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	* [[Symbaroum]]		* [[Symbaroum]]
	* Certain iterations of [[Bretonnia]] in [[Warhammer Fantasy]] (The rest of the world is a little too culturally advanced to fit the "Medieval" part of the name)		* Certain iterations of [[Bretonnia]] in [[Warhammer Fantasy]] (The rest of the world is a little too culturally advanced to fit the "Medieval" part of the name)
	* [[A Song of Ice ~~And~~ Fire]]		* [[A Song of Ice and Fire]]
	* [[Dungeons and Dragons]] can be played as MEF, but it was and is more a melting pot of influences and a toolkit than anything with an actual coherent aesthetic<ref>Seriously, the 1st Edition Dungeon Master's Guide had rules for pistols, shotguns and lasers from [[Boot Hill]] and [[Gamma World]], and let's not get started on how Asian the [[Monk]] is.</ref>, and most generic fantasy follows in D&D's footsteps.		* [[Dungeons and Dragons]] can be played as MEF, but it was and is more a melting pot of influences and a toolkit than anything with an actual coherent aesthetic<ref>Seriously, the 1st Edition Dungeon Master's Guide had rules for pistols, shotguns and lasers from [[Boot Hill]] and [[Gamma World]], and let's not get started on how Asian the [[Monk]] is.</ref>, and most generic fantasy follows in D&D's footsteps.

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	* Certain iterations of [[Bretonnia]] in [[Warhammer Fantasy]] (The rest of the world is a little too culturally advanced to fit the "Medieval" part of the name)		* Certain iterations of [[Bretonnia]] in [[Warhammer Fantasy]] (The rest of the world is a little too culturally advanced to fit the "Medieval" part of the name)
	* [[A Song of Ice And Fire]]		* [[A Song of Ice And Fire]]
	* [[Dungeons and Dragons]] can be played as MEF, but it was and is more a melting pot of influences and a toolkit than anything with an actual coherent aesthetic<ref>Seriously, the 1st Edition Dungeon Master's Guide had rules for pistols, shotguns and lasers from [[Boot Hill]] and [[Gamma World]] ~~(no it didn't)~~, and let's not get started on how Asian the [[Monk]] is.</ref>, and most generic fantasy follows in D&D's footsteps.		* [[Dungeons and Dragons]] can be played as MEF, but it was and is more a melting pot of influences and a toolkit than anything with an actual coherent aesthetic<ref>Seriously, the 1st Edition Dungeon Master's Guide had rules for pistols, shotguns and lasers from [[Boot Hill]] and [[Gamma World]], and let's not get started on how Asian the [[Monk]] is.</ref>, and most generic fantasy follows in D&D's footsteps.

	==Standard Japanese Fantasy Setting==		==Standard Japanese Fantasy Setting==

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Medieval European Fantasy

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	* Certain iterations of [[Bretonnia]] in [[Warhammer Fantasy]] (The rest of the world is a little too culturally advanced to fit the "Medieval" part of the name)		* Certain iterations of [[Bretonnia]] in [[Warhammer Fantasy]] (The rest of the world is a little too culturally advanced to fit the "Medieval" part of the name)
	* [[A Song of Ice And Fire]]		* [[A Song of Ice And Fire]]
	* [[Dungeons and Dragons]] can be played as MEF, but it was and is more a melting pot of influences and a toolkit than anything with an actual coherent aesthetic<ref>Seriously, the 1st Edition Dungeon Master's Guide had rules for pistols, shotguns and lasers from [[Boot Hill]] and [[Gamma World]], and let's not get started on how Asian the [[Monk]] is.</ref>, and most generic fantasy follows in D&D's footsteps.		* [[Dungeons and Dragons]] can be played as MEF, but it was and is more a melting pot of influences and a toolkit than anything with an actual coherent aesthetic<ref>Seriously, the 1st Edition Dungeon Master's Guide had rules for pistols, shotguns and lasers from [[Boot Hill]] and [[Gamma World]] (no it didn't), and let's not get started on how Asian the [[Monk]] is.</ref>, and most generic fantasy follows in D&D's footsteps.

