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	If the Soul Drinkers are descended from one of the lost legions, their behaviour (assuming it reflects their gene-sire) might go a long way in explaining why one of the lost primarchs was "disappeared". What is the most notable aspects of the Soul Drinkers? The fact that they openly declared that they fought for the good of humanity as a whole, rather than the Imperium and the High Lords of Terra. The idea that they are loyal to the human species as a whole, rather than any one individual or institution. Something that was very much unlike Rogal Dorn, in fact unlike most of the primarchs aside from maybe [[Jaghatai Khan]], [[Roboute Guilliman]], and [[Vulkan]]. Now extrapolate that behaviour up to the level of a primarch.		If the Soul Drinkers are descended from one of the lost legions, their behaviour (assuming it reflects their gene-sire) might go a long way in explaining why one of the lost primarchs was "disappeared". What is the most notable aspects of the Soul Drinkers? The fact that they openly declared that they fought for the good of humanity as a whole, rather than the Imperium and the High Lords of Terra. The idea that they are loyal to the human species as a whole, rather than any one individual or institution. Something that was very much unlike Rogal Dorn, in fact unlike most of the primarchs aside from maybe [[Jaghatai Khan]], [[Roboute Guilliman]], and [[Vulkan]]. Now extrapolate that behaviour up to the level of a primarch.

	One of the few things that seemed to make the Emperor angry, even more so than [[Chaos]] or [[xenos]], was disagreeing with his vision for humanity, as well as the idea that anyone other than him knew what was best for the species, much less that humanity deserved the right to self-determination (ironically, he ''does'' believe in humanity directing itself, just not until all of his plans are completed...eventually). ''Master of Mankind'' spells this out pretty explicitly. It's also very telling that the Emperor [[Lion El'Jonson\|valued]] [[Adeptus Custodes\|loyalty]] [[Rogal Dorn\|over]] [[Fulgrim\|any]] [[Malcador\|other]] [[Horus\|virtue]], including [[Perturabo\|creativity]], [[Lorgar\|devotion]], and [[Roboute Guilliman\|independent thought]]. [[Jaghatai Khan]] was one of the Emperor’s least favorite sons because he refused to drink the Kool-Aid and saw the Emperor as just another petty tyrant [[Imperial Truth\|who may not have had the best ideas on the future of humanity]], rather than buying into the Emperor's claims that he was leading humanity into a glorious new golden age. The Khan only sided with the Imperium because Jaghatai saw it as a lesser evil (and didn’t want to get [[BLAM]]med). The only reason the Khan wasn’t censured or executed was because he preferred to keep to himself, was smart enough to keep his mouth shut, and honestly didn't mind serving the Imperium in his own way: killing xenos scum [[Meme\|for great justice]] at the edges of the galaxy while everyone else built an empire behind him. Similarly, [[Angron]] and [[Mortarion]] were very vocal about how they considered the Emperor to be little better than a tyrant and a hypocrite, but the Emperor never censured them for saying these things because Angron and Mortarion always did as they were ordered (debatable in Angron's case, considering he was directly ordered to stop implanting his legion with the Butcher's Nails and, you know, didn't) and never did anything about how they saw the Emperor as a tyrant other than bitch and moan until the [[Horus Heresy]]. Imagine what would have happened if one of the Emperor’s sons told him, to his ''face'', that they disagreed with his visions for humanity, or that humanity deserved the right to rule itself? Would that have been enough for them to get purged? Probably not, but it wouldn't be the first thing the Primarchs left unsaid to daddy-E.		One of the few things that seemed to make the Emperor angry, even more so than [[Chaos]] or [[xenos]], was disagreeing with his vision for humanity, as well as the idea that anyone other than him knew what was best for the species, much less that humanity deserved the right to self-determination (ironically, he ''does'' believe in humanity directing itself, just not until all of his plans are completed...eventually). ''Master of Mankind'' spells this out pretty explicitly. It's also very telling that the Emperor [[Lion El'Jonson\|valued]] [[Adeptus Custodes\|loyalty]] [[Rogal Dorn\|over]] [[Fulgrim\|any]] [[Malcador\|other]] [[Horus\|virtue]], including [[Perturabo\|creativity]], [[Lorgar\|devotion]], and [[Roboute Guilliman\|independent thought]]. [[Jaghatai Khan]] was one of the Emperor’s least favorite sons because he refused to drink the Kool-Aid and saw the Emperor as just another petty tyrant [[Imperial Truth\|who may not have had the best ideas on the future of humanity]], rather than buying into the Emperor's claims that he was leading humanity into a glorious new golden age. The Khan only sided with the Imperium because Jaghatai saw it as a lesser evil (and didn’t want to get [[BLAM]]med) and he genuinely believed in the Emperor's vision for humanity, regardless of how much he disapproved of the method and if you can't think of a better way, then you just gotta roll with it or nothing gets done. The only reason the Khan wasn’t censured or executed was because he preferred to keep to himself, was smart enough to keep his mouth shut, and honestly didn't mind serving the Imperium in his own way: killing xenos scum [[Meme\|for great justice]] at the edges of the galaxy while everyone else built an empire behind him. Similarly, [[Angron]] and [[Mortarion]] were very vocal about how they considered the Emperor to be little better than a tyrant and a hypocrite, but the Emperor never censured them for saying these things because Angron and Mortarion always did as they were ordered (debatable in Angron's case, considering he was directly ordered to stop implanting his legion with the Butcher's Nails and, you know, didn't) and never did anything about how they saw the Emperor as a tyrant other than bitch and moan until the [[Horus Heresy]]. Imagine what would have happened if one of the Emperor’s sons told him, to his ''face'', that they disagreed with his visions for humanity, or that humanity deserved the right to rule itself? Would that have been enough for them to get purged? Probably not, but it wouldn't be the first thing the Primarchs left unsaid to daddy-E.

