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1d4chan>Ferbthe2gadgetguy at 07:18, 9 October 2020

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	Amusingly enough Abaddon is in fact the [[Chaos]] Spiritual Liege, as many renegade [[Chaos Space Marines]] do renounce their Primarchs and venerate him when they join. Actually absolutely appropriate if Abaddon is in fact somehow a clone of [[Horus]] (even if weak weak weak in comparison).		Amusingly enough Abaddon is in fact the [[Chaos]] Spiritual Liege, as many renegade [[Chaos Space Marines]] do renounce their Primarchs and venerate him when they join. Actually absolutely appropriate if Abaddon is in fact somehow a clone of [[Horus]] (even if weak weak weak in comparison).

	Why this isn't as dumb as you think==		==Why this isn't as dumb as you think==
	Other than the fact that technically Ultramarines were always viewed ''by non-Space Marines'' as the prime example of what it means to be a Space Marine and if it wasn't for Guilliman, the Chapter would not exist...		Other than the fact that technically Ultramarines were always viewed ''by non-Space Marines'' as the prime example of what it means to be a Space Marine and if it wasn't for Guilliman, the Chapter would not exist...

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	Amusingly enough Abaddon is in fact the [[Chaos]] Spiritual Liege, as many renegade [[Chaos Space Marines]] do renounce their Primarchs and venerate him when they join. Actually absolutely appropriate if Abaddon is in fact somehow a clone of [[Horus]] (even if weak weak weak in comparison).		Amusingly enough Abaddon is in fact the [[Chaos]] Spiritual Liege, as many renegade [[Chaos Space Marines]] do renounce their Primarchs and venerate him when they join. Actually absolutely appropriate if Abaddon is in fact somehow a clone of [[Horus]] (even if weak weak weak in comparison).

	~~==<s>~~Why~~</s>~~ this isn't as dumb as you think==		Why this isn't as dumb as you think==
	Other than the fact that technically Ultramarines were always viewed ''by non-Space Marines'' as the prime example of what it means to be a Space Marine and if it wasn't for Guilliman, the Chapter would not exist...		Other than the fact that technically Ultramarines were always viewed ''by non-Space Marines'' as the prime example of what it means to be a Space Marine and if it wasn't for Guilliman, the Chapter would not exist...

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	Amusingly enough Abaddon is in fact the [[Chaos]] Spiritual Liege, as many renegade [[Chaos Space Marines]] do renounce their Primarchs and venerate him when they join. Actually absolutely appropriate if Abaddon is in fact somehow a clone of [[Horus]] (even if weak weak weak in comparison).		Amusingly enough Abaddon is in fact the [[Chaos]] Spiritual Liege, as many renegade [[Chaos Space Marines]] do renounce their Primarchs and venerate him when they join. Actually absolutely appropriate if Abaddon is in fact somehow a clone of [[Horus]] (even if weak weak weak in comparison).

	==<s>Why</s> this ~~<s>~~isn't ~~QUITE</s> is~~ as dumb as you think==		==<s>Why</s> this isn't as dumb as you think==
	Other than the fact that technically Ultramarines were always viewed ''by non-Space Marines'' as the prime example of what it means to be a Space Marine and if it wasn't for Guilliman, the Chapter would not exist...		Other than the fact that technically Ultramarines were always viewed ''by non-Space Marines'' as the prime example of what it means to be a Space Marine and if it wasn't for Guilliman, the Chapter would not exist...

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	Since then, "spiritual liege" has been used as an insulting way to refer to Roboute Guilliman, Marneus Calgar, and Matt Ward. It is also used ironically, to make the point that one's spiritual liege is '''not''' one of those three. In ages past, the term was used instead of the phrase "Matt Ward" on /tg/ (since if you should ever type "Matt Ward" or "Matthew Ward" in the text box, it'll count your entire post as spam).		Since then, "spiritual liege" has been used as an insulting way to refer to Roboute Guilliman, Marneus Calgar, and Matt Ward. It is also used ironically, to make the point that one's spiritual liege is '''not''' one of those three. In ages past, the term was used instead of the phrase "Matt Ward" on /tg/ (since if you should ever type "Matt Ward" or "Matthew Ward" in the text box, it'll count your entire post as spam).

