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Examples of "Good" done Stupidly

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	*[[Konrad Curze]] - VERY VERY much so, despite the fact he [[Noblebright\|brought crime and corruption on his world to near-zero, improving efficiency and bringing hope]] to his world, he was NOT a good person, no matter what he was attempting to argue.		*[[Konrad Curze]] - VERY VERY much so, despite the fact he [[Noblebright\|brought crime and corruption on his world to near-zero, improving efficiency and bringing hope]] to his world, he was NOT a good person, no matter what he was attempting to argue.
	*The '''Organians''' again; Though only in [[/v/\|video games]] where they have given up the non-violent approach and decide to force everyone into peace by [[derp\|declaring war on them]].		*The '''Organians''' again; Though only in [[/v/\|video games]] where they have given up the non-violent approach and decide to force everyone into peace by [[derp\|declaring war on them]].
	* Stannis Baratheon, from the show adaptation of [[A Song of Ice and Fire]]. He keeps on committing morally dubious and sometimes even downright villainous acts, such as sacrificing his own daughter to a fire god, in order to save Westeros from a bunch of evil elves, their zombie minions, and their Darth Maul lookalike leader; all at the behest of a crazed priestess who can't see that Stannis is NOT the chosen hero of yore, which she has fooled both herself and him into believing. In other words, he's a more well intentioned Macbeth who ended up with the same fate.		* Stannis Baratheon, from the show adaptation of [[A Song of Ice and Fire]]. He keeps on committing morally dubious and sometimes even downright villainous acts, such as sacrificing his own daughter to a fire god, in order to save Westeros from a bunch of evil elves, their zombie minions, and their Darth Maul lookalike leader; all at the behest of a crazed priestess who can't see that Stannis is NOT the chosen hero of yore, which she has fooled both herself and him into believing. In other words, he's a more well intentioned Macbeth who ended up with the same fate. Jury is out on the book Stannis (assuming GRRM finishes the damn thing) but the odds are not good (pun intended).

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	*Ned Stark can both fit into Lawful Stupid and Stupid Good, as his penchant for mercy (he doesn't want Robert to murder Tommen and Myrcella in a fit of rage) ends up getting him executed and generally starting the major clusterfuck known as the War of the Five Kings.		*Ned Stark can both fit into Lawful Stupid and Stupid Good, as his penchant for mercy (he doesn't want Robert to murder Tommen and Myrcella in a fit of rage) ends up getting him executed and generally starting the major clusterfuck known as the War of the Five Kings.
	** The War would have likely happened anyway because Stannis and Renly were both gathering armies & planning their moves, plus Littlefinger was playing everybody to destroy the realm while Ned was already on Littlefinger's hitlist for being married to his crush. The real stupid things there were not only not getting his kids out faster (he tried but that can also be blamed on Sansa wanting to stay and ratting him out to Cersei), but not getting more trustworthy allies and confronting Cersei privately about her crimes and expecting her to turn herself in. Another note is that Ned’s execution was both unexpected by most and virtually everyone thought it was a bad move. Tywin personally claimed it made no sense and was forced to fight Ned’s angry family as a result. Numerous others acknowledged that they just executed a highly valuable political hostage and pissed off powerful family members and vassals of Ned. Ned himself didn’t expect to be executed because he did his part and knew how valuable he was. Had things gone “normally” (fan theories include Joffrey being insane or Littlefinger whispering into his ear to cause this), Ned would have gotten out alive but still badly off.		** The War would have likely happened anyway because Stannis and Renly were both gathering armies & planning their moves, plus Littlefinger was playing everybody to destroy the realm while Ned was already on Littlefinger's hitlist for being married to his crush. The real stupid things there were not only not getting his kids out faster (he tried but that can also be blamed on Sansa wanting to stay and ratting him out to Cersei), but not getting more trustworthy allies and confronting Cersei privately about her crimes and expecting her to turn herself in. Another note is that Ned’s execution was both unexpected by most and virtually everyone thought it was a bad move. Tywin personally claimed it made no sense and was forced to fight Ned’s angry family as a result. Numerous others acknowledged that they just executed a highly valuable political hostage and pissed off powerful family members and vassals of Ned. Ned himself didn’t expect to be executed because he did his part and knew how valuable he was. Had things gone “normally” (fan theories include Joffrey being insane or Littlefinger whispering into his ear to cause this), Ned would have gotten out alive but still badly off.
	* Samurai Jack from the series of the same name. He went out to slay villain Aku. Jack was on the verge of killing Aku before Aku opened up a time portal and sent Jack into the future where Aku had conquered Earth and countless other planets. Jack subsequently went on a quest to return to his own time and kill Aku, while fighting the evils Aku brought to the world wherever he went. Jack is kind and selfless to a fault. He will risk his life over any innocent people he sees and refuses to sacrifice innocent lives under any circumstances, which has cost him multiple chances to return to the past as well as a chance to kill Aku in the present. Luckily Aku suffers from an equally bad case of [[Stupid Evil]] and can never just finish off Jack when he has the chance.		* [[Samurai Jack]] from the series of the same name. He went out to slay villain Aku. Jack was on the verge of killing Aku before Aku opened up a time portal and sent Jack into the future where Aku had conquered Earth and countless other planets. Jack subsequently went on a quest to return to his own time and kill Aku, while fighting the evils Aku brought to the world wherever he went. Jack is kind and selfless to a fault. He will risk his life over any innocent people he sees and refuses to sacrifice innocent lives under any circumstances, which has cost him multiple chances to return to the past as well as a chance to kill Aku in the present. Luckily Aku suffers from an equally bad case of [[Stupid Evil]] and can never just finish off Jack when he has the chance.

