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1d4chan>Derpysaurus: Rearranging the redirects. Scout is way to broad.

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	[[~~Image:Space_Marine_Scouts.jpg\|right\|250px\|thumb\|[[Astartes Boltgun\|Bolter]] (& [[Chainsword]]) Scouts]]~~		#REDIRECT [[Scout Squad]]
	~~:''For the [[D&D]] [[class]], see [[Scout (D&D)]].~~

	{{Topquote\|Forget all your preconceptions of war, of battle-lines clashing in the churned ground. Your mission is to attack before the foe even realises that the war has begun, to strike hard at those vital weaknesses that all armies possess, but that no commander will admit to. Under my tutelage you will learn how to seek out such fragilities and smite them with every weapon at your disposal. Master these duties and I will have nothing more to teach, and you will truly be a Space Marine.\|Sergeant [[Torias Telion]]}}

	~~{{Topquote\|Grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, I hurt people.\|The~~ Scout~~, ''Team Fortress 2''}}~~

	In [[Space Marine]] Chapters that follow the [[Codex Astartes]], '''Scouts''' are Space Marines in training. They have not yet gained the Black Carapace, the [[gene-seed]] organ that allows a Marine to interface with his [[power armour]]. They are usually organized into squads in the Tenth Company, and are [[Reasonable Marines\|the only Marines that regularly wield sniper rifles or use camouflage]] (although, in some Chapters and the [[Deathwatch]], full Marines do use both). Fittingly, the [[Raven Guard]] use a lot of Scouts, since their combat doctrine centers around infiltration and sabotage. Once he serves about ten years as a Scout, the Space Marine receives his Black Carapace and power armour, and is sent off to the [[Devastator Squad]]s.

	They are led by a Sergeant, who is usually a member of a [[Tactical Squad]] that chooses to impart his wisdom to a younger generation, but may also be a Veteran Scout who refused the opportunity to become a full-fledged Space Marine. In the case of the [[Blood Ravens]], they are led by [[Steve Blum]] voicing an angsty, ineffectual dork, who he hopes one day to teach all the Blood Ravens to be angsty, ineffectual dorks. His most important lesson is to go out of the way to point out problems and question every solution as if it was the most inexperienced idea you've ever heard.

	Also, if you even say the word [[Meme\|"bonk"]] within a hundred feet of an [[Angry Marine]] Scout with a Power Bat, he will beat you so hard you won't know which end of your sternum you're looking through.

	Back in the times of the Great Crusade however, the Space Marine Legions didn't have Scouts at all. Instead they had the even better Legion [[Reconnaissance Squad]]s. Instead of being made out of simple Neophytes that were to experience their tour of actual combat, Legion Reconnaissance Squads were made out of experts at reconnaissance, intel gathering, guerilla warfare, assassinations and sabotage. If they were fighting along their brethren on the battlefield, then they'd become flankers and wreck havoc and confusion among the enemy's ranks. The [[Primaris Space Marines\|Primaris]] would revive this concept with [[Eliminator]]s.
	~~[[Image:SpaceMarineScouts.png\|left\|250px\|thumb\|[[Sniper Rifle\|Sniper]] (& [[Missile Launcher#Missile Launcher\|Missile Launcher]]) Scouts]]~~
	~~=== A history of stat lines ===~~
	~~So how mighty is the Scout, as Junior Marine, on a stat line basis? Well, he has always gotten slightly worse armour, due to not being power armoured.~~

	In 2E's Codex Imperialis and Codex Ultramarines, Scouts had M4 WS4 BS3 S4 T3 W1 I4 A1 Ld7, which made then as good at punching as Space Marines (as Tactical Marines had 4 in all stats besides W and A was the space marine), but not as good at taking punches or shooting shit and they were slightly more prone to breaking when compared to their full brothers.
	~~3rd Edition saw the Scouts get a good buff by becoming nearly-identical statwise to Tacticals, with the exception of their armor and loadouts.~~
	~~[[Image:Raptors_Scout_Marine.jpg\|right\|150px\|thumb\|Scouts from the [[Raptors (Chapter)\|Raptors]] chapter.]]~~

