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	Skaven are said to be '''''the''''' most evil race in the entire setting, and that's no idle claim. For all [[The Empire (Warhammer Fantasy)\|the Empire]], [[Bretonnia]]ns, [[Dwarf (Warhammer Fantasy)\|Dwarfs]], [[High Elves (Warhammer Fantasy)\|High Elves]], [[Wood Elves (Warhammer Fantasy)\|Wood Elves]] and [[Lizardmen]]'s many flaws (and make no mistake, they ''are'' numerous) each of them has at least some claims to genuine heroism that keep them out of being villains. Undead are either mindless automata executing their programming or - for the majority of intelligent undead - capable of genuine love and altruism. [[Dark Elves (Warhammer Fantasy)\|Dark elves]] are cruel and have a culture based on torture and slavery, but they are more driven by historical grievances and an inhospitable homeland, and can display family loyalty along with traits that some would call decent or even questionably heroic.		Skaven are said to be '''''the''''' most evil race in the entire setting, and that's no idle claim. For all [[The Empire (Warhammer Fantasy)\|the Empire]], [[Bretonnia]]ns, [[Dwarf (Warhammer Fantasy)\|Dwarfs]], [[High Elves (Warhammer Fantasy)\|High Elves]], [[Wood Elves (Warhammer Fantasy)\|Wood Elves]] and [[Lizardmen]]'s many flaws (and make no mistake, they ''are'' numerous) each of them has at least some claims to genuine heroism that keep them out of being villains. Undead are either mindless automata executing their programming or - for the majority of intelligent undead - capable of genuine love and altruism. [[Dark Elves (Warhammer Fantasy)\|Dark elves]] are cruel and have a culture based on torture and slavery, but they are more driven by historical grievances and an inhospitable homeland, and can display family loyalty along with traits that some would call decent or even questionably heroic.

	Orcs and Goblins are violent brutes, but they'll develop what could be considered friendships and attachments to their fellows, and even the most brutal Black Orc will cry if his pet squig dies (Not in front of the other boyz though, because they'll all see him as nothing but a runty git). Or at the very least he will bash someone’s head into the ground; point is, he'll grieve. Ogres are well-known to be gluttonous and casually cruel almost to a man, but they usually still love their families and their Gnoblar pets, and any Maneater worth his salt is good for his word upon payment. Despite their propensities towards [[Khorne\|killing]], [[Tzeentch\|scheming]], [[Nurgle\|festering]] and [[Slaanesh\|raping]], the mortal followers of Chaos are capable of honor, friendship and a warped form of love. Even the [[Beastman\|Beastmen]], who are also inherently evil like the Skaven, respect their chieftains and shamans, deal honorably with their few allies and give worthy foes a fair fight. Even daemons usually respect the chain of command without [[Drow\|constantly trying to murder their leaders and take their place]].		Orcs and Goblins are violent brutes, but they'll develop what could be considered friendships and attachments to their fellows, and even the most brutal Black Orc will cry if his pet squig dies (Not in front of the other boyz though, because they'll completely understand but out of Orky manners all see him as nothing but a runty git). Or at the very least he will bash someone’s head into the ground; point is, he'll grieve. Ogres are well-known to be gluttonous and casually cruel almost to a man, but they usually still love their families and their Gnoblar pets, and any Maneater worth his salt is good for his word upon payment. Despite their propensities towards [[Khorne\|killing]], [[Tzeentch\|scheming]], [[Nurgle\|festering]] and [[Slaanesh\|raping]], the mortal followers of Chaos are capable of honor, friendship and a warped form of love. Even the [[Beastman\|Beastmen]], who are also inherently evil like the Skaven, respect their chieftains and shamans, deal honorably with their few allies and give worthy foes a fair fight. Even daemons usually respect the chain of command without [[Drow\|constantly trying to murder their leaders and take their place]].

