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	The ''Tomb'' as officially published is used as the (literal) textbook example of a design to make players cry. Where most of the "intruders keep out" traps in D&D tombs are to tickle PCs without killing them because character death is Bad, the Tomb of Horrors's "intruders keep out" traps are designed to ''keep fucking intruders out'' by killing them as gruesomely as possible.		The ''Tomb'' as officially published is used as the (literal) textbook example of a design to make players cry. Where most of the "intruders keep out" traps in D&D tombs are to tickle PCs without killing them because character death is Bad, the Tomb of Horrors's "intruders keep out" traps are designed to ''keep fucking intruders out'' by killing them as gruesomely as possible.

	''(If you kids had any ~~grey~~ in your neckbeards, you'd know the Tomb is nothing compared to Gygax's [[Isle of the Ape]]. [[Grandpa Dreadnought\|Now get off my lawn!]])''		''(If you kids had any white in your neckbeards, you'd know the Tomb is nothing compared to Gygax's [[Isle of the Ape]]. [[Grandpa Dreadnought\|Now get off my lawn!]])''

	It was the first module to have an inset booklet with illustrations of key areas in the dungeon, so players could get a standard feel for what it looked like. Gygax had brought in fourteen-year-old Tracy Lesch to draw these in 1975; she who also drew the first [[roper]]. David Sutherland and [[Dave Trampier]] revised them for the published version, mainly adding 3-D perspective.		It was the first module to have an inset booklet with illustrations of key areas in the dungeon, so players could get a standard feel for what it looked like. Gygax had brought in fourteen-year-old Tracy Lesch to draw these in 1975; she who also drew the first [[roper]]. David Sutherland and [[Dave Trampier]] revised them for the published version, mainly adding 3-D perspective.

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	* Dungeons & Dragons 5th Edition, ''[[Tomb of Annihilation]]'' (2018): More of a spiritual successor than a remake. A mini-campaign balanced for organized play that focuses on one of Acererak's pet projects in the [[Forgotten Realms]] that threatens to create an undead god-abomination.		* Dungeons & Dragons 5th Edition, ''[[Tomb of Annihilation]]'' (2018): More of a spiritual successor than a remake. A mini-campaign balanced for organized play that focuses on one of Acererak's pet projects in the [[Forgotten Realms]] that threatens to create an undead god-abomination.
	* In Act I of [http://thiefmissions.com/info.cgi?m=Calendras_Legacy_v1a Calendra's Legacy], a fan mission for ''Thief II'', there's an easily missed mini-version of the Tomb.		* In Act I of [http://thiefmissions.com/info.cgi?m=Calendras_Legacy_v1a Calendra's Legacy], a fan mission for ''Thief II'', there's an easily missed mini-version of the Tomb.
	* A [~~http~~://~~nwvault~~.~~ign.com~~/~~View.php?view=NWN2ModulesEnglish.Detail&id=197~~ Neverwinter Nights version] of the original Tomb is available if you want to see your savegame characters get killed repeatedly.		* A [https://neverwintervault.org/project/nwn2/module/tomb-horrors-revisited-final Neverwinter Nights version] of the original Tomb is available if you want to see your savegame characters get killed repeatedly.
	* A [[Minecraft]] version of the original Tomb [https://www.planetminecraft.com/project/s1-the-tomb-of-horrors/ can be found]. No monsters, no save-or-die, but it's a nifty first-person perspective on the Tomb.		* A [[Minecraft]] version of the original Tomb [https://www.planetminecraft.com/project/s1-the-tomb-of-horrors/ can be found]. No monsters, no save-or-die, but it's a nifty first-person perspective on the Tomb.

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	There are 20 pregen characters in the back, and it's recommended that players bring two characters each if there are less than six players.		There are 20 pregen characters in the back, and it's recommended that players bring two characters each if there are less than six players.