	It was only around 5th where the Scout predilection for shooting came to the fore with WS3 and BS4. This made them guardsmen when it comes to punching things but space marines in the wounding. By 6th edition, all scouts/claws had space marine muscles, but had the finesse of a guardsman. When the Space Wolf and Blood Angel codices continued the trend, everyone expected this to hold through the edition. Then the Space Marine Codex dropped. At no point increase on anything, scouts and anything scout related got WS/BS 4. The Dark Angel codex dropped as well, with the same stat line boost as the Space Marine codex, and free access to Grim Resolve (i.e. Chapter Tactics for Dark Angels). This led to half of the Adeptus Astartes books having junior Marines with WS/BS 4. Meanwhile, the Space Wolves' Sky and Blood Claws get Rage and the old statline. It's still full of [[derp]], as this makes their power armor and frothing rabid rage offset their inexperience.

	This leads us to 8th. Here, scouts remain equivalent to marines in stats while keeping their sneaky in different ways. ''Camo Cloak'' lets them add +2 to their save when they get shot from cover, which gives them durability equal to a similarly concealed marine. ''Concealed Positions'' pretty much is the old Scout USR, allowing a Scout unit to deploy anywhere on the board, so long as it's at least 9" away from an enemy unit.

	~~=== I Can't Believe It's Not A Scout™ ===~~

	~~Though using Neophytes as Scouts was established when the [[Emperor]] formed the [[Legiones Astartes]], not all [[Chapter]]s utilize them as Scouts:~~
	*'''[[Space Wolves]] Wolf Scout:''' Scouts in the Space Wolves are bitter, experienced veterans taken from the Grey Hunters (the Space Wolves equivalent of the Tactical Marines); most of them are introverts that find it hard to fit in with the rest of the (incredibly gregarious) Space Wolves and prefer to operate more-or-less alone. New recruits are put in [[Blood Claw\|Blood Claw squads]] instead.

	*'''[[Black Templars]] Neophytes:''' The Black Templars are too cool to use Scouts. Instead, when an Initiate (the Black Templar equivalent of a Tactical Marine) decides he has learned enough, he takes on a Marine-in-training, referred to as Neophytes, which are then mixed into Crusader squads. This is nominally to pass the experience of an Initiate to a Neophyte, but in reality, the Neophytes just make amazing meatshields. And weapons caddies.

	~~[[Category: Warhammer 40,000]]~~

	~~[[Category: Imperial]]~~

	~~[[Category: Space Marines]]~~

	~~[[Category: Official Space Marine Chapters]]~~

	~~[[Category: Blood Angels]]~~

	~~[[Category: Dark Angels]]~~

	~~{{Marines-Forces}}~~

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	[[Image:Space_Marine_Scouts.jpg\|right\|250px\|thumb\|Bolter (& Chainsword) Scouts]]		[[Image:Space_Marine_Scouts.jpg\|right\|250px\|thumb\|[[Astartes Boltgun\|Bolter]] (& [[Chainsword]]) Scouts]]
	:''For the [[D&D]] [[class]], see [[Scout (D&D)]].		:''For the [[D&D]] [[class]], see [[Scout (D&D)]].