	Skaven have none of the above qualities, or any other that could be considered even vaguely noble or redeeming: they openly hate everyone and everything, are more cowardly and paranoid than any goblin, more cruel and xenophobic than Dark Elves, and more fractious than Chaos. Love, friendship and honor are completely alien to the Skaven's psyche. This is even reflected in their language, they merely refer to anyone who is not a Skaven as a thing (i.e. Man-things, Elf-things, you get the idea) waiting to be exploited. Due to their chronic backstabbing disorder, nobody trusts them, likes them, or wants to be 'allies' with them (except Dark Elves, who have a treaty with them that both sides betray at times). The only times they have done something that benefited non-Skaven or the world, such as helping beat the first incarnation of Nagash, are for purely selfish reasons - Nagash denied them warpstone and was a threat to them too. One of the only three reasons the Skaven have lasted this long and not killed themselves in an ''en masse'' fratricidal free-for-all is because their hatred of all other things outweighs their hatred of other Skaven by '''''just enough''''' for them to slightly function (that and their crazy-high birthrates or the direct intervention of their god, who's little better than them). However the 'just enough' cannot be stressed enough. Even with the all-out doom of their race present, as with Nagash or Chaos, they're still intent on fucking each other over. <strike>If</strike> when possible, Skaven <strike>would</strike> will kill each other in the womb.		Skaven have none of the above qualities, or any other that could be considered even vaguely noble or redeeming: they openly hate everyone and everything, are more cowardly and paranoid than any goblin, more cruel and xenophobic than Dark Elves, and more fractious than Chaos. Love, friendship and honor are completely alien to the Skaven's psyche. This is even reflected in their language, they merely refer to anyone who is not a Skaven as a thing (i.e. Man-things, Elf-things, you get the idea) waiting to be exploited. Due to their chronic backstabbing disorder, nobody trusts them, likes them, or wants to be 'allies' with them (except Dark Elves, who have a treaty with them that both sides betray at times). The only times they have done something that benefited non-Skaven or the world, such as helping beat the first incarnation of Nagash, are for purely selfish reasons - Nagash denied them warpstone and was a threat to them too. One of the only three reasons the Skaven have lasted this long and not killed themselves in an ''en masse'' fratricidal free-for-all is because their hatred of all other things outweighs their hatred of other Skaven by '''''just enough''''' for them to slightly function (that and their crazy-high birthrates or the direct intervention of their god, who's little better than them). However the 'just enough' cannot be stressed enough. Even with the all-out doom of their race present, as with Nagash or Chaos, they're still intent on fucking each other over. <strike>If</strike> when possible, Skaven <strike>would</strike> will kill each other in the womb.

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	In fact, if the root of the Skaven's evil nature could be traced to both their terrible environment and the terrible culture that both feeds and feeds off of that environment rather than anything genetic, theoretically, there ''could'' actually be ''good'' Skaven if they were somehow separated from Skavenblight immediately after birth and raised outside of it by someone willing to give them a chance. However, seeing as how the primary…“engines” of Skaven reproduction are heavily guarded in the very heart of Skavenblight, and literally every other race in Warhammer is hard-wired to kill the mangy rat-bastards on sight (and with FUCKING good reason), such a thing will almost certainly remain purely theoretical. Especially since all that trouble would ultimately amount to little more than proving a petty point, with little to no real pay-off beyond making the Horned Rat personally pissed off at you (then again there are [[Tzeentch\|some]] that might find ''that'' outcome a goal in and of itself).		In fact, if the root of the Skaven's evil nature could be traced to both their terrible environment and the terrible culture that both feeds and feeds off of that environment rather than anything genetic, theoretically, there ''could'' actually be ''good'' Skaven if they were somehow separated from Skavenblight immediately after birth and raised outside of it by someone willing to give them a chance. However, seeing as how the primary…“engines” of Skaven reproduction are heavily guarded in the very heart of Skavenblight, and literally every other race in Warhammer is hard-wired to kill the mangy rat-bastards on sight (and with FUCKING good reason), such a thing will almost certainly remain purely theoretical. Especially since all that trouble would ultimately amount to little more than proving a petty point, with little to no real pay-off beyond making the Horned Rat personally pissed off at you (then again there are [[Tzeentch\|some]] that might find ''that'' outcome a goal in and of itself).

	Funnily enough, in real life the common ~~pet~~ rat ~~(Fancy Rat)~~ is actually highly social, friendly, adaptable, clean, curious and even altruistic of all things. One could imagine the Skaven in some noblebright/nobledark Warhammer setting basically out-compete all the other races and then dragging them kicking and screaming (at least not the [[Chaos Warrior\|crazy ones]]) into some wider federation or empire while turning the world into an atompunk (warp-punk?) setting. Wait, this sounds [[Tau\|awfully familiar]]...		Funnily enough, in real life the common rat is actually highly social, friendly, adaptable, clean, curious and even altruistic of all things, even in wild Population much less human pet rats (fancy rats). One could imagine the Skaven in some noblebright/nobledark Warhammer setting basically out-compete all the other races and then dragging them kicking and screaming (at least not the [[Chaos Warrior\|crazy ones]]) into some wider federation or empire while turning the world into an atompunk (warp-punk?) setting. Wait, this sounds [[Tau\|awfully familiar]]...