	Additionally, the re-founding of the Soul Drinkers indicates that the Primaris Soul Drinkers have identical gene-flaws to those of the original chapter. These geneflaws don't precisely match any geneflaws of any original legion, even though Cawl used untainted gene samples straight from the Sangprimum Portem/Magna Mater for re-foundings. And Cawl ''has'' mentioned thinking about using Lost Legion Geneseed in the past...		Additionally, the re-founding of the Soul Drinkers indicates that the Primaris Soul Drinkers have identical gene-flaws to those of the original chapter. These geneflaws don't precisely match any geneflaws of any original legion, even though Cawl used untainted gene samples straight from the Sangprimum Portem/Magna Mater for re-foundings. And Cawl ''has'' mentioned thinking about using Lost Legion Geneseed in the past...

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	If the Soul Drinkers are descended from one of the lost legions, their behaviour (assuming it reflects their gene-sire) might go a long way in explaining why one of the lost primarchs was "disappeared". What is the most notable aspects of the Soul Drinkers? The fact that they openly declared that they fought for the good of humanity as a whole, rather than the Imperium and the High Lords of Terra. The idea that they are loyal to the human species as a whole, rather than any one individual or institution. Something that was very much unlike Rogal Dorn, in fact unlike most of the primarchs aside from maybe [[Jaghatai Khan]], [[Roboute Guilliman]], and [[Vulkan]]. Now extrapolate that behaviour up to the level of a primarch.		If the Soul Drinkers are descended from one of the lost legions, their behaviour (assuming it reflects their gene-sire) might go a long way in explaining why one of the lost primarchs was "disappeared". What is the most notable aspects of the Soul Drinkers? The fact that they openly declared that they fought for the good of humanity as a whole, rather than the Imperium and the High Lords of Terra. The idea that they are loyal to the human species as a whole, rather than any one individual or institution. Something that was very much unlike Rogal Dorn, in fact unlike most of the primarchs aside from maybe [[Jaghatai Khan]], [[Roboute Guilliman]], and [[Vulkan]]. Now extrapolate that behaviour up to the level of a primarch.