	==The darker side of goodness==		==The darker side of goodness==

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	*Ned Stark can both fit into Lawful Stupid and Stupid Good, as his penchant for mercy (he doesn't want Robert to murder Tommen and Myrcella in a fit of rage) ends up getting him executed and generally starting the major clusterfuck known as the War of the Five Kings.		*Ned Stark can both fit into Lawful Stupid and Stupid Good, as his penchant for mercy (he doesn't want Robert to murder Tommen and Myrcella in a fit of rage) ends up getting him executed and generally starting the major clusterfuck known as the War of the Five Kings.
	** The War would have likely happened anyway because Stannis and Renly were both gathering armies & planning their moves, plus Littlefinger was playing everybody to destroy the realm while Ned was already on Littlefinger's hitlist for being married to his crush. The real stupid things there were not only not getting his kids out faster (he tried but that can also be blamed on Sansa wanting to stay and ratting him out to Cersei), but not getting more trustworthy allies and confronting Cersei privately about her crimes and expecting her to turn herself in. Another note is that Ned’s execution was both unexpected by most and virtually everyone thought it was a bad move. Tywin personally claimed it made no sense and was forced to fight Ned’s angry family as a result. Numerous others acknowledged that they just executed a highly valuable political hostage and pissed off powerful family members and vassals of Ned. Ned himself didn’t expect to be executed because he did his part and knew how valuable he was. Had things gone “normally” (fan theories include Joffrey being insane or Littlefinger whispering into his ear to cause this), Ned would have gotten out alive but still badly off.		** The War would have likely happened anyway because Stannis and Renly were both gathering armies & planning their moves, plus Littlefinger was playing everybody to destroy the realm while Ned was already on Littlefinger's hitlist for being married to his crush. The real stupid things there were not only not getting his kids out faster (he tried but that can also be blamed on Sansa wanting to stay and ratting him out to Cersei), but not getting more trustworthy allies and confronting Cersei privately about her crimes and expecting her to turn herself in. Another note is that Ned’s execution was both unexpected by most and virtually everyone thought it was a bad move. Tywin personally claimed it made no sense and was forced to fight Ned’s angry family as a result. Numerous others acknowledged that they just executed a highly valuable political hostage and pissed off powerful family members and vassals of Ned. Ned himself didn’t expect to be executed because he did his part and knew how valuable he was. Had things gone “normally” (fan theories include Joffrey being insane or Littlefinger whispering into his ear to cause this), Ned would have gotten out alive but still badly off.
			* Samurai Jack from the series of the same name. He went out to slay villain Aku. Jack was on the verge of killing Aku before Aku opened up a time portal and sent Jack into the future where Aku had conquered Earth and countless other planets. Jack subsequently went on a quest to return to his own time and kill Aku, while fighting the evils Aku brought to the world wherever he went. Jack is kind and selfless to a fault. He will risk his life over any innocent people he sees and refuses to sacrifice innocent lives under any circumstances, which has cost him multiple chances to return to the past as well as a chance to kill Aku in the present. Luckily Aku suffers from an equally bad case of [[Stupid Evil]] and can never just finish off Jack when he has the chance.