	=== Armies ===		=== Armies ===

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	The Skaven themselves have no records of their origins, and do not particularly care about their past. As far as they are concerned, the only relevant historical eras are "now, when we don't rule the world" and "soon, when we will be ruling it". Of course, any given Skaven will be plenty interested in the history of his own life, but the history of the rest of their race is dismissed as unimportant. On day to day affairs, history is whatever the Council of 13 says it is, though it wouldn't be surprising if Grey Seers keep records.		The Skaven themselves have no records of their origins, and do not particularly care about their past. As far as they are concerned, the only relevant historical eras are "now, when we don't rule the world" and "soon, when we will be ruling it". Of course, any given Skaven will be plenty interested in the history of his own life, but the history of the rest of their race is dismissed as unimportant. On day to day affairs, history is whatever the Council of 13 says it is, though it wouldn't be surprising if Grey Seers keep records.

			====The 9th Age====

	==== Age of Sigmar ====		==== Age of Sigmar ====

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	The '''Skaven''' are technologically advanced [[ratfolk]] in the [[Warhammer Fantasy]] and [[Age of Sigmar]] settings. Ugly, evil creatures that spread [[AIDS\|plague]] wherever they go and topple kingdoms for fun and [[profit]], you will be hard pressed to find a more unlikeable race out there. Much like the [[Orks]], they're so excessively over-the-top that it's pretty funny.		The '''Skaven''' (both singular and plural) are technologically advanced [[ratfolk]] in the [[Warhammer Fantasy]] and [[Age of Sigmar]] settings. Ugly, evil creatures that spread [[AIDS\|plague]] wherever they go and topple kingdoms for fun and [[profit]], you will be hard pressed to find a more unlikeable race out there. Much like the [[Orks]], they're so excessively over-the-top that it's pretty funny.

	Skaven are said to be '''''the''''' most evil race in the entire setting, and that's no idle claim. For all [[The Empire (Warhammer Fantasy)\|the Empire]], [[Bretonnia]]ns, [[Dwarf (Warhammer Fantasy)\|Dwarfs]], [[High Elves (Warhammer Fantasy)\|High Elves]], [[Wood Elves (Warhammer Fantasy)\|Wood Elves]] and [[Lizardmen]]'s many flaws (and make no mistake, they ''are'' numerous) each of them has at least some claims to genuine heroism that keep them out of being villains. Undead are either mindless automata executing their programming or - for the majority of intelligent undead - capable of genuine love and altruism. [[Dark Elves (Warhammer Fantasy)\|Dark elves]] are cruel and have a culture based on torture and slavery, but they are more driven by historical grievances and an inhospitable homeland, and can display family loyalty along with traits that some would call decent or even questionably heroic.		Skaven are said to be '''''the''''' most evil race in the entire setting, and that's no idle claim. For all [[The Empire (Warhammer Fantasy)\|the Empire]], [[Bretonnia]]ns, [[Dwarf (Warhammer Fantasy)\|Dwarfs]], [[High Elves (Warhammer Fantasy)\|High Elves]], [[Wood Elves (Warhammer Fantasy)\|Wood Elves]] and [[Lizardmen]]'s many flaws (and make no mistake, they ''are'' numerous) each of them has at least some claims to genuine heroism that keep them out of being villains. Undead are either mindless automata executing their programming or - for the majority of intelligent undead - capable of genuine love and altruism. [[Dark Elves (Warhammer Fantasy)\|Dark elves]] are cruel and have a culture based on torture and slavery, but they are more driven by historical grievances and an inhospitable homeland, and can display family loyalty along with traits that some would call decent or even questionably heroic.

