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	The video game Pathfinder: [[Kingmaker]] (the only D&D rules based video game to actually feature swarm monsters, besides the sequel WOTR) featured a cave with spider swarms early on, it was possible to make this your third fight after the prologue sequence, and this prompted much butthurt. In response the developers made it optional and gave further warning/explanation in the Enhanced Edition.		The video game Pathfinder: [[Kingmaker]] (the only D&D rules based video game to actually feature swarm monsters, besides the sequel WOTR) featured a cave with spider swarms early on, it was possible to make this your third fight after the prologue sequence, and this prompted much butthurt. In response the developers made it optional and gave further warning/explanation in the Enhanced Edition.

	It only got worse in the sequel, [[Wrath of the Righteous]]. In this game, the addition of Mythic Tiers in addition to normal character levels should make swarms a breeze, right? WRONG! You don't just fight spiders or rats, you fight swarms of flying rat-sized demons called Vescavores, who can eat through literally anything except for [[adamantine]]. In addition to the usual annoying swarm traits like distraction, they also have tons of [[Damage Reduction]] due to being [[demon]]s, can confuse/stun the entire party with Gibber, and resist usual swarm weaknesses due to having [[Bullshit\|Fire and Lightning Resist 10]]. Unless you have an [[Alchemist (Pathfinder)\|Alchemist]] who can throw bombs, get ready to [[rage]], especially on the higher difficulties. On the plus side, if you want to control some swarms of your own and don't mind [[Khorne\|killing literally everyone]], you can take the [[Worm That Walks\|Swarm That Walks Path]]. Yes [[DOOM: Repercussions of Evil\|John. You are the swarms]]! Also has a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D490Y1JFXr4&ab_channel=HSHAZAM hell of a theme song!]		It only got worse in the sequel, [[Wrath of the Righteous]]. In this game, the addition of Mythic Tiers in addition to normal character levels should make swarms a breeze, right? WRONG! You don't just fight spiders or rats, you fight swarms of flying rat-sized demons called Vescavores, who can eat through literally anything except for [[adamantine]]. In addition to the usual annoying swarm traits like distraction, they also have tons of [[Damage Reduction]] due to being [[demon]]s, can confuse/stun the entire party with Gibber, and resist usual swarm weaknesses due to having [[Bullshit\|Fire and Lightning Resist 10]]. Unless you have an [[Alchemist (Pathfinder)\|Alchemist]] who can throw bombs, get ready to [[rage]], especially on the higher difficulties. Later on, you get fiendish ticks, which have the same damage reduction on top of immunity to physical damage. On the plus side, if you want to control some swarms of your own and don't mind [[Khorne\|killing literally everyone]], you can take the [[Worm That Walks\|Swarm That Walks Path]]. Yes [[DOOM: Repercussions of Evil\|John. You are the swarms]]! Also has a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D490Y1JFXr4&ab_channel=HSHAZAM hell of a theme song!]

	== Variants ==		== Variants ==

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	Torches are improvised weapons that deal some fire damage on top of minor bludgeoning, but the rules aren't even consistent on how much fire damage (torches themselves say 1, swarms say 1d3). Since torches are an ''improvised'' weapon you take a -4 penalty to hit if using one. Good luck hitting an effective 18 AC at level 2 (and you need to do it ~6 times)! Lantern oil is a bit better, dealing 1d6 damage and then 1d6 damage the next round (both multiplied by 1.5, so two successful ones might kill a rat swarm), but it takes a full round to prepare (rules are mum on if you can keep them prepared for throwing long term) and only works half the time! You might also get lucky with some GM's who will have the swarm of, and we stress this, wild animals, shy from the fire but that won't help a magically encouraged swarm.		Torches are improvised weapons that deal some fire damage on top of minor bludgeoning, but the rules aren't even consistent on how much fire damage (torches themselves say 1, swarms say 1d3). Since torches are an ''improvised'' weapon you take a -4 penalty to hit if using one. Good luck hitting an effective 18 AC at level 2 (and you need to do it ~6 times)! Lantern oil is a bit better, dealing 1d6 damage and then 1d6 damage the next round (both multiplied by 1.5, so two successful ones might kill a rat swarm), but it takes a full round to prepare (rules are mum on if you can keep them prepared for throwing long term) and only works half the time! You might also get lucky with some GM's who will have the swarm of, and we stress this, wild animals, shy from the fire but that won't help a magically encouraged swarm.