	One of the few things that seemed to make the Emperor angry, even more so than [[Chaos]] or [[xenos]], was disagreeing with his vision for humanity, as well as the idea that anyone other than him knew what was best for the species, much less that humanity deserved the right to self-determination. ''Master of Mankind'' spells this out pretty explicitly. It's also very telling that the Emperor [[Lion El'Jonson\|valued]] [[Adeptus Custodes\|loyalty]] [[Rogal Dorn\|over]] [[Fulgrim\|any]] [[Malcador\|other]] [[Horus\|virtue]], including [[Perturabo\|creativity]], [[Lorgar\|devotion]], and [[Roboute Guilliman\|independent thought]]. [[Jaghatai Khan]] was one of the Emperor’s least favorite sons because he refused to drink the Kool-Aid and saw the Emperor as just another petty tyrant [[Imperial Truth\|who may not have had the best ideas on the future of humanity]], rather than buying into the Emperor's claims that he was leading humanity into a glorious new golden age. The Khan only sided with the Imperium because Jaghatai saw it as a lesser evil (and didn’t want to get [[BLAM]]med). The only reason the Khan wasn’t censured or executed was because he preferred to keep to himself, was smart enough to keep his mouth shut, and honestly didn't mind serving the Imperium in his own way: killing xenos scum [[Meme\|for great justice]] at the edges of the galaxy while everyone else built an empire behind him. Similarly, [[Angron]] and [[Mortarion]] were very vocal about how they considered the Emperor to be little better than a tyrant and a hypocrite, but the Emperor never censured them for saying these things because Angron and Mortarion always did as they were ordered (debatable in Angron's case, considering he was directly ordered to stop implanting his legion with the Butcher's Nails and, you know, didn't) and never did anything about how they saw the Emperor as a tyrant other than bitch and moan until the [[Horus Heresy]]. Imagine what would have happened if one of the Emperor’s sons told him, to his ''face'', that they disagreed with his visions for humanity, or that humanity deserved the right to rule itself? Would that have been enough for them to get purged? Probably not, but it wouldn't be the first thing the Primarchs left unsaid to daddy-E.		One of the few things that seemed to make the Emperor angry, even more so than [[Chaos]] or [[xenos]], was disagreeing with his vision for humanity, as well as the idea that anyone other than him knew what was best for the species, much less that humanity deserved the right to self-determination (ironically, he ''does'' believe in humanity directing itself, just not until all of his plans are completed...eventually). ''Master of Mankind'' spells this out pretty explicitly. It's also very telling that the Emperor [[Lion El'Jonson\|valued]] [[Adeptus Custodes\|loyalty]] [[Rogal Dorn\|over]] [[Fulgrim\|any]] [[Malcador\|other]] [[Horus\|virtue]], including [[Perturabo\|creativity]], [[Lorgar\|devotion]], and [[Roboute Guilliman\|independent thought]]. [[Jaghatai Khan]] was one of the Emperor’s least favorite sons because he refused to drink the Kool-Aid and saw the Emperor as just another petty tyrant [[Imperial Truth\|who may not have had the best ideas on the future of humanity]], rather than buying into the Emperor's claims that he was leading humanity into a glorious new golden age. The Khan only sided with the Imperium because Jaghatai saw it as a lesser evil (and didn’t want to get [[BLAM]]med). The only reason the Khan wasn’t censured or executed was because he preferred to keep to himself, was smart enough to keep his mouth shut, and honestly didn't mind serving the Imperium in his own way: killing xenos scum [[Meme\|for great justice]] at the edges of the galaxy while everyone else built an empire behind him. Similarly, [[Angron]] and [[Mortarion]] were very vocal about how they considered the Emperor to be little better than a tyrant and a hypocrite, but the Emperor never censured them for saying these things because Angron and Mortarion always did as they were ordered (debatable in Angron's case, considering he was directly ordered to stop implanting his legion with the Butcher's Nails and, you know, didn't) and never did anything about how they saw the Emperor as a tyrant other than bitch and moan until the [[Horus Heresy]]. Imagine what would have happened if one of the Emperor’s sons told him, to his ''face'', that they disagreed with his visions for humanity, or that humanity deserved the right to rule itself? Would that have been enough for them to get purged? Probably not, but it wouldn't be the first thing the Primarchs left unsaid to daddy-E.

	Additionally, the re-founding of the Soul Drinkers indicates that the Primaris Soul Drinkers have identical gene-flaws to those of the original chapter. These geneflaws don't precisely match any geneflaws of any original legion, even though Cawl used untainted gene samples straight from the Sangprimum Portem/Magna Mater for re-foundings. And Cawl ''has'' mentioned thinking about using Lost Legion Geneseed in the past...		Additionally, the re-founding of the Soul Drinkers indicates that the Primaris Soul Drinkers have identical gene-flaws to those of the original chapter. These geneflaws don't precisely match any geneflaws of any original legion, even though Cawl used untainted gene samples straight from the Sangprimum Portem/Magna Mater for re-foundings. And Cawl ''has'' mentioned thinking about using Lost Legion Geneseed in the past...

