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	==Playing a Spirit Shaman==		==Playing a Spirit Shaman==
	Is the class worth it? It depends, while it does have more spells per day the class actually casts spontaneously like a [[Sorcerer]] does and in fact only knows a tiny amount of spells from the Druid list ''(only 3 per spell level in fact)''. Though the Shaman is allowed to change the selection each day by communing with their Spirit Guide, ~~that still leaves the character very slim on utility~~.		Is the class worth it? It depends, while it does have more spells per day the class actually casts spontaneously like a [[Sorcerer]] does and in fact only knows a tiny amount of spells from the Druid list ''(only 3 per spell level in fact)''. Though the Shaman is allowed to change the selection each day by communing with their Spirit Guide, which in theory gives them day to day versatility like a prepared caster.

	~~This is essentially what kills~~ the ~~class,~~ as ~~by comparison a [[Favored Soul]] cast~~ the ~~same number~~ of ~~spontaneous~~ spells~~-per-day as this class~~, ~~but knows up~~ to ~~'''six''' of each~~ level ~~instead of~~ just ~~'''three'''~~. ~~If you could just cast~~ the ~~''Whole List'' spontaneously that would have been awesome but~~ the ~~limitation~~ means ~~that regardless of being able~~ to ~~change~~ the ~~three each day, you will find that they inevitably end up spamming spells~~ the ~~same way that a~~ [[~~Warmage~~]] ~~does, but since Divine casters don't have as many damage dealing spells,~~ the ~~need for multiple uses of status effecting or social spells becomes unnecessary unless your player can think outside~~ of the ~~box~~ in ~~his approach~~ to ~~tactics. If your campaign is not combat focussed, then you were probably better off playing something else anyway~~.		Ultimately, the class’s tier depends largely on how strong you view the Druid’s spelllist as being. Druid has always been considered the weakest of the core full casters in terms of raw casting since most of its unique spells only work against a certain creature type (animal) that’s rare at higher levels, depend on certain parts of terrain (natural plants tend to be quite rare deep in a dungeon), or buff the animal companion a Spirit Shaman doesn’t have. While Druid has some standouts and things that are otherwise split between the Wizard and Cleric, they tend to come at a higher level than either and get their Tier 1 stats from the class features they have combined with their casting than just the casting on its own. On the plus side, Druids are core full casters and get new spells in almost every 3E book while the Spirit Shaman knows all of them. This means opinions tend to skew based on how much splat is dug through for shiny Druid spells or ways to expand the class list. Since the [[Tier System\|tier system]] was designed to base a class primarily on core and the book it came in instead of whatever the munchkin dragged in (with the occasional second placement if a single thing greatly impacts the class’s performance), this means the Spirit Shaman tends to get placed down in Tier 2 or even Tier 3 (but mostly 2).

	Unfortunately that suggests that the best use of the Spirit Shaman class is for transitioning into something else, but unless a new class has it's own spellcasting progression your character is unlikely to have the sheer daily spellcasting versatility of a '''proper''' [[Shaman]], or a [[Druid]] or [[Cleric]].		As for a dip level for those that just want some minor spellcasting powers without interrupting their primary class progression much, a single level or two of Spirit Shaman does not you any amount of low level freedom that a different class could not already give you either. It really depends upon your attitude to the Spirit world in your campaign then. But if you're in it for the class features, then you're better served remaining in this class to it's completion, since the class features are it's strong suit.

	~~Even as~~ for a dip level for those that just want some minor spellcasting powers without interrupting their primary class progression much, a single level or two of Spirit Shaman does not you any amount of low level freedom that a different class could not already give you either. It really depends upon your attitude to the Spirit world in your campaign then. But if you're in it for the class features, then you're better served remaining in this class to it's completion, since the class features are it's strong suit.


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	A character class in 3rd Edition [[D&D]].		A character class in 3rd Edition [[D&D]].

