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1d4chan>Derpysaurus: /* The TV Show */ It has been more than a year now and consensus is that it is a dumpster fire. A hilarious dumpster fire.

2022-12-29T10:59:25Z

The TV Show: It has been more than a year now and consensus is that it is a dumpster fire. A hilarious dumpster fire.

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	*The new SPARTANs. It helps that two of them (Soren and Vannak) feel in some ways ''more'' like the game/book Master Chief than the Silver Timeline one does.		*The new SPARTANs. It helps that two of them (Soren and Vannak) feel in some ways ''more'' like the game/book Master Chief than the Silver Timeline one does.

	~~For now though~~, ~~its still pretty early~~ to ~~say where~~ the ~~show~~ will go. Either way, it no doubt helps Paramount+ that this show is its own canon, making it easier to ignore if you're not a fan, and giving them more freedom to <s>muck up the lore</s> do their own thing with the franchise.		The series has basically become ''[[Star Wars\|The Rise of Skywalker]]'' of video game adaptations, [[Fail\|which is one hell of a feat]]. Dumpster fire does not cut it out, it is more akin to the Firebombing of Tokyo in terms of how much the adaptation shat on the franchise. This is like, [[CS Goto\|CS Goto's levels of horrid fan-fic]]; the Shyamalana-ding-dong of [[Cringe\|cringy adaptations]] if you will. The most hardened of Halo fans would understandably get a brain aneurysm if they hear this within ear shot, but more casual or oldschool fans just found the adaptation to range from "So bad its good" to "So boring its meh". Either way, it no doubt helps Paramount+ that this show is its own canon, making it easier to ignore if you're not a fan, and giving them more freedom to <s>muck up the lore</s> do their own thing with the franchise.

	==Codex: The Covenant==		==Codex: The Covenant==

1d4chan>Derpysaurus at 10:47, 29 December 2022

2022-12-29T10:47:13Z

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	It is worth noting that Halo ever since its inception of its sequel, Halo 2, has been a proud sponsor of every [[Neckbeards]] elixir of life that is....[[Mountain Dew]], as well as the other sacred food item of Doritos. So don't be surprise when you see Mountain Dew and Doritos advertisement being shoved down your face whenever you want to buy any merchandise from Halo. Trying to say anything bad on these food products made from diabetes, sugar, acid and Ork piss is Halo's equivalent of [[Heresy]], you have been warned.		It is worth noting that Halo ever since its inception of its sequel, Halo 2, has been a proud sponsor of every [[Neckbeards]] elixir of life that is....[[Mountain Dew]], as well as the other sacred food item of Doritos. So don't be surprise when you see Mountain Dew and Doritos advertisement being shoved down your face whenever you want to buy any merchandise from Halo. Trying to say anything bad on these food products made from diabetes, sugar, acid and Ork piss is Halo's equivalent of [[Heresy]], you have been warned.

	Halo as previously mentioned has a bloody massive universe (multiverse?) encompassing not only games, but also short films (Both live action and animated), music (One of the first vidya games whose soundtrack was good enough to earn multiple awards by itself), tabletop games, merchandises, mega block toys, figurines, nerf guns and even [[Anime\|animu.]] Much like [[Warhammer 40,000\|40K]] there are 3 major fan wikis: [https://www.halopedia.org/ Halopedia], [http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Halo Nation] (combined into Halopedia with the rest transforming into Halo Alpha) and [http://unhalo.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Gruntipedia]; and much like 40K they fall into the respective archetypes of 'obsessively detailed fan wiki', 'ad-ridden Wikia knockoff' and '1d4chan with even worse humour and fan rage'. ~~(Last ones dead now, Halo Nations suffered some kind~~ of ~~seizure~~, ~~its just Halopedia left)~~		Halo as previously mentioned has a bloody massive universe (multiverse?) encompassing not only games, but also short films (Both live action and animated), music (One of the first vidya games whose soundtrack was good enough to earn multiple awards by itself), tabletop games, merchandises, mega block toys, figurines, nerf guns and even [[Anime\|animu.]] Much like [[Warhammer 40,000\|40K]] there are 3 major fan wikis: [https://www.halopedia.org/ Halopedia], [http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Halo Nation] (combined into Halopedia with the rest transforming into Halo Alpha) and [http://unhalo.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Gruntipedia]; and much like 40K they fall into the respective archetypes of 'obsessively detailed fan wiki', 'ad-ridden Wikia knockoff' and '1d4chan with even worse humour and fan rage'. Although Gruntipedia can be excused for being a product of the early 2000s Internet shitposting era, so a time capsule if you will.

	==Setting==		==Setting==

1d4chan>Derpysaurus at 10:44, 29 December 2022

2022-12-29T10:44:54Z

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	It is worth noting that Halo ever since its inception of its sequel, Halo 2, has been a proud sponsor of every [[Neckbeards]] elixir of life that is....[[Mountain Dew]], as well as the other sacred food item of Doritos. So don't be surprise when you see Mountain Dew and Doritos advertisement being shoved down your face whenever you want to buy any merchandise from Halo. Trying to say anything bad on these food products made from diabetes, sugar, acid and Ork piss is Halo's equivalent of [[Heresy]], you have been warned.		It is worth noting that Halo ever since its inception of its sequel, Halo 2, has been a proud sponsor of every [[Neckbeards]] elixir of life that is....[[Mountain Dew]], as well as the other sacred food item of Doritos. So don't be surprise when you see Mountain Dew and Doritos advertisement being shoved down your face whenever you want to buy any merchandise from Halo. Trying to say anything bad on these food products made from diabetes, sugar, acid and Ork piss is Halo's equivalent of [[Heresy]], you have been warned.

