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Myths and facts

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	5. Another common myth is that Samurai and Ninja were arch-enemies, though despite this, Samurai would hire Ninja to do things which they couldn't do because it is dishonorable. Of course you already know this shit about honor is complete bullshit. Many Ninja were in fact Samurai, as Samurai is not just a type of a warrior but a social class. Reason for this myth that Samurai and Ninja were arch-enemies comes from Oda Nobunaga leading a brutal campaign into the Iga Province, slaughtering hundreds if not thousands. The tactics used by the Iga against the Oda army is what gives us many of the things we know about the Ninja today.		5. Another common myth is that Samurai and Ninja were arch-enemies, though despite this, Samurai would hire Ninja to do things which they couldn't do because it is dishonorable. Of course you already know this shit about honor is complete bullshit. Many Ninja were in fact Samurai, as Samurai is not just a type of a warrior but a social class. Reason for this myth that Samurai and Ninja were arch-enemies comes from Oda Nobunaga leading a brutal campaign into the Iga Province, slaughtering hundreds if not thousands. The tactics used by the Iga against the Oda army is what gives us many of the things we know about the Ninja today.

	6. Many believe that Samurai practiced Karate. Karate is not in fact of Japanese origin but of Ryukyuan, which was vassalized by the Satsuma Domain in the early 17th century and formally annexed by the then Empire of Japan in 1879. As the Japanese rulers did not allow Ryukyuans to have weapons, they took to practicing unarmed martial arts and martial arts making used of improvised weapons, now known as Karate and Kobudo. So naturally, Samurai did not practice Karate. A Samurai who ''did'' practice unarmed martial arts probably would have done [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jujutsu jujutsu].		6. Many believe that Samurai practiced Karate. Karate is not in fact of Japanese origin but of Ryukyuan (now known as Okinanawa in the modern age) and influenced by Chinese Kung Fu, which was vassalized by the Satsuma Domain in the early 17th century and formally annexed by the then Empire of Japan in 1879. As the Japanese rulers did not allow Ryukyuans to have weapons, they took to practicing unarmed martial arts and martial arts making used of improvised weapons, now known as Karate and Kobudo. So naturally, Samurai did not practice Karate. A Samurai who ''did'' practice unarmed martial arts probably would have done [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jujutsu jujutsu].

	7. Many also believe that Samurai simply always existed throughout history. Reality is that they started to emerge during the mid Heian Jidai (794-1185), had been properly established during the late Heian Jidai and ended the period by seizing power, starting the Kamakura Jidai (1185-1333) and Japanese Feudal Period (1185-1868) in general.		7. Many also believe that Samurai simply always existed throughout history. Reality is that they started to emerge during the mid Heian Jidai (794-1185), had been properly established during the late Heian Jidai and ended the period by seizing power, starting the Kamakura Jidai (1185-1333) and Japanese Feudal Period (1185-1868) in general.

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	The samurai are not quite as bad as the Ninja in this regard but there are still a lot of myths generally believed as facts. It is worth noting though that unlike the Ninja, these myths often have at least some basis in reality, problem is that they are applied to Samurai throughout history even though in reality they emerged during the two and half centuries of peace of the Edo Jidai (1600-1868). Here is some of them:		The samurai are not quite as bad as the Ninja in this regard but there are still a lot of myths generally believed as facts. It is worth noting though that unlike the Ninja, these myths often have at least some basis in reality, problem is that they are applied to Samurai throughout history even though in reality they emerged during the two and half centuries of peace of the Edo Jidai (1600-1868). Here is some of them:

	1. Bushido was not practiced throughout Japanese history. As mentioned above, it mostly came about during centuries of peace and was quickly forgotten about once the peace had passed. During the periods of war, Samurai were quite pragmatic and did plenty of things which people today say samurai didn't do because it is dishonorable. Some Samurai might have had their personal honor codes but until the Edo government started pushing Bushido, there was more or less only one thing all Samurai could agree: Nothing is more honorable than bringing victory to one's lord, no matter what one must do to achieve it.		1. Bushido was not practiced throughout Japanese history. As mentioned above, it mostly came about during centuries of peace and was quickly forgotten about once the peace had passed. During the periods of war, Samurai were quite pragmatic and did plenty of things which people today say samurai didn't do because it is dishonorable. Some Samurai might have had their personal honor codes but until the Edo government started pushing Bushido (or rather, neo-confucianism, with the term bushido being used after the fact), there was more or less only one thing all Samurai could agree: Nothing is more honorable than bringing victory to one's lord, no matter what one must do to achieve it.

	2. Katana was not the main weapon of the Samurai. It was primarily a backup weapon, to be used when one had lost their main weapon, typically a bow or a spear. The reason we have this myth is that during the Edo Jidai, katana carried together with a wakizashi (practice known as daishou) became a symbol of the Samurai, as only they were allowed to carry them. When you are carrying a weapon more as a symbol than as an actual weapon, it simply makes more sense to carry an easily carriable sword, rather than something like a bow or a spear. Also worth noting is that katana did not exist throughout Samurai history but started becoming common around the 14th century when tactics started to switch from cavalry-based tactics more towards infantry-based tactics. Before this, the Samurai used the longer and curvier tachi, which was made to be used from horseback.		2. Katana was not the main weapon of the Samurai. It was primarily a backup weapon, to be used when one had lost their main weapon, typically a bow or a spear. The reason we have this myth is that during the Edo Jidai, katana carried together with a wakizashi (practice known as daishou) became a symbol of the Samurai, as only they were allowed to carry them. When you are carrying a weapon more as a symbol than as an actual weapon, it simply makes more sense to carry an easily carriable sword, rather than something like a bow or a spear. Also worth noting is that katana did not exist throughout Samurai history but started becoming common around the 14th century when tactics started to switch from cavalry-based tactics more towards infantry-based tactics. Before this, the Samurai used the longer and curvier tachi, which was made to be used from horseback.

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Bushido

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	What many people get wrong about Bushido is that they assume it applied to samurai throughout history, when in reality it is something that became commonplace during the two and half centuries of peace of the Edo Jidai. It is quite easy to be a honorable warrior during peacetime. And once the chaotic years of the Bakumatsu set in, culminating in the Boshin War, the samurai quickly forgot about all this honor.		What many people get wrong about Bushido is that they assume it applied to samurai throughout history, when in reality it is something that became commonplace during the two and half centuries of peace of the Edo Jidai. It is quite easy to be a honorable warrior during peacetime. And once the chaotic years of the Bakumatsu set in, culminating in the Boshin War, the samurai quickly forgot about all this honor.

	~~Sometimes~~ that is also widely believed is that Bushido was a strict clearly defined and standardized code followed by every samurai to the letter. But if that was the case, why is there not single surviving document from the time of the samurai on which the code is written, when something like that would have definitely been printed widely if it did exist? Because it did not actually exist like that.		Something that is also widely believed is that Bushido was a strict clearly defined and standardized code followed by every samurai to the letter. But if that was the case, why is there not single surviving document from the time of the samurai on which the code is written, when something like that would have definitely been printed widely if it did exist? Because it did not actually exist like that.

	During the 1920s through the end of World War II, this rough philosophy would be blown out of proportion and mixed with a heaping dose of nationalism, at which point it became a big part of the standard school curriculum. This was done because the generals who controlled Japan at that time sought a militarized society to crank out fanatical conscripts to conquer China and East Asia with. This manifested in fanatical loyalty, a willingness to die for their cause, and utter contempt and horrendous cruelty to every enemy, especially those who surrendered. When modern people think of Bushido in the west, they are usually thinking of this, or at least a cleaned up version of it [[Grimdark\|as the Imperial Japanese Army could be a rather nasty lot to say the least]].		During the 1920s through the end of World War II, this rough philosophy would be blown out of proportion and mixed with a heaping dose of nationalism, at which point it became a big part of the standard school curriculum. This was done because the generals who controlled Japan at that time sought a militarized society to crank out fanatical conscripts to conquer China and East Asia with. This manifested in fanatical loyalty, a willingness to die for their cause, and utter contempt and horrendous cruelty to every enemy, especially those who surrendered. When modern people think of Bushido in the west, they are usually thinking of this, or at least a cleaned up version of it [[Grimdark\|as the Imperial Japanese Army could be a rather nasty lot to say the least]].

