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	~~{{dnd-stub}}~~		As the above can attest, the Summoner is a class that has a lot of controversy surrounding it, so Paizo had to shift around quite a bit in order to make the class fit in a system with a much more rigid action economy and character progression system, to say nothing about the shift in power from casters to martials.
	As the above can attest, the Summoner class ~~had~~ a lot of controversy surrounding it, so Paizo had to shift around quite a bit in order to make the class fit in a system with a much more rigid action economy and character progression system.

	The Summoner ~~themself~~ remains a Charisma-based spellcasting class, but like the [[Magus]] (who was released in the same book) these spell slots are extremely limited to two slots of the highest level and two of the level below, with any spells known elevating to the lowest-known level. Unlike the Magus, however, they don't have utility spells to break this limitation by much - The best ~~you~~ have is focus spells and feats that ~~allow you to sacrifice your casting~~ slot for multiple slots of a lesser-elevated Summoning spell as a callback to 1E's free Summon Monster slots. While the Summoner gets a high starting HP pool at 10+Con Mod (one given usually to only frontliners), that HP is also split up with their Eidolon.		The Summoner remains a Charisma-based spellcasting class, but like the [[Magus]] (who was released in the same book) these spell slots are extremely limited to two slots of the highest level and two of the level below, with any spells known elevating to the lowest-known level. Unlike the Magus, however, they don't have utility spells to break this limitation by much - The best they have is focus spells and feats that permit sacrificing a pecious spell slot for multiple slots of a lesser-elevated Summoning spell as a callback to 1E's free Summon Monster slots. While the Summoner gets a high starting HP pool at 10+Con Mod (one given usually to only frontliners), that HP is also split up with their Eidolon.

	Speaking of the Eidolon, they remain the central aspect to which this class is tied. As with any other pet, the Summoner will have to split their action economy with ordering their giant summon, though they can use certain actions with the "Tandem" keyword to perform actions at the same time.		Speaking of the Eidolon, they remain the central aspect to which this class is tied. As with any other pet, the Summoner will have to split their action economy with ordering their giant summon, though they can use certain actions with the "Tandem" keyword to perform actions at the same time.

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	[[File:Praise it.png\|thumb\|An [[Doom\|Archvile]], ~~the~~ stereotypical summoner, very annoying, very evil, very much wants you dead.]]		[[File:Praise it.png\|thumb\|An [[Doom\|Archvile]], a stereotypical summoner: very annoying, very evil, very much wants you dead.]]
	A '''Summoner''' is a magic user who is able to summon various magical/supernatural beings to aid them in daily life and/or combat. Because of how difficult and taxing summoning can be, Summoners aren't as proficient in spellcasting like other magic users, but when you can summon a raging [[minotaur]] or fire [[elemental]] to help you out, it does balance it out quite nicely. Most fantasy settings like some form of summoner present or at least the skills to use summoning in battle. There was a cool PS2 RPG of the same title which was the shit when it came out. Summoning generally is shown to have it's own downsides though. It is cool to try to summon an elemental but if you are not strong enough to control it or you are not careful enough in the rituals the summons can break free and quickly make life unpleasant for you, from eating you or controlling you in turn. Summoning can take time and concentration, leaving you open to attack. Guess nothing is really for free. [[Daemon]] summoning is often seen as a sub-class of general summoning in of itself, due to range of daemons and the various dangers daemon summoners face when dealing with the [[abyss]].		A '''Summoner''' is a magic user who is able to summon various magical/supernatural beings to aid them in daily life and/or combat. Because of how difficult and taxing summoning can be, Summoners aren't as proficient in spellcasting like other magic users, but when you can summon a raging [[minotaur]] or fire [[elemental]] to help you out, it does balance it out quite nicely. Most fantasy settings like some form of summoner present or at least the skills to use summoning in battle. There was a cool PS2 RPG of the same title which was the shit when it came out. Summoning generally is shown to have it's own downsides though. It is cool to try to summon an elemental but if you are not strong enough to control it or you are not careful enough in the rituals the summons can break free and quickly make life unpleasant for you, from eating you or controlling you in turn. Summoning can take time and concentration, leaving you open to attack. Guess nothing is really for free. [[Daemon]] summoning is often seen as a sub-class of general summoning in of itself, due to range of daemons and the various dangers daemon summoners face when dealing with the [[abyss]].