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	Back in the times of the Great Crusade however, the Space Marine Legions didn't have Scouts at all. Instead they had the even better Legion [[Reconnaissance Squad]]s. Instead of being made out of simple Neophytes that were to experience their tour of actual combat, Legion Reconnaissance Squads were made out of experts at reconnaissance, intel gathering, guerilla warfare, assassinations and sabotage. If they were fighting along their brethren on the battlefield, then they'd become flankers and wreck havoc and confusion among the enemy's ranks. The [[Primaris Space Marines\|Primaris]] would revive this concept with [[Eliminator]]s.		Back in the times of the Great Crusade however, the Space Marine Legions didn't have Scouts at all. Instead they had the even better Legion [[Reconnaissance Squad]]s. Instead of being made out of simple Neophytes that were to experience their tour of actual combat, Legion Reconnaissance Squads were made out of experts at reconnaissance, intel gathering, guerilla warfare, assassinations and sabotage. If they were fighting along their brethren on the battlefield, then they'd become flankers and wreck havoc and confusion among the enemy's ranks. The [[Primaris Space Marines\|Primaris]] would revive this concept with [[Eliminator]]s.
	[[Image:SpaceMarineScouts.png\|left\|250px\|thumb\|Sniper (& ~~Rocket~~ Launcher) Scouts]]		[[Image:SpaceMarineScouts.png\|left\|250px\|thumb\|[[Sniper Rifle\|Sniper]] (& [[Missile Launcher#Missile Launcher\|Missile Launcher]]) Scouts]]
	=== A history of stat lines ===		=== A history of stat lines ===
	So how mighty is the Scout, as Junior Marine, on a stat line basis? Well, he has always gotten slightly worse armour, due to not being power armoured.		So how mighty is the Scout, as Junior Marine, on a stat line basis? Well, he has always gotten slightly worse armour, due to not being power armoured.
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	This leads us to 8th. Here, scouts remain equivalent to marines in stats while keeping their sneaky in different ways. ''Camo Cloak'' lets them add +2 to their save when they get shot from cover, which gives them durability equal to a similarly concealed marine. ''Concealed Positions'' pretty much is the old Scout USR, allowing a Scout unit to deploy anywhere on the board, so long as it's at least 9" away from an enemy unit.		This leads us to 8th. Here, scouts remain equivalent to marines in stats while keeping their sneaky in different ways. ''Camo Cloak'' lets them add +2 to their save when they get shot from cover, which gives them durability equal to a similarly concealed marine. ''Concealed Positions'' pretty much is the old Scout USR, allowing a Scout unit to deploy anywhere on the board, so long as it's at least 9" away from an enemy unit.

	~~{{clear}}~~

	=== I Can't Believe It's Not A Scout™ ===		=== I Can't Believe It's Not A Scout™ ===

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	[[Image:SpaceMarineScouts.png\|left\|250px\|thumb\|Sniper (& Rocket Launcher) Scouts]]		[[Image:SpaceMarineScouts.png\|left\|250px\|thumb\|Sniper (& Rocket Launcher) Scouts]]
	=== A history of stat lines ===		=== A history of stat lines ===
	So how mighty is the Scout, as Junior Marine, on a stat line basis? Well, he has always gotten slightly ~~less good~~ armour, due to not being power armoured.		So how mighty is the Scout, as Junior Marine, on a stat line basis? Well, he has always gotten slightly worse armour, due to not being power armoured.

	In 2E's Codex Imperialis and Codex Ultramarines, Scouts had M4 WS4 BS3 S4 T3 W1 I4 A1 Ld7, which made then as good at punching as Space Marines (as Tactical Marines had 4 in all stats besides W and A was the space marine), but not as good at taking punches or shooting shit and they were slightly more prone to breaking when compared to their full brothers.		In 2E's Codex Imperialis and Codex Ultramarines, Scouts had M4 WS4 BS3 S4 T3 W1 I4 A1 Ld7, which made then as good at punching as Space Marines (as Tactical Marines had 4 in all stats besides W and A was the space marine), but not as good at taking punches or shooting shit and they were slightly more prone to breaking when compared to their full brothers.