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	==In Other Media==		==In Other Media==
	While not ripped off as much as some of the other concepts Warhammer <strike>created</strike> expanded upon from existing sources, like Mesoamerican lizard people or Orcs/Goblins with green skin, Skaven have helped popularize rat people as a more standard fantasy race in a few places. Its theorized by some that the inclusion of [[Nezumi]] in the Asiatic settings of [[Dungeons & Dragons]] and [[Magic: The Gathering]] were inspired by the popularity of ~~Skaven~~. Still, Skaven as a whole remain one of the most iconic things that are wholly unique to Warhammer. The League Of Legends character Twitch is clearly inspired by Skaven and has a line referencing them, although he lacks the insane flamboyancy compared to the setting he's in that Skaven have. They even had enough mainstream awareness to be referenced by British journalist Stewart Lee in the Guardian (comparing Brexit negotiations to Plague Monks, naturally).		While not ripped off as much as some of the other concepts Warhammer <strike>created</strike> expanded upon from existing sources, like Mesoamerican lizard people or Orcs/Goblins with green skin, Skaven have helped popularize rat people as a more standard fantasy race in a few places. Its theorized by some that the inclusion of [[Nezumi]] in the Asiatic settings of [[Dungeons & Dragons]] and [[Magic: The Gathering]] were inspired by the popularity of [[Clan Eshin]] (who themselves are theorized to have been inspired by Splinter from the [[Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles]]). Still, Skaven as a whole remain one of the most iconic things that are wholly unique to Warhammer. The League Of Legends character Twitch is clearly inspired by Skaven and has a line referencing them, although he lacks the insane flamboyancy compared to the setting he's in that Skaven have. They even had enough mainstream awareness to be referenced by British journalist Stewart Lee in the Guardian (comparing Brexit negotiations to Plague Monks, naturally).

	The most direct and unexpected place for them to appear is being referenced to exist in both the Japanese and English versions of the anime [[Goblin Slayer]], listed off as a type of monster to specialize in studying. Just the idea of a Skaven Slayer could also be nod to [[Gotrek & Felix]]. HOW the Skaven ended up in the Four-Cornered World remains a mystery, but seeing as to how they have Gnawholes, Skittergates, and love screwing around with Warpstone which could explode and open portals, along with the capacity for building Rocket Ships, well, pick your poison.		The most direct and unexpected place for them to appear is being referenced to exist in both the Japanese and English versions of the anime [[Goblin Slayer]], listed off as a type of monster to specialize in studying. Just the idea of a Skaven Slayer could also be nod to [[Gotrek & Felix]]. HOW the Skaven ended up in the Four-Cornered World remains a mystery, but seeing as to how they have Gnawholes, Skittergates, and love screwing around with Warpstone which could explode and open portals, along with the capacity for building Rocket Ships, well, pick your poison.

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	Orcs and Goblins are violent brutes, but they'll develop what could be considered friendships and attachments to their fellows, and even the most brutal Black Orc will cry if his pet squig dies (Not in front of the other boyz though, because they'll all see him as nothing but a runty git). Or at the very least he will bash someone’s head into the ground; point is, he'll grieve. Ogres are well-known to be gluttonous and casually cruel almost to a man, but they usually still love their families and their Gnoblar pets, and any Maneater worth his salt is good for his word upon payment. Despite their propensities towards [[Khorne\|killing]], [[Tzeentch\|scheming]], [[Nurgle\|festering]] and [[Slaanesh\|raping]], the mortal followers of Chaos are capable of honor, friendship and a warped form of love. Even the [[Beastman\|Beastmen]], who are also inherently evil like the Skaven, respect their chieftains and shamans, deal honorably with their few allies and give worthy foes a fair fight. Even daemons usually respect the chain of command without [[Drow\|constantly trying to murder their leaders and take their place]].		Orcs and Goblins are violent brutes, but they'll develop what could be considered friendships and attachments to their fellows, and even the most brutal Black Orc will cry if his pet squig dies (Not in front of the other boyz though, because they'll all see him as nothing but a runty git). Or at the very least he will bash someone’s head into the ground; point is, he'll grieve. Ogres are well-known to be gluttonous and casually cruel almost to a man, but they usually still love their families and their Gnoblar pets, and any Maneater worth his salt is good for his word upon payment. Despite their propensities towards [[Khorne\|killing]], [[Tzeentch\|scheming]], [[Nurgle\|festering]] and [[Slaanesh\|raping]], the mortal followers of Chaos are capable of honor, friendship and a warped form of love. Even the [[Beastman\|Beastmen]], who are also inherently evil like the Skaven, respect their chieftains and shamans, deal honorably with their few allies and give worthy foes a fair fight. Even daemons usually respect the chain of command without [[Drow\|constantly trying to murder their leaders and take their place]].

