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They're the great great great great grandfather of the spanish intelligence community not to mention the FBI, CIA, MI5, KGB etc.

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	To continue from there, because they served a continuing valid purpose, and were usually fairly light hands, the main Inquisition never really went away. And with the removal of "heresy" from criminal law, any secular power they had is gone. Nowadays, they're an internal affairs watchdog and only a concern if you work for the Catholic Church.		To continue from there, because they served a continuing valid purpose, and were usually fairly light hands, the main Inquisition never really went away. And with the removal of "heresy" from criminal law, any secular power they had is gone. Nowadays, they're an internal affairs watchdog and only a concern if you work for the Catholic Church.

			While they no longer exist as an integrated state sponsored law enforcement group since the inquisition was itself an early police force & intelligence agency their methods are studied by investigators and law enforcement agencies to this day.

	== Relating to /tg/ ==		== Relating to /tg/ ==

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	Modern estimates based on incomplete but detailed records put the total number of people trialed from 1540 to 1700 at around 87,000, with 2,070 people being sentenced to death. With these death sentences, the numbers that ended with an execution ''in persona'' (the person is actually executed) is around 1,300. Some managed to escape the Inquisition before they were executed so instead they were executed ''in effigy'', as in an effigy of the accused was burned in their place; "executions" in this manner (again, from 1540 to 1700) numbered at around 770. Even with records being re-examined in the wake of the Catholic Church opening historical archives, even the highest estimates from historians put the death toll below 5,000 across their 354 years. This gives the Spanish Inquisition's trials during this period a death penalty rate of less than 1-in-40, which is milder than secular courts of the time. Sure, some inquisitors (like the infamous Torquemada) were trigger-happy fucknuts, but they were exception and not rule.		Modern estimates based on incomplete but detailed records put the total number of people trialed from 1540 to 1700 at around 87,000, with 2,070 people being sentenced to death. With these death sentences, the numbers that ended with an execution ''in persona'' (the person is actually executed) is around 1,300. Some managed to escape the Inquisition before they were executed so instead they were executed ''in effigy'', as in an effigy of the accused was burned in their place; "executions" in this manner (again, from 1540 to 1700) numbered at around 770. Even with records being re-examined in the wake of the Catholic Church opening historical archives, even the highest estimates from historians put the death toll below 5,000 across their 354 years. This gives the Spanish Inquisition's trials during this period a death penalty rate of less than 1-in-40, which is milder than secular courts of the time. Sure, some inquisitors (like the infamous Torquemada) were trigger-happy fucknuts, but they were exception and not rule.

	On top of that, one needs to keep in mind that, even with the clusterfuck that medieval jurisdiction could be, the Spanish Inquisition dealt with numerous crimes besides those of religious nature. Crimes of a (mostly) secular nature like espionage, forgery, smuggling, fraud, tax evasion and treason also fell under the purview of the inquisitors. And pursuing and punishing those who committed such crimes is ([[skub\|unlike the religious ones]]) justifiable even looking at them with a modern lens.		On top of that, one needs to keep in mind that, even with the clusterfuck that medieval jurisdiction could be, the Spanish Inquisition dealt with numerous crimes besides those of religious nature. Crimes of a (mostly) secular nature like espionage, forgery, smuggling, fraud, tax evasion and treason also fell under the purview of the inquisitors (fear of treason also played a role in the Spanish Inquisition's founding). And pursuing and punishing those who committed such crimes is ([[skub\|unlike the religious ones]]) justifiable even looking at them with a modern lens.

	==Geopolitical Implication==		==Geopolitical Implication==

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Reputation

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	This is a large part of why the most well-known Inquisitors are ones like the infamous [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom%C3%A1s_de_Torquemada Torquemada] - also because he was the Spanish Inquisition's co-founder and first leader - or his successor [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_de_Deza Diego Deza] rather than ones like [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardo_de_Sandoval_y_Rojas Bernardo Rojas] (a patron of many Spanish authors, including the creator of Don Quixote) and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Adrian_VI Adriaan Boeyens] (who left the position of Grand Inquisitor and became Pope, even trying to fight corruption in the Catholic Church).		This is a large part of why the most well-known Inquisitors are ones like the infamous [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom%C3%A1s_de_Torquemada Torquemada] - also because he was the Spanish Inquisition's co-founder and first leader - or his successor [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_de_Deza Diego Deza] rather than ones like [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardo_de_Sandoval_y_Rojas Bernardo Rojas] (a patron of many Spanish authors, including the creator of Don Quixote) and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Adrian_VI Adriaan Boeyens] (who left the position of Grand Inquisitor and became Pope, even trying to fight corruption in the Catholic Church).