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Bushido

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	What many people get wrong about Bushido is that they assume it applied to samurai throughout history, when in reality it is something that became commonplace during the two and half centuries of peace of the Edo Jidai. It is quite easy to be a honorable warrior during peacetime. And once the chaotic years of the Bakumatsu set in, culminating in the Boshin War, the samurai quickly forgot about all this honor.		What many people get wrong about Bushido is that they assume it applied to samurai throughout history, when in reality it is something that became commonplace during the two and half centuries of peace of the Edo Jidai. It is quite easy to be a honorable warrior during peacetime. And once the chaotic years of the Bakumatsu set in, culminating in the Boshin War, the samurai quickly forgot about all this honor.

			Sometimes that is also widely believed is that Bushido was a strict clearly defined and standardized code followed by every samurai to the letter. But if that was the case, why is there not single surviving document from the time of the samurai on which the code is written, when something like that would have definitely been printed widely if it did exist? Because it did not actually exist like that.

	During the 1920s through the end of World War II, this rough philosophy would be blown out of proportion and mixed with a heaping dose of nationalism, at which point it became a big part of the standard school curriculum. This was done because the generals who controlled Japan at that time sought a militarized society to crank out fanatical conscripts to conquer China and East Asia with. This manifested in fanatical loyalty, a willingness to die for their cause, and utter contempt and horrendous cruelty to every enemy, especially those who surrendered. When modern people think of Bushido in the west, they are usually thinking of this, or at least a cleaned up version of it [[Grimdark\|as the Imperial Japanese Army could be a rather nasty lot to say the least]].		During the 1920s through the end of World War II, this rough philosophy would be blown out of proportion and mixed with a heaping dose of nationalism, at which point it became a big part of the standard school curriculum. This was done because the generals who controlled Japan at that time sought a militarized society to crank out fanatical conscripts to conquer China and East Asia with. This manifested in fanatical loyalty, a willingness to die for their cause, and utter contempt and horrendous cruelty to every enemy, especially those who surrendered. When modern people think of Bushido in the west, they are usually thinking of this, or at least a cleaned up version of it [[Grimdark\|as the Imperial Japanese Army could be a rather nasty lot to say the least]].

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	What many people get wrong about Bushido is that they assume it applied to samurai throughout history, when in reality it is something that became commonplace during the two and half centuries of peace of the Edo Jidai. It is quite easy to be a honorable warrior during peacetime. And once the chaotic years of the Bakumatsu set in, culminating in the Boshin War, the samurai quickly forgot about all this honor.		What many people get wrong about Bushido is that they assume it applied to samurai throughout history, when in reality it is something that became commonplace during the two and half centuries of peace of the Edo Jidai. It is quite easy to be a honorable warrior during peacetime. And once the chaotic years of the Bakumatsu set in, culminating in the Boshin War, the samurai quickly forgot about all this honor.