	==The darker side of goodness==		==The darker side of goodness==

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	**It should be added that this stupidity goes much deeper, way beyond only Batman's part in it. Given that many versions of the Joker have known kills numbering in the three, four, or sometimes even five digits, why hasn't he "broken his neck falling down the stairs" or "jumped out a tenth story window" while in Police custody? How did he avoid capital punishment when even pleading insanity has its legal limits? Certain versions of The Joker remaining alive is inexplicable in realistic terms, full stop. That's comic book logic for you.		**It should be added that this stupidity goes much deeper, way beyond only Batman's part in it. Given that many versions of the Joker have known kills numbering in the three, four, or sometimes even five digits, why hasn't he "broken his neck falling down the stairs" or "jumped out a tenth story window" while in Police custody? How did he avoid capital punishment when even pleading insanity has its legal limits? Certain versions of The Joker remaining alive is inexplicable in realistic terms, full stop. That's comic book logic for you.
	*Ned Stark can both fit into Lawful Stupid and Stupid Good, as his penchant for mercy (he doesn't want Robert to murder Tommen and Myrcella in a fit of rage) ends up getting him executed and generally starting the major clusterfuck known as the War of the Five Kings.		*Ned Stark can both fit into Lawful Stupid and Stupid Good, as his penchant for mercy (he doesn't want Robert to murder Tommen and Myrcella in a fit of rage) ends up getting him executed and generally starting the major clusterfuck known as the War of the Five Kings.
	** The War would have likely happened anyway because Stannis and Renly were both gathering armies & planning their moves, plus Littlefinger was playing everybody to destroy the realm while Ned was already on Littlefinger's hitlist for being married to his crush. The real stupid things there were not only not getting his kids out faster (he tried but Sansa ~~wanted~~ to stay), but not getting more trustworthy allies and confronting Cersei privately about her crimes and expecting her to turn herself in. Another note is that Ned’s execution was both unexpected by most and virtually everyone thought it was a bad move. Tywin personally claimed it made no sense and was forced to fight Ned’s angry family as a result. Numerous others acknowledged that they just executed a highly valuable political hostage and pissed off powerful family members and vassals of Ned. Ned himself didn’t expect to be executed because he did his part and knew how valuable he was. Had things gone “normally” (fan theories include Joffrey being insane or Littlefinger whispering into his ear to cause this), Ned would have gotten out alive but still badly off.		** The War would have likely happened anyway because Stannis and Renly were both gathering armies & planning their moves, plus Littlefinger was playing everybody to destroy the realm while Ned was already on Littlefinger's hitlist for being married to his crush. The real stupid things there were not only not getting his kids out faster (he tried but that can also be blamed on Sansa wanting to stay and ratting him out to Cersei), but not getting more trustworthy allies and confronting Cersei privately about her crimes and expecting her to turn herself in. Another note is that Ned’s execution was both unexpected by most and virtually everyone thought it was a bad move. Tywin personally claimed it made no sense and was forced to fight Ned’s angry family as a result. Numerous others acknowledged that they just executed a highly valuable political hostage and pissed off powerful family members and vassals of Ned. Ned himself didn’t expect to be executed because he did his part and knew how valuable he was. Had things gone “normally” (fan theories include Joffrey being insane or Littlefinger whispering into his ear to cause this), Ned would have gotten out alive but still badly off.