	For all their flaws, various monarchs and Popes repeatedly reined in the Spanish Inquisition. The biggest example comes from Pope Sixtus IV himself - the very same Pope who ~~issued the decree to~~ establish the Spanish Inquisition in the first place. Sixtus IV saw so many complaints about Torquemada's abusiveness that '''he ~~tried~~ to disband the Spanish Inquisition three years after its founding''' (he only failed because the King and Queen coerced him by threatening to withhold military aid when the Turks threatened Rome and to continue the Inquisition regardless ~~without Church oversight~~).		For all their flaws, various monarchs and Popes repeatedly reined in the Spanish Inquisition. The biggest example comes from Pope Sixtus IV himself - the very same Pope who helped establish the Spanish Inquisition in the first place. Sixtus IV saw so many complaints about Torquemada's abusiveness that '''he gave the order to disband the Spanish Inquisition three years after its founding''' (he only failed because the King and Queen coerced him to rescind the order by threatening to withhold military aid when the Turks threatened Rome and to continue the Inquisition regardless).

	There is an important life lesson to be had here: if you believe something because you saw it in a movie, TV show, game or ~~learned it second-hand~~, you need to fact-check it... research it. And no, articles and such that just say “yeah, that’s the truth” are not research. Punching it into Google and reading the first thing it gives you isn't research either. Articles that explain the practices and history along with citing journals and such from that time is research (the Spanish Inquisition kept detailed records of their actions, most of which are in archives freely available to the public). If someone argues “everyone knows it”, then remember that truth is not a democracy, feelings are not facts and that "common knowledge" is almost always wrong.		There is an important life lesson to be had here: if you believe something because you saw it in a meme, movie, TV show, game or gossip, you need to fact-check it... research it. And no, articles and such that just say “yeah, that’s the truth” are not research. Punching it into Google and reading the first thing it gives you isn't research either. Articles that explain the practices and history along with citing journals and such from that time is research (the Spanish Inquisition kept detailed records of their actions, most of which are in archives freely available to the public). If someone argues “everyone knows it”, then remember that truth is not a democracy, feelings are not facts and that "common knowledge" is almost always wrong.

	== Punishments ==		== Punishments ==

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	== Death Toll ==		== Death Toll ==

	Modern estimates based on incomplete but detailed records put the total number of people trialed from 1540 to 1700 at around 87,000, with 2,070 people being sentenced to death. With these death sentences, the numbers that ended with an execution ''in persona'' (the person is actually executed) is around 1,300. Some managed to escape the Inquisition before they were executed so instead they were executed ''in effigy'', as in an effigy of the accused was burned in their place; "executions" in this manner (again, from 1540 to 1700) numbered at around 770. Even with records being re-examined in the wake of the Catholic Church opening historical archives, even the highest estimates from historians put the death toll below 5,000 across their 354 years.		Modern estimates based on incomplete but detailed records put the total number of people trialed from 1540 to 1700 at around 87,000, with 2,070 people being sentenced to death. With these death sentences, the numbers that ended with an execution ''in persona'' (the person is actually executed) is around 1,300. Some managed to escape the Inquisition before they were executed so instead they were executed ''in effigy'', as in an effigy of the accused was burned in their place; "executions" in this manner (again, from 1540 to 1700) numbered at around 770. Even with records being re-examined in the wake of the Catholic Church opening historical archives, even the highest estimates from historians put the death toll below 5,000 across their 354 years. This gives the Spanish Inquisition's trials during this period a death penalty rate of less than 1-in-40, which is milder than secular courts of the time. Sure, some inquisitors (like the infamous Torquemada) were trigger-happy fucknuts, but they were exception and not rule.