	During the 1920s through the end of World War II, this rough philosophy would be blown out of proportion and mixed with a heaping dose of nationalism, at which point it became a big part of the standard school curriculum. This was done because the generals who controlled Japan at that time sought a militarized society to crank out fanatical conscripts to conquer China and East Asia with. This manifested in fanatical loyalty, a willingness to die for their cause, and utter contempt and horrendous cruelty to every enemy, especially those who ~~did not surrender~~. When modern people think of Bushido in the west, they are usually thinking of this, or at least a cleaned up version of it [[Grimdark\|as the Imperial Japanese Army could be a rather nasty lot to say the least]].		During the 1920s through the end of World War II, this rough philosophy would be blown out of proportion and mixed with a heaping dose of nationalism, at which point it became a big part of the standard school curriculum. This was done because the generals who controlled Japan at that time sought a militarized society to crank out fanatical conscripts to conquer China and East Asia with. This manifested in fanatical loyalty, a willingness to die for their cause, and utter contempt and horrendous cruelty to every enemy, especially those who surrendered. When modern people think of Bushido in the west, they are usually thinking of this, or at least a cleaned up version of it [[Grimdark\|as the Imperial Japanese Army could be a rather nasty lot to say the least]].

	Anyone interested in the topic of Bushido would do well to check the book [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagakure The Hagakure] (or already has), given that in truth, actual comprehensive writings of the Bushido "code" are rare because it actually really wasn't, well, codified until many years since Samurai were last actually politically-relevant due to it being peaceful times - the Hagakure itself cannot be considered a sort of handbook to Bushido as it is actually a collection of musings from a samurai over the years who retired to be a monk that was written down by a younger friend who regularly met with him and only published it years after the old monk died...so it's basically a more-coherent-than-usual bunch of [[Dwarfs (Warhammer Fantasy)\|old-man's rants about how the kiddy Samurai these days are soft weaklings who can't cut their enemies down.]] It also extols being [[gay]].		Anyone interested in the topic of Bushido would do well to check the book [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagakure The Hagakure] (or already has), given that in truth, actual comprehensive writings of the Bushido "code" are rare because it actually really wasn't, well, codified until many years since Samurai were last actually politically-relevant due to it being peaceful times - the Hagakure itself cannot be considered a sort of handbook to Bushido as it is actually a collection of musings from a samurai over the years who retired to be a monk that was written down by a younger friend who regularly met with him and only published it years after the old monk died...so it's basically a more-coherent-than-usual bunch of [[Dwarfs (Warhammer Fantasy)\|old-man's rants about how the kiddy Samurai these days are soft weaklings who can't cut their enemies down.]] It also extols being [[gay]].

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Bushido

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	What many people get wrong about Bushido is that they assume it applied to samurai throughout history, when in reality it is something that became commonplace during the two and half centuries of peace of the Edo Jidai. It is quite easy to be a honorable warrior during peacetime. And once the chaotic years of the Bakumatsu set in, culminating in the Boshin War, the samurai quickly forgot about all this honor.		What many people get wrong about Bushido is that they assume it applied to samurai throughout history, when in reality it is something that became commonplace during the two and half centuries of peace of the Edo Jidai. It is quite easy to be a honorable warrior during peacetime. And once the chaotic years of the Bakumatsu set in, culminating in the Boshin War, the samurai quickly forgot about all this honor.

	During the 1920s through the end of World War II, this rough philosophy would be blown out of proportion and mixed with a heaping dose of nationalism, at which point it became a big part of the standard school curriculum. This was done because the generals who controlled Japan at that time sought a militarized society to crank out fanatical conscripts to conquer China and East Asia with. This manifested in fanatical loyalty, a willingness to die for their cause, and utter contempt and horrendous cruelty to every enemy. When modern people think of Bushido in the west, they are usually thinking of this, or at least a cleaned up version of it [[Grimdark\|as the Imperial Japanese Army could be a rather nasty lot to say the least]].		During the 1920s through the end of World War II, this rough philosophy would be blown out of proportion and mixed with a heaping dose of nationalism, at which point it became a big part of the standard school curriculum. This was done because the generals who controlled Japan at that time sought a militarized society to crank out fanatical conscripts to conquer China and East Asia with. This manifested in fanatical loyalty, a willingness to die for their cause, and utter contempt and horrendous cruelty to every enemy, especially those who did not surrender. When modern people think of Bushido in the west, they are usually thinking of this, or at least a cleaned up version of it [[Grimdark\|as the Imperial Japanese Army could be a rather nasty lot to say the least]].

