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	As a nice tangential benefit to the game's existence, GW's package deals for the kill teams are for the most part good values for what you get (typically about 80% of what you'd have to pay if you bought the units individually), so even if you don't play Shadow War, you can still get some value out of it.		As a nice tangential benefit to the game's existence, GW's package deals for the kill teams are for the most part good values for what you get (typically about 80% of what you'd have to pay if you bought the units individually), so even if you don't play Shadow War, you can still get some value out of it.

	Has now been effectively replaced by ~~the big~~ Kill Team ~~re-release~~, which is basically Shadow War, just refined and expanded into a separate, and fully supported Specialist Game.		Has now been effectively replaced by [[Kill Team (Specialist Game)\|Kill Team]]'s return, which is basically Shadow War, just refined and expanded into a separate, and fully supported Specialist Game. It was then ''doubly'' replaced when Necromunda itself was re-released, consigning Shadow War to complete and total irrelevance. Despite being thrown away by GW like a used napkin, however, Shadow War's importance cannot be understated. Its initial runaway success was the driving catalyst that allowed Kill Team and Necromunda to have their big re-releases in the first place, so it's certainly worth remembering.

	==The Game==		==The Game==

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	As a nice tangential benefit to the game's existence, GW's package deals for the kill teams are for the most part good values for what you get (typically about 80% of what you'd have to pay if you bought the units individually), so even if you don't play Shadow War, you can still get some value out of it.		As a nice tangential benefit to the game's existence, GW's package deals for the kill teams are for the most part good values for what you get (typically about 80% of what you'd have to pay if you bought the units individually), so even if you don't play Shadow War, you can still get some value out of it.

			Has now been effectively replaced by the big Kill Team re-release, which is basically Shadow War, just refined and expanded into a separate, and fully supported Specialist Game.

	==The Game==		==The Game==

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	* Fully customisable wargear options for different models in your team. Want 3 Genestealer cultists with laspistols and knives, 4 with autoguns and 2 with lasguns? That's do-able.		* Fully customisable wargear options for different models in your team. Want 3 Genestealer cultists with laspistols and knives, 4 with autoguns and 2 with lasguns? That's do-able.
	* Actual fluffy differences between weapons that are the same in normal 40k. The humble lasgun is finally better than the crude autogun.		* Actual fluffy differences between weapons that are the same in normal 40k. The humble lasgun is finally better than the crude autogun.
	*Sly Marbo has new rules and ~~<s>~~a new model~~</s> Nope~~, ~~the "~~new model~~" shown on his datasheet~~ is a ~~kitbash from various Cadian and Catachan parts~~.		*Sly Marbo has new rules and a new model. (Technically released months after the fact, but a new model is a new model.)

	==What Sucks==		==What Sucks==

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	==What Sucks==		==What Sucks==
	* It's not Necromunda. The closest things we have to the hive gangs and mutants of old are Chaos and Genestealer cultists, and that's...just not the same. This is probably because GW, [[skub\|for better or worse]], seems to be be on a big kick lately to have their standard model range cross-compatible with all of their specialist games, and is apparently unwilling to make a bunch of new models just for a faithful Necromunda reboot. At least, so we initially thought. [[awesome\|Necromunda itself is now back in business, along with an extensive line of new models for it]], so if you really want the hive gang Necromunda experience, you might as well just go play the real fucking thing instead. Shadow War is for the mainstream factions.		* It's not Necromunda. The closest things we have to the hive gangs and mutants of old are Chaos and Genestealer cultists, and that's...just not the same. This is probably because GW, [[skub\|for better or worse]], seems to be be on a big kick lately to have their standard model range cross-compatible with all of their specialist games, and is apparently unwilling to make a bunch of new models just for a faithful Necromunda reboot. At least, so we initially thought. [[awesome\|Necromunda itself is now back in business, along with an extensive line of new models for it]], so if you really want the hive gang Necromunda experience, you might as well just go play the real fucking thing instead. Shadow War is for the mainstream 40k factions.
	* The boxed set was a limited release, and initial pre-orders completely sold out within minutes, catching GW completely off-guard with a demand that they hadn't expected or prepared a supply for (some [[Games Workshop\|GW]] stores didn't even have one to sell) [[fail\|Whoops]].		* The boxed set was a limited release, and initial pre-orders completely sold out within minutes, catching GW completely off-guard with a demand that they hadn't expected or prepared a supply for (some [[Games Workshop\|GW]] stores didn't even have one to sell) [[fail\|Whoops]].
	* Unlike Kill Team, Shadow War is much more limited in what kind of units are allowed. Rather than bringing whatever you want within a set of loose parameters, you're given a specific set of units for leaders, troopers, new recruits, specialists, and special operatives, and that's it. No vehicles.		* Unlike Kill Team, Shadow War is much more limited in what kind of units are allowed. Rather than bringing whatever you want within a set of loose parameters, you're given a specific set of units for leaders, troopers, new recruits, specialists, and special operatives, and that's it. No vehicles.

