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24.156.181.233: /* Supers Roleplaying (Or: /tg/ Relevance) */

2023-06-06T01:50:04Z

Supers Roleplaying (Or: /tg/ Relevance)

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	* [[Princess: The Hopeful]] is essentially "Magical Girls in New [[World of Darkness]]"		* [[Princess: The Hopeful]] is essentially "Magical Girls in New [[World of Darkness]]"
	* The [[Sentinel Comics Roleplaying Game]], the RPG spin-off to the equally /tg/-relevant card game [[Sentinels of the Multiverse]]. The exact opposite of ''Blood of Heroes'' in terms of being a fanmade setting that takes inspiration from classic superhero stories while still asserting its own identity and telling good stories with the characters, being based around the fictional "Sentinel Comics" imprint with a fictional history that informs many creative choices.		* The [[Sentinel Comics Roleplaying Game]], the RPG spin-off to the equally /tg/-relevant card game [[Sentinels of the Multiverse]]. The exact opposite of ''Blood of Heroes'' in terms of being a fanmade setting that takes inspiration from classic superhero stories while still asserting its own identity and telling good stories with the characters, being based around the fictional "Sentinel Comics" imprint with a fictional history that informs many creative choices.
			* [[Masks: A New Generation]] Teens / young adults superheroes, Coming of age meets superhero TTRPG. Think Young Justice, or one of the many X-men titles staring younger mutants.

	==See also==		==See also==

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Notable Superverses (that aren't Marvel/DC)

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	* ''Harbinger:'' Super-powered teenagers attempt to escape the powerful psychic megacorp owner who seeks to use them as soldiers to conquer the world.		* ''Harbinger:'' Super-powered teenagers attempt to escape the powerful psychic megacorp owner who seeks to use them as soldiers to conquer the world.
	* ''Magnus, Robot Fighter:'' In the 41st century, one lone badass stands against the threat of mass robot uprisings.		* ''Magnus, Robot Fighter:'' In the 41st century, one lone badass stands against the threat of mass robot uprisings.
	* ''Shadowman:'' A New Orleans man is forced to become a nocturnal Voodoo-powered guardian deity against necromancers and the restless dead.		* ''Shadowman:'' A New Orleans man is forced to become a nocturnal Voodoo-powered guardian deity against necromancers and the restless dead. Has some pretty baller video games.
	* ''Turok:'' A Native American hunter from the Wild West era finds himself trapped in "The Lost Land", a [[plane]] outside of the normal bonds of reality that touches upon all times, forcing him to fight for his life against armies of genetically enhanced [[cyborg]] [[dinosaur]]s.		* ''Turok:'' A Native American hunter from the Wild West era finds himself trapped in "The Lost Land", a [[plane]] outside of the normal bonds of reality that touches upon all times, forcing him to fight for his life against armies of genetically enhanced [[cyborg]] [[dinosaur]]s. Has his own well-known videogame series as well.
	* ''X-O Manowar:'' A Visigoth Barbarian, kidnapped by aliens, escapes by stealing a superpowerful suit of [[Power Armor]] and finds himself stranded on Modern earth.		* ''X-O Manowar:'' A Visigoth Barbarian, kidnapped by aliens, escapes by stealing a superpowerful suit of [[Power Armor]] and finds himself stranded on Modern earth.

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Notable subtypes, (sub)genres and styles