	Alongside the [[House Cat\|housecat]] and incorporeal foes (e.g., [[ghost]]s) swarms are some of the deadliest monsters for their CR in the [[Monster Manual]]/bestiary. They kill a lot of unprepared adventurers and even some prepared ones. The ''Mummy's Mask'' [[Adventure Path]] includes an early ''summoned'' scarab swarm that, being a summoned creature, disappears in two rounds. Jim Groves, the author of this part, [https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qsco?The-HalfDead-City#47 outright stated] this was to warn players that there were swarms in the adventure and to prepare accordingly. Yes, he felt the PCs needed to be warned about a generic nameless enemy type before any of the threats that were important to the story. And he was ''right.'' The video game ''Pathfinder: Kingmaker'' (the only D&D rules based video game to actually feature swarm monsters) featured a cave with spider swarms early on, it was possible to make this your third fight after the prologue sequence, and this prompted much butthurt. In response the developers made it optional and gave further warning/explanation in the Enhanced Edition.		Alongside the [[House Cat\|housecat]] and incorporeal foes (e.g., [[ghost]]s) swarms are some of the deadliest monsters for their CR in the [[Monster Manual]]/bestiary. They kill a lot of unprepared adventurers and even some prepared ones. The ''Mummy's Mask'' [[Adventure Path]] includes an early ''summoned'' scarab swarm that, being a summoned creature, disappears in two rounds. Jim Groves, the author of this part, [https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qsco?The-HalfDead-City#47 outright stated] this was to warn players that there were swarms in the adventure and to prepare accordingly. Yes, he felt the PCs needed to be warned about a generic nameless enemy type before any of the threats that were important to the story. And he was ''right.''

	Interestingly, since undead creation is based on hit die instead of creatures targeted, swarms can be made into [[Undead]]. Insects in particular can become exo[[skeleton]] creatures difficult to distinguish from normal instances. Thankfully this doesn't increase their lethality and even drops it slightly: [[Turn Undead]] (and Channel Positive Energy in [[Pathfinder]]) actually work against them, as does holy water (though it's still expensive).		Interestingly, since undead creation is based on hit die instead of creatures targeted, swarms can be made into [[Undead]]. Insects in particular can become exo[[skeleton]] creatures difficult to distinguish from normal instances. Thankfully this doesn't increase their lethality and even drops it slightly: [[Turn Undead]] (and Channel Positive Energy in [[Pathfinder]]) actually work against them, as does holy water (though it's still expensive).

			===Video Games===

			The video game Pathfinder: [[Kingmaker]] (the only D&D rules based video game to actually feature swarm monsters, besides the sequel WOTR) featured a cave with spider swarms early on, it was possible to make this your third fight after the prologue sequence, and this prompted much butthurt. In response the developers made it optional and gave further warning/explanation in the Enhanced Edition.

			It only got worse in the sequel, [[Wrath of the Righteous]]. In this game, the addition of Mythic Tiers in addition to normal character levels should make swarms a breeze, right? WRONG! You don't just fight spiders or rats, you fight swarms of flying rat-sized demons called Vescavores, who can eat through literally anything except for [[adamantine]]. In addition to the usual annoying swarm traits like distraction, they also have tons of [[Damage Reduction]] due to being [[demon]]s, can confuse/stun the entire party with Gibber, and resist usual swarm weaknesses due to having [[Bullshit\|Fire and Lightning Resist 10]]. Unless you have an [[Alchemist (Pathfinder)\|Alchemist]] who can throw bombs, get ready to [[rage]], especially on the higher difficulties. On the plus side, if you want to control some swarms of your own and don't mind [[Khorne\|killing literally everyone]], you can take the [[Worm That Walks\|Swarm That Walks Path]]. Yes [[DOOM: Repercussions of Evil\|John. You are the swarms]]! Also has a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D490Y1JFXr4&ab_channel=HSHAZAM hell of a theme song!]

