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	Sadly, Sword & Sorcery has long fallen out of fashion. Partly it's to do with changing cultural mores; the mystical orientals and savage black-skinned cannibals that so frequently appeared in Sword & Sorcery tales of old are now [[/pol/\|a huge no-no]]. Mind you, this was actually happening even back in S&S's heyday; the genre never really was able to shake off the shame of being associated with the ''[[Gor (~~Jon~~ Norman)\|Gor]]'' novels, a sprawling literary work that took what could have been a pretty interesting Sword & Sorcery meets Space Opera setting and quickly ran it into the ground because the author was more concerned with sharing his Maledom S&M wankfuel/political manifesto hybrid with the world.		Sadly, Sword & Sorcery has long fallen out of fashion. Partly it's to do with changing cultural mores; the mystical orientals and savage black-skinned cannibals that so frequently appeared in Sword & Sorcery tales of old are now [[/pol/\|a huge no-no]]. Mind you, this was actually happening even back in S&S's heyday; the genre never really was able to shake off the shame of being associated with the ''[[Gor (John Norman)\|Gor]]'' novels, a sprawling literary work that took what could have been a pretty interesting Sword & Sorcery meets Space Opera setting and quickly ran it into the ground because the author was more concerned with sharing his Maledom S&M wankfuel/political manifesto hybrid with the world.

	More importantly, Sword & Sorcery became synonymous in the 70s and 80s with cheap, cheesily written, low-grade, derivative fantasy; if it was advertised as "Sword & Sorcery", usually it'd be a schlockfest. Although fans strive to revive it, Sword & Sorcery has become heavily stigmatized, especially amongst the arrogant and pretentious lot that are fantasy literature critics.		More importantly, Sword & Sorcery became synonymous in the 70s and 80s with cheap, cheesily written, low-grade, derivative fantasy; if it was advertised as "Sword & Sorcery", usually it'd be a schlockfest. Although fans strive to revive it, Sword & Sorcery has become heavily stigmatized, especially amongst the arrogant and pretentious lot that are fantasy literature critics.

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	Sadly, Sword & Sorcery has long fallen out of fashion. Partly it's to do with changing cultural mores; the mystical orientals and savage black-skinned cannibals that so frequently appeared in Sword & Sorcery tales of old are now [[/pol/\|a huge no-no]]. Mind you, this was actually happening even back in S&S's heyday; the genre never really was able to shake off the shame of being associated with the ''Gor'' novels, a sprawling literary work that took what could have been a pretty interesting Sword & Sorcery meets Space Opera setting and quickly ran it into the ground because the author was more concerned with sharing his Maledom S&M wankfuel/political manifesto hybrid with the world.		Sadly, Sword & Sorcery has long fallen out of fashion. Partly it's to do with changing cultural mores; the mystical orientals and savage black-skinned cannibals that so frequently appeared in Sword & Sorcery tales of old are now [[/pol/\|a huge no-no]]. Mind you, this was actually happening even back in S&S's heyday; the genre never really was able to shake off the shame of being associated with the ''[[Gor (Jon Norman)\|Gor]]'' novels, a sprawling literary work that took what could have been a pretty interesting Sword & Sorcery meets Space Opera setting and quickly ran it into the ground because the author was more concerned with sharing his Maledom S&M wankfuel/political manifesto hybrid with the world.

	More importantly, Sword & Sorcery became synonymous in the 70s and 80s with cheap, cheesily written, low-grade, derivative fantasy; if it was advertised as "Sword & Sorcery", usually it'd be a schlockfest. Although fans strive to revive it, Sword & Sorcery has become heavily stigmatized, especially amongst the arrogant and pretentious lot that are fantasy literature critics.		More importantly, Sword & Sorcery became synonymous in the 70s and 80s with cheap, cheesily written, low-grade, derivative fantasy; if it was advertised as "Sword & Sorcery", usually it'd be a schlockfest. Although fans strive to revive it, Sword & Sorcery has become heavily stigmatized, especially amongst the arrogant and pretentious lot that are fantasy literature critics.