	Halo as previously mentioned has a bloody massive universe (multiverse?) encompassing not only games, but also short films (Both live action and animated), music (One of the first vidya games whose soundtrack was good enough to earn multiple awards by itself), tabletop games, merchandises, mega block toys, figurines, nerf guns and even [[Anime\|animu.]] Much like [[Warhammer 40,000\|40K]] there are 3 major fan wikis: [https://www.halopedia.org/ Halopedia], [http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Halo Nation] (~~soon to be~~ combined into Halopedia) and [http://unhalo.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Gruntipedia]; and much like 40K they fall into the respective archetypes of 'obsessively detailed fan wiki', 'ad-ridden Wikia knockoff' and '1d4chan with even worse humour and fan rage'. (Last ones dead now, Halo Nations suffered some kind of seizure, its just Halopedia left)		Halo as previously mentioned has a bloody massive universe (multiverse?) encompassing not only games, but also short films (Both live action and animated), music (One of the first vidya games whose soundtrack was good enough to earn multiple awards by itself), tabletop games, merchandises, mega block toys, figurines, nerf guns and even [[Anime\|animu.]] Much like [[Warhammer 40,000\|40K]] there are 3 major fan wikis: [https://www.halopedia.org/ Halopedia], [http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Halo Nation] (combined into Halopedia with the rest transforming into Halo Alpha) and [http://unhalo.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Gruntipedia]; and much like 40K they fall into the respective archetypes of 'obsessively detailed fan wiki', 'ad-ridden Wikia knockoff' and '1d4chan with even worse humour and fan rage'. (Last ones dead now, Halo Nations suffered some kind of seizure, its just Halopedia left)

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1d4chan>Derpysaurus: Updated the unfortunate news of Greg Bear.

2022-12-29T10:42:55Z

Updated the unfortunate news of Greg Bear.

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	/tg/ isn't big on ''Halo'' and topics pertaining to ''Halo'' will normally be saged, trolled, told to go to /v/, or some combination therein. On /v/ however, ''Halo'' is... still widely hated. Then again, /v/ hates video games in general. The hatred of /tg/ comes less from the actual game/gameplay, and more from it being off-topic and a few fanboys being asshats. <s>Though this also may be due to the fact Halo fans have Cortana to fap to while fa/tg/uys are stuck with fapping to the Emprah</s> <span style='color:red;front-size:115%'><strike>{{BLAM\|HERESY!}}</strike><span style='color:purple;front-size:115%'>WORT WORT WORT! GLASSED		/tg/ isn't big on ''Halo'' and topics pertaining to ''Halo'' will normally be saged, trolled, told to go to /v/, or some combination therein. On /v/ however, ''Halo'' is... still widely hated. Then again, /v/ hates video games in general. The hatred of /tg/ comes less from the actual game/gameplay, and more from it being off-topic and a few fanboys being asshats. <s>Though this also may be due to the fact Halo fans have Cortana to fap to while fa/tg/uys are stuck with fapping to the Emprah</s> <span style='color:red;front-size:115%'><strike>{{BLAM\|HERESY!}}</strike><span style='color:purple;front-size:115%'>WORT WORT WORT! GLASSED

	Like Warhammer 40k the state of Halo's fluff has been in limbo, while Halo may have fucking spectacular authors on the line of Greg Bear and Eric Nylund (and more recently Troy Denning) it also has its fair share of colossal fuck ups in the line of [[Fail\|Brian Reed]] (who some believe to be the series equivalent of The Beast Himself) and [[Rage\|Karen Traviss.]] Don't even get us started with the advent of 343i and [[Skub\|their mixed bag success]] on the Reclaimer saga as well as Halo's more...questionable marketing campaigns. Ironically, while the more recent games has been bait for [[Rage\|flamewars that will send any respectable forum thread into lock down, even off 4chan,]] Halo's transition to tabletop gaming after some [[Fail\|failed]] attempts like Halo Actionclix (Which is a shame cause while the game rules sucked, the models was in such high quality that it even outshines some high priced models from [[Forgeworld]]) has been more positively received, what with the fact that hardcore Haloites now need to use their brains and that the new mini models are quite nicely detailed.		Like Warhammer 40k the state of Halo's fluff has been in limbo, while Halo may have fucking spectacular authors on the line of Greg Bear (May he rest in peace) and Eric Nylund (and more recently Troy Denning) it also has its fair share of colossal fuck ups in the line of [[Fail\|Brian Reed]] (who some believe to be the series equivalent of The Beast Himself) and [[Rage\|Karen Traviss.]] Don't even get us started with the advent of 343i and [[Skub\|their mixed bag success]] on the Reclaimer saga as well as Halo's more...questionable marketing campaigns. Ironically, while the more recent games has been bait for [[Rage\|flamewars that will send any respectable forum thread into lock down, even off 4chan,]] Halo's transition to tabletop gaming after some [[Fail\|failed]] attempts like Halo Actionclix (Which is a shame cause while the game rules sucked, the models was in such high quality that it even outshines some high priced models from [[Forgeworld]]) has been more positively received, what with the fact that hardcore Haloites now need to use their brains and that the new mini models are quite nicely detailed.

	It is worth noting that Halo ever since its inception of its sequel, Halo 2, has been a proud sponsor of every [[Neckbeards]] elixir of life that is....[[Mountain Dew]], as well as the other sacred food item of Doritos. So don't be surprise when you see Mountain Dew and Doritos advertisement being shoved down your face whenever you want to buy any merchandise from Halo. Trying to say anything bad on these food products made from diabetes, sugar, acid and Ork piss is Halo's equivalent of [[Heresy]], you have been warned.		It is worth noting that Halo ever since its inception of its sequel, Halo 2, has been a proud sponsor of every [[Neckbeards]] elixir of life that is....[[Mountain Dew]], as well as the other sacred food item of Doritos. So don't be surprise when you see Mountain Dew and Doritos advertisement being shoved down your face whenever you want to buy any merchandise from Halo. Trying to say anything bad on these food products made from diabetes, sugar, acid and Ork piss is Halo's equivalent of [[Heresy]], you have been warned.