			The kindest way to view this would maybe be by seeing it as “Ultramarines are supersoldiers instead of superwarriors and therefore are the best form of the Emperor’s vision for the Astartes.” Or perhaps that the Ultramarines methods and structure means they best fit what their particular legion was created for more than other Primarchs’ sons live up to their legions’ purposes. For example, the Raven Guard were blatantly intended to be an oppressive force of domination and occupation for worlds that had to be particularly brutally forced into Compliance. Which, of course, the Corax Raven Guard threw out the window and became the opposite of. So, in this way the Ultramarines can be viewed as being the Space Romans they were made to be by the Emperor whereas the other legions deviated from his design to varying degrees. That said, this is just a kind interpretation of Ward’s statement but probably not right at all and he’s just a rabid fanboy.

	In the [[Horus Heresy]] novels it's heavily implied that the remnants of the [[First Founding#Two Unknown Legions\|two lost Legions]] were absorbed into the Ultramarines, after being loyalty-checked into nigh oblivion by the [[Space Wolves\|Emperor's Executioners]]. Therefore a large number of so-called Successor Chapters aren't really Ultramarines but venerate Guilliman over their original [[Primarch]]. On the other hand, when your alternative is facing down the [[Space Wolves]], you'd pledge anyone, even [[Abaddon]], as your liege.		In the [[Horus Heresy]] novels it's heavily implied that the remnants of the [[First Founding#Two Unknown Legions\|two lost Legions]] were absorbed into the Ultramarines, after being loyalty-checked into nigh oblivion by the [[Space Wolves\|Emperor's Executioners]]. Therefore a large number of so-called Successor Chapters aren't really Ultramarines but venerate Guilliman over their original [[Primarch]]. On the other hand, when your alternative is facing down the [[Space Wolves]], you'd pledge anyone, even [[Abaddon]], as your liege.

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	Amusingly enough Abaddon is in fact the [[Chaos]] Spiritual Liege, as many renegade [[Chaos Space Marines]] do renounce their Primarchs and venerate him when they join. Actually absolutely appropriate if Abaddon is in fact somehow a clone of [[Horus]] (even if weak weak weak in comparison).		Amusingly enough Abaddon is in fact the [[Chaos]] Spiritual Liege, as many renegade [[Chaos Space Marines]] do renounce their Primarchs and venerate him when they join. Actually absolutely appropriate if Abaddon is in fact somehow a clone of [[Horus]] (even if weak weak weak in comparison).

	==<s>Why</s> this is<s>n't QUITE</s> is as dumb as you think==		==<s>Why</s> this <s>isn't QUITE</s> is as dumb as you think==
	Other than the fact that technically Ultramarines were always viewed ''by non-Space Marines'' as the prime example of what it means to be a Space Marine and if it wasn't for Guilliman, the Chapter would not exist...		Other than the fact that technically Ultramarines were always viewed ''by non-Space Marines'' as the prime example of what it means to be a Space Marine and if it wasn't for Guilliman, the Chapter would not exist...

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	Amusingly enough Abaddon is in fact the [[Chaos]] Spiritual Liege, as many renegade [[Chaos Space Marines]] do renounce their Primarchs and venerate him when they join. Actually absolutely appropriate if Abaddon is in fact somehow a clone of [[Horus]] (even if weak weak weak in comparison).		Amusingly enough Abaddon is in fact the [[Chaos]] Spiritual Liege, as many renegade [[Chaos Space Marines]] do renounce their Primarchs and venerate him when they join. Actually absolutely appropriate if Abaddon is in fact somehow a clone of [[Horus]] (even if weak weak weak in comparison).