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	==What Sucks==		==What Sucks==
	* It's not Necromunda. The closest things we have to the hive gangs and mutants of old are Chaos and Genestealer cultists, and that's...just not the same. This is probably because GW, [[skub\|for better or worse]], seems to be be on a big kick lately to have their standard model range cross-compatible with all of their specialist games, and is apparently unwilling to make a bunch of new models just for a faithful Necromunda reboot. At least, so we initially thought. [[awesome\|Necromunda itself is now back in business, along with an extensive line of new models for it]], so if you want the hive gang Necromunda experience, you might as well just go play ~~that~~ instead.		* It's not Necromunda. The closest things we have to the hive gangs and mutants of old are Chaos and Genestealer cultists, and that's...just not the same. This is probably because GW, [[skub\|for better or worse]], seems to be be on a big kick lately to have their standard model range cross-compatible with all of their specialist games, and is apparently unwilling to make a bunch of new models just for a faithful Necromunda reboot. At least, so we initially thought. [[awesome\|Necromunda itself is now back in business, along with an extensive line of new models for it]], so if you really want the hive gang Necromunda experience, you might as well just go play the real fucking thing instead. Shadow War is for the mainstream factions.
	* The boxed set was a limited release, and initial pre-orders completely sold out within minutes, catching GW completely off-guard with a demand that they hadn't expected or prepared a supply for (some [[Games Workshop\|GW]] stores didn't even have one to sell) [[fail\|Whoops]].		* The boxed set was a limited release, and initial pre-orders completely sold out within minutes, catching GW completely off-guard with a demand that they hadn't expected or prepared a supply for (some [[Games Workshop\|GW]] stores didn't even have one to sell) [[fail\|Whoops]].
	* Unlike Kill Team, Shadow War is much more limited in what kind of units are allowed. Rather than bringing whatever you want within a set of loose parameters, you're given a specific set of units for leaders, troopers, new recruits, specialists, and special operatives, and that's it. No vehicles.		* Unlike Kill Team, Shadow War is much more limited in what kind of units are allowed. Rather than bringing whatever you want within a set of loose parameters, you're given a specific set of units for leaders, troopers, new recruits, specialists, and special operatives, and that's it. No vehicles.

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	* It's not Necromunda. The closest things we have to the hive gangs and mutants of old are Chaos and Genestealer cultists, and that's...just not the same. This is probably because GW, [[skub\|for better or worse]], seems to be be on a big kick lately to have their standard model range cross-compatible with all of their specialist games, and is apparently unwilling to make a bunch of new models just for a faithful Necromunda reboot. ~~Far easier to just bring~~ back ~~the Necromunda style~~ of ~~gameplay using the existing factions and~~ models~~. With any luck, though, Inquisition warbands should provide an easy [[count as~~]] ~~solution for~~ hive ~~gangs if they're allowed to be~~ as ~~varied as they are in 40k~~.		* It's not Necromunda. The closest things we have to the hive gangs and mutants of old are Chaos and Genestealer cultists, and that's...just not the same. This is probably because GW, [[skub\|for better or worse]], seems to be be on a big kick lately to have their standard model range cross-compatible with all of their specialist games, and is apparently unwilling to make a bunch of new models just for a faithful Necromunda reboot. At least, so we initially thought. [[awesome\|Necromunda itself is now back in business, along with an extensive line of new models for it]], so if you want the hive gang Necromunda experience, you might as well just go play that instead.
	* The boxed set is a limited release, and initial pre-orders completely sold out within minutes, catching GW completely off-guard with a demand that they hadn't expected or prepared a supply for (some [[Games Workshop\|GW]] stores didn't even have one to sell) [[fail\|Whoops]].		* The boxed set was a limited release, and initial pre-orders completely sold out within minutes, catching GW completely off-guard with a demand that they hadn't expected or prepared a supply for (some [[Games Workshop\|GW]] stores didn't even have one to sell) [[fail\|Whoops]].
	* Unlike Kill Team, Shadow War is much more limited in what kind of units are allowed. Rather than bringing whatever you want within a set of loose parameters, you're given a specific set of units for leaders, troopers, new recruits, specialists, and special operatives, and that's it. No vehicles.		* Unlike Kill Team, Shadow War is much more limited in what kind of units are allowed. Rather than bringing whatever you want within a set of loose parameters, you're given a specific set of units for leaders, troopers, new recruits, specialists, and special operatives, and that's it. No vehicles.
	* The unit choices for some factions don't make much sense. If Space Marines get a "scout unit" as do the Tau with Pathfinders (but no Kroot!), then surely other factions would have similar fluffy units...what's this? Eldar get Guardians and not Rangers? Eldar are sending what are basically ''civilians'' on a scouting/commando raid? (correction: Eldar unit is the Dire Avenger. Any guardians are new recruits, and they essentially become Avengers when they 'level up'. Not that this makes it any less strange, weird or unfluffy given Rangers make no appearance in any form).		* The unit choices for some factions don't make much sense. If Space Marines get a "scout unit" as do the Tau with Pathfinders (but no Kroot!), then surely other factions would have similar fluffy units...what's this? Eldar get Guardians and not Rangers? Eldar are sending what are basically ''civilians'' on a scouting/commando raid? (correction: Eldar unit is the Dire Avenger. Any guardians are new recruits, and they essentially become Avengers when they 'level up'. Not that this makes it any less strange, weird or unfluffy given Rangers make no appearance in any form).