1d4chan>Ћ Professional: /* I Can't Believe It's Not A Scout™ */

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	=== I Can't Believe It's Not A Scout™ ===		=== I Can't Believe It's Not A Scout™ ===

	Though using Neophytes as Scouts was established when the [[Emperor]] formed the [[Legiones Astartes]], not all [[Chapter]]s utilize them as Scouts:		Though using Neophytes as Scouts was established when the [[Emperor]] formed the [[Legiones Astartes]], not all [[Chapter]]s utilize them as Scouts:
	*'''[[Space Wolves]] Wolf Scout:''' Scouts in the Space Wolves are bitter, experienced veterans taken from the Grey Hunters (the Space Wolves equivalent of the Tactical Marines); most of them are introverts that find it hard to fit in with the rest of the (incredibly gregarious) Space Wolves and prefer to operate more-or-less alone. New recruits are put in [[Blood Claw\|Blood Claw squads]] instead.		*'''[[Space Wolves]] Wolf Scout:''' Scouts in the Space Wolves are bitter, experienced veterans taken from the Grey Hunters (the Space Wolves equivalent of the Tactical Marines); most of them are introverts that find it hard to fit in with the rest of the (incredibly gregarious) Space Wolves and prefer to operate more-or-less alone. New recruits are put in [[Blood Claw\|Blood Claw squads]] instead.

	*'''[[Black Templars]] Neophytes:''' The Black Templars are too cool to use Scouts. Instead, when an Initiate (the Black Templar equivalent of a Tactical Marine) decides he has learned enough, he takes on a Marine-in-training, referred to as Neophytes, which are then mixed into Crusader squads. This is nominally to pass the experience of an Initiate to a Neophyte, but in reality, the Neophytes just make amazing meatshields. And weapons caddies.		*'''[[Black Templars]] Neophytes:''' The Black Templars are too cool to use Scouts. Instead, when an Initiate (the Black Templar equivalent of a Tactical Marine) decides he has learned enough, he takes on a Marine-in-training, referred to as Neophytes, which are then mixed into Crusader squads. This is nominally to pass the experience of an Initiate to a Neophyte, but in reality, the Neophytes just make amazing meatshields. And weapons caddies.

			[[Category: Warhammer 40,000]]

			[[Category: Imperial]]

			[[Category: Space Marines]]

			[[Category: Official Space Marine Chapters]]

			[[Category: Blood Angels]]

			[[Category: Dark Angels]]

	{{Marines-Forces}}		{{Marines-Forces}}

	{{Blood Angels}}		{{Blood Angels}}

	{{Dark Angels}}		{{Dark Angels}}

177.134.68.111 at 17:05, 10 July 2020

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	In 2E's Codex Imperialis and Codex Ultramarines, Scouts had M4 WS4 BS3 S4 T3 W1 I4 A1 Ld7, which made then as good at punching as Space Marines (as Tactical Marines had 4 in all stats besides W and A was the space marine), but not as good at taking punches or shooting shit and they were slightly more prone to breaking when compared to their full brothers.		In 2E's Codex Imperialis and Codex Ultramarines, Scouts had M4 WS4 BS3 S4 T3 W1 I4 A1 Ld7, which made then as good at punching as Space Marines (as Tactical Marines had 4 in all stats besides W and A was the space marine), but not as good at taking punches or shooting shit and they were slightly more prone to breaking when compared to their full brothers.
	3rd Edition saw the Scouts get a good buff by becoming nearly-identical statwise to Tacticals, with the exception of their armor and loadouts.		3rd Edition saw the Scouts get a good buff by becoming nearly-identical statwise to Tacticals, with the exception of their armor and loadouts.
			[[Image:Raptors_Scout_Marine.jpg\|right\|150px\|thumb\|Scouts from the [[Raptors (Chapter)\|Raptors]] chapter.]]