	== Variants ==		== Variants ==

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	While many swarms have a low [[Challenge Rating]], they are notorious for being very deadly to low level parties, who have very few reliable means of damaging a swarm. Area of effect spells are rare and don't do that much damage anyways, and splash weapons are prohibitively expensive. Energy damage is virtually impossible outside of your precious few spells, many of which don't even work on swarms since they are single-target based. There are only two weapons cheap enough for low level parties to field against swarms: Torches and lantern oil.		While many swarms have a low [[Challenge Rating]], they are notorious for being very deadly to low level parties, who have very few reliable means of damaging a swarm. Area of effect spells are rare and don't do that much damage anyways, and splash weapons are prohibitively expensive. Energy damage is virtually impossible outside of your precious few spells, many of which don't even work on swarms since they are single-target based. There are only two weapons cheap enough for low level parties to field against swarms: Torches and lantern oil.

	Torches are improvised weapons that deal some fire damage on top of minor bludgeoning, but the rules aren't even consistent on how much fire damage (torches themselves say 1, swarms say 1d3). Since torches are an ''improvised'' weapon you take a -4 penalty to hit if using one. Good luck hitting an effective 18 AC at level 2 (and you need to do it ~6 times)! Lantern oil is a bit better, dealing 1d6 damage and then 1d6 damage the next round (both multiplied by 1.5, so two successful ones might kill a rat swarm), but it takes a full round to prepare (rules are mum on if you can keep them prepared for throwing long term) and only works half the time!		Torches are improvised weapons that deal some fire damage on top of minor bludgeoning, but the rules aren't even consistent on how much fire damage (torches themselves say 1, swarms say 1d3). Since torches are an ''improvised'' weapon you take a -4 penalty to hit if using one. Good luck hitting an effective 18 AC at level 2 (and you need to do it ~6 times)! Lantern oil is a bit better, dealing 1d6 damage and then 1d6 damage the next round (both multiplied by 1.5, so two successful ones might kill a rat swarm), but it takes a full round to prepare (rules are mum on if you can keep them prepared for throwing long term) and only works half the time! You might also get lucky with some GM's who will have the swarm of, and we stress this, wild animals, shy from the fire but that won't help a magically encouraged swarm.

	Alongside the [[House Cat\|housecat]] and incorporeal foes (e.g., [[ghost]]s) swarms are some of the deadliest monsters for their CR in the [[Monster Manual]]/bestiary. They kill a lot of unprepared adventurers and even some prepared ones. The ''Mummy's Mask'' [[Adventure Path]] includes an early ''summoned'' scarab swarm that, being a summoned creature, disappears in two rounds. Jim Groves, the author of this part, [https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qsco?The-HalfDead-City#47 outright stated] this was to warn players that there were swarms in the adventure and to prepare accordingly. Yes, he felt the PCs needed to be warned about a generic nameless enemy type before any of the threats that were important to the story. And he was ''right.'' The video game ''Pathfinder: Kingmaker'' (the only D&D rules based video game to actually feature swarm monsters) featured a cave with spider swarms early on, it was possible to make this your third fight after the prologue sequence, and this prompted much butthurt. In response the developers made it optional and gave further warning/explanation in the Enhanced Edition.		Alongside the [[House Cat\|housecat]] and incorporeal foes (e.g., [[ghost]]s) swarms are some of the deadliest monsters for their CR in the [[Monster Manual]]/bestiary. They kill a lot of unprepared adventurers and even some prepared ones. The ''Mummy's Mask'' [[Adventure Path]] includes an early ''summoned'' scarab swarm that, being a summoned creature, disappears in two rounds. Jim Groves, the author of this part, [https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qsco?The-HalfDead-City#47 outright stated] this was to warn players that there were swarms in the adventure and to prepare accordingly. Yes, he felt the PCs needed to be warned about a generic nameless enemy type before any of the threats that were important to the story. And he was ''right.'' The video game ''Pathfinder: Kingmaker'' (the only D&D rules based video game to actually feature swarm monsters) featured a cave with spider swarms early on, it was possible to make this your third fight after the prologue sequence, and this prompted much butthurt. In response the developers made it optional and gave further warning/explanation in the Enhanced Edition.