174.48.165.232: /* The TV Show */

2022-05-20T20:45:26Z

The TV Show

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	* Humans working for the Covenant, which completely undermines the Covenant’s motivations in starting the war with humanity; regardless of whatever justifications the show gives, the whole reason for the Covenant's ''genocide'' of humanity is to cover up the fact that forerunner tech marks humans as Forerunners, so having a human in their capital would make said cover up damn near impossible. The show's given justification is that only a few humans (of which the Covenant's Blessed One is one), can access and interact with Forerunner tech, so her status is more valuable. Needless to say, [[Rage\|many Halo fans were still not impressed]]		* Humans working for the Covenant, which completely undermines the Covenant’s motivations in starting the war with humanity; regardless of whatever justifications the show gives, the whole reason for the Covenant's ''genocide'' of humanity is to cover up the fact that forerunner tech marks humans as Forerunners, so having a human in their capital would make said cover up damn near impossible. The show's given justification is that only a few humans (of which the Covenant's Blessed One is one), can access and interact with Forerunner tech, so her status is more valuable. Needless to say, [[Rage\|many Halo fans were still not impressed]]
	* Giving Master Chief a young teenage girl sidekick with zero connection to the original lore; some feared that she is set up to replace Master Chief in his own show. A somewhat less cynical interpretation is that she's meant to be the Baby Yoda/Grogu to Master Chief's Mando. Instead, she's been given her own storyline involving the insurrection, which was just a footnote in Halo lore by the time of the covenant war. Fans aren't on board with her character as she lacks charisma and the insurrection plot is basically just a retread of The Expanse more than anything that feels like authentic Halo, and of the various plot threads its the one that has the least reason to be in the show and could have probably been removed without changing much.		* Giving Master Chief a young teenage girl sidekick with zero connection to the original lore; some feared that she is set up to replace Master Chief in his own show. A somewhat less cynical interpretation is that she's meant to be the Baby Yoda/Grogu to Master Chief's Mando. Instead, she's been given her own storyline involving the insurrection, which was just a footnote in Halo lore by the time of the covenant war. Fans aren't on board with her character as she lacks charisma and the insurrection plot is basically just a retread of The Expanse more than anything that feels like authentic Halo, and of the various plot threads its the one that has the least reason to be in the show and could have probably been removed without changing much.
	* Related to the above, you may be wondering why Cortana isn’t initially with Master Chief. They decided to completely change her into a fully-grown clone of Halsey that Halsey kills to make Cortana rather than just a brain scanned AI, give her some tacked on existential angst, and rewrite AIs so that they control SPARTANs outright instead of being assistants. Chief and Cortana's relationship is also far from what it was in the games, with Chief being annoyed at Cortana rather than the two sharing a close bond; Chief even outright cuckholds her in front of her eyes with the covenant spy. I guess Master Cheeks prefers 3D to 2D. Season 1 ends with Chief ~~possibly~~ dead ~~or knocked out~~, with Cortana basically taking over his body. So it wasn't Kwan who ended up replacing John - the big twist is it was Cortana.		* Related to the above, you may be wondering why Cortana isn’t initially with Master Chief. They decided to completely change her into a fully-grown clone of Halsey that Halsey kills to make Cortana rather than just a brain scanned AI, give her some tacked on existential angst, and rewrite AIs so that they control SPARTANs outright instead of being assistants. Chief and Cortana's relationship is also far from what it was in the games, with Chief being annoyed at Cortana rather than the two sharing a close bond; Chief even outright cuckholds her in front of her eyes with the covenant spy. I guess Master Cheeks prefers 3D to 2D. Season 1 ends with Chief apparently dead, with Cortana basically taking over his body. So it wasn't Kwan who ended up replacing John - the big twist is it was Cortana.
	* Forerunner Keystones have an awful tendency of being incredibly convenient to whatever the plot demands at the time, whether its allowing a character to escape, revealing character backstories, or becoming the big macguffin revealing where to find the Halo rings. What's next, turning Cortana into a real girl?		* Forerunner Keystones have an awful tendency of being incredibly convenient to whatever the plot demands at the time, whether its allowing a character to escape, revealing character backstories, or becoming the big macguffin revealing where to find the Halo rings. What's next, turning Cortana into a real girl?
	* While the fight scenes so far have been alright...there haven't been that many of them. You can count the number of fights Master Chief has been in on one hand. The fights themselves also have a problem with consistency in terms of power balance; we first see the Elites as nigh-invulnerable to small arms fire and a minigun, but in the same scene when Master Chief shows up, that same minigun takes down Elites quite easily, no problem.		* While the fight scenes so far have been alright...there haven't been that many of them. You can count the number of fights Master Chief has been in on one hand. The fights themselves also have a problem with consistency in terms of power balance; we first see the Elites as nigh-invulnerable to small arms fire and a minigun, but in the same scene when Master Chief shows up, that same minigun takes down Elites quite easily, no problem.