	==<s>Why</s> this is<s>n't QUITE</s> as dumb as you think==		==<s>Why</s> this is<s>n't QUITE</s> is as dumb as you think==
	Other than the fact that technically Ultramarines were always viewed ''by non-Space Marines'' as the prime example of what it means to be a Space Marine and if it wasn't for Guilliman, the Chapter would not exist...		Other than the fact that technically Ultramarines were always viewed ''by non-Space Marines'' as the prime example of what it means to be a Space Marine and if it wasn't for Guilliman, the Chapter would not exist...

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	This phrase has come to be widely used among fans of [[Warhammer 40,000]] after [[Matt Ward]] gave [[Ultramarines#Quotes\|an interview]] explaining why ''[[Codex]]: [[Space Marines]]'' had so many [[Ultramarines]] characters in them: "[t]he Ultramarines are undoubtedly the best [[Space Marines]] ever. Yes, really! Thanks to the [[Codex Astartes \| heritage]] of [[Roboute Guilliman\|Guilliman]] and their myriad heroic deeds, the Ultramarines are the exemplars of the Space Marines. With a [[Space Wolves\|few]] [[Black Templars\|fringe]] [[Grey Knights\|exceptions]]... all [[Space Marine Chapter]]s want to be like the Ultramarines and recognize [[Marneus Calgar]] as their '''Spiritual Liege.'''" (The real reason was it was going to be ''Codex: Ultramarines'' until at the last second [[Games Workshop\|GW]] changed their minds.)		This phrase has come to be widely used among fans of [[Warhammer 40,000]] after [[Matt Ward]] gave [[Ultramarines#Quotes\|an interview]] explaining why ''[[Codex]]: [[Space Marines]]'' had so many [[Ultramarines]] characters in them: "[t]he Ultramarines are undoubtedly the best [[Space Marines]] ever. Yes, really! Thanks to the [[Codex Astartes \| heritage]] of [[Roboute Guilliman\|Guilliman]] and their myriad heroic deeds, the Ultramarines are the exemplars of the Space Marines. With a [[Space Wolves\|few]] [[Black Templars\|fringe]] [[Grey Knights\|exceptions]]... all [[Space Marine Chapter]]s want to be like the Ultramarines and recognize [[Marneus Calgar]] as their '''Spiritual Liege.'''" (The real reason was it was going to be ''Codex: Ultramarines'' until at the last second [[Games Workshop\|GW]] changed their minds.)

	Apparently the heresy of acknowledging someone other than ~~the~~ [[God-Emperor of Mankind\|~~Big~~ E]] as their liege, be it physically or spiritually, is lost on the Wardian Space Marines.		Apparently the heresy of acknowledging someone other than [[God-Emperor of Mankind\|E-Money]] as their liege, be it physically or spiritually, is lost on the Wardian Space Marines.

	Because it makes ''total sense'' why [[FAIL\|they'd venerate the Ultramarines and not ''their own Chapter Masters and Primarchs'']].		Because it makes ''total sense'' why [[FAIL\|they'd venerate the Ultramarines and not ''their own Chapter Masters and Primarchs'']].
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	Amusingly enough Abaddon is in fact the [[Chaos]] Spiritual Liege, as many renegade [[Chaos Space Marines]] do renounce their Primarchs and venerate him when they join. Actually absolutely appropriate if Abaddon is in fact somehow a clone of [[Horus]] (even if weak weak weak in comparison).		Amusingly enough Abaddon is in fact the [[Chaos]] Spiritual Liege, as many renegade [[Chaos Space Marines]] do renounce their Primarchs and venerate him when they join. Actually absolutely appropriate if Abaddon is in fact somehow a clone of [[Horus]] (even if weak weak weak in comparison).

	==Why this ~~isn~~'t QUITE as dumb as you think==		==<s>Why</s> this is<s>n't QUITE</s> as dumb as you think==
	Other than the fact that technically Ultramarines were always viewed ''by non-Space Marines'' as the prime example of what it means to be a Space Marine and if it wasn't for Guilliman, the Chapter would not exist...		Other than the fact that technically Ultramarines were always viewed ''by non-Space Marines'' as the prime example of what it means to be a Space Marine and if it wasn't for Guilliman, the Chapter would not exist...