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	An upcoming novella by Ben Counter, ''Traitor by Deed,'' who just so happened to write the original Soul Drinkers novels, has a very interesting marine on the cover -- a Marine from the newly formed '''Soul Drinkers chapter of Primaris Space Marines.''' Officially declared a loyalist chapter by their actions at the end of the above novel series, the Soul Drinkers are one of the many destroyed chapters that were re-founded during the Ultima Founding with fresh Imperial Fist Primaris Marines, straight out of the Indomitus Crusade. As a result, they are composed entirely of Primaris marines and have no members who knew of the "old Chapter" under Sarpedon or the "old old Chapter" under Gorgoleon. They also likely don't adhere to the Catechism Martial (or any of Daenyathos' teachings) anymore given what happened the last time the chapter did that.		An upcoming novella by Ben Counter, ''Traitor by Deed,'' who just so happened to write the original Soul Drinkers novels, has a very interesting marine on the cover -- a Marine from the newly formed '''Soul Drinkers chapter of Primaris Space Marines.''' Officially declared a loyalist chapter by their actions at the end of the above novel series, the Soul Drinkers are one of the many destroyed chapters that were re-founded during the Ultima Founding with fresh Imperial Fist Primaris Marines, straight out of the Indomitus Crusade. As a result, they are composed entirely of Primaris marines and have no members who knew of the "old Chapter" under Sarpedon or the "old old Chapter" under Gorgoleon. They also likely don't adhere to the Catechism Martial (or any of Daenyathos' teachings) anymore given what happened the last time the chapter did that.

	The newly re-formed Soul Drinkers immediately are sent to Kepris to deal with a Chaos cult, which presumably goes about as well as possible for a chapter with a cursed name and a legacy of being tied to Chaos. Except, as it turns out, it's not a Chaos cult at all, but a cult started by a noblewoman whose family has been taken hostage by some Eldar from Biel-Tan. The Eldar are seeking to retrieve one of their ancient artefacts from one of the planet's many cathedrals, where it had been enshrined as a relic of the local Imperial saint. The Soul Drinkers team up with the remaining loyalists on the planet, plus an inquisitor who happened to be there (and who knows more about the OG Soul Drinkers than he lets on). Things actually go pretty well for the new Soul Drinkers, but one of their Marines smashes the Eldar artifact instead of letting the spess elves have it or handing it over to the inquisitor (the stupid Eldar should have asked nicely, can't negotiate with terrorists). The inquisitor gets all [[butthurt]] about it and tells the Marines that they've made an enemy of the Inquisition again. What, if anything, will come of this remains to be seen. From his reactions, Inquisitor Stheno might be a member of the Xenos Hybris faction. As a non-radical member wouldn't give a shit if some Eldar trinket was destroyed.		The newly re-formed Soul Drinkers immediately are sent to Kepris to deal with a Chaos cult, which presumably goes about as well as possible for a chapter with a cursed name and a legacy of being tied to Chaos. Except, as it turns out, it's not a Chaos cult at all, but a cult started by a noblewoman whose family has been taken hostage by some Eldar from Biel-Tan. The Eldar are seeking to retrieve one of their ancient artefacts from one of the planet's many cathedrals, where it had been enshrined as a relic of the local Imperial saint. The Soul Drinkers team up with the remaining loyalists on the planet, plus an inquisitor who happened to be there (and who knows more about the OG Soul Drinkers than he lets on). Things actually go pretty well for the new Soul Drinkers, but one of their Marines smashes the Eldar artifact instead of letting the spess elves have it or handing it over to the inquisitor (the stupid Eldar should have asked nicely, can't negotiate with terrorists). The inquisitor gets all [[butthurt]] about it and tells the Marines that they've made an enemy of the Inquisition again. What, if anything, will come of this remains to be seen. From his reactions, Inquisitor Stheno might be a member of the Xenos Hybris faction. As a non-radical member wouldn't give a shit if some Eldar trinket was destroyed. Considering how much the Space Marines even before Guilliman's return had been about at their limit of tolerating the Inquisition (even the Grey Knights were fraying) and Guilliman's view of them, this is probably very stupid. Hopefully, we'll have time to grab some popcorn.