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	== Overview ==		== Overview ==

	Swarms are notorious for their host of immunities and special abilities. Since killing a few rats in a swarm of hundreds isn't very useful, weapon attacks do half or '''zero''' damage (depending on the type of swarm). A swarm is immune to spells that target a specific number (including one and touch attack based spells) of creatures. Energy attacks do their normal damage, and area of effect damage abilities actually do 1.5 times as much damage. They don't target armor class, doing damage simply by being in your square.		Swarms are notorious for their host of immunities and special abilities. Since killing a few rats in a swarm of hundreds isn't very useful, weapon attacks do half or '''zero''' damage (depending on the type of swarm). A swarm is immune to spells that target a specific number (including one and touch attack based spells) of creatures. Energy attacks do their normal damage, and area of effect damage abilities actually do 1.5 times as much damage. They don't target armor class, doing damage simply by being in your square.

	While many swarms have a low [[Challenge Rating]], they are notorious for being very deadly to low level parties, who have very few reliable means of damaging a swarm. Area of effect spells are rare and don't do that much damage anyways, and splash weapons are prohibitively expensive. Energy damage is virtually impossible outside of your precious few spells, many of which don't even work on swarms since they are single-target based. There are only two weapons cheap enough for low level parties to field against swarms: Torches and lantern oil.		While many swarms have a low [[Challenge Rating]], they are notorious for being very deadly to low level parties, who have very few reliable means of damaging a swarm. Area of effect spells are rare and don't do that much damage anyways, and splash weapons are prohibitively expensive. Energy damage is virtually impossible outside of your precious few spells, many of which don't even work on swarms since they are single-target based. There are only two weapons cheap enough for low level parties to field against swarms: Torches and lantern oil.

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	In ''[[Dungeons & Dragons]]'' a '''swarm''' is a monster that's not a single individual, but a collection of much smaller creatures which are of (at best) animal level intelligence. A swarm may or may not fly, though ground-bound swarms exhibit excellent climbing ability, so high ground won't save you. Despite their large numbers, a swarm has a single statistic block, including one hit point total. Classic types of swarms are large masses of [[Giant_Rat\|Rats]], [[Spider]]s, [[Bees]], and Egyptian Scarab Beetles.		In ''[[Dungeons & Dragons]]'' a '''swarm''' is a monster that's not a single individual, but a collection of much smaller creatures which are of (at best) animal level intelligence. A swarm may or may not fly, though ground-bound swarms exhibit excellent climbing ability, so high ground won't save you. Despite their large numbers, a swarm has a single statistic block, including one hit point total. Classic types of swarms are large masses of [[Giant_Rat\|Rats]], [[Spider]]s, [[Bees]], and Egyptian Scarab Beetles.