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2022-05-20T20:38:12Z

The TV Show

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	Eight years after being announced, Paramount+ has released their own spin on the Halo series in TV form, likely in part out of envy for Disney having their [[Star Wars:The Mandalorian\|own streaming show set in a beloved space setting]]. Unlike the various books and comics that preceded it, which are supposed to exist in the same universe as the video games everyone knows, the show is in its own canon, officially called the "Silver Timeline" in reference to Master Chief leading a SPARTAN team called "Silver Team". Was drawing concern and derision even before release (as that's how these things tend to go nowadays), and has only continued its status as [[Skub\|grade-A skub]] from there. Among the things folks have taken issue with are:		Eight years after being announced, Paramount+ has released their own spin on the Halo series in TV form, likely in part out of envy for Disney having their [[Star Wars:The Mandalorian\|own streaming show set in a beloved space setting]]. Unlike the various books and comics that preceded it, which are supposed to exist in the same universe as the video games everyone knows, the show is in its own canon, officially called the "Silver Timeline" in reference to Master Chief leading a SPARTAN team called "Silver Team". Was drawing concern and derision even before release (as that's how these things tend to go nowadays), and has only continued its status as [[Skub\|grade-A skub]] from there. Among the things folks have taken issue with are:
	* The writers admitting that they didn't look at any of the games, leading to the sense that they didn't respect/know the source material enough. One such example is that they turned Oban, a UNSC research facility, into a garbage planet with child slaves in order to drive home their “UNSC is eeeeeeevil” plot line. To be fair, the UNSC got up to some dirty stuff in the main timeline, but this harsher portrayal even extends to the fan-favorite Jacob Keyes, who is much more of an authoritarian jerk than he is in canon. Basically, there's the sense that the show is overdoing it as far as highlighting the UNSC's flaws.		* The writers admitting that they didn't look at any of the games, leading to the sense that they didn't respect/know the source material enough. One such example is that they turned Oban, a UNSC research facility, into a garbage planet with child slaves in order to drive home their “UNSC is eeeeeeevil” plot line. To be fair, the UNSC got up to some dirty stuff in the main timeline, but this harsher portrayal even extends to the fan-favorite Jacob Keyes, who is much more of an authoritarian jerk than he is in canon. Basically, there's the sense that the show is overdoing it as far as highlighting the UNSC's flaws.
			* The very same showrunners quit after Season 1 wrapped, long before the show even aired. That's never a good sign.
	* CGI and special effects of questionable quality; clearly unfinished props/effects have made it into the final cut without any editors noticing.		* CGI and special effects of questionable quality; clearly unfinished props/effects have made it into the final cut without any editors noticing.
	* That it's not a straight adaptation of the video games or novels; fans would’ve made allowances for changes here and there, and the Halo universe is big enough that one can tell original stories while still being true to the lore. Some have taken to it as its own thing, but others feel its a generic sci-fi story with the Halo brand slapped on top (worth noting that this view isn't just held by salty neckbeards either; some critics have also found the show's tone and writing to be somewhat derivative, taking more cues from The Expanse than from Halo. Even Halo Co-Creator Marcus Lehto complained the show was nothing like what he made.). For starters, they've already spoiled the big twist about the Halo rings being weapons (which the Covenant shouldn't know, much less the UNSC) long before Reach has even fallen. Seems that the directors have chosen to discard the drama of the world and the war, in favor of manufactured interpersonal drama and political intrigue. Because that's what people got into Halo for.		* That it's not a straight adaptation of the video games or novels; fans would’ve made allowances for changes here and there, and the Halo universe is big enough that one can tell original stories while still being true to the lore. Some have taken to it as its own thing, but others feel its a generic sci-fi story with the Halo brand slapped on top (worth noting that this view isn't just held by salty neckbeards either; some critics have also found the show's tone and writing to be somewhat derivative, taking more cues from The Expanse than from Halo. Even Halo Co-Creator Marcus Lehto complained the show was nothing like what he made.). For starters, they've already spoiled the big twist about the Halo rings being weapons (which the Covenant shouldn't know, much less the UNSC) long before Reach has even fallen. Seems that the directors have chosen to discard the drama of the world and the war, in favor of manufactured interpersonal drama and political intrigue. Because that's what people got into Halo for.
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	* Humans working for the Covenant, which completely undermines the Covenant’s motivations in starting the war with humanity; regardless of whatever justifications the show gives, the whole reason for the Covenant's ''genocide'' of humanity is to cover up the fact that forerunner tech marks humans as Forerunners, so having a human in their capital would make said cover up damn near impossible. The show's given justification is that only a few humans (of which the Covenant's Blessed One is one), can access and interact with Forerunner tech, so her status is more valuable. Needless to say, [[Rage\|many Halo fans were still not impressed]]		* Humans working for the Covenant, which completely undermines the Covenant’s motivations in starting the war with humanity; regardless of whatever justifications the show gives, the whole reason for the Covenant's ''genocide'' of humanity is to cover up the fact that forerunner tech marks humans as Forerunners, so having a human in their capital would make said cover up damn near impossible. The show's given justification is that only a few humans (of which the Covenant's Blessed One is one), can access and interact with Forerunner tech, so her status is more valuable. Needless to say, [[Rage\|many Halo fans were still not impressed]]
	* Giving Master Chief a young teenage girl sidekick with zero connection to the original lore; some feared that she is set up to replace Master Chief in his own show. A somewhat less cynical interpretation is that she's meant to be the Baby Yoda/Grogu to Master Chief's Mando. Instead, she's been given her own storyline involving the insurrection, which was just a footnote in Halo lore by the time of the covenant war. Fans aren't on board with her character as she lacks charisma and the insurrection plot is basically just a retread of The Expanse more than anything that feels like authentic Halo, and of the various plot threads its the one that has the least reason to be in the show and could have probably been removed without changing much.		* Giving Master Chief a young teenage girl sidekick with zero connection to the original lore; some feared that she is set up to replace Master Chief in his own show. A somewhat less cynical interpretation is that she's meant to be the Baby Yoda/Grogu to Master Chief's Mando. Instead, she's been given her own storyline involving the insurrection, which was just a footnote in Halo lore by the time of the covenant war. Fans aren't on board with her character as she lacks charisma and the insurrection plot is basically just a retread of The Expanse more than anything that feels like authentic Halo, and of the various plot threads its the one that has the least reason to be in the show and could have probably been removed without changing much.
	* Related to the above, you may be wondering why Cortana isn’t initially with Master Chief. They decided to completely change her into a fully-grown clone of Halsey that Halsey kills to make Cortana rather than just a brain scanned AI, give her some tacked on existential angst, and rewrite AIs so that they control SPARTANs outright instead of being assistants~~. But not Master Chief, because reasons~~. Chief and Cortana's relationship is also far from what it was in the games, with Chief being ~~outright~~ annoyed at Cortana rather than the two sharing a close bond; Chief even outright cuckholds her in front of her eyes with the covenant spy. I guess Master Cheeks prefers 3D to 2D.		* Related to the above, you may be wondering why Cortana isn’t initially with Master Chief. They decided to completely change her into a fully-grown clone of Halsey that Halsey kills to make Cortana rather than just a brain scanned AI, give her some tacked on existential angst, and rewrite AIs so that they control SPARTANs outright instead of being assistants. Chief and Cortana's relationship is also far from what it was in the games, with Chief being annoyed at Cortana rather than the two sharing a close bond; Chief even outright cuckholds her in front of her eyes with the covenant spy. I guess Master Cheeks prefers 3D to 2D. Season 1 ends with Chief possibly dead or knocked out, with Cortana basically taking over his body. So it wasn't Kwan who ended up replacing John - the big twist is it was Cortana.
	* Forerunner Keystones have an awful tendency of being incredibly convenient to whatever the plot demands at the time, whether its allowing a character to escape, revealing character backstories, or becoming the big macguffin revealing where to find the Halo rings. What's next, turning Cortana into a real girl?		* Forerunner Keystones have an awful tendency of being incredibly convenient to whatever the plot demands at the time, whether its allowing a character to escape, revealing character backstories, or becoming the big macguffin revealing where to find the Halo rings. What's next, turning Cortana into a real girl?
	* While the fight scenes so far have been alright...there haven't been that many of them. You can count the number of fights Master Chief has been in on one hand. The fights themselves also have a problem with consistency in terms of power balance; we first see the Elites as nigh-invulnerable to small arms fire and a minigun, but in the same scene when Master Chief shows up, that same minigun takes down Elites quite easily, no problem.		* While the fight scenes so far have been alright...there haven't been that many of them. You can count the number of fights Master Chief has been in on one hand. The fights themselves also have a problem with consistency in terms of power balance; we first see the Elites as nigh-invulnerable to small arms fire and a minigun, but in the same scene when Master Chief shows up, that same minigun takes down Elites quite easily, no problem.