	The '''Spirit Shaman''' is a variant form of the '''[[Shaman]]''' class that has been made more "mainstream" since it's predecessor was first printed in '''Oriental Adventures''' and consisted mostly of a combination of elements of the [[Cleric]] and [[Druid]] classes.		The '''Spirit Shaman''' is a variant form of the '''[[Shaman]]''' class from the [[splatbook]] "Complete Divine", one that has been made more "mainstream", since it's predecessor was first printed in '''Oriental Adventures''' and consisted mostly of a combination of elements of the [[Cleric]] and [[Druid]] classes.

	The writers decided to go for a different avenue with the '''Spirit''' Shaman instead and make it completely unrecognisable from the previous version.		The writers decided to go for a different avenue with the '''Spirit''' Shaman instead and make it completely unrecognisable from the previous version.

1d4chan>Agiletek at 06:59, 18 October 2018

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	This one has much more of an rugged, outdoors-y feel to it. It has better fortitude saves, more spells per level and LOADS more supernatural abilities, though all designed to deal with '''"Spirits"''' ''(defined as Incorporeal Undead, Fey, Elementals and anything Astrally projecting)'' but impressively, they gain a spell like ability that can be used to ''Raise Dead'' with no penalty to the target. Eventually Spirit Shamans end up transcending the mortal world and become Fey. In fact at first level, they assign themselves a Spirit Guide which later gives them the ability to do various things, such as ''Detect Spirits'' for them ''([[Derp\|unlike]] the regular [[Shaman]]'s ability to just "see" spirits)'', allow them to resist enchantments and eventually can do the concentration on spells for them if they are too lazy to do it themselves.		This one has much more of an rugged, outdoors-y feel to it. It has better fortitude saves, more spells per level and LOADS more supernatural abilities, though all designed to deal with '''"Spirits"''' ''(defined as Incorporeal Undead, Fey, Elementals and anything Astrally projecting)'' but impressively, they gain a spell like ability that can be used to ''Raise Dead'' with no penalty to the target. Eventually Spirit Shamans end up transcending the mortal world and become Fey. In fact at first level, they assign themselves a Spirit Guide which later gives them the ability to do various things, such as ''Detect Spirits'' for them ''([[Derp\|unlike]] the regular [[Shaman]]'s ability to just "see" spirits)'', allow them to resist enchantments and eventually can do the concentration on spells for them if they are too lazy to do it themselves.

	One unusual thing about the class is that they are ~~both~~ spontaneous ~~''and'' prepared~~ casters~~. They function as a spontaneous caster except~~ for ~~the fact that~~ they "retrieve" their spells known at the start of the day letting them change their spells up. This would become the standard system for casting in 5th edition.		One unusual thing about the class is that while they are officially spontaneous casters for qualifications, they "retrieve" their spells known at the start of the day letting them change their spells up. This helps them cure conditions between adventures better. This would become the standard system for casting in 5th edition.

	==Playing a Spirit Shaman==		==Playing a Spirit Shaman==

1d4chan>Agiletek at 06:54, 18 October 2018

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	The writers decided to go for a different avenue with the '''Spirit''' Shaman instead and make it completely unrecognisable from the previous version.		The writers decided to go for a different avenue with the '''Spirit''' Shaman instead and make it completely unrecognisable from the previous version.

	This one has much more of an rugged, outdoors-y feel to it. It has better fortitude saves, more spells per level and LOADS more supernatural abilities, though all designed to deal with '''"Spirits"''' ''(defined as Incorporeal Undead, Fey, Elementals and anything Astrally projecting)'' but impressively, they gain a spell like ability that can be used to ''Raise Dead'' with no penalty to the target. Eventually Spirit Shamans end up transcending the mortal world and become Fey.		This one has much more of an rugged, outdoors-y feel to it. It has better fortitude saves, more spells per level and LOADS more supernatural abilities, though all designed to deal with '''"Spirits"''' ''(defined as Incorporeal Undead, Fey, Elementals and anything Astrally projecting)'' but impressively, they gain a spell like ability that can be used to ''Raise Dead'' with no penalty to the target. Eventually Spirit Shamans end up transcending the mortal world and become Fey. In fact at first level, they assign themselves a Spirit Guide which later gives them the ability to do various things, such as ''Detect Spirits'' for them ''([[Derp\|unlike]] the regular [[Shaman]]'s ability to just "see" spirits)'', allow them to resist enchantments and eventually can do the concentration on spells for them if they are too lazy to do it themselves.