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	* Tokusatsu (特撮, literally "special effects") aka Henshin (変身, "transformation"): A Japanese genre of masked, transforming heroes (the better to change actors so they can film those scenes on the cheap). Often includes giant robots and size changing to allow fighting a multiple scales. Examples include Super Sentai (which Power Rangers recycles footage from), Kamen Rider, Ultraman, and the 1970s Japanese Spider-Man (which is a fascinating story all in itself).		* Tokusatsu (特撮, literally "special effects") aka Henshin (変身, "transformation"): A Japanese genre of masked, transforming heroes (the better to change actors so they can film those scenes on the cheap). Often includes giant robots and size changing to allow fighting a multiple scales. Examples include Super Sentai (which Power Rangers recycles footage from), Kamen Rider, Ultraman, and the 1970s Japanese Spider-Man (which is a fascinating story all in itself).
	* Magical Girl (魔法少女): Girls change into super powered forms to fight evil (though many of the early example used their powers for other things). Unlike Toku heroes, magical girl forms generally aren't masked but instead have some kind of physical element to the transformation that hides the user's identity. Despite being strongly associated with Japan, Fawcett's 1942 introduction of Mary Marvel is the earliest proper example.		* Magical Girl (魔法少女): Girls change into super powered forms to fight evil (though many of the early example used their powers for other things). Unlike Toku heroes, magical girl forms generally aren't masked but instead have some kind of physical element to the transformation that hides the user's identity. Despite being strongly associated with Japan, Fawcett's 1942 introduction of Mary Marvel is the earliest proper example.
	* "Bad Girl" comics: One of the more durable trends of the Dark Age, above: Female anti-heroes (either cynical or outright "beyond good and evil", with greed and revenge being frequent motivators), usually dealing with even worse villains, not afraid to engage in some extreme ultraviolence, with some degree of supernatural powers going around, and a whole lot of sexy fanservice. There are two interesting factors: Their popularity among women was actually fairly high (Who would have guessed ''actually'' strong female protagonists would appeal to girls and women?), and their popularity (although much diminished) extends to the present day, unlike much of the legacy of the Dark Age.		* "Bad Girl" comics: One of the more durable trends of the Dark Age, above: Female anti-heroes (either cynical or outright "beyond good and evil", with greed and revenge being frequent motivators), usually dealing with even worse villains, not afraid to engage in some extreme ultraviolence, with some degree of supernatural powers going around, and a whole lot of sexy fanservice. There are two interesting factors: Their popularity among women was actually fairly high (Who would have guessed ''actually'' strong female protagonists would appeal to girls and women? Even the fanservice was largely tolerated, as few wouldn't want to be badass and look good at the same time), and their popularity (although much diminished) extends to the present day, unlike much of the legacy of the Dark Age.
	* "Deconstruction": There's a lot of not very well-thought-out use of this word in criticism of superhero comics. We'll go with the TVTropes definition, where deconstruction is more about taking a trope or story type, and either trying to play it out like it would in reality, or show the disturbing supporting tissue needed to uphold the plausibility.		* "Deconstruction": There's a lot of not very well-thought-out use of this word in criticism of superhero comics. We'll go with the TVTropes definition, where deconstruction is more about taking a trope or story type, and either trying to play it out like it would in reality, or show the disturbing supporting tissue needed to uphold the plausibility.

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Some General Trends

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	*** There have been self-company clones; usually, the reason is because the rights are tied up, or because the character is thought to be unfitting for the audience (for example, one reason DC had so many John Constantine knock-offs is because for many years he was an "adults only" character that was carefully confined to the "Vertigo" imprint).		*** There have been self-company clones; usually, the reason is because the rights are tied up, or because the character is thought to be unfitting for the audience (for example, one reason DC had so many John Constantine knock-offs is because for many years he was an "adults only" character that was carefully confined to the "Vertigo" imprint).
	** There's also parallel evolution, which is a ''very'' frequent thing in any storytelling medium. That is, two different characters or teams are designed to fill a niche, but in the process, the niche dictates so much that the two are almost identical. Notable examples in comic books include the initial versions of Swamp Thing and Man Thing (and both of whom were heavily inspired by an earlier, out of print character, The Heap), and the original versions of the X-Men and Doom Patrol; both pairs appeared effectively simultaneously, and were obviously based on roughly the same inspiration.<ref>For the former: "Horror comics are back, sort of. Hey, this Heap character was a good horror character, and he's out of print (and thus not likely to get us sued)"; for the latter, "What can we do to have a hero team that allows us to talk about discrimination?".</ref>		** There's also parallel evolution, which is a ''very'' frequent thing in any storytelling medium. That is, two different characters or teams are designed to fill a niche, but in the process, the niche dictates so much that the two are almost identical. Notable examples in comic books include the initial versions of Swamp Thing and Man Thing (and both of whom were heavily inspired by an earlier, out of print character, The Heap), and the original versions of the X-Men and Doom Patrol; both pairs appeared effectively simultaneously, and were obviously based on roughly the same inspiration.<ref>For the former: "Horror comics are back, sort of. Hey, this Heap character was a good horror character, and he's out of print (and thus not likely to get us sued)"; for the latter, "What can we do to have a hero team that allows us to talk about discrimination?".</ref>
	** Straight ripoffs are rarer, as it's widely considered to be playing with copyright lawsuit fire, but they happen, particularly of the type that can be played off as "parallel evolution".		** Straight ripoffs are rarer, as it's widely considered to be playing with copyright lawsuit fire, but they happen, particularly of the type that can be played off as "parallel evolution". The most notable example would be Marvel's Squadron Supreme, a team of alternate universe heroes based on DC's Justice League.