	Skaven have none of the above qualities, or any other that could be considered even vaguely noble or redeeming: they openly hate everyone and everything, are more cowardly and paranoid than any goblin, more cruel and xenophobic than Dark Elves, and more fractious than Chaos. Love, friendship and honor are completely alien to the Skaven's psyche. Due to their chronic backstabbing disorder, nobody trusts them, likes them, or wants to be 'allies' with them (except Dark Elves, who have a treaty with them that both sides betray at times). The only times they have done something that benefited non-Skaven or the world, such as helping beat the first incarnation of Nagash, are for purely selfish reasons - Nagash denied them warpstone and was a threat to them too. One of the only three reasons the Skaven have lasted this long and not killed themselves in an ''en masse'' fratricidal free-for-all is because their hatred of all other things outweighs their hatred of other Skaven by '''''just enough''''' for them to slightly function (that and their crazy-high birthrates or the direct intervention of their god, who's little better than them). However the 'just enough' cannot be stressed enough. Even with the all-out doom of their race present, as with Nagash or Chaos, they're still intent on fucking each other over. <strike>If</strike> when possible, Skaven <strike>would</strike> will kill each other in the womb.		Skaven have none of the above qualities, or any other that could be considered even vaguely noble or redeeming: they openly hate everyone and everything, are more cowardly and paranoid than any goblin, more cruel and xenophobic than Dark Elves, and more fractious than Chaos. Love, friendship and honor are completely alien to the Skaven's psyche. This is even reflected in their language, they merely refer to anyone who is not a Skaven as a thing (i.e. Man-things, Elf-things, you get the idea) waiting to be exploited. Due to their chronic backstabbing disorder, nobody trusts them, likes them, or wants to be 'allies' with them (except Dark Elves, who have a treaty with them that both sides betray at times). The only times they have done something that benefited non-Skaven or the world, such as helping beat the first incarnation of Nagash, are for purely selfish reasons - Nagash denied them warpstone and was a threat to them too. One of the only three reasons the Skaven have lasted this long and not killed themselves in an ''en masse'' fratricidal free-for-all is because their hatred of all other things outweighs their hatred of other Skaven by '''''just enough''''' for them to slightly function (that and their crazy-high birthrates or the direct intervention of their god, who's little better than them). However the 'just enough' cannot be stressed enough. Even with the all-out doom of their race present, as with Nagash or Chaos, they're still intent on fucking each other over. <strike>If</strike> when possible, Skaven <strike>would</strike> will kill each other in the womb.

	And that's why we ''love'' to hate them so much.		And that's why we ''love'' to hate them so much.

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	In fact, if the root of the Skaven's evil nature could be traced to both their terrible environment and the terrible culture that both feeds and feeds off of that environment rather than anything genetic, theoretically, there ''could'' actually be ''good'' Skaven if they were somehow separated from Skavenblight immediately after birth and raised outside of it by someone willing to give them a chance. However, seeing as how the primary…“engines” of Skaven reproduction are heavily guarded in the very heart of Skavenblight, and literally every other race in Warhammer is hard-wired to kill the mangy rat-bastards on sight (and with FUCKING good reason), such a thing will almost certainly remain purely theoretical. Especially since all that trouble would ultimately amount to little more than proving a petty point, with little to no real pay-off beyond making the Horned Rat personally pissed off at you (then again there are [[Tzeentch\|some]] that might find ''that'' outcome a goal in and of itself).		In fact, if the root of the Skaven's evil nature could be traced to both their terrible environment and the terrible culture that both feeds and feeds off of that environment rather than anything genetic, theoretically, there ''could'' actually be ''good'' Skaven if they were somehow separated from Skavenblight immediately after birth and raised outside of it by someone willing to give them a chance. However, seeing as how the primary…“engines” of Skaven reproduction are heavily guarded in the very heart of Skavenblight, and literally every other race in Warhammer is hard-wired to kill the mangy rat-bastards on sight (and with FUCKING good reason), such a thing will almost certainly remain purely theoretical. Especially since all that trouble would ultimately amount to little more than proving a petty point, with little to no real pay-off beyond making the Horned Rat personally pissed off at you (then again there are [[Tzeentch\|some]] that might find ''that'' outcome a goal in and of itself).

	Funnily enough, in real life the common pet rat (Fancy Rat) is actually highly social, friendly, adaptable, clean, curious and even altruistic of all things. One could imagine the Skaven in some noblebright/nobledark Warhammer setting basically out-compete all the other races and then dragging them kicking and screaming (at least not the [[Chaos Warrior\|crazy ones]] into some wider federation or empire while turning the world into an atompunk (warp-punk?) setting. Wait, this sounds [[Tau\|awfully familiar]]...		Funnily enough, in real life the common pet rat (Fancy Rat) is actually highly social, friendly, adaptable, clean, curious and even altruistic of all things. One could imagine the Skaven in some noblebright/nobledark Warhammer setting basically out-compete all the other races and then dragging them kicking and screaming (at least not the [[Chaos Warrior\|crazy ones]]) into some wider federation or empire while turning the world into an atompunk (warp-punk?) setting. Wait, this sounds [[Tau\|awfully familiar]]...

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