	==Sons of the Lost Legions?==		==Sons of the Lost Legions?==

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	An upcoming novella by Ben Counter, ''Traitor by Deed,'' who just so happened to write the original Soul Drinkers novels, has a very interesting marine on the cover -- a Marine from the newly formed '''Soul Drinkers chapter of Primaris Space Marines.''' Officially declared a loyalist chapter by their actions at the end of the above novel series, the Soul Drinkers are one of the many destroyed chapters that were re-founded during the Ultima Founding with fresh Imperial Fist Primaris Marines, straight out of the Indomitus Crusade. As a result, they are composed entirely of Primaris marines and have no members who knew of the "old Chapter" under Sarpedon or the "old old Chapter" under Gorgoleon. They also likely don't adhere to the Catechism Martial (or any of Daenyathos' teachings) anymore given what happened the last time the chapter did that.		An upcoming novella by Ben Counter, ''Traitor by Deed,'' who just so happened to write the original Soul Drinkers novels, has a very interesting marine on the cover -- a Marine from the newly formed '''Soul Drinkers chapter of Primaris Space Marines.''' Officially declared a loyalist chapter by their actions at the end of the above novel series, the Soul Drinkers are one of the many destroyed chapters that were re-founded during the Ultima Founding with fresh Imperial Fist Primaris Marines, straight out of the Indomitus Crusade. As a result, they are composed entirely of Primaris marines and have no members who knew of the "old Chapter" under Sarpedon or the "old old Chapter" under Gorgoleon. They also likely don't adhere to the Catechism Martial (or any of Daenyathos' teachings) anymore given what happened the last time the chapter did that.

	The newly re-formed Soul Drinkers immediately are sent to Kepris to deal with a Chaos cult, which presumably goes about as well as possible for a chapter with a cursed name and a legacy of being tied to Chaos. Except, as it turns out, it's not a Chaos cult at all, but a cult started by a noblewoman whose family has been taken hostage by some Eldar from Biel-Tan. The Eldar are seeking to retrieve one of their ancient artefacts from one of the planet's many cathedrals, where it had been enshrined as a relic of the local Imperial saint. The Soul Drinkers team up with the remaining loyalists on the planet, plus an inquisitor who happened to be there (and who knows more about the OG Soul Drinkers than he lets on). Things actually go pretty well for the new Soul Drinkers, but one of their Marines smashes the Eldar artifact instead of letting the spess elves have it or handing it over to the inquisitor. The inquisitor gets all [[butthurt]] about it and tells the Marines that they've made an enemy of the Inquisition again. What, if anything, will come of this remains to be seen. From his reactions, Inquisitor Stheno might be a member of the Xenos Hybris faction. As a non-radical member wouldn't give a shit if some Eldar trinket was destroyed.		The newly re-formed Soul Drinkers immediately are sent to Kepris to deal with a Chaos cult, which presumably goes about as well as possible for a chapter with a cursed name and a legacy of being tied to Chaos. Except, as it turns out, it's not a Chaos cult at all, but a cult started by a noblewoman whose family has been taken hostage by some Eldar from Biel-Tan. The Eldar are seeking to retrieve one of their ancient artefacts from one of the planet's many cathedrals, where it had been enshrined as a relic of the local Imperial saint. The Soul Drinkers team up with the remaining loyalists on the planet, plus an inquisitor who happened to be there (and who knows more about the OG Soul Drinkers than he lets on). Things actually go pretty well for the new Soul Drinkers, but one of their Marines smashes the Eldar artifact instead of letting the spess elves have it or handing it over to the inquisitor (the stupid Eldar should have asked nicely, can't negotiate with terrorists). The inquisitor gets all [[butthurt]] about it and tells the Marines that they've made an enemy of the Inquisition again. What, if anything, will come of this remains to be seen. From his reactions, Inquisitor Stheno might be a member of the Xenos Hybris faction. As a non-radical member wouldn't give a shit if some Eldar trinket was destroyed.

	==Sons of the Lost Legions?==		==Sons of the Lost Legions?==

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	''On the isolated world of Kepris, a Primaris Space Marine Chapter deploys to break the bloodthirsty cult that rules the world. But will this new Chapter's name spell its doom? After all, the universe has never been kind to the '''Soul Drinkers'''...''		''On the isolated world of Kepris, a Primaris Space Marine Chapter deploys to break the bloodthirsty cult that rules the world. But will this new Chapter's name spell its doom? After all, the universe has never been kind to the '''Soul Drinkers'''...''