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2022-05-20T11:43:30Z

The TV Show

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	* Giving Master Chief a young teenage girl sidekick with zero connection to the original lore; some feared that she is set up to replace Master Chief in his own show. A somewhat less cynical interpretation is that she's meant to be the Baby Yoda/Grogu to Master Chief's Mando. Instead, she's been given her own storyline involving the insurrection, which was just a footnote in Halo lore by the time of the covenant war. Fans aren't on board with her character as she lacks charisma and the insurrection plot is basically just a retread of The Expanse more than anything that feels like authentic Halo, and of the various plot threads its the one that has the least reason to be in the show and could have probably been removed without changing much.		* Giving Master Chief a young teenage girl sidekick with zero connection to the original lore; some feared that she is set up to replace Master Chief in his own show. A somewhat less cynical interpretation is that she's meant to be the Baby Yoda/Grogu to Master Chief's Mando. Instead, she's been given her own storyline involving the insurrection, which was just a footnote in Halo lore by the time of the covenant war. Fans aren't on board with her character as she lacks charisma and the insurrection plot is basically just a retread of The Expanse more than anything that feels like authentic Halo, and of the various plot threads its the one that has the least reason to be in the show and could have probably been removed without changing much.
	* Related to the above, you may be wondering why Cortana isn’t initially with Master Chief. They decided to completely change her into a fully-grown clone of Halsey that Halsey kills to make Cortana rather than just a brain scanned AI, give her some tacked on existential angst, and rewrite AIs so that they control SPARTANs outright instead of being assistants. But not Master Chief, because reasons. Chief and Cortana's relationship is also far from what it was in the games, with Chief being outright annoyed at Cortana rather than the two sharing a close bond; Chief even outright cuckholds her in front of her eyes with the covenant spy. I guess Master Cheeks prefers 3D to 2D.		* Related to the above, you may be wondering why Cortana isn’t initially with Master Chief. They decided to completely change her into a fully-grown clone of Halsey that Halsey kills to make Cortana rather than just a brain scanned AI, give her some tacked on existential angst, and rewrite AIs so that they control SPARTANs outright instead of being assistants. But not Master Chief, because reasons. Chief and Cortana's relationship is also far from what it was in the games, with Chief being outright annoyed at Cortana rather than the two sharing a close bond; Chief even outright cuckholds her in front of her eyes with the covenant spy. I guess Master Cheeks prefers 3D to 2D.
	* Forerunner Keystones have an awful tendency of being incredibly convenient to whatever the plot demands at the time, whether its allowing a character to escape,		* Forerunner Keystones have an awful tendency of being incredibly convenient to whatever the plot demands at the time, whether its allowing a character to escape, revealing character backstories, or becoming the big macguffin revealing where to find the Halo rings. What's next, turning Cortana into a real girl?
	revealing character backstories, or becoming the big macguffin revealing where to find the Halo rings. What's next, turning Cortana into a real girl?
	* While the fight scenes so far have been alright...there haven't been that many of them. You can count the number of fights Master Chief has been in on one hand. The fights themselves also have a problem with consistency in terms of power balance; we first see the Elites as nigh-invulnerable to small arms fire and a minigun, but in the same scene when Master Chief shows up, that same minigun takes down Elites quite easily, no problem.		* While the fight scenes so far have been alright...there haven't been that many of them. You can count the number of fights Master Chief has been in on one hand. The fights themselves also have a problem with consistency in terms of power balance; we first see the Elites as nigh-invulnerable to small arms fire and a minigun, but in the same scene when Master Chief shows up, that same minigun takes down Elites quite easily, no problem.
	* Sgt. Johnson is a complete No-Show. Which is really strange, given that the show has already chosen to race-swap a number of characters while ignoring the most popular and well-loved black character in the whole series.		* Sgt. Johnson is a complete No-Show. Which is really strange, given that the show has already chosen to race-swap a number of characters while ignoring the most popular and well-loved black character in the whole series.