	~~This gives the Spanish Inquisitions trials during this period a death rate~~ of ~~less than 1-~~in~~-40~~, ~~and this is before factoring in whether or not~~ the ~~death sentences were actually warranted given~~ the Spanish Inquisition dealt with numerous crimes besides ~~heresy~~.		On top of that, one needs to keep in mind that, even with the clusterfuck that medieval jurisdiction could be, the Spanish Inquisition dealt with numerous crimes besides those of religious nature. Crimes of a (mostly) secular nature like espionage, forgery, smuggling, fraud, tax evasion and treason also fell under the purview of the inquisitors. And pursuing and punishing those who committed such crimes is ([[skub\|unlike the religious ones]]) justifiable even looking at them with a modern lens.

	==Geopolitical Implication==		==Geopolitical Implication==

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	This narrative picked up steam during the Enlightenment and the 19th century. Writers with an axe to grind against religion threw their hats into the ring, also capitalized on the narrative of a violently oppressive Spanish Inquisition and ran marathons with it for the past ~ 200 years. In modern times it's used almost exclusively by those eager to drag the reputation of the Catholic Church, all Christianity or religion itself through the mud. For example, the memetic "No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!" originated from the British series "Monty's Python's Flying Circus" and at least one showrunner had an avowed contempt for religion. Pop cultural references to the Inquisition inevitably ignore the distinction between the Church-controlled Inquisition and the state-controlled ones either because a fair and reasonable system typically makes for a dull movie or they have an agenda.		This narrative picked up steam during the Enlightenment and the 19th century. Writers with an axe to grind against religion threw their hats into the ring, also capitalized on the narrative of a violently oppressive Spanish Inquisition and ran marathons with it for the past ~ 200 years. In modern times it's used almost exclusively by those eager to drag the reputation of the Catholic Church, all Christianity or religion itself through the mud. For example, the memetic "No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!" originated from the British series "Monty's Python's Flying Circus" and at least one showrunner had an avowed contempt for religion. Pop cultural references to the Inquisition inevitably ignore the distinction between the Church-controlled Inquisition and the state-controlled ones either because a fair and reasonable system typically makes for a dull movie or they have an agenda.

	This is a large part of why the most well-known Inquisitors are ones like the infamous [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom%C3%A1s_de_Torquemada Torquemada] - also because he was the Spanish Inquisition's co-founder and first leader - or his successor [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_de_Deza Diego Deza] rather than ones like [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardo_de_Sandoval_y_Rojas Bernardo Rojas] (a patron of many Spanish authors, including the creator of Don Quixote) and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Adrian_VI Adriaan Boeyens] (who left the position of Grand Inquisitor and became Pope, even trying to fight corruption in the Catholic Church). For all their flaws, various monarchs and Popes repeatedly reined in the Spanish Inquisition. ~~For~~ example~~, while Torquemada really was a brutal zealot, a less known fact is that~~ Pope Sixtus IV - the Pope who issued the decree to ~~found~~ the Spanish Inquisition - saw so many complaints ~~of abuse from Torquemade~~ that '''he tried to disband the Spanish Inquisition three years after ~~it's~~ founding''' (he only failed because the King and Queen coerced him by threatening to withhold military aid when the Turks threatened Rome and to continue the Inquisition regardless without Church oversight).		This is a large part of why the most well-known Inquisitors are ones like the infamous [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom%C3%A1s_de_Torquemada Torquemada] - also because he was the Spanish Inquisition's co-founder and first leader - or his successor [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_de_Deza Diego Deza] rather than ones like [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardo_de_Sandoval_y_Rojas Bernardo Rojas] (a patron of many Spanish authors, including the creator of Don Quixote) and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Adrian_VI Adriaan Boeyens] (who left the position of Grand Inquisitor and became Pope, even trying to fight corruption in the Catholic Church).