	An upcoming novella by Ben Counter, ''Traitor by Deed,'' who just so happened to write the original Soul Drinkers novels, has a very interesting marine on the cover -- a Marine from the newly formed '''Soul Drinkers chapter of Primaris Space Marines.''' Officially declared a loyalist chapter by their actions at the end of the above novel series, the Soul Drinkers are one of the many destroyed chapters that were re-founded during the Ultima Founding with fresh Imperial Fist Primaris Marines, straight out of the Indomitus Crusade. As a result, they are composed entirely of Primaris marines and have no members who knew of the "old Chapter" under Sarpedon or the "old old Chapter" under Gorgoleon. They also likely don't adhere to the Catechism Martial (or any of Daenyathos' teachings) anymore given what happened the last time the chapter did that.		An upcoming novella by Ben Counter, ''Traitor by Deed,'' who just so happened to write the original Soul Drinkers novels, has a very interesting marine on the cover -- a Marine from the newly formed '''Soul Drinkers chapter of Primaris Space Marines.''' Officially declared a loyalist chapter by their actions at the end of the above novel series, the Soul Drinkers are one of the many destroyed chapters that were re-founded during the Ultima Founding with fresh Imperial Fist Primaris Marines, straight out of the Indomitus Crusade. As a result, they are composed entirely of Primaris marines and have no members who knew of the "old Chapter" under Sarpedon or the "old old Chapter" under Gorgoleon. They also likely don't adhere to the Catechism Martial (or any of Daenyathos' teachings) anymore given what happened the last time the chapter did that.

	The newly re-formed Soul Drinkers immediately are sent to Kepris to deal with a Chaos cult, which presumably goes about as well as possible for a chapter with a cursed name and a legacy of being tied to Chaos. Except, as it turns out, it's not a Chaos cult at all, but a cult started by a noblewoman whose family has been taken hostage by some Eldar from Biel-Tan. The Eldar are seeking to retrieve one of their ancient artefacts from one of the planet's many cathedrals, where it had been enshrined as a relic of the local Imperial saint. The Soul Drinkers team up with the remaining loyalists on the planet, plus an inquisitor who happened to be there (and who knows more about the OG Soul Drinkers than he lets on). Things actually go pretty well for the new Soul Drinkers, but one of their Marines smashes the Eldar artifact instead of letting the spess elves have it or handing it over to the inquisitor. The inquisitor gets all [[butthurt]] about it and tells the Marines that they've made an enemy of the Inquisition again. What, if anything, will come of this remains to be seen. From his reactions, Inquisitor Stheno might be a member of the Xenos Hybris faction. As a non-radical member wouldn't give a shit if some Eldar trinket was destroyed.		The newly re-formed Soul Drinkers immediately are sent to Kepris to deal with a Chaos cult, which presumably goes about as well as possible for a chapter with a cursed name and a legacy of being tied to Chaos. Except, as it turns out, it's not a Chaos cult at all, but a cult started by a noblewoman whose family has been taken hostage by some Eldar from Biel-Tan. The Eldar are seeking to retrieve one of their ancient artefacts from one of the planet's many cathedrals, where it had been enshrined as a relic of the local Imperial saint. The Soul Drinkers team up with the remaining loyalists on the planet, plus an inquisitor who happened to be there (and who knows more about the OG Soul Drinkers than he lets on). Things actually go pretty well for the new Soul Drinkers, but one of their Marines smashes the Eldar artifact instead of letting the spess elves have it or handing it over to the inquisitor. The inquisitor gets all [[butthurt]] about it and tells the Marines that they've made an enemy of the Inquisition again. What, if anything, will come of this remains to be seen. From his reactions, Inquisitor Stheno might be a member of the Xenos Hybris faction. As a non-radical member wouldn't give a shit if some Eldar trinket was destroyed.

