~~Brogue_(video_game)~~/ Brogue]''		*''[https://sites.google.com/site/broguegame/ Brogue]''
	:A Rogue clone that lets people rediscover the ASCII charm of original Rogue without the clunky 1980s uncharm. Known to be [[Eldar\|extremely colourful]] and [[Fulgrim\|pretty]], but also pretty complex too, at least by standards of vanilla Rogue. It feels a bit Nethacky. It stands above ~~among~~ the very, very many ports and reboots of Rogue floating around ~~not really worth a mention~~ and is still being developed.		:A Rogue clone that lets people rediscover the ASCII charm of original Rogue without the clunky 1980s uncharm. Known to be [[Eldar\|extremely colourful]] and [[Fulgrim\|pretty]], but also pretty complex too, at least by standards of vanilla Rogue. It feels a bit Nethacky. Still stands above most of the very, very many ports and reboots of Rogue floating around, and is still being developed.

	*''[https://store.steampowered.com/app/365900/Pixel_Dungeon/ Pixel Dungeon]''		*''[https://store.steampowered.com/app/365900/Pixel_Dungeon/ Pixel Dungeon]''