	It was only around 5th where the Scout predilection for shooting came to the fore with WS3 and BS4. This made them guardsmen when it comes to punching things but space marines in the wounding. By 6th edition, all scouts/claws had space marine muscles, but had the finesse of a guardsman. When the Space Wolf and Blood Angel codices continued the trend, everyone expected this to hold through the edition. Then the Space Marine Codex dropped. At no point increase on anything, scouts and anything scout related got WS/BS 4. The Dark Angel codex dropped as well, with the same stat line boost as the Space Marine codex, and free access to Grim Resolve (i.e. Chapter Tactics for Dark Angels). This led to half of the Adeptus Astartes books having junior Marines with WS/BS 4. Meanwhile, the Space Wolves' Sky and Blood Claws get Rage and the old statline. It's still full of [[derp]], as this makes their power armor and frothing rabid rage offset their inexperience.		It was only around 5th where the Scout predilection for shooting came to the fore with WS3 and BS4. This made them guardsmen when it comes to punching things but space marines in the wounding. By 6th edition, all scouts/claws had space marine muscles, but had the finesse of a guardsman. When the Space Wolf and Blood Angel codices continued the trend, everyone expected this to hold through the edition. Then the Space Marine Codex dropped. At no point increase on anything, scouts and anything scout related got WS/BS 4. The Dark Angel codex dropped as well, with the same stat line boost as the Space Marine codex, and free access to Grim Resolve (i.e. Chapter Tactics for Dark Angels). This led to half of the Adeptus Astartes books having junior Marines with WS/BS 4. Meanwhile, the Space Wolves' Sky and Blood Claws get Rage and the old statline. It's still full of [[derp]], as this makes their power armor and frothing rabid rage offset their inexperience.

1d4chan>Death Korps of Krieg Soldier at 18:00, 2 May 2020

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	{{Topquote\|Forget all your preconceptions of war, of battle-lines clashing in the churned ground. Your mission is to attack before the foe even realises that the war has begun, to strike hard at those vital weaknesses that all armies possess, but that no commander will admit to. Under my tutelage you will learn how to seek out such fragilities and smite them with every weapon at your disposal. Master these duties and I will have nothing more to teach, and you will truly be a Space Marine.\|Sergeant [[Torias Telion]]}}		{{Topquote\|Forget all your preconceptions of war, of battle-lines clashing in the churned ground. Your mission is to attack before the foe even realises that the war has begun, to strike hard at those vital weaknesses that all armies possess, but that no commander will admit to. Under my tutelage you will learn how to seek out such fragilities and smite them with every weapon at your disposal. Master these duties and I will have nothing more to teach, and you will truly be a Space Marine.\|Sergeant [[Torias Telion]]}}

	{{Topquote\|Grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, I hurt people.\|The Scout}}		{{Topquote\|Grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, I hurt people.\|The Scout, ''Team Fortress 2''}}

	In [[Space Marine]] Chapters that follow the [[Codex Astartes]], '''Scouts''' are Space Marines in training. They have not yet gained the Black Carapace, the [[gene-seed]] organ that allows a Marine to interface with his [[power armour]]. They are usually organized into squads in the Tenth Company, and are [[Reasonable Marines\|the only Marines that regularly wield sniper rifles or use camouflage]] (although, in some Chapters and the [[Deathwatch]], full Marines do use both). Fittingly, the [[Raven Guard]] use a lot of Scouts, since their combat doctrine centers around infiltration and sabotage. Once he serves about ten years as a Scout, the Space Marine receives his Black Carapace and power armour, and is sent off to the [[Devastator Squad]]s.		In [[Space Marine]] Chapters that follow the [[Codex Astartes]], '''Scouts''' are Space Marines in training. They have not yet gained the Black Carapace, the [[gene-seed]] organ that allows a Marine to interface with his [[power armour]]. They are usually organized into squads in the Tenth Company, and are [[Reasonable Marines\|the only Marines that regularly wield sniper rifles or use camouflage]] (although, in some Chapters and the [[Deathwatch]], full Marines do use both). Fittingly, the [[Raven Guard]] use a lot of Scouts, since their combat doctrine centers around infiltration and sabotage. Once he serves about ten years as a Scout, the Space Marine receives his Black Carapace and power armour, and is sent off to the [[Devastator Squad]]s.