	The funny thing is that the module actually isn't ''really'' directly unfair as such; it just challenges the players' assumptions about how the game is played. <s>While there are some obviously dickish parts, the problems you need to solve aren't shockingly abstract, you just need to be really ''really'' careful.</s> Some of the traps and "gotcha" moments found in the dungeon are basically impossible to get around unless you poke around everything, and since poking around everything will inevitably lead to your death, it's essentially trial-and-error gameplay, I Wanna be the Guy style at some points (The fake Acererak being the prime example of a gigantic "Fuck You" where you are unable to figure the trick out unless you have played the module before or are somehow suicidal enough to stay in the dungeon when the tomb starts "collapsing" due to the illusion). Them again, Gygax ''did'' design the module from the ground-up to be a meatgrinder, so the idea of "throwing characters at the dungeon until you poke what works" was done on purpose. [[~~Subk~~\|Maybe.]] And it's up to the jury whether there's [[skub\|entertainment to be found in this kind of gameplay or not]].		The funny thing is that the module actually isn't ''really'' directly unfair as such; it just challenges the players' assumptions about how the game is played. <s>While there are some obviously dickish parts, the problems you need to solve aren't shockingly abstract, you just need to be really ''really'' careful.</s> Some of the traps and "gotcha" moments found in the dungeon are basically impossible to get around unless you poke around everything, and since poking around everything will inevitably lead to your death, it's essentially trial-and-error gameplay, I Wanna be the Guy style at some points (The fake Acererak being the prime example of a gigantic "Fuck You" where you are unable to figure the trick out unless you have played the module before or are somehow suicidal enough to stay in the dungeon when the tomb starts "collapsing" due to the illusion). Them again, Gygax ''did'' design the module from the ground-up to be a meatgrinder, so the idea of "throwing characters at the dungeon until you poke what works" was done on purpose. [[Skub\|Maybe.]] And it's up to the jury whether there's [[skub\|entertainment to be found in this kind of gameplay or not]].

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	There are 20 pregen characters in the back, and it's recommended that players bring two characters each if there are less than six players.		There are 20 pregen characters in the back, and it's recommended that players bring two characters each if there are less than six players.

	The funny thing is that the module actually isn't ''really'' directly unfair as such; it just challenges the players' assumptions about how the game is played. <s>While there are some obviously dickish parts, the problems you need to solve aren't shockingly abstract, you just need to be really ''really'' careful.</s> Some of the traps and "gotcha" moments found in the dungeon are basically impossible to get around unless you poke around everything, and since poking around everything will inevitably lead to your death, it's essentially trial-and-error gameplay, I Wanna be the Guy style at some points (The fake Acererak being the prime example of a gigantic "Fuck You" where you are unable to figure the trick out unless you have played the module before or are somehow suicidal enough to stay in the dungeon when the tomb ~~start~~ "collapsing" due to the illusion).		The funny thing is that the module actually isn't ''really'' directly unfair as such; it just challenges the players' assumptions about how the game is played. <s>While there are some obviously dickish parts, the problems you need to solve aren't shockingly abstract, you just need to be really ''really'' careful.</s> Some of the traps and "gotcha" moments found in the dungeon are basically impossible to get around unless you poke around everything, and since poking around everything will inevitably lead to your death, it's essentially trial-and-error gameplay, I Wanna be the Guy style at some points (The fake Acererak being the prime example of a gigantic "Fuck You" where you are unable to figure the trick out unless you have played the module before or are somehow suicidal enough to stay in the dungeon when the tomb starts "collapsing" due to the illusion). Them again, Gygax ''did'' design the module from the ground-up to be a meatgrinder, so the idea of "throwing characters at the dungeon until you poke what works" was done on purpose. [[Subk\|Maybe.]] And it's up to the jury whether there's [[skub\|entertainment to be found in this kind of gameplay or not]].

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	There are 20 pregen characters in the back, and it's recommended that players bring two characters each if there are less than six players.		There are 20 pregen characters in the back, and it's recommended that players bring two characters each if there are less than six players.