			For all their flaws, various monarchs and Popes repeatedly reined in the Spanish Inquisition. The biggest example comes from Pope Sixtus IV himself - the very same Pope who issued the decree to establish the Spanish Inquisition in the first place. Sixtus IV saw so many complaints about Torquemada's abusiveness that '''he tried to disband the Spanish Inquisition three years after its founding''' (he only failed because the King and Queen coerced him by threatening to withhold military aid when the Turks threatened Rome and to continue the Inquisition regardless without Church oversight).

	There is an important life lesson to be had here: if you believe something because you saw it in a movie, TV show, game or learned it second-hand, you need to fact-check it... research it. And no, articles and such that just say “yeah, that’s the truth” are not research. Punching it into Google and reading the first thing it gives you isn't research either. Articles that explain the practices and history along with citing journals and such from that time is research (the Spanish Inquisition kept detailed records of their actions, most of which are in archives freely available to the public). If someone argues “everyone knows it”, then remember that truth is not a democracy, feelings are not facts and that "common knowledge" is almost always wrong.		There is an important life lesson to be had here: if you believe something because you saw it in a movie, TV show, game or learned it second-hand, you need to fact-check it... research it. And no, articles and such that just say “yeah, that’s the truth” are not research. Punching it into Google and reading the first thing it gives you isn't research either. Articles that explain the practices and history along with citing journals and such from that time is research (the Spanish Inquisition kept detailed records of their actions, most of which are in archives freely available to the public). If someone argues “everyone knows it”, then remember that truth is not a democracy, feelings are not facts and that "common knowledge" is almost always wrong.

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	== Punishments ==		== Punishments ==

	Most of punishments the Spanish Inquisition inflicted on people declared guilty was merely paying a fine or a short jail sentence~~, execution~~ was ~~a far less~~ common punishment for crimes. It's important to note that torture was not the punishment, torture was officially a means to extract a confession (~~and~~ on paper, at least, a last resort) - ~~though~~ a rather academic point for those subjected to torture. Methods of torture included:		Most of punishments the Spanish Inquisition inflicted on people declared guilty was merely paying a fine or a short jail sentence. Execution was the least common punishment for crimes, usually reserved for cases with vast amounts of evidence where the accused still refused to confess or repent or for people who spouted a grave [[Heresy]] and were repeat offender heretics.

			It's important to note that torture was not the punishment, torture was officially a means to extract a confession and (on paper, at least) a last resort - albeit a rather academic point for those subjected to torture. Methods of torture included:

	*Strappado: binding the victims hands behind their back and suspending them by their wrists. Sometimes a series of drops would be added, jerking the victim up and down and forcing their arms out of their sockets. Weights could be added to the victims body to make the hanging even more excruciating.		*Strappado: binding the victims hands behind their back and suspending them by their wrists. Sometimes a series of drops would be added, jerking the victim up and down and forcing their arms out of their sockets. Weights could be added to the victims body to make the hanging even more excruciating.
	*Toca, or [[waterboarding]]: securing the victim to an inclined board and binding them so that they cannot move. Then the victim is gagged and has a cloth placed over his or her face, and water poured over it. Toca gives the victim a feeling of drowning, even if no water enters the nose or mouth. CIA agents go through it as part of their training and on average last only 14 seconds before begging to be released.		*Toca, or [[waterboarding]]: securing the victim to an inclined board and binding them so that they cannot move. Then the victim is gagged and has a cloth placed over his or her face, and water poured over it. Toca gives the victim a feeling of drowning, even if no water enters the nose or mouth. CIA agents go through it as part of their training and on average last only 14 seconds before begging to be released.
	*The Rack: often considered the most painful of tortures by contemporaries. The victim had their hands and feet bound to rollers at opposite ends of a frame. ~~In theory, the~~ torturer would turn the rollers and the chains attached would dislocate the joints of the victim. In theory if the torturer continued to turn the rollers the victim's arms and legs would be torn off (probably not true, tendons and ligaments are incredibly strong. Reports of people being pulled apart by horses mention that they have to be helped by cutting the joints a bit to get the process started. Who knows though, maybe ratchets are just that effective, and some people spent a long time on the rack, which might loosen them up some). In practice, whether it happened or not, dismemberment would go against the Inquisition's own regulations (see below).		*The Rack: often considered the most painful of tortures by contemporaries. The victim had their hands and feet bound to rollers at opposite ends of a frame. The torturer would turn the rollers and the chains attached would dislocate the joints of the victim. In theory if the torturer continued to turn the rollers the victim's arms and legs would be torn off (probably not true, tendons and ligaments are incredibly strong. Reports of people being pulled apart by horses mention that they have to be helped by cutting the joints a bit to get the process started. Who knows though, maybe ratchets are just that effective, and some people spent a long time on the rack, which might loosen them up some). In practice, whether it happened or not, dismemberment would go against the Inquisition's own regulations (see below).