	==The darker side of goodness==		==The darker side of goodness==

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Examples of "Good" done Stupidly

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	*[[Konrad Curze]] - VERY VERY much so, despite the fact he [[Noblebright\|brought crime and corruption on his world to near-zero, improving efficiency and bringing hope]] to his world, he was NOT a good person, no matter what he was attempting to argue.		*[[Konrad Curze]] - VERY VERY much so, despite the fact he [[Noblebright\|brought crime and corruption on his world to near-zero, improving efficiency and bringing hope]] to his world, he was NOT a good person, no matter what he was attempting to argue.
	*The '''Organians''' again; Though only in [[/v/\|video games]] where they have given up the non-violent approach and decide to force everyone into peace by [[derp\|declaring war on them]].		*The '''Organians''' again; Though only in [[/v/\|video games]] where they have given up the non-violent approach and decide to force everyone into peace by [[derp\|declaring war on them]].
	* Stannis Baratheon, from the show adaptation of [[A Song of Ice and Fire]]. He keeps on committing morally dubious and sometimes even downright villainous acts, such as sacrificing his own daughter to a fire god, in order to save Westeros from a bunch of evil elves, their zombie minions, and their Darth Maul lookalike leader; all at the behest of a crazed priestess who can't see that Stannis is NOT the chosen hero of yore, which she has fooled both herself and him into believing. In other words, he's a more well intentioned Macbeth who ~~will end~~ up with the same fate.		* Stannis Baratheon, from the show adaptation of [[A Song of Ice and Fire]]. He keeps on committing morally dubious and sometimes even downright villainous acts, such as sacrificing his own daughter to a fire god, in order to save Westeros from a bunch of evil elves, their zombie minions, and their Darth Maul lookalike leader; all at the behest of a crazed priestess who can't see that Stannis is NOT the chosen hero of yore, which she has fooled both herself and him into believing. In other words, he's a more well intentioned Macbeth who ended up with the same fate.

	[[Category:Dungeons & Dragons]][[Category:Alignment]][[Category:Stupid Alignments]]		[[Category:Dungeons & Dragons]][[Category:Alignment]][[Category:Stupid Alignments]]

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	{{Topquote\|Ignoring what he's done in the past. Blindly, stupidly disregarding the entire graveyards he's filled, the thousands who have suffered, the friends he's crippled.\|Jason Todd to Batman about Joker, nailing how Stupid Good characters actually end up causing massive harm for the sake of their own "morals."}}		{{Topquote\|Ignoring what he's done in the past. Blindly, stupidly disregarding the entire graveyards he's filled, the thousands who have suffered, the friends he's crippled.\|Jason Todd to Batman about Joker, nailing how Stupid Good characters actually end up causing massive harm for the sake of their own "morals."}}

	{{Topquote\|Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.\|Dark Helmet, ''Spaceballs'', having just casually disarmed Lone Starr with ~~a trick~~ that even [[Lawful Stupid\|Ned Stark]] would have seen coming.}}		{{Topquote\|Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.\|Dark Helmet, ''Spaceballs'', having just casually disarmed Lone Starr with two tricks that even [[Lawful Stupid\|Ned Stark]] would have seen coming.}}

	'''Stupid Good''' is a term derived from the [[Dungeons & Dragons]] [[alignment]] system, but can easily be applied to [[character]]s in any [[role-playing game]] in fact, it can be applied to characters in any medium, for a specific way of playing a morally good character, usually a [[Paladin]] with a relatively even split between this and [[Lawful Stupid]].		'''Stupid Good''' is a term derived from the [[Dungeons & Dragons]] [[alignment]] system, but can easily be applied to [[character]]s in any [[role-playing game]] in fact, it can be applied to characters in any medium, for a specific way of playing a morally good character, usually a [[Paladin]] with a relatively even split between this and [[Lawful Stupid]].