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	[[Star Wars D20]] Saga Edition introduces Squads in ''The Clone Wars Campaign Guide'' as a +2 Challenge Level template. Unlike other examples, squads are a relatively small number of foes, generally 3/4, but share many similarities. Squads are bigger, harder to injure, have double the HP, get +4 to attack (as they are considered to be aiding another), make all attacks (except Attacks of Opportunity) as selective area effects and can't be grappled. On the weakness side they take extra damage from area attacks, which are '''everywhere''' in Saga Edition, and don't get any bonuses to autofire themselves, even though autofire is an expendable foe's best chance of hurting a PC that outclasses them. Also they can't walk through narrow spaces even though they're still just a bunch of medium creatures who should be able to walk in sequence. Interestingly the template doesn't restrict what it can be used on, so you can technically apply it to spacecraft and vehicles... where it actually works quite well since autofire is rarer in space and narrow obstacles are rarely extant.		[[Star Wars D20]] Saga Edition introduces Squads in ''The Clone Wars Campaign Guide'' as a +2 Challenge Level template. Unlike other examples, squads are a relatively small number of foes, generally 3/4, but share many similarities. Squads are bigger, harder to injure, have double the HP, get +4 to attack (as they are considered to be aiding another), make all attacks (except Attacks of Opportunity) as selective area effects and can't be grappled. On the weakness side they take extra damage from area attacks, which are '''everywhere''' in Saga Edition, and don't get any bonuses to autofire themselves, even though autofire is an expendable foe's best chance of hurting a PC that outclasses them. Also they can't walk through narrow spaces even though they're still just a bunch of medium creatures who should be able to walk in sequence. Interestingly the template doesn't restrict what it can be used on, so you can technically apply it to spacecraft and vehicles... where it actually works quite well since autofire is rarer in space and narrow obstacles are rarely extant.

	[[Pathfinder]] introduced troops. Unlike the rest, troops aren't a template but a type of creature. Troops don't quite work since ''all'' their attacks are automatic or (for ranged attacks) reflex save based, meaning AC is useless, and they don't really play nice with allies since they can't really be buffed. As of the end of the system's official support there were a mere dozen troops, most of which were only published [[Adventure Path]]s.		[[Pathfinder]] introduced troops. Unlike the rest, troops aren't a template but a type of creature. Troops don't quite work since ''all'' their attacks are automatic or (for ranged attacks) reflex save based, meaning AC is useless, and they don't really play nice with allies since they can't really be buffed. As of the end of the system's official support there were a mere dozen troops, most of which were only published in [[Adventure Path]]s.

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	In ''[[Dungeons & Dragons]]'' a '''swarm''' is a monster that's not a single individual, but a collection of much smaller creatures which are of (at best) animal level intelligence. A swarm may or may not fly, though ground-bound swarms exhibit excellent climbing ability, so high ground won't save you. Despite their large numbers, a swarm has a single statistic block, including one hit point total. Classic types of swarms are large masses of Rats, [[Spider]]s, [[Bees]], and Egyptian Scarab Beetles.		In ''[[Dungeons & Dragons]]'' a '''swarm''' is a monster that's not a single individual, but a collection of much smaller creatures which are of (at best) animal level intelligence. A swarm may or may not fly, though ground-bound swarms exhibit excellent climbing ability, so high ground won't save you. Despite their large numbers, a swarm has a single statistic block, including one hit point total. Classic types of swarms are large masses of [[Giant_Rat\|Rats]], [[Spider]]s, [[Bees]], and Egyptian Scarab Beetles.

	== Overview ==		== Overview ==

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	In ''[[Dungeons & Dragons]]'' a '''swarm''' is a monster that's not a single individual, but a collection of much smaller creatures which are of (at best) animal level intelligence. A swarm may or may not fly, though ground-bound swarms exhibit excellent climbing ability, so high ground won't save you. Despite their large numbers, a swarm has a single statistic block, including one hit point total. Classic types of swarms are large masses of ~~rats~~, ~~spiders~~, ~~bees~~, and Egyptian ~~scarab beetles~~.		In ''[[Dungeons & Dragons]]'' a '''swarm''' is a monster that's not a single individual, but a collection of much smaller creatures which are of (at best) animal level intelligence. A swarm may or may not fly, though ground-bound swarms exhibit excellent climbing ability, so high ground won't save you. Despite their large numbers, a swarm has a single statistic block, including one hit point total. Classic types of swarms are large masses of Rats, [[Spider]]s, [[Bees]], and Egyptian Scarab Beetles.

	== Overview ==		== Overview ==