	The funny thing is that the module actually isn't ''really'' directly unfair as such; it just challenges the players' assumptions about how the game is played. <s>While there are some obviously dickish parts, the problems you need to solve aren't shockingly abstract, you just need to be really ''really'' careful.</s> Some of the traps and ~~content~~ found in the dungeon are basically impossible to get around unless you poke around everything, and since poking around everything will inevitably lead to your death, it's essentially trial-and-error gameplay, I Wanna be the Guy style at some points.		The funny thing is that the module actually isn't ''really'' directly unfair as such; it just challenges the players' assumptions about how the game is played. <s>While there are some obviously dickish parts, the problems you need to solve aren't shockingly abstract, you just need to be really ''really'' careful.</s> Some of the traps and "gotcha" moments found in the dungeon are basically impossible to get around unless you poke around everything, and since poking around everything will inevitably lead to your death, it's essentially trial-and-error gameplay, I Wanna be the Guy style at some points (The fake Acererak being the prime example of a gigantic "Fuck You" where you are unable to figure the trick out unless you have played the module before or are somehow suicidal enough to stay in the dungeon when the tomb start "collapsing" due to the illusion).

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	There are 20 pregen characters in the back, and it's recommended that players bring two characters each if there are less than six players.		There are 20 pregen characters in the back, and it's recommended that players bring two characters each if there are less than six players.

	The funny thing is that the module actually isn't ''really'' directly unfair as such; it just challenges the players' assumptions about how the game is played. While there are some obviously dickish parts, the problems you need to solve aren't shockingly abstract, you just need to be really ''really'' careful.		The funny thing is that the module actually isn't ''really'' directly unfair as such; it just challenges the players' assumptions about how the game is played. <s>While there are some obviously dickish parts, the problems you need to solve aren't shockingly abstract, you just need to be really ''really'' careful.</s> Some of the traps and content found in the dungeon are basically impossible to get around unless you poke around everything, and since poking around everything will inevitably lead to your death, it's essentially trial-and-error gameplay, I Wanna be the Guy style at some points.

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	* the Tournament version (25-7 July 1975)		* the Tournament version (25-7 July 1975)
	* Adventure Module S1, ''Tomb of Horrors'' (1978)		* Adventure Module S1, ''[http://gobbi.free.fr/scenarii/S1%20-%20Tomb%20of%20Horrors%20(full).pdf Tomb of Horrors]'' (1978)
	* Adventure Supermodule S1-S4, ''Realms of Horror'' (1987). Has several differences from the 1978 version, including the mouth turning you into a zombie.		* Adventure Supermodule S1-S4, ''[https://archive.org/details/tsr09209s14realmsofhorror Realms of Horror]'' (1987). Has several differences from the 1978 version, including the mouth turning you into a zombie.
	* Advanced Dungeons & Dragons Tomes, [[Bruce Cordell]]'s ''[https://www.dmsguild.com/product/17473/Return-to-the-Tomb-of-Horrors-2e Return to the Tomb of Horrors]'' (1998): Actually gave a reason to go there other than graverobbing. Added a village of evil cultists outside the tomb, then you went through the Tomb itself (the original module was included in the box), but in the final room you found instead a portal to the demi-lich's fortress anchored in the motherfuckin' Negative Material Plane, yet another module designed for maximum [[TPK]]. Came with an even bigger book of illustrations to show the players.		* Advanced Dungeons & Dragons Tomes, [[Bruce Cordell]]'s ''[https://www.dmsguild.com/product/17473/Return-to-the-Tomb-of-Horrors-2e Return to the Tomb of Horrors]'' (1998): Actually gave a reason to go there other than graverobbing. Added a village of evil cultists outside the tomb, then you went through the Tomb itself (the original module was included in the box), but in the final room you found instead a portal to the demi-lich's fortress anchored in the motherfuckin' Negative Material Plane, yet another module designed for maximum [[TPK]]. Came with an even bigger book of illustrations to show the players.
	* novel, ''The Tomb of Horrors'' in the [[Greyhawk Classics]] line, by Keith Francis Strohm (2002) holy shit, it is bad.		* novel, ''The Tomb of Horrors'' in the [[Greyhawk Classics]] line, by Keith Francis Strohm (2002) holy shit, it is bad.