	* '''Foils, aka Contrasting Characters'''		* '''Foils, aka Contrasting Characters'''

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Notable Superverses (that aren't Marvel/DC)

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	* ''Spawn:'' After CIA [[assassin]] Al Simmons is murdered by his own bosses, he makes a deal with an [[archdevil]], promising to lead Hell's armies in the invasion of Earth if he can go back and see his wife one last time. And he promptly wakes up as a hideously malformed [[revenant]] who looks ''exactly'' how you'd imagine the corpse of somebody who got burned to death 5 years ago would look, wearing a costume that's actually a living [[fiend]], wielding black magic powers he doesn't understand and with almost no memory of who he is. Oh, and his wife got married to his best friend and popped out a daughter whilst he was dead, too.		* ''Spawn:'' After CIA [[assassin]] Al Simmons is murdered by his own bosses, he makes a deal with an [[archdevil]], promising to lead Hell's armies in the invasion of Earth if he can go back and see his wife one last time. And he promptly wakes up as a hideously malformed [[revenant]] who looks ''exactly'' how you'd imagine the corpse of somebody who got burned to death 5 years ago would look, wearing a costume that's actually a living [[fiend]], wielding black magic powers he doesn't understand and with almost no memory of who he is. Oh, and his wife got married to his best friend and popped out a daughter whilst he was dead, too.
	* ''Savage Dragon:'' A huge green man with a reptilian fin on his head wakes up naked and amnesiac in the middle of a burning field in Chicago. Discovered and taken in by a good-hearted Chicago cop, the Savage Dragon promptly joins the Chicago police force, as his super strength, super toughness, and regeneration makes him their best chance at combating the rising threat of super-criminals.		* ''Savage Dragon:'' A huge green man with a reptilian fin on his head wakes up naked and amnesiac in the middle of a burning field in Chicago. Discovered and taken in by a good-hearted Chicago cop, the Savage Dragon promptly joins the Chicago police force, as his super strength, super toughness, and regeneration makes him their best chance at combating the rising threat of super-criminals.
	* ''Invincible:''' The son of a Superman expy inherits the powers of his father, said Superman expy, but soon learns that his half-alien heritage is not what it seems...		* ''Invincible:''' The son of a Superman expy inherits the powers of his father, said Superman expy, but soon learns that his half-alien heritage is not what it seems... (Recently got a new show on amazon!)
	* ''WildC.A.T.S:'' Two different cabals of warring alien races, the evil body-possessing Daemonites and the humanoid Kherubims, continue their racial war after crashlanding on Earth.		* ''WildC.A.T.S:'' Two different cabals of warring alien races, the evil body-possessing Daemonites and the humanoid Kherubims, continue their racial war after crashlanding on Earth.
	* ''Youngblood:'' The government attempts to organize its own band of superhuman black ops agents.		* ''Youngblood:'' The government attempts to organize its own band of superhuman black ops agents.