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	**Optimus Prime can also be equally described as [[Lawful Stupid]], thanks to shit like the time he let himself get blown up as a consequence of a duel in which he ''knew'' the other guy cheated.		**Optimus Prime can also be equally described as [[Lawful Stupid]], thanks to shit like the time he let himself get blown up as a consequence of a duel in which he ''knew'' the other guy cheated.
	*The '''Organians''' from the original series of [[Star Trek]] are peace lovers to the extreme, to the point in intervening in the Federation/Klingon War and stopping all fighting across the galaxy. Particularly in the expanded content where they refuse to get involved in Q-Wars threatening multiple dimensions of existence.		*The '''Organians''' from the original series of [[Star Trek]] are peace lovers to the extreme, to the point in intervening in the Federation/Klingon War and stopping all fighting across the galaxy. Particularly in the expanded content where they refuse to get involved in Q-Wars threatening multiple dimensions of existence.
	*[[Batman]]. Just...how many times did he let the Joker live or even went out of his way to save ~~him~~, FULLY KNOWING that he'd escape Arkham and kill many more innocents, and ~~doing~~ the whole dance over again? Various reasons have been given ~~of varying validity~~, from "Killing the Joker means ''he wins''" to "Batman is already unhinged and you want him to start ''killing people?''", ~~but~~ the core sentiment remains the same: the Joker is extremely dangerous, clearly incapable of ~~plus unwilling~~ to ~~try rehabilitation,~~ and not containable without drastic measures. ~~Death is probably the most humane option at this point, and sending~~ him back to Arkham is just kicking the can down the road.		*[[Batman]], as mentioned above. Just...how many times did he let the Joker live or even went out of his way to save his life, FULLY KNOWING that he'd escape Arkham and kill many more innocents and starting the whole dance over again? Various reasons have been given, from "Killing the Joker means ''he wins''" to "Batman is already unhinged and you want him to start ''killing people?''", with different levels of merit. Yet, the core sentiment remains the same: the Joker is extremely dangerous, clearly incapable of trying rehabilitation to the point of simply being unable to and not containable without drastic measures. Sending him back to Arkham is just kicking the can down the road and death is probably the most humane option at this point.
	** It should be added that this stupidity ~~well~~ goes deeper, ~~even ignoring~~ Batman's part in it: Given that many versions of the Joker have known kills numbering in the three, four, or even five digits, why hasn't he "broken his neck falling down the stairs" or "jumped out a tenth story window" while in Police custody? How did he avoid capital punishment when even pleading insanity has its legal limits? Certain versions of The Joker remaining alive ~~remains somewhat~~ inexplicable in realistic terms, full stop. That's comic book logic for you.		**It should be added that this stupidity goes much deeper, way beyond only Batman's part in it. Given that many versions of the Joker have known kills numbering in the three, four, or sometimes even five digits, why hasn't he "broken his neck falling down the stairs" or "jumped out a tenth story window" while in Police custody? How did he avoid capital punishment when even pleading insanity has its legal limits? Certain versions of The Joker remaining alive is inexplicable in realistic terms, full stop. That's comic book logic for you.
	*Ned Stark can both fit into Lawful Stupid and Stupid Good, as his penchant for mercy (he doesn't want Robert to murder Tommen and Myrcella in a fit of rage) ends up getting him executed and generally starting the major clusterfuck known as the War of the Five Kings.		*Ned Stark can both fit into Lawful Stupid and Stupid Good, as his penchant for mercy (he doesn't want Robert to murder Tommen and Myrcella in a fit of rage) ends up getting him executed and generally starting the major clusterfuck known as the War of the Five Kings.
	** The War would have likely happened anyway because Stannis and Renly were both gathering armies & planning their moves, plus Littlefinger was playing everybody to destroy the realm while Ned was already on Littlefinger's hitlist for being married to his crush. The real stupid things there were not only not getting his kids out faster (he tried but Sansa wanted to stay), but not getting more trustworthy allies and confronting Cersei privately about her crimes and expecting her to turn herself in. Another note is that Ned’s execution was both unexpected by most and virtually everyone thought it was a bad move. Tywin personally claimed it made no sense and was forced to fight Ned’s angry family as a result. Numerous others acknowledged that they just executed a highly valuable political hostage and pissed off powerful family members and vassals of Ned. Ned himself didn’t expect to be executed because he did his part and knew how valuable he was. Had things gone “normally” (fan theories include Joffrey being insane or Littlefinger whispering into his ear to cause this), Ned would have gotten out alive but still badly off.		** The War would have likely happened anyway because Stannis and Renly were both gathering armies & planning their moves, plus Littlefinger was playing everybody to destroy the realm while Ned was already on Littlefinger's hitlist for being married to his crush. The real stupid things there were not only not getting his kids out faster (he tried but Sansa wanted to stay), but not getting more trustworthy allies and confronting Cersei privately about her crimes and expecting her to turn herself in. Another note is that Ned’s execution was both unexpected by most and virtually everyone thought it was a bad move. Tywin personally claimed it made no sense and was forced to fight Ned’s angry family as a result. Numerous others acknowledged that they just executed a highly valuable political hostage and pissed off powerful family members and vassals of Ned. Ned himself didn’t expect to be executed because he did his part and knew how valuable he was. Had things gone “normally” (fan theories include Joffrey being insane or Littlefinger whispering into his ear to cause this), Ned would have gotten out alive but still badly off.