	~~In fact at first level,~~ they ~~assign themselves a Spirit Guide which later gives them the ability to do various things, such as~~ ''~~Detect Spirits~~'' for ~~them ''([[Derp\|unlike]]~~ the ~~regular [[Shaman]]'s ability to just~~ "~~see~~" ~~spirits)'', allow~~ them ~~to resist enchantments and eventually can do~~ the ~~concentration on spells~~ for ~~them if they are too lazy to do it themselves~~.		One unusual thing about the class is that they are both spontaneous ''and'' prepared casters. They function as a spontaneous caster except for the fact that they "retrieve" their spells known at the start of the day letting them change their spells up. This would become the standard system for casting in 5th edition.

	==Playing a Spirit Shaman==		==Playing a Spirit Shaman==

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	some ~~kind~~ of ~~gary stu shammie~~		A character class in 3rd Edition [[D&D]].

			The '''Spirit Shaman''' is a variant form of the '''[[Shaman]]''' class that has been made more "mainstream" since it's predecessor was first printed in '''Oriental Adventures''' and consisted mostly of a combination of elements of the [[Cleric]] and [[Druid]] classes.

			The writers decided to go for a different avenue with the '''Spirit''' Shaman instead and make it completely unrecognisable from the previous version.

			This one has much more of an rugged, outdoors-y feel to it. It has better fortitude saves, more spells per level and LOADS more supernatural abilities, though all designed to deal with '''"Spirits"''' ''(defined as Incorporeal Undead, Fey, Elementals and anything Astrally projecting)'' but impressively, they gain a spell like ability that can be used to ''Raise Dead'' with no penalty to the target. Eventually Spirit Shamans end up transcending the mortal world and become Fey.

			In fact at first level, they assign themselves a Spirit Guide which later gives them the ability to do various things, such as ''Detect Spirits'' for them ''([[Derp\|unlike]] the regular [[Shaman]]'s ability to just "see" spirits)'', allow them to resist enchantments and eventually can do the concentration on spells for them if they are too lazy to do it themselves.

			==Playing a Spirit Shaman==
			Is the class worth it? It depends, while it does have more spells per day the class actually casts spontaneously like a [[Sorcerer]] does and in fact only knows a tiny amount of spells from the Druid list ''(only 3 per spell level in fact)''. Though the Shaman is allowed to change the selection each day by communing with their Spirit Guide, that still leaves the character very slim on utility.

			This is essentially what kills the class, as by comparison a [[Favored Soul]] cast the same number of spontaneous spells-per-day as this class, but knows up to '''six''' of each level instead of just '''three'''. If you could just cast the ''Whole List'' spontaneously that would have been awesome but the limitation means that regardless of being able to change the three each day, you will find that they inevitably end up spamming spells the same way that a [[Warmage]] does, but since Divine casters don't have as many damage dealing spells, the need for multiple uses of status effecting or social spells becomes unnecessary unless your player can think outside of the box in his approach to tactics. If your campaign is not combat focussed, then you were probably better off playing something else anyway.

			Unfortunately that suggests that the best use of the Spirit Shaman class is for transitioning into something else, but unless a new class has it's own spellcasting progression your character is unlikely to have the sheer daily spellcasting versatility of a '''proper''' [[Shaman]], or a [[Druid]] or [[Cleric]].

			Even as for a dip level for those that just want some minor spellcasting powers without interrupting their primary class progression much, a single level or two of Spirit Shaman does not you any amount of low level freedom that a different class could not already give you either. It really depends upon your attitude to the Spirit world in your campaign then. But if you're in it for the class features, then you're better served remaining in this class to it's completion, since the class features are it's strong suit.