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	If the Soul Drinkers are descended from one of the lost legions, their behaviour (assuming it reflects their gene-sire) might go a long way in explaining why one of the lost primarchs was "disappeared". What is the most notable aspects of the Soul Drinkers? The fact that they openly declared that they fought for the good of humanity as a whole, rather than the Imperium and the High Lords of Terra. The idea that they are loyal to the human species as a whole, rather than any one individual or institution. Something that was very much unlike Rogal Dorn, in fact unlike most of the primarchs aside from maybe [[Jaghatai Khan]], [[Roboute Guilliman]], and [[Vulkan]]. Now extrapolate that behaviour up to the level of a primarch.		If the Soul Drinkers are descended from one of the lost legions, their behaviour (assuming it reflects their gene-sire) might go a long way in explaining why one of the lost primarchs was "disappeared". What is the most notable aspects of the Soul Drinkers? The fact that they openly declared that they fought for the good of humanity as a whole, rather than the Imperium and the High Lords of Terra. The idea that they are loyal to the human species as a whole, rather than any one individual or institution. Something that was very much unlike Rogal Dorn, in fact unlike most of the primarchs aside from maybe [[Jaghatai Khan]], [[Roboute Guilliman]], and [[Vulkan]]. Now extrapolate that behaviour up to the level of a primarch.

	One of the few things that seemed to make the Emperor angry, even more so than [[Chaos]] or [[xenos]], was disagreeing with his vision for humanity, as well as the idea that anyone other than him knew what was best for the species, much less that humanity deserved the right to self-determination. ''Master of Mankind'' spells this out pretty explicitly. It's also very telling that the Emperor [[Lion El'Jonson\|valued]] [[Adeptus Custodes\|loyalty]] [[Rogal Dorn\|over]] [[Fulgrim\|any]] [[Malcador\|other]] [[Horus\|virtue]], including [[Perturabo\|creativity]], [[Lorgar\|devotion]], and [[Roboute Guilliman\|independent thought]]. [[Jaghatai Khan]] was one of the Emperor’s least favorite sons because he refused to drink the Kool-Aid and saw the Emperor as just another petty tyrant [[Imperial Truth\|who may not have had the best ideas on the future of humanity]], rather than buying into the Emperor's claims that he was leading humanity into a glorious new golden age. The Khan only sided with the Imperium because Jaghatai saw it as a lesser evil (and didn’t want to get [[BLAM]]med). The only reason the Khan wasn’t censured or executed was because he preferred to keep to himself, was smart enough to keep his mouth shut, and honestly didn't mind serving the Imperium in his own way: killing xenos scum [[Meme\|for great justice]] at the edges of the galaxy while everyone else built an empire behind him. Similarly, [[Angron]] and [[Mortarion]] were very vocal about how they considered the Emperor to be little better than a tyrant and a hypocrite, but the Emperor never censured them for saying these things because Angron and Mortarion always did as they were ordered (debatable in Angron's case, considering he was directly ordered to stop implanting his legion with the Butcher's Nails and, you know, didn't) and never did anything about how they saw the Emperor as a tyrant other than bitch and moan until the [[Horus Heresy]]. Imagine what would have happened if one of the Emperor’s sons told him, to his ''face'', that they disagreed with his visions for humanity, or that humanity deserved the right to rule itself? Would that have been enough for them to get purged?		One of the few things that seemed to make the Emperor angry, even more so than [[Chaos]] or [[xenos]], was disagreeing with his vision for humanity, as well as the idea that anyone other than him knew what was best for the species, much less that humanity deserved the right to self-determination. ''Master of Mankind'' spells this out pretty explicitly. It's also very telling that the Emperor [[Lion El'Jonson\|valued]] [[Adeptus Custodes\|loyalty]] [[Rogal Dorn\|over]] [[Fulgrim\|any]] [[Malcador\|other]] [[Horus\|virtue]], including [[Perturabo\|creativity]], [[Lorgar\|devotion]], and [[Roboute Guilliman\|independent thought]]. [[Jaghatai Khan]] was one of the Emperor’s least favorite sons because he refused to drink the Kool-Aid and saw the Emperor as just another petty tyrant [[Imperial Truth\|who may not have had the best ideas on the future of humanity]], rather than buying into the Emperor's claims that he was leading humanity into a glorious new golden age. The Khan only sided with the Imperium because Jaghatai saw it as a lesser evil (and didn’t want to get [[BLAM]]med). The only reason the Khan wasn’t censured or executed was because he preferred to keep to himself, was smart enough to keep his mouth shut, and honestly didn't mind serving the Imperium in his own way: killing xenos scum [[Meme\|for great justice]] at the edges of the galaxy while everyone else built an empire behind him. Similarly, [[Angron]] and [[Mortarion]] were very vocal about how they considered the Emperor to be little better than a tyrant and a hypocrite, but the Emperor never censured them for saying these things because Angron and Mortarion always did as they were ordered (debatable in Angron's case, considering he was directly ordered to stop implanting his legion with the Butcher's Nails and, you know, didn't) and never did anything about how they saw the Emperor as a tyrant other than bitch and moan until the [[Horus Heresy]]. Imagine what would have happened if one of the Emperor’s sons told him, to his ''face'', that they disagreed with his visions for humanity, or that humanity deserved the right to rule itself? Would that have been enough for them to get purged? Probably not, but it wouldn't be the first thing the Primarchs left unsaid to daddy-E.