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	Following the example set by ''Unchained'', all the base forms of the Eidolons have a default statline (Or rather, each form has two statlines to pick between, with one better suited for punching and the other better suited for casting) and set of abilities to avoid cheesing out only one aspect of their build. Unlike 1E though, any additional evolutions are exclusively provided by special feats. On top of that, each of the different Eidolon forms provide access to a unique spell list akin to the Sorcerer's bloodlines.		Following the example set by ''Unchained'', all the base forms of the Eidolons have a default statline (Or rather, each form has two statlines to pick between, with one better suited for punching and the other better suited for casting) and set of abilities to avoid cheesing out only one aspect of their build. Unlike 1E though, any additional evolutions are exclusively provided by special feats. On top of that, each of the different Eidolon forms provide access to a unique spell list akin to the Sorcerer's bloodlines.
	*Arcane has the Construct and Dragon Eidolons		*Arcane has the Construct and Dragon Eidolons
	*Divine has the Angel, Demon, and ~~Psychopomp~~ Eidolons		*Divine has the Angel, Demon, Psychopomp and Ghost Eidolons
	*Primal has the Beast, Fey, and Plant Eidolons		*Primal has the Beast, Fey, and Plant Eidolons
	*Occult has the Anger Phantom and Devotion Phantom Eidolons, making the Summoner also kinda like the [[Spiritualist]].		*Occult has the Anger Phantom and Devotion Phantom Eidolons, making the Summoner also kinda like the [[Spiritualist]].

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	Following the example set by ''Unchained'', all the base forms of the Eidolons have a default statline (Or rather, each form has two statlines to pick between, with one better suited for punching and the other better suited for casting) and set of abilities to avoid cheesing out only one aspect of their build. Unlike 1E though, any additional evolutions are exclusively provided by special feats. On top of that, each of the different Eidolon forms provide access to a unique spell list akin to the Sorcerer's bloodlines.		Following the example set by ''Unchained'', all the base forms of the Eidolons have a default statline (Or rather, each form has two statlines to pick between, with one better suited for punching and the other better suited for casting) and set of abilities to avoid cheesing out only one aspect of their build. Unlike 1E though, any additional evolutions are exclusively provided by special feats. On top of that, each of the different Eidolon forms provide access to a unique spell list akin to the Sorcerer's bloodlines.
	*Arcane has the Construct and Dragon Eidolons		*Arcane has the Construct and Dragon Eidolons
	*Divine has the Angel, ~~Demonn~~, and Psychopomp Eidolons		*Divine has the Angel, Demon, and Psychopomp Eidolons
	*Primal has the Beast, Fey, and Plant Eidolons		*Primal has the Beast, Fey, and Plant Eidolons
	*Occult has the Anger Phantom and Devotion Phantom Eidolons, making the Summoner also kinda like the [[Spiritualist]].		*Occult has the Anger Phantom and Devotion Phantom Eidolons, making the Summoner also kinda like the [[Spiritualist]].

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	Following the example set by ''Unchained'', all the base forms of the Eidolons have a default statline (Or rather, each form has two statlines to pick between, with one better suited for punching and the other better suited for casting) and set of abilities to avoid cheesing out only one aspect of their build. Unlike 1E though, any additional evolutions are exclusively provided by special feats. On top of that, each of the different Eidolon forms provide access to a unique spell list akin to the Sorcerer's bloodlines.		Following the example set by ''Unchained'', all the base forms of the Eidolons have a default statline (Or rather, each form has two statlines to pick between, with one better suited for punching and the other better suited for casting) and set of abilities to avoid cheesing out only one aspect of their build. Unlike 1E though, any additional evolutions are exclusively provided by special feats. On top of that, each of the different Eidolon forms provide access to a unique spell list akin to the Sorcerer's bloodlines.
	*Arcane has the Construct and Dragon Eidolons		*Arcane has the Construct and Dragon Eidolons
	*Divine has the Angel, ~~Aeon~~, and ~~Daemon~~ Eidolons		*Divine has the Angel, Demonn, and Psychopomp Eidolons
	*Primal has the Beast, Fey, and Plant Eidolons		*Primal has the Beast, Fey, and Plant Eidolons
	*Occult has the Anger Phantom and Devotion Phantom Eidolons, making the Summoner also kinda like the [[Spiritualist]].		*Occult has the Anger Phantom and Devotion Phantom Eidolons, making the Summoner also kinda like the [[Spiritualist]].