1d4chan>ThatOneBruvva at 20:14, 31 January 2020

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	:''For the [[D&D]] [[class]], see [[Scout (D&D)]].		:''For the [[D&D]] [[class]], see [[Scout (D&D)]].

	{{Topquote\|Forget all your preconceptions of war, of battle-lines clashing in the churned ground. Your mission is to attack before the foe even realises that the war has begun, to strike hard at those vital weaknesses that all armies possess, but that no commander will admit to. Under my tutelage you will learn how to seek out such fragilities and smite them with every weapon at your disposal. Master these duties and I will have nothing more to teach, and you will truly be a Space Marine.\|Sergeant Torias Telion}}		{{Topquote\|Forget all your preconceptions of war, of battle-lines clashing in the churned ground. Your mission is to attack before the foe even realises that the war has begun, to strike hard at those vital weaknesses that all armies possess, but that no commander will admit to. Under my tutelage you will learn how to seek out such fragilities and smite them with every weapon at your disposal. Master these duties and I will have nothing more to teach, and you will truly be a Space Marine.\|Sergeant [[Torias Telion]]}}

	{{Topquote\|Grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, I hurt people.\|Scout}}		{{Topquote\|Grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, I hurt people.\|The Scout}}

	In [[Space Marine]] Chapters that follow the [[Codex Astartes]], '''Scouts''' are Space Marines in training. They have not yet gained the Black Carapace, the [[gene-seed]] organ that allows a Marine to interface with his [[power armour]]. They are usually organized into squads in the Tenth Company, and are [[Reasonable Marines\|the only Marines that regularly wield sniper rifles or use camouflage]] (although, in some Chapters and the [[Deathwatch]], full Marines do use both). Fittingly, the [[Raven Guard]] use a lot of Scouts, since their combat doctrine centers around infiltration and sabotage. Once he serves about ten years as a Scout, the Space Marine receives his Black Carapace and power armour, and is sent off to the [[Devastator Squad]]s.		In [[Space Marine]] Chapters that follow the [[Codex Astartes]], '''Scouts''' are Space Marines in training. They have not yet gained the Black Carapace, the [[gene-seed]] organ that allows a Marine to interface with his [[power armour]]. They are usually organized into squads in the Tenth Company, and are [[Reasonable Marines\|the only Marines that regularly wield sniper rifles or use camouflage]] (although, in some Chapters and the [[Deathwatch]], full Marines do use both). Fittingly, the [[Raven Guard]] use a lot of Scouts, since their combat doctrine centers around infiltration and sabotage. Once he serves about ten years as a Scout, the Space Marine receives his Black Carapace and power armour, and is sent off to the [[Devastator Squad]]s.
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	[[Image:SpaceMarineScouts.png\|left\|250px\|thumb\|Sniper (& Rocket Launcher) Scouts]]		[[Image:SpaceMarineScouts.png\|left\|250px\|thumb\|Sniper (& Rocket Launcher) Scouts]]
	=== A history of stat lines ===		=== A history of stat lines ===
	So how mighty is the Scout, as Junior Marine, on a stat line basis? Well, he has always gotten slightly less good armour, due to not power armouring. In codex Imperialis and Codex Ultramarines, Scouts had M4 WS4 BS3 S4 T3 W1 I4 A1 Ld7, which made then as good at punching as Space Marines (assuming 4 all besides W and A was the space marine), but not as good at taking punches or shooting shit. In 5th edition, Scouts traded their Weapon Skill for their Toughness, and probably got a buff to leadership. Making them guardsmen when it comes to hitting things but space marines in the wounding. By 6th edition, all scouts/claws had space marine muscles, but had the finesse of a guardsman. When the Space Wolf and Blood Angel codices continued the trend, everyone expected this to hold through the edition. Then the Space Marine Codex dropped. At no point increase on anything, scouts and anything scout related got WS/BS 4. The Dark Angel codex dropped as well, with the same stat line boost as the Space Marine codex, and free access to Grim Resolve (i.e. Chapter Tactics for Dark Angels). As of current with all 7th edition codex released, half of the Adeptus Astartes books have junior Marines with WS/BS 4. This may be fair for Space Wolves, because blood and sky claws get Rage. It's still full of [[derp]], as while the matching S and T make sense (the black carapace they lack would let them keep abilities like Move Through Cover in Power Armor if Gee Dubs bothered implementing it), by definition they have way less experience than non-newb Marines and should be worse at getting shit done.		So how mighty is the Scout, as Junior Marine, on a stat line basis? Well, he has always gotten slightly less good armour, due to not being power armoured.