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	Shooting must target the closest enemy (otherwise you might engage in tactics, or even worse, strategy) unless he's fighting in melee or downed or is in such position it's easier to hit a more distant visible foe - such as cover. Yep, cover affects your to-hit chance instead of granting a save, so it's not overlapping with armor (realistic!). There can be light cover and heavy cover - depending on the percentage of target's body covered. And models can even attempt to hide themselves. And you can shoot in melee but have a chance of hitting your own dude.		Shooting must target the closest enemy (otherwise you might engage in tactics, or even worse, strategy) unless he's fighting in melee or downed or is in such position it's easier to hit a more distant visible foe - such as cover. Yep, cover affects your to-hit chance instead of granting a save, so it's not overlapping with armor (realistic!). There can be light cover and heavy cover - depending on the percentage of target's body covered. And models can even attempt to hide themselves. And you can shoot in melee but have a chance of hitting your own dude.

	Another significant change is the replacement of the AP system with Rends. A bolter is no longer AP5, but rather Rend -1, meaning it substracts 1 from the target's armor save (and hence no longer ignores 5+ armor). All weapons have a chance to run out of ammo/jam.		Another significant change is the replacement of the AP system with Rends (AKA The 2nd Edition 40k "Save Modifier" system). A bolter is no longer AP5, but rather Rend -1, meaning it substracts 1 from the target's armor save (and hence no longer ignores 5+ armor). All weapons have a chance to run out of ammo/jam.

	Hand-to-hand is quite complicated ''(if you can't do basic addition)''; essentially, someone charges, both of you roll a number of dice corresponding to your attack value, pick the highest of those rolls, and then add your weapon skill and any modifiers. This is your '''''Combat Score'''''. The difference between the two scores is the number of times that the fighter with the higher combat score gets to hit the other fighter, with ties being broken by initiative scores, or the headbutt skill. Parries complicate the matter, as if you have a guy with a weapon capable of parrying, and your opponent rolls a dice higher than yours, you can force him to reroll it with your parry, unless he has a weapon with parry as well, in which case you cancel each other out. Note that if you have two weapons with parry (i.e. two swords), you can parry his dice twice (just not the same die if he only has one single attack die, as you still can't reroll a reroll). Note that not only can you use pistols in close combat like regular 40k, but you actually use the pistol's damage profile, which makes some of them quite nasty.		Hand-to-hand is quite complicated ''(if you can't do basic addition)''; essentially, someone charges, both of you roll a number of dice corresponding to your attack value, pick the highest of those rolls, and then add your weapon skill and any modifiers. This is your '''''Combat Score'''''. The difference between the two scores is the number of times that the fighter with the higher combat score gets to hit the other fighter, with ties being broken by initiative scores, or the headbutt skill. Parries complicate the matter, as if you have a guy with a weapon capable of parrying, and your opponent rolls a dice higher than yours, you can force him to reroll it with your parry, unless he has a weapon with parry as well, in which case you cancel each other out. Note that if you have two weapons with parry (i.e. two swords), you can parry his dice twice (just not the same die if he only has one single attack die, as you still can't reroll a reroll). Note that not only can you use pistols in close combat like regular 40k, but you actually use the pistol's damage profile, which makes some of them quite nasty.

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	*'''Kill Team Leader'''		*'''Kill Team Leader'''
	**''Boss Nob:'' 160 pts. Shank and squig-hide armour (6+). +1 S,W,I,A than Boy.		**''Boss Nob:'' 160 pts. Shank and squig-hide armour (6+). +1 S,W,I,A than Boy.
			*'''Trooper'''
	**''Boy:'' 60 pts. Shank and squig-hide armour (6+). +1 WS and A than Yoof.		**''Boy:'' 60 pts. Shank and squig-hide armour (6+). +1 WS and A than Yoof.
	*'''New Recruit'''		*'''New Recruit'''