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	~~A character class in 3rd Edition [[D&D]].~~		some kind of gary stu shammie

	The '''Spirit Shaman''' is a variant form of the '''[[Shaman]]''' class that has been made more "mainstream" since it's predecessor was first printed in '''Oriental Adventures''' and consisted mostly of a combination of elements of the [[Cleric]] and [[Druid]] classes.

	~~The writers decided to go for a different avenue with the '''Spirit''' Shaman instead and make it completely unrecognisable from the previous version.~~

	This one has much more of an rugged, outdoors-y feel to it. It has better fortitude saves, more spells per level and LOADS more supernatural abilities, though all designed to deal with '''"Spirits"''' ''(defined as Incorporeal Undead, Fey, Elementals and anything Astrally projecting)'' but impressively, they gain a spell like ability that can be used to ''Raise Dead'' with no penalty to the target. Eventually Spirit Shamans end up transcending the mortal world and become Fey.

	In fact at first level, they assign themselves a Spirit Guide which later gives them the ability to do various things, such as ''Detect Spirits'' for them ''([[Derp\|unlike]] the regular [[Shaman]]'s ability to just "see" spirits)'', allow them to resist enchantments and eventually can do the concentration on spells for them if they are too lazy to do it themselves.

	~~==Playing a Spirit Shaman==~~
	Is the class worth it? It depends, while it does have more spells per day the class actually casts spontaneously like a [[Sorcerer]] does and in fact only knows a tiny amount of spells from the Druid list ''(only 3 per spell level in fact)''. Though the Shaman is allowed to change the selection each day by communing with their Spirit Guide, that still leaves the character very slim on utility.

	This is essentially what kills the class, as by comparison a [[Favored Soul]] cast the same number of spontaneous spells-per-day as this class, but knows up to '''six''' of each level instead of just '''three'''. If you could just cast the ''Whole List'' spontaneously that would have been awesome but the limitation means that regardless of being able to change the three each day, you will find that they inevitably end up spamming spells the same way that a [[Warmage]] does, but since Divine casters don't have as many damage dealing spells, the need for multiple uses of status effecting or social spells becomes unnecessary unless your player can think outside of the box in his approach to tactics. If your campaign is not combat focussed, then you were probably better off playing something else anyway.

	Unfortunately that suggests that the best use of the Spirit Shaman class is for transitioning into something else, but unless a new class has it's own spellcasting progression your character is unlikely to have the sheer daily spellcasting versatility of a '''proper''' [[Shaman]], or a [[Druid]] or [[Cleric]].

	~~Even as for a dip level for those that just want~~ some ~~minor spellcasting powers without interrupting their primary class progression much, a single level or two of Spirit Shaman does not you any amount~~ of low level freedom that a different class could not already give you either. It really depends upon your attitude to the Spirit world in your campaign then. But if you're in it for the class features, then you're better served remaining in this class to it's completion, since the class features are it's strong suit.


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1d4chan>Dark Angel 2020: /* Playing a Spirit Shaman */

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Playing a Spirit Shaman

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	Is the class worth it? It depends, while it does have more spells per day the class actually casts spontaneously like a [[Sorcerer]] does and in fact only knows a tiny amount of spells from the Druid list ''(only 3 per spell level in fact)''. Though the Shaman is allowed to change the selection each day by communing with their Spirit Guide, that still leaves the character very slim on utility.		Is the class worth it? It depends, while it does have more spells per day the class actually casts spontaneously like a [[Sorcerer]] does and in fact only knows a tiny amount of spells from the Druid list ''(only 3 per spell level in fact)''. Though the Shaman is allowed to change the selection each day by communing with their Spirit Guide, that still leaves the character very slim on utility.