	~~All of this is of course forgetting that~~ in ~~4th~~ Edition Scouts had WS/BS of 4 ~~to go along~~ with ~~S/T 4~~, ~~so if anything 5th Edition was a nerf~~ and ~~7th restored them~~ to ~~their rightful place~~ of ~~being useful. To go along~~ with ~~the fact that a~~ WS/BS of ~~4 actually~~ makes ~~sense for a group that doesn~~'t get to ~~stop being Scouts until~~ a ~~slot opens up in~~ a ~~Company~~.		In 2E's Codex Imperialis and Codex Ultramarines, Scouts had M4 WS4 BS3 S4 T3 W1 I4 A1 Ld7, which made then as good at punching as Space Marines (as Tactical Marines had 4 in all stats besides W and A was the space marine), but not as good at taking punches or shooting shit and they were slightly more prone to breaking when compared to their full brothers.
			3rd Edition saw the Scouts get a good buff by becoming nearly-identical statwise to Tacticals, with the exception of their armor and loadouts.

			It was only around 5th where the Scout predilection for shooting came to the fore with WS3 and BS4. This made them guardsmen when it comes to punching things but space marines in the wounding. By 6th edition, all scouts/claws had space marine muscles, but had the finesse of a guardsman. When the Space Wolf and Blood Angel codices continued the trend, everyone expected this to hold through the edition. Then the Space Marine Codex dropped. At no point increase on anything, scouts and anything scout related got WS/BS 4. The Dark Angel codex dropped as well, with the same stat line boost as the Space Marine codex, and free access to Grim Resolve (i.e. Chapter Tactics for Dark Angels). This led to half of the Adeptus Astartes books having junior Marines with WS/BS 4. Meanwhile, the Space Wolves' Sky and Blood Claws get Rage and the old statline. It's still full of [[derp]], as this makes their power armor and frothing rabid rage offset their inexperience.

			This leads us to 8th. Here, scouts remain equivalent to marines in stats while keeping their sneaky in different ways. ''Camo Cloak'' lets them add +2 to their save when they get shot from cover, which gives them durability equal to a similarly concealed marine. ''Concealed Positions'' pretty much is the old Scout USR, allowing a Scout unit to deploy anywhere on the board, so long as it's at least 9" away from an enemy unit.

	{{clear}}		{{clear}}

149.150.200.102 at 19:30, 31 January 2020

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	[[Image:Space_Marine_Scouts.jpg\|right\|250px\|thumb\|Bolter (& Chainsword) Scouts]]		[[Image:Space_Marine_Scouts.jpg\|right\|250px\|thumb\|Bolter (& Chainsword) Scouts]]
	:''For the [[D&D]] [[class]], see [[Scout (D&D)]].		:''For the [[D&D]] [[class]], see [[Scout (D&D)]].