	==Standard Japanese Fantasy Setting==		==Standard Japanese Fantasy Setting==

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Standard Japanese Fantasy Setting

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	==Standard Japanese Fantasy Setting==		==Standard Japanese Fantasy Setting==
	Whilst the Japanese love the Standard Fantasy Setting enough that you'll see it in plenty of fantasy anime, manga and video games, they've also put their own spin on it often enough that it's become a recognized aesthetic in its own right, which in turn has become a major thing in fantasy anime, manga and video games. In fact, there's very few official tabletop games set in this kind of setting, outside of Japan's own [[Dungeons & Dragons]] knock-off, [[Sword World RPG]].		Whilst the Japanese love the Standard Fantasy Setting enough that you'll see it in plenty of fantasy anime, manga and video games, they've also put their own spin on it often enough that it's become a recognized aesthetic in its own right, which in turn has become a major thing in fantasy anime, manga and video games. In fact, there's very few official tabletop games set in this kind of setting, outside of Japan's own [[Dungeons & Dragons]] knock-off, [[Sword World RPG]]. That probably owes to the Standard Japanese Fantasy Setting being heavily inspired by second-hand sources, such as Record of Lodoss War (based on a DnD campaign, where the anime is far more popular in Japan than DnD itself) or more significantly, the ridiculously popular (in Japan only) Dragon Quest, which being a video game, means that many game-ified mechanics get incorporated into the setting.

	Defining attributes of the Standard Japanese Fantasy Setting?		Defining attributes of the Standard Japanese Fantasy Setting?

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Standard Japanese Fantasy Setting

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	* Light isn't good; Shin and Sei races (especially Sei) can be just as dangerous or corruptible as the Ma races.		* Light isn't good; Shin and Sei races (especially Sei) can be just as dangerous or corruptible as the Ma races.
	* If there's an organized religion, it usually kinda looks like the Catholic Church. Nuns, crosses, gothic architecture, the Inquisition, bishops. Especially nuns. As well as priestesses who are basically just nuns. No Jesus, though, in spite of all the crosses everywhere. In fact, virtually no Christian concepts in general beyond simple symbols and imagery. These fantasy Churches usually either worship 'the Light' or some basic deity or pantheon.		* If there's an organized religion, it usually kinda looks like the Catholic Church. Nuns, crosses, gothic architecture, the Inquisition, bishops. Especially nuns. As well as priestesses who are basically just nuns. No Jesus, though, in spite of all the crosses everywhere. In fact, virtually no Christian concepts in general beyond simple symbols and imagery. These fantasy Churches usually either worship 'the Light' or some basic deity or pantheon.
	* The Church is usually either morally grey, corrupt on some level, or just outright evil. It's become such a clichée that you'll be hard pressed to find a SJF story with a Church that '''isn't''' questionable on some level. You can chalk that one up to young 'uns in Japan generally not being fans of religious ~~organisations~~ that actually tell people what to do, and Christianity is a safe target because it ~~has basically no power~~ in Japan (unlike Buddhist revivalist groups like Soka Gakkai) and because it's still seen as something foreign (as xenophobia is still very much a thing in Japan).		* The Church is usually either morally grey, corrupt on some level, or just outright evil. It's become such a clichée that you'll be hard pressed to find a SJF story with a Church that '''isn't''' questionable on some level. You can chalk that one up to young 'uns in Japan generally not being fans of religious organizations that actually tell people what to do, and Christianity is a safe target because few people follow it in Japan, even fewer have societal influence outside their churches (unlike Buddhist revivalist groups like Soka Gakkai) and because it's still seen as something foreign (as xenophobia is still very much a thing in Japan).
	* Buddhism and Shinto are rarely directly referenced, unless the setting is explicitly based on premodern Japan. But Buddhist and Shinto concepts are frequently referenced. Buddhism and Shinto are still the historically dominant religions in Japan, so Japanese fantasy authors will often still default to Buddhist and Shinto ideas of the supernatural.		* Buddhism and Shinto are rarely directly referenced, unless the setting is explicitly based on premodern Japan. But Buddhist and Shinto concepts are frequently referenced. Buddhism and Shinto are still the historically dominant religions in Japan, so Japanese fantasy authors will often still default to Buddhist and Shinto ideas of the supernatural.
	* [[Magitek]] is often common, and may even see fantasy Mecha.		* [[Magitek]] is often common, and may even see fantasy Mecha.