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	* The writers admitting that they didn't look at any of the games, leading to the sense that they didn't respect/know the source material enough. One such example is that they turned Oban, a UNSC research facility, into a garbage planet with child slaves in order to drive home their “UNSC is eeeeeeevil” plot line. To be fair, the UNSC got up to some dirty stuff in the main timeline, but this harsher portrayal even extends to the fan-favorite Jacob Keyes, who is much more of an authoritarian jerk than he is in canon. Basically, there's the sense that the show is overdoing it as far as highlighting the UNSC's flaws.		* The writers admitting that they didn't look at any of the games, leading to the sense that they didn't respect/know the source material enough. One such example is that they turned Oban, a UNSC research facility, into a garbage planet with child slaves in order to drive home their “UNSC is eeeeeeevil” plot line. To be fair, the UNSC got up to some dirty stuff in the main timeline, but this harsher portrayal even extends to the fan-favorite Jacob Keyes, who is much more of an authoritarian jerk than he is in canon. Basically, there's the sense that the show is overdoing it as far as highlighting the UNSC's flaws.
	* CGI and special effects of questionable quality; clearly unfinished props/effects have made it into the final cut without any editors noticing.		* CGI and special effects of questionable quality; clearly unfinished props/effects have made it into the final cut without any editors noticing.
	* That it's not a straight adaptation of the video games or novels; fans would’ve made allowances for changes here and there, and the Halo universe is big enough that one can tell original stories while still being true to the lore. Some have taken to it as its own thing, but others feel its a generic sci-fi story with the Halo brand slapped on top (worth noting that this view isn't just held by salty neckbeards either; some critics have also found the show's tone and writing to be somewhat derivative, taking more cues from The Expanse than from Halo). For starters, they've already spoiled the big twist about the Halo rings being weapons (which the Covenant shouldn't know, much less the UNSC) ~~and~~ Reach ~~hasn't~~ even fallen ~~yet~~. Seems that the directors have chosen to discard the drama of the world and the war, in favor of manufactured interpersonal drama and political intrigue. Because that's what people got into Halo for.		* That it's not a straight adaptation of the video games or novels; fans would’ve made allowances for changes here and there, and the Halo universe is big enough that one can tell original stories while still being true to the lore. Some have taken to it as its own thing, but others feel its a generic sci-fi story with the Halo brand slapped on top (worth noting that this view isn't just held by salty neckbeards either; some critics have also found the show's tone and writing to be somewhat derivative, taking more cues from The Expanse than from Halo). For starters, they've already spoiled the big twist about the Halo rings being weapons (which the Covenant shouldn't know, much less the UNSC) long before Reach has even fallen. Seems that the directors have chosen to discard the drama of the world and the war, in favor of manufactured interpersonal drama and political intrigue. Because that's what people got into Halo for.
	* Master Chief shows his face, which for most Halo neckbeards is pure [[Heresy]]; then they somehow manage to top it by showing us [[wat\|his naked ass.]]		* Master Chief shows his face, which for most Halo neckbeards is pure [[Heresy]]; then they somehow manage to top it by showing us [[wat\|his naked ass.]]v Hence, he has since earned the nickname Master Cheeks, which is particularly apt when the showrunners decided to give him a sex scene with Covenant Lady because reasons.
	* Humans working for the Covenant, which completely undermines the Covenant’s motivations in starting the war with humanity; regardless of whatever justifications the show gives, the whole reason for the Covenant's ''genocide'' of humanity is to cover up the fact that forerunner tech marks humans as Forerunners, so having a human in their capital would make said cover up damn near impossible. The show's given justification is that only a few humans (of which the Covenant's Blessed One is one), can access and interact with Forerunner tech, so her status is more valuable. Needless to say, [[Rage\|many Halo fans were still not impressed]]		* Humans working for the Covenant, which completely undermines the Covenant’s motivations in starting the war with humanity; regardless of whatever justifications the show gives, the whole reason for the Covenant's ''genocide'' of humanity is to cover up the fact that forerunner tech marks humans as Forerunners, so having a human in their capital would make said cover up damn near impossible. The show's given justification is that only a few humans (of which the Covenant's Blessed One is one), can access and interact with Forerunner tech, so her status is more valuable. Needless to say, [[Rage\|many Halo fans were still not impressed]]
	* Giving Master Chief a young teenage girl sidekick with zero connection to the original lore; some feared that she is set up to replace Master Chief in his own show. A somewhat less cynical interpretation is that she's meant to be the Baby Yoda/Grogu to Master Chief's Mando. Instead, she's been given her own storyline involving the insurrection, which was just a footnote in Halo lore by the time of the covenant war. Fans ~~still~~ aren't on board with her character as she lacks charisma and the insurrection plot is basically just a retread of The Expanse more than anything that feels like authentic Halo.		* Giving Master Chief a young teenage girl sidekick with zero connection to the original lore; some feared that she is set up to replace Master Chief in his own show. A somewhat less cynical interpretation is that she's meant to be the Baby Yoda/Grogu to Master Chief's Mando. Instead, she's been given her own storyline involving the insurrection, which was just a footnote in Halo lore by the time of the covenant war. Fans aren't on board with her character as she lacks charisma and the insurrection plot is basically just a retread of The Expanse more than anything that feels like authentic Halo, and of the various plot threads its the one that has the least reason to be in the show and could have probably been removed without changing much.
	* Related to the above, you may be wondering why Cortana isn’t with Master Chief. They decided to completely change her into a fully-grown clone of Halsey rather than just a brain scanned AI, give her some tacked on existential angst, and rewrite AIs so that they control SPARTANs outright instead of being assistants. But not Master Chief, because reasons.		* Related to the above, you may be wondering why Cortana isn’t initially with Master Chief. They decided to completely change her into a fully-grown clone of Halsey that Halsey kills to make Cortana rather than just a brain scanned AI, give her some tacked on existential angst, and rewrite AIs so that they control SPARTANs outright instead of being assistants. But not Master Chief, because reasons. Chief and Cortana's relationship is also far from what it was in the games, with Chief being outright annoyed at Cortana rather than the two sharing a close bond. I guess Master Cheeks prefers 3D to 2D.
	* While the fight scenes so far have been alright...there haven't been that many of them. Master Chief in ~~particularly currently has only~~ one ~~to his name~~.		* While the fight scenes so far have been alright...there haven't been that many of them. You can count the number of fights Master Chief has been in on one hand.
	* Sgt. Johnson is a complete No-Show. Which is really strange, given that the show has already chosen to race-swap a number of characters while ignoring the most popular and well-loved black character in the whole series.		* Sgt. Johnson is a complete No-Show. Which is really strange, given that the show has already chosen to race-swap a number of characters while ignoring the most popular and well-loved black character in the whole series.