	Additionally, the re-founding of the Soul Drinkers indicates that the Primaris Soul Drinkers have identical gene-flaws to those of the original chapter. These geneflaws don't precisely match any geneflaws of any original legion, even though Cawl used untainted gene samples straight from the Sangprimum Portem/Magna Mater for re-foundings. And Cawl ''has'' mentioned thinking about using Lost Legion Geneseed in the past...		Additionally, the re-founding of the Soul Drinkers indicates that the Primaris Soul Drinkers have identical gene-flaws to those of the original chapter. These geneflaws don't precisely match any geneflaws of any original legion, even though Cawl used untainted gene samples straight from the Sangprimum Portem/Magna Mater for re-foundings. And Cawl ''has'' mentioned thinking about using Lost Legion Geneseed in the past...

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	{{Topquote\|Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself.\|Aral Vorkosigan}}		{{Topquote\|Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself.\|Aral Vorkosigan}}

	{{Topquote\|~~Fuck my~~ life.\|~~Superbad~~}}		{{Topquote\|When life ends up breathtakingly fucked, you can generally trace it back to one big, bad decision.\|Deadpool}}

	The '''Soul Drinkers''' were a chapter of [[Space Marines]] descended from the [[Imperial Fists]] (officially). They are the subject of [[Ben Counter\|Ben Counter's]] ''Soul Drinkers'' novel series. They are unique among the Space Marines because unlike Imperial or [[Chaos Space Marines]], the Soul Drinkers serve neither the [[Imperium of Man]] or [[Chaos]], but rather fight for the [[God-Emperor of Mankind\|Emperor]]'s ideals. If it sounds weird, the reality is much more complex. Perhaps some explanation is in order.		The '''Soul Drinkers''' were a chapter of [[Space Marines]] descended from the [[Imperial Fists]] (officially). They are the subject of [[Ben Counter\|Ben Counter's]] ''Soul Drinkers'' novel series. They are unique among the Space Marines because unlike Imperial or [[Chaos Space Marines]], the Soul Drinkers serve neither the [[Imperium of Man]] or [[Chaos]], but rather fight for the [[God-Emperor of Mankind\|Emperor]]'s ideals. If it sounds weird, the reality is much more complex. Perhaps some explanation is in order.

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	{{Topquote\|Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself.\|Aral Vorkosigan}}		{{Topquote\|Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself.\|Aral Vorkosigan}}

	{{Topquote\|~~Fuck my~~ life.\|~~Superbad~~}}		{{Topquote\|When life ends up breathtakingly fucked, you can generally trace it back to one big, bad decision.\|Deadpool}}

	The '''Soul Drinkers''' were a chapter of [[Space Marines]] descended from the [[Imperial Fists]] (officially). They are the subject of [[Ben Counter\|Ben Counter's]] ''Soul Drinkers'' novel series. They are unique among the Space Marines because unlike Imperial or [[Chaos Space Marines]], the Soul Drinkers serve neither the [[Imperium of Man]] or [[Chaos]], but rather fight for the [[God-Emperor of Mankind\|Emperor]]'s ideals. If it sounds weird, the reality is much more complex. Perhaps some explanation is in order.		The '''Soul Drinkers''' were a chapter of [[Space Marines]] descended from the [[Imperial Fists]] (officially). They are the subject of [[Ben Counter\|Ben Counter's]] ''Soul Drinkers'' novel series. They are unique among the Space Marines because unlike Imperial or [[Chaos Space Marines]], the Soul Drinkers serve neither the [[Imperium of Man]] or [[Chaos]], but rather fight for the [[God-Emperor of Mankind\|Emperor]]'s ideals. If it sounds weird, the reality is much more complex. Perhaps some explanation is in order.