			{{Topquote\|Forget all your preconceptions of war, of battle-lines clashing in the churned ground. Your mission is to attack before the foe even realises that the war has begun, to strike hard at those vital weaknesses that all armies possess, but that no commander will admit to. Under my tutelage you will learn how to seek out such fragilities and smite them with every weapon at your disposal. Master these duties and I will have nothing more to teach, and you will truly be a Space Marine.\|Sergeant Torias Telion}}

			{{Topquote\|Grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, I hurt people.\|Scout}}

	In [[Space Marine]] Chapters that follow the [[Codex Astartes]], '''Scouts''' are Space Marines in training. They have not yet gained the Black Carapace, the [[gene-seed]] organ that allows a Marine to interface with his [[power armour]]. They are usually organized into squads in the Tenth Company, and are [[Reasonable Marines\|the only Marines that regularly wield sniper rifles or use camouflage]] (although, in some Chapters and the [[Deathwatch]], full Marines do use both). Fittingly, the [[Raven Guard]] use a lot of Scouts, since their combat doctrine centers around infiltration and sabotage. Once he serves about ten years as a Scout, the Space Marine receives his Black Carapace and power armour, and is sent off to the [[Devastator Squad]]s.		In [[Space Marine]] Chapters that follow the [[Codex Astartes]], '''Scouts''' are Space Marines in training. They have not yet gained the Black Carapace, the [[gene-seed]] organ that allows a Marine to interface with his [[power armour]]. They are usually organized into squads in the Tenth Company, and are [[Reasonable Marines\|the only Marines that regularly wield sniper rifles or use camouflage]] (although, in some Chapters and the [[Deathwatch]], full Marines do use both). Fittingly, the [[Raven Guard]] use a lot of Scouts, since their combat doctrine centers around infiltration and sabotage. Once he serves about ten years as a Scout, the Space Marine receives his Black Carapace and power armour, and is sent off to the [[Devastator Squad]]s.

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	{{Topquote\|Forget all your preconceptions of war, of battle-lines clashing in the churned ground. Your mission is to attack before the foe even realises that the war has begun, to strike hard at those vital weaknesses that all armies possess, but that no commander will admit to. Under my tutelage you will learn how to seek out such fragilities and smite them with every weapon at your disposal. Master these duties and I will have nothing more to teach, and you will truly be a Space Marine.\|Sergeant [[Torias Telion]]}}		{{Topquote\|Forget all your preconceptions of war, of battle-lines clashing in the churned ground. Your mission is to attack before the foe even realises that the war has begun, to strike hard at those vital weaknesses that all armies possess, but that no commander will admit to. Under my tutelage you will learn how to seek out such fragilities and smite them with every weapon at your disposal. Master these duties and I will have nothing more to teach, and you will truly be a Space Marine.\|Sergeant [[Torias Telion]]}}

	{{Topquote\|Grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, I hurt people.\|The Scout}}		{{Topquote\|Grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, I hurt people.\|The Scout, ''Team Fortress 2''}}

	In [[Space Marine]] Chapters that follow the [[Codex Astartes]], '''Scouts''' are Space Marines in training. They have not yet gained the Black Carapace, the [[gene-seed]] organ that allows a Marine to interface with his [[power armour]]. They are usually organized into squads in the Tenth Company, and are [[Reasonable Marines\|the only Marines that regularly wield sniper rifles or use camouflage]] (although, in some Chapters and the [[Deathwatch]], full Marines do use both). Fittingly, the [[Raven Guard]] use a lot of Scouts, since their combat doctrine centers around infiltration and sabotage. Once he serves about ten years as a Scout, the Space Marine receives his Black Carapace and power armour, and is sent off to the [[Devastator Squad]]s.		In [[Space Marine]] Chapters that follow the [[Codex Astartes]], '''Scouts''' are Space Marines in training. They have not yet gained the Black Carapace, the [[gene-seed]] organ that allows a Marine to interface with his [[power armour]]. They are usually organized into squads in the Tenth Company, and are [[Reasonable Marines\|the only Marines that regularly wield sniper rifles or use camouflage]] (although, in some Chapters and the [[Deathwatch]], full Marines do use both). Fittingly, the [[Raven Guard]] use a lot of Scouts, since their combat doctrine centers around infiltration and sabotage. Once he serves about ten years as a Scout, the Space Marine receives his Black Carapace and power armour, and is sent off to the [[Devastator Squad]]s.