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			As the above can attest, the Summoner class had a lot of controversy surrounding it, so Paizo had to shift around quite a bit in order to make the class fit in a system with a much more rigid action economy and character progression system.

			The Summoner themself remains a Charisma-based spellcasting class, but like the [[Magus]] (who was released in the same book) these spell slots are extremely limited to two slots of the highest level and two of the level below, with any spells known elevating to the lowest-known level. Unlike the Magus, however, they don't have utility spells to break this limitation by much - The best you have is focus spells and feats that allow you to sacrifice your casting slot for multiple slots of a lesser-elevated Summoning spell as a callback to 1E's free Summon Monster slots. While the Summoner gets a high starting HP pool at 10+Con Mod (one given usually to only frontliners), that HP is also split up with their Eidolon.

			Speaking of the Eidolon, they remain the central aspect to which this class is tied. As with any other pet, the Summoner will have to split their action economy with ordering their giant summon, though they can use certain actions with the "Tandem" keyword to perform actions at the same time.

			Following the example set by ''Unchained'', all the base forms of the Eidolons have a default statline (Or rather, each form has two statlines to pick between, with one better suited for punching and the other better suited for casting) and set of abilities to avoid cheesing out only one aspect of their build. Unlike 1E though, any additional evolutions are exclusively provided by special feats. On top of that, each of the different Eidolon forms provide access to a unique spell list akin to the Sorcerer's bloodlines.
			*Arcane has the Construct and Dragon Eidolons
			*Divine has the Angel, Aeon, and Daemon Eidolons
			*Primal has the Beast, Fey, and Plant Eidolons
			*Occult has the Anger Phantom and Devotion Phantom Eidolons, making the Summoner also kinda like the [[Spiritualist]].

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	Mirrored Soul is a Champion Archetype, that creates a Soul Eidolon, that may as well be declared a [[Jojo's Bizarre Adventure\|Stand]]. The Soul Eidolon is unique in that it obtains the talents (magic and combat) of its user, and even the user's skill ranks. They also use the caster's CL and spell points, but they come with a unique weakness that forces them to both to take damage. However, as they level up, they gain a boost to their attack and AC by being in range of their Soul Eidolon.		Mirrored Soul is a Champion Archetype, that creates a Soul Eidolon, that may as well be declared a [[Jojo's Bizarre Adventure\|Stand]]. The Soul Eidolon is unique in that it obtains the talents (magic and combat) of its user, and even the user's skill ranks. They also use the caster's CL and spell points, but they come with a unique weakness that forces them to both to take damage. However, as they level up, they gain a boost to their attack and AC by being in range of their Soul Eidolon.

	Humorously, the joke archetype added from the [[Catgirl]] Handbook, the Nyancaller, [[What\|actually serves as the closest thing to a true Spheres Summoner, with the proper power that entails]]. It gains a new +1 to their Conjuration CL, as well as gaining Catacteristics; the return to the evolutions. They also gain the improved Maker's Call feat (known as Beckon and Pspsps, because Catgirl Handbook) and the Call the Departed talent as a free talent, and the ability to use it 8 times for free. It may lose access to Shield Ally and Greater Shield Ally and the dubiously useful Merge Forms, but the biggest drawback is actually playing a class called [[Fail\|Nyancaller]].		Humorously, the joke archetype added from the [[Catgirl]] Handbook, the Nyancaller, [[What\|actually serves as the closest thing to a true Spheres Summoner, with the proper power that entails]]. It gains a new +1 to their Conjuration CL, as well as gaining Catacteristics; the return to the evolutions. They also gain the improved Maker's Call feat (known as Beckon and Pspsps, because Catgirl Handbook) and the Call the Departed talent as a free talent, and the ability to use it 8 times for free. It may lose access to Shield Ally and Greater Shield Ally and the dubiously useful Merge Forms, but the biggest drawback is actually playing a class called [[Fail\|Nyancaller]] (however, the handbook also contains non-cat pun names for its content: the nyancaller can just be the evolutioner).

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