1d4chan>Deinogalerix at 09:49, 2 December 2022

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	* Darkness isn't evil; the Ma races aren't necessarily universally evil.		* Darkness isn't evil; the Ma races aren't necessarily universally evil.
	* Light isn't good; Shin and Sei races (especially Sei) can be just as dangerous or corruptible as the Ma races.		* Light isn't good; Shin and Sei races (especially Sei) can be just as dangerous or corruptible as the Ma races.
	* Catholic ~~trappings~~ are ~~popular for religious aspects~~, ~~but~~ the ~~more overtly "~~Christian~~" a church~~ is, ~~the more likely it tends to be~~ corrupt or outright evil (a ~~combo~~ of ~~the "Lawfulness can devolve into Tyranny" cliche~~ and Japan's ~~lingering cultural opposition towards Christianity~~). ~~References to other real-life religions beside~~ Buddhism are, ~~for better or worse~~, ~~almost non-existent~~.		* If there's an organized religion, it usually kinda looks like the Catholic Church. Nuns, crosses, gothic architecture, the Inquisition, bishops. Especially nuns. As well as priestesses who are basically just nuns. No Jesus, though, in spite of all the crosses everywhere. In fact, virtually no Christian concepts in general beyond simple symbols and imagery. These fantasy Churches usually either worship 'the Light' or some basic deity or pantheon.
			* The Church is usually either morally grey, corrupt on some level, or just outright evil. It's become such a clichée that you'll be hard pressed to find a SJF story with a Church that '''isn't''' questionable on some level. You can chalk that one up to young 'uns in Japan generally not being fans of religious organisations that actually tell people what to do, and Christianity is a safe target because it has basically no power in Japan (unlike Buddhist revivalist groups like Soka Gakkai) and because it's still seen as something foreign (as xenophobia is still very much a thing in Japan).
			* Buddhism and Shinto are rarely directly referenced, unless the setting is explicitly based on premodern Japan. But Buddhist and Shinto concepts are frequently referenced. Buddhism and Shinto are still the historically dominant religions in Japan, so Japanese fantasy authors will often still default to Buddhist and Shinto ideas of the supernatural.
	* [[Magitek]] is often common, and may even see fantasy Mecha.		* [[Magitek]] is often common, and may even see fantasy Mecha.
	* Ki manipulation is often a major part of the magical system, if not the default explanation for it.		* Ki manipulation is often a major part of the magical system, if not the default explanation for it.
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	* Mana often takes solid form by crystallizing.		* Mana often takes solid form by crystallizing.

	SJFS "light novels" have their own particular set of tropes more common to them than other media:		SJFS "light novels" (think: novellas with manga-style illustrations) have their own particular set of tropes more common to them than other media:
	* Adventuring guilds are a thing.		* Adventuring guilds are a thing.
	* Dungeon crawling is often emphasized to the point that dungeons are a kind of magical-yet-natural phenomena, and/or plunging into dungeons may serve as the foundation of entire economies.		* Dungeon crawling is often emphasized to the point that dungeons are a kind of magical-yet-natural phenomena, and/or plunging into dungeons may serve as the foundation of entire economies.
	* Slavery is often present, and usually magically enforced by enchanted collars or tattoos.		* Slavery is often present, and usually magically enforced by enchanted collars or tattoos.