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	==The TV Show==		==The TV Show==
	~~More recently~~, Paramount+ has released their own spin on the Halo series in TV form, likely in part out of envy for Disney having their [[Star Wars:The Mandalorian\|own streaming show set in a beloved space setting]]. Unlike the various books and comics that preceded it, which are supposed to exist in the same universe as the video games everyone knows, the show is in its own canon, officially called the "Silver Timeline" in reference to Master Chief leading a SPARTAN team called "Silver Team". Was drawing concern and derision even before release (as that's how these things tend to go nowadays), and has only continued its status as [[Skub\|grade-A skub]] from there. Among the things folks have taken issue with are:		Eight years after being announced, Paramount+ has released their own spin on the Halo series in TV form, likely in part out of envy for Disney having their [[Star Wars:The Mandalorian\|own streaming show set in a beloved space setting]]. Unlike the various books and comics that preceded it, which are supposed to exist in the same universe as the video games everyone knows, the show is in its own canon, officially called the "Silver Timeline" in reference to Master Chief leading a SPARTAN team called "Silver Team". Was drawing concern and derision even before release (as that's how these things tend to go nowadays), and has only continued its status as [[Skub\|grade-A skub]] from there. Among the things folks have taken issue with are:
	* The writers admitting that they didn't look at any of the games, leading to the sense that they didn't respect/know the source material enough. One such example is that they turned Oban, a UNSC research facility, into a garbage planet with child slaves in order to drive home their “UNSC is eeeeeeevil” plot line. To be fair, the UNSC got up to some dirty stuff in the main timeline, but this harsher portrayal even extends to the fan-favorite Jacob Keyes, who is much more of an authoritarian jerk than he is in canon. Basically, there's the sense that the show is overdoing it as far as highlighting the UNSC's flaws.		* The writers admitting that they didn't look at any of the games, leading to the sense that they didn't respect/know the source material enough. One such example is that they turned Oban, a UNSC research facility, into a garbage planet with child slaves in order to drive home their “UNSC is eeeeeeevil” plot line. To be fair, the UNSC got up to some dirty stuff in the main timeline, but this harsher portrayal even extends to the fan-favorite Jacob Keyes, who is much more of an authoritarian jerk than he is in canon. Basically, there's the sense that the show is overdoing it as far as highlighting the UNSC's flaws.
	* CGI and special effects of questionable quality; clearly unfinished props/effects have made it into the final cut without any editors noticing.		* CGI and special effects of questionable quality; clearly unfinished props/effects have made it into the final cut without any editors noticing.
	* That it's not a straight adaptation of the video games or novels; fans would’ve made allowances for changes here and there, and the Halo universe is big enough that one can tell original stories while still being true to the lore. Some have taken to it as its own thing, but others feel its a generic sci-fi story with the Halo brand slapped on top (worth noting that this view isn't just held by salty neckbeards either; some critics have also found the show's tone and writing to be somewhat derivative, taking more cues from The Expanse than from Halo). For starters, they've already spoiled the big twist about the Halo rings being weapons (which the Covenant shouldn't know, much less the UNSC) long before Reach has even fallen. Seems that the directors have chosen to discard the drama of the world and the war, in favor of manufactured interpersonal drama and political intrigue. Because that's what people got into Halo for.		* That it's not a straight adaptation of the video games or novels; fans would’ve made allowances for changes here and there, and the Halo universe is big enough that one can tell original stories while still being true to the lore. Some have taken to it as its own thing, but others feel its a generic sci-fi story with the Halo brand slapped on top (worth noting that this view isn't just held by salty neckbeards either; some critics have also found the show's tone and writing to be somewhat derivative, taking more cues from The Expanse than from Halo. Even Halo Co-Creator Marcus Lehto complained the show was nothing like what he made.). For starters, they've already spoiled the big twist about the Halo rings being weapons (which the Covenant shouldn't know, much less the UNSC) long before Reach has even fallen. Seems that the directors have chosen to discard the drama of the world and the war, in favor of manufactured interpersonal drama and political intrigue. Because that's what people got into Halo for.
	* Master Chief shows his face, which for most Halo neckbeards is pure [[Heresy]]; then they somehow manage to top it by showing us [[wat\|his naked ass.]]v Hence, he has since earned the nickname Master Cheeks, which is particularly apt when the showrunners decided to give him a sex scene with Covenant Lady because reasons.		* Master Chief shows his face in the very first episode, which for most Halo neckbeards is pure [[Heresy]]; then they somehow manage to top it by showing us [[wat\|his naked ass.]] Hence, he has since earned the nickname Master Cheeks, which is particularly apt when the showrunners decided to give him a sex scene with Covenant Lady because reasons.