1d4chan>MrPhantom: /* Some General Trends */

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Some General Trends

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	** Time progresses much slower than publication history. A character may reference a plot from 15 years ago, but the events won't have occurred fifteen years ago (This becomes particularly confusing with child characters. Franklin Richards was born in a 1968 comic and didn't hit natural puberty till 2019). The exceptions to this rule are things created as historical events (such as a bounty hunter in the Wild West), and characters/events bound to World War II.		** Time progresses much slower than publication history. A character may reference a plot from 15 years ago, but the events won't have occurred fifteen years ago (This becomes particularly confusing with child characters. Franklin Richards was born in a 1968 comic and didn't hit natural puberty till 2019). The exceptions to this rule are things created as historical events (such as a bounty hunter in the Wild West), and characters/events bound to World War II.
	*** Notably this is the one signature element of comics that roleplaying games try to avoid. The games that managed to live long enough have had the time between editions progress in real time, with the printed characters aging and developing.		*** Notably this is the one signature element of comics that roleplaying games try to avoid. The games that managed to live long enough have had the time between editions progress in real time, with the printed characters aging and developing.
			** Cosmic retcon storms push major catalyst events (like Superman's arrival and Captain America being pulled out of the ice) and other character births/major defining events and return of old powers equivalently to the future every decade or two, allowing people to actually read without a continuity lockout or having to retcon entire lines of material.

	* '''Unpowered Superheroes'''		* '''Unpowered Superheroes'''

1d4chan>Saarlacfunkel: /* Some General Trends */ Eh. Let's try and keep it down to just the bare minimum.

2021-12-29T12:28:16Z

Some General Trends: Eh. Let's try and keep it down to just the bare minimum.

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	* '''Captain Ethnic'''		* '''Captain Ethnic'''
	** As superhuman characters from outside of the original WASP American backgrounds started to become a thing in the 60s and 70s, writers had to figure out a way to make it clearer who these characters were in terms of ethnicity. Taking cues from the Captain Patriotic trope of the Golden Age, Captain Ethnic characters are heavily defined their ethnicity or nationality, particularly when it comes to costume design or power set. At its best, these characters draw upon mythology or pop culture from their origins; for example, a Japanese super-inventor who uses [[samurai]] themed [[Power Armor]] and gadgets. At its worst, these characters are just bad ethnic stereotypes, such as an Irish superheroine who dresses in a sexualized version of the [[leprechaun]] outfit, has luck manipulation powers, and is portrayed as a drunken slutty party girl.		** As superhuman characters from outside of the original WASP American backgrounds started to become a thing in the 60s and 70s, writers had to figure out a way to make it clearer who these characters were in terms of ethnicity. Taking cues from the Captain Patriotic trope of the Golden Age, Captain Ethnic characters are heavily defined their ethnicity or nationality, particularly when it comes to costume design or power set. At its best, these characters draw upon mythology or pop culture from their origins; for example, a Japanese super-inventor who uses [[samurai]] themed [[Power Armor]] and gadgets. At its worst, these characters are just bad ethnic stereotypes, such as an Irish superheroine who dresses in a sexualized version of the [[leprechaun]] outfit, has luck manipulation powers, and is portrayed as a drunken slutty party girl.
	** A variant of this trend is African-American supers with electricity-related powers, an homage to the "Black Power" movements of the 70s. Seriously, these guys (and gals, but they tend to be guys) are every-fucking-where, to the point that Marvel's Luke Cage actually stands out for "only" having super strength and nigh invulnerability instead. The most famous examples are Static from DC Comics and Storm (a rare female example) from Marvel. Even Miles Morales, "the Black Spider-Man", invokes this element with his signature gimmick of the Venom Blast, a unique power that lets him short-circuit an opponent's nervous system if he can touch them... yeah, they decided the Afro-Latino Spidey needed to have "taser touch" as a superpower.		** A variant of this trend is African-American supers with electricity-related powers, an homage to the "Black Power" movements of the 70s.

	* '''Captain Patriotic'''		* '''Captain Patriotic'''

1d4chan>QuietBrowser: /* Some General Trends */

2021-12-29T11:27:44Z

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