	There were, however, regulations in the Spanish Inquisition on how far ~~the~~ torture could go;		There were, however, regulations in the Spanish Inquisition on how far their use of torture could go;

	* It was limited to a certain amount of sessions per day.		* It was limited to a certain amount of sessions per day.
	* It was limited to ~~a certain amount of~~ minutes per session.		* It was limited to 15 minutes or less per session.
	* Permanent damage was prohibited (~~including~~ removing body parts)		* Permanent damage was prohibited (which obviously included removing body parts)
	* Drawing blood was prohibited		* Drawing blood was prohibited
	* Nothing that resulted in death		* Nothing that resulted in death
			* Torturing children was completely prohibited/not allowed under any circumstances

	They also required a doctor to oversee the torture, mainly to verify if the person's confession was genuine instead of rambling a pain-addled person. It's commonly publicized that Torquemada made frequent use of torture and was quick with the death penalty on those deemed guilty. Despite this - as the majority of his successors were fair or least far more moderate, the Spanish Inquisition are known to have been fairer, and used torture less often, than the secular courts at the time. Often, Inquisitors refused to use torture or outright decried torture as sinful.		They also required a doctor to oversee the torture, mainly to verify if the person's confession was genuine instead of rambling a pain-addled person and to ensure things didn't go too far. It's a commonly publicized fact that Torquemada made frequent use of torture and was quick with the death penalty on those deemed guilty. Despite this - as the majority of his successors were fair or least far more moderate, the Spanish Inquisition are known to have been fairer, and used torture less often, than the secular courts at the time. Often, Inquisitors refused to use torture or outright decried torture as sinful.

	It got to the point that many people on trial in secular courts for lesser crimes who would blaspheme or confess to heresy in the courtroom, just so they could be tried by the Spanish Inquisition instead, who would give them a fair(er) trial.		It got to the point that many people on trial in secular courts for lesser crimes who would blaspheme or confess to heresy in the courtroom, just so they could be tried by the Spanish Inquisition instead, who would give them a fair(er) trial.

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"The Inquisition Still Exists"

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	To explain: The main Catholic Church's version is the [[wikipedia:Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith\|Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith]] <ref>As it is ''currently'' known; it's gone by several names, historically, mainly because of the bad press the Spanish one had, and a few reorganizations.</ref> on which the Spanish one was based, still exists. But the most they can do is excommunicate you. For more detail, see about the Church controlled Inquisition in the Origins section, above.		To explain: The main Catholic Church's version is the [[wikipedia:Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith\|Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith]] <ref>As it is ''currently'' known; it's gone by several names, historically, mainly because of the bad press the Spanish one had, and a few reorganizations.</ref> on which the Spanish one was based, still exists. But the most they can do is excommunicate you. For more detail, see about the Church controlled Inquisition in the Origins section, above.

	To continue from there, because they served a continuing valid purpose, and were usually fairly light hands, the main Inquisition never really went away. And with the removal of "heresy" from criminal law, any secular power they had ~~was~~ gone. Nowadays, they're an internal affairs watchdog and only a concern if you work for the Catholic Church.		To continue from there, because they served a continuing valid purpose, and were usually fairly light hands, the main Inquisition never really went away. And with the removal of "heresy" from criminal law, any secular power they had is gone. Nowadays, they're an internal affairs watchdog and only a concern if you work for the Catholic Church.

	== Relating to /tg/ ==		== Relating to /tg/ ==