	* Humans working for the Covenant, which completely undermines the Covenant’s motivations in starting the war with humanity; regardless of whatever justifications the show gives, the whole reason for the Covenant's ''genocide'' of humanity is to cover up the fact that forerunner tech marks humans as Forerunners, so having a human in their capital would make said cover up damn near impossible. The show's given justification is that only a few humans (of which the Covenant's Blessed One is one), can access and interact with Forerunner tech, so her status is more valuable. Needless to say, [[Rage\|many Halo fans were still not impressed]]		* Humans working for the Covenant, which completely undermines the Covenant’s motivations in starting the war with humanity; regardless of whatever justifications the show gives, the whole reason for the Covenant's ''genocide'' of humanity is to cover up the fact that forerunner tech marks humans as Forerunners, so having a human in their capital would make said cover up damn near impossible. The show's given justification is that only a few humans (of which the Covenant's Blessed One is one), can access and interact with Forerunner tech, so her status is more valuable. Needless to say, [[Rage\|many Halo fans were still not impressed]]
	* Giving Master Chief a young teenage girl sidekick with zero connection to the original lore; some feared that she is set up to replace Master Chief in his own show. A somewhat less cynical interpretation is that she's meant to be the Baby Yoda/Grogu to Master Chief's Mando. Instead, she's been given her own storyline involving the insurrection, which was just a footnote in Halo lore by the time of the covenant war. Fans aren't on board with her character as she lacks charisma and the insurrection plot is basically just a retread of The Expanse more than anything that feels like authentic Halo, and of the various plot threads its the one that has the least reason to be in the show and could have probably been removed without changing much.		* Giving Master Chief a young teenage girl sidekick with zero connection to the original lore; some feared that she is set up to replace Master Chief in his own show. A somewhat less cynical interpretation is that she's meant to be the Baby Yoda/Grogu to Master Chief's Mando. Instead, she's been given her own storyline involving the insurrection, which was just a footnote in Halo lore by the time of the covenant war. Fans aren't on board with her character as she lacks charisma and the insurrection plot is basically just a retread of The Expanse more than anything that feels like authentic Halo, and of the various plot threads its the one that has the least reason to be in the show and could have probably been removed without changing much.
	* Related to the above, you may be wondering why Cortana isn’t initially with Master Chief. They decided to completely change her into a fully-grown clone of Halsey that Halsey kills to make Cortana rather than just a brain scanned AI, give her some tacked on existential angst, and rewrite AIs so that they control SPARTANs outright instead of being assistants. But not Master Chief, because reasons. Chief and Cortana's relationship is also far from what it was in the games, with Chief being outright annoyed at Cortana rather than the two sharing a close bond. I guess Master Cheeks prefers 3D to 2D.		* Related to the above, you may be wondering why Cortana isn’t initially with Master Chief. They decided to completely change her into a fully-grown clone of Halsey that Halsey kills to make Cortana rather than just a brain scanned AI, give her some tacked on existential angst, and rewrite AIs so that they control SPARTANs outright instead of being assistants. But not Master Chief, because reasons. Chief and Cortana's relationship is also far from what it was in the games, with Chief being outright annoyed at Cortana rather than the two sharing a close bond; Chief even outright cuckholds her in front of her eyes with the covenant spy. I guess Master Cheeks prefers 3D to 2D.
	* While the fight scenes so far have been alright...there haven't been that many of them. You can count the number of fights Master Chief has been in on one hand.		* Forerunner Keystones have an awful tendency of being incredibly convenient to whatever the plot demands at the time, whether its allowing a character to escape,
			revealing character backstories, or becoming the big macguffin revealing where to find the Halo rings. What's next, turning Cortana into a real girl?
			* While the fight scenes so far have been alright...there haven't been that many of them. You can count the number of fights Master Chief has been in on one hand. The fights themselves also have a problem with consistency in terms of power balance; we first see the Elites as nigh-invulnerable to small arms fire and a minigun, but in the same scene when Master Chief shows up, that same minigun takes down Elites quite easily, no problem.
	* Sgt. Johnson is a complete No-Show. Which is really strange, given that the show has already chosen to race-swap a number of characters while ignoring the most popular and well-loved black character in the whole series.		* Sgt. Johnson is a complete No-Show. Which is really strange, given that the show has already chosen to race-swap a number of characters while ignoring the most popular and well-loved black character in the whole series.