	If you could just cast the ''Whole List'' spontaneously that would have been awesome but the limitation means that they ~~will~~ inevitably end up spamming spells the same way that a [[Warmage]] does, but since Divine casters don't have as many damage dealing spells, the need for multiple uses of status effecting or social spells becomes unnecessary unless your player can think outside of the box in his approach to tactics. If your campaign is not combat focussed, then you were probably better off playing something else anyway.		This is essentially what kills the class, as by comparison a [[Favored Soul]] cast the same number of spontaneous spells-per-day as this class, but knows up to '''six''' of each level instead of just '''three'''. If you could just cast the ''Whole List'' spontaneously that would have been awesome but the limitation means that regardless of being able to change the three each day, you will find that they inevitably end up spamming spells the same way that a [[Warmage]] does, but since Divine casters don't have as many damage dealing spells, the need for multiple uses of status effecting or social spells becomes unnecessary unless your player can think outside of the box in his approach to tactics. If your campaign is not combat focussed, then you were probably better off playing something else anyway.

	Unfortunately that suggests that the best use of the Spirit Shaman class is for transitioning into something else, but unless a new class has it's own spellcasting progression your character is unlikely to have the sheer daily spellcasting versatility of a '''proper''' [[Shaman]], or a [[Druid]] or [[Cleric]].		Unfortunately that suggests that the best use of the Spirit Shaman class is for transitioning into something else, but unless a new class has it's own spellcasting progression your character is unlikely to have the sheer daily spellcasting versatility of a '''proper''' [[Shaman]], or a [[Druid]] or [[Cleric]].

	Even as for a dip level for those that just want some minor spellcasting powers without interrupting their primary class progression much, a single level or two of Spirit Shaman does not you any amount of low level freedom that a different class could not already give you either. It really depends upon your attitude to the Spirit world in your campaign then.		Even as for a dip level for those that just want some minor spellcasting powers without interrupting their primary class progression much, a single level or two of Spirit Shaman does not you any amount of low level freedom that a different class could not already give you either. It really depends upon your attitude to the Spirit world in your campaign then. But if you're in it for the class features, then you're better served remaining in this class to it's completion, since the class features are it's strong suit.


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1d4chan>Dark Angel 2020 at 08:42, 30 June 2014

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	In fact at first level, they assign themselves a Spirit Guide which later gives them the ability to do various things, such as ''Detect Spirits'' for them ''([[Derp\|unlike]] the regular [[Shaman]]'s ability to just "see" spirits)'', allow them to resist enchantments and eventually can do the concentration on spells for them if they are too lazy to do it themselves.		In fact at first level, they assign themselves a Spirit Guide which later gives them the ability to do various things, such as ''Detect Spirits'' for them ''([[Derp\|unlike]] the regular [[Shaman]]'s ability to just "see" spirits)'', allow them to resist enchantments and eventually can do the concentration on spells for them if they are too lazy to do it themselves.

	Is the class worth it? It depends, while it does have more spells per day the class actually casts spontaneously like a [[Sorcerer]] does and in fact only knows a tiny amount of spells from the Druid list ''(only 3 per spell level in fact)''. Though the Shaman is allowed to change the selection each day by communing with their Spirit Guide, that still leaves the character very slim on utility.		==Playing a Spirit Shaman==
			Is the class worth it? It depends, while it does have more spells per day the class actually casts spontaneously like a [[Sorcerer]] does and in fact only knows a tiny amount of spells from the Druid list ''(only 3 per spell level in fact)''. Though the Shaman is allowed to change the selection each day by communing with their Spirit Guide, that still leaves the character very slim on utility.

			If you could just cast the ''Whole List'' spontaneously that would have been awesome but the limitation means that they will inevitably end up spamming spells the same way that a [[Warmage]] does, but since Divine casters don't have as many damage dealing spells, the need for multiple uses of status effecting or social spells becomes unnecessary unless your player can think outside of the box in his approach to tactics. If your campaign is not combat focussed, then you were probably better off playing something else anyway.

			Unfortunately that suggests that the best use of the Spirit Shaman class is for transitioning into something else, but unless a new class has it's own spellcasting progression your character is unlikely to have the sheer daily spellcasting versatility of a '''proper''' [[Shaman]], or a [[Druid]] or [[Cleric]].

			Even as for a dip level for those that just want some minor spellcasting powers without interrupting their primary class progression much, a single level or two of Spirit Shaman does not you any amount of low level freedom that a different class could not already give you either. It really depends upon your attitude to the Spirit world in your campaign then.


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