	Anyone interested in the topic of Bushido would do well to check the book [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagakure The Hagakure] (or already has), given that in truth, actual comprehensive writings of the Bushido "code" are rare because it actually really wasn't, well, codified until many years since Samurai were last actually politically-relevant due to it being peaceful times - the Hagakure itself cannot be considered a sort of handbook to Bushido as it is actually a collection of musings from a samurai over the years who retired to be a monk that was written down by a younger friend who regularly met with him and only published it years after the old monk died...so it's basically a more-coherent-than-usual bunch of [[Dwarfs (Warhammer Fantasy)\|old-man's rants about how the kiddy Samurai these days are soft weaklings who can't cut their enemies down.]] It also extols being [[gay]].		Anyone interested in the topic of Bushido would do well to check the book [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagakure The Hagakure] (or already has), given that in truth, actual comprehensive writings of the Bushido "code" are rare because it actually really wasn't, well, codified until many years since Samurai were last actually politically-relevant due to it being peaceful times - the Hagakure itself cannot be considered a sort of handbook to Bushido as it is actually a collection of musings from a samurai over the years who retired to be a monk that was written down by a younger friend who regularly met with him and only published it years after the old monk died...so it's basically a more-coherent-than-usual bunch of [[Dwarfs (Warhammer Fantasy)\|old-man's rants about how the kiddy Samurai these days are soft weaklings who can't cut their enemies down.]] It also extols being [[gay]].

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	* [[Draconis Combine]]: Where you will find Space Samurai piloting Battlemechs with Katanas.		* [[Draconis Combine]]: Where you will find Space Samurai piloting Battlemechs with Katanas.
	* [[Samurai Jack]]: A FOOLISH SAMURAI THAT WIELDS A MAGIC SWORD MADE OUT OF PURE GOODNESS AGAINST AKU, THE DELIVERER OF DARKNESS, THE MASTER OF MASTERS, THE SHOGUN OF SORROW.		* [[Samurai Jack]]: A FOOLISH SAMURAI THAT WIELDS A MAGIC SWORD MADE OUT OF PURE GOODNESS AGAINST AKU, THE DELIVERER OF DARKNESS, THE MASTER OF MASTERS, THE SHOGUN OF SORROW.
			* [[Legend of the Five Rings]]: Samurai the setting.

	[[Category:History]] [[Category: Legend of the Five Rings]]		[[Category:History]] [[Category: Legend of the Five Rings]]

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	* [[Rising Sons]]: Samurai Space Marines		* [[Rising Sons]]: Samurai Space Marines
	* [[Elder Scrolls\|The Blades]]: The former protectors of the Emprah, who also hunting dragons with [[Katanas are Underpowered in d20\|samurai sword]].		* [[Elder Scrolls\|The Blades]]: The former protectors of the Emprah, who also hunting dragons with [[Katanas are Underpowered in d20\|samurai sword]].
			* [[Draconis Combine]]: Where you will find Space Samurai piloting Battlemechs with Katanas.
	* [[Samurai Jack]]: A FOOLISH SAMURAI THAT WIELDS A MAGIC SWORD MADE OUT OF PURE GOODNESS AGAINST AKU, THE DELIVERER OF DARKNESS, THE MASTER OF MASTERS, THE SHOGUN OF SORROW.		* [[Samurai Jack]]: A FOOLISH SAMURAI THAT WIELDS A MAGIC SWORD MADE OUT OF PURE GOODNESS AGAINST AKU, THE DELIVERER OF DARKNESS, THE MASTER OF MASTERS, THE SHOGUN OF SORROW.

	[[Category:History]] [[Category: Legend of the Five Rings]]		[[Category:History]] [[Category: Legend of the Five Rings]]