	==The darker side of goodness==		==The darker side of goodness==

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	*[[Konrad Curze]] - VERY VERY much so, despite the fact he [[Noblebright\|brought crime and corruption on his world to near-zero, improving efficiency and bringing hope]] to his world, he was NOT a good person, no matter what he was attempting to argue.		*[[Konrad Curze]] - VERY VERY much so, despite the fact he [[Noblebright\|brought crime and corruption on his world to near-zero, improving efficiency and bringing hope]] to his world, he was NOT a good person, no matter what he was attempting to argue.
	*The '''Organians''' again; Though only in [[/v/\|video games]] where they have given up the non-violent approach and decide to force everyone into peace by [[derp\|declaring war on them]].		*The '''Organians''' again; Though only in [[/v/\|video games]] where they have given up the non-violent approach and decide to force everyone into peace by [[derp\|declaring war on them]].
	* Stannis Baratheon, from the show adaptation of A Song of Ice and Fire. He keeps on committing morally dubious and sometimes even downright villainous acts, such as sacrificing his own daughter to a fire god, in order to save Westeros from a bunch of evil elves, their zombie minions, and their Darth Maul lookalike leader; all at the behest of a crazed priestess who can't see that Stannis is NOT the chosen hero of yore, which she has fooled both herself and him into believing. In other words, he's a more well intentioned Macbeth who will end up with the same fate.		* Stannis Baratheon, from the show adaptation of [[A Song of Ice and Fire]]. He keeps on committing morally dubious and sometimes even downright villainous acts, such as sacrificing his own daughter to a fire god, in order to save Westeros from a bunch of evil elves, their zombie minions, and their Darth Maul lookalike leader; all at the behest of a crazed priestess who can't see that Stannis is NOT the chosen hero of yore, which she has fooled both herself and him into believing. In other words, he's a more well intentioned Macbeth who will end up with the same fate.

	[[Category:Dungeons & Dragons]][[Category:Alignment]][[Category:Stupid Alignments]]		[[Category:Dungeons & Dragons]][[Category:Alignment]][[Category:Stupid Alignments]]