			Light novel SJFS tropes are beginning to influence Japanese fantasy in general, as popular light novel stories are getting anime adaptations and are thus becoming more mainstream.

			There's also a weird cross-polliniation with videogames in the more recent Japanese fantasy stories, especially in manga and light novels:
			* Characters have tiers ranked from F to A, often also with an S-class.
			* Characters have levels and stats in-story. As in, actual numbered levels and ranks. Even experience points are occasionally a thing.
			* Characters can have defined skills or abilities that can be acquired exactly like in a videogame. As in, "Ding! You have acquired the skill Night Vision!"
			* Some stories even feature stat screens(!) that can magically pop up and be viewed.

	==Tropes Pages==		==Tropes Pages==

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Medieval European Fantasy

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	There are two and a half common ways of describing the MEF to SFS relationship:		There are two and a half common ways of describing the MEF to SFS relationship:

	# One possible way to differentiate is to ask "is this closer to J.R.R. ~~Tolkein~~ or George R.R. Martin?" That is, MEF is usually more closely associated with "low powered", "more or less historically accurate", or "grimdark" fantasy, rather than Standard Fantasy Setting's "high powered", "closer to Mythology than anything realistic", or "Noblebright" fantasy.		# One possible way to differentiate is to ask "is this closer to J.R.R. Tolkien or George R.R. Martin?" That is, MEF is usually more closely associated with "low powered", "more or less historically accurate", or "grimdark" fantasy, rather than Standard Fantasy Setting's "high powered", "closer to Mythology than anything realistic", or "Noblebright" fantasy.
	# Another is to ask "are there cultures besides Medieval European, are they examined in any detail, and is a large amount of the story set in this non-ME culture?" If the answer to both is "Yes", you may have exited the MEF zone, and entered more of the SFS area. (Or put another way: The Daenerys parts of [[A Song of Ice and Fire]] are not MEF, if counted separately; ASoIaF as a whole counts as MEF, since that's such a small part of the story.)		# Another is to ask "are there cultures besides Medieval European, are they examined in any detail, and is a large amount of the story set in this non-ME culture?" If the answer to both is "Yes", you may have exited the MEF zone, and entered more of the SFS area. (Or put another way: The Daenerys parts of [[A Song of Ice and Fire]] are not MEF, if counted separately; ASoIaF as a whole counts as MEF, since that's such a small part of the story.)
	# The "half" way is to just contrast MEF to the Japanese Standard Fantasy Setting.		# The "half" way is to just contrast MEF to the Japanese Standard Fantasy Setting.

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Standard Japanese Fantasy Setting

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	* Darkness isn't evil; the Ma races aren't necessarily universally evil.		* Darkness isn't evil; the Ma races aren't necessarily universally evil.
	* Light isn't good; Shin and Sei races (especially Sei) can be just as dangerous or corruptible as the Ma races.		* Light isn't good; Shin and Sei races (especially Sei) can be just as dangerous or corruptible as the Ma races.
	* Catholic trappings are popular for religious aspects, but the more overtly "Christian" a church is, the more likely it tends to be corrupt or outright evil (a combo of the "Lawfulness can devolve into Tyranny" cliche and Japan's lingering cultural opposition towards Christianity). References to other real-life religions, for better or worse ~~are~~ almost non-existent.		* Catholic trappings are popular for religious aspects, but the more overtly "Christian" a church is, the more likely it tends to be corrupt or outright evil (a combo of the "Lawfulness can devolve into Tyranny" cliche and Japan's lingering cultural opposition towards Christianity). References to other real-life religions beside Buddhism are, for better or worse, almost non-existent.
	* [[Magitek]] is often common, and may even see fantasy Mecha.		* [[Magitek]] is often common, and may even see fantasy Mecha.
	* Ki manipulation is often a major part of the magical system, if not the default explanation for it.		* Ki manipulation is often a major part of the magical system, if not the default explanation for it.