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	===80s S&S vs. Classic S&S===		===80s S&S vs. Classic S&S===
	During the 70s and 80s, and to an extent even the 90s, [[/co/]] media generated a number of series that resemble Sword & Sorcery in many ways, but diverted from them in very clear ways. As noted above, S&S is often thought of as a [[Low Fantasy]] subgenre, with only [[human]] protagonists and magic being restricted to long-winded, esoteric rituals mostly aimed around [[Conjurer\|summoning beings from other planets and dimensions]], assuming it even works at all as opposed to being largely smoke, mirrors, psychology and trickery. But these shows and series presented a new kind of S&S; one that mixed in elements of [[High Fantasy]] without fundamentally losing their S&S feel - wizards were introduced with strong magical powers, even protagonists might use magic, and non-human protagonists were also featured.		During the 70s and 80s, and to an extent even the 90s, [[/co/]] media generated a number of series that resemble Sword & Sorcery in many ways, but diverted from them in very clear ways. As noted above, S&S is often thought of as a [[Low Fantasy]] subgenre, with only [[human]] protagonists and magic being restricted to long-winded, esoteric rituals mostly aimed around [[Conjurer\|summoning beings from other planets and dimensions]], assuming it even works at all as opposed to being largely smoke, mirrors, psychology and trickery. But these shows and series presented a new kind of S&S; one that mixed in elements of [[High Fantasy]] without fundamentally losing their S&S feel - wizards were introduced with strong magical powers, even protagonists might use magic (usually not the main protagonist, but at least one sidekick or ally was frequently a wizard or mage of some sort), and non-human protagonists were also featured.

	There are arguments that "80s Sword & Sorcery" isn't actually S&S at all, but its own new genre, but nobody has yet come up with a satisfactory name for them.		There are arguments that "80s Sword & Sorcery" isn't actually S&S at all, but its own new genre, but nobody has yet come up with a satisfactory name for them.

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	==Sword & Planet==		==Sword & Planet==
	A sub-genre of Sword & Sorcery, '''Sword & Planet''' is essentially what happens if you blend [[Science Fantasy]] and [[Sword & Sorcery]] together, it has also ~~begin~~ called '''Planetary Romance'''. The basic principles of S&S or [[Heroic Fantasy]] remain intact, but the setting is on an alien world, usually revolving around a human protagonist mysteriously transported to this strange place. The emphasis is on the fantastical; the alien races may not resemble the standard [[demihuman]]s, but fantasy trappings such as the use of swords to fight or [[Fantasy Armor]] for decoration remain prominent. Any alien technology is strictly to make the world feel more otherworldly or serve the needs of the plot.		A sub-genre of Sword & Sorcery, '''Sword & Planet''' is essentially what happens if you blend [[Science Fantasy]] and [[Sword & Sorcery]] together, it has also sometimes called '''Planetary Romance'''. The basic principles of S&S or [[Heroic Fantasy]] remain intact, but the setting is on an alien world, usually revolving around a human protagonist mysteriously transported to this strange place. The emphasis is on the fantastical; the alien races may not resemble the standard [[demihuman]]s, but fantasy trappings such as the use of swords to fight or [[Fantasy Armor]] for decoration remain prominent. Any alien technology is strictly to make the world feel more otherworldly or serve the needs of the plot.

	[[Edgar Rice Burroughs]] kicked off this genre with his "[[John Carter of Mars]]" stories, but perhaps the most recognizable example today is the many stories of [[Flash Gordon]].		[[Edgar Rice Burroughs]] kicked off this genre with his "[[John Carter of Mars]]" stories, but perhaps the most recognizable example today is the many stories of [[Flash Gordon]].

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	==Sword & Planet==		==Sword & Planet==
	A sub-genre of Sword & Sorcery, '''Sword & Planet''' is essentially what happens if you blend [[Science Fantasy]] and [[Sword & Sorcery]] together. The basic principles of S&S or [[Heroic Fantasy]] remain intact, but the setting is on an alien world, usually revolving around a human protagonist mysteriously transported to this strange place. The emphasis is on the fantastical; the alien races may not resemble the standard [[demihuman]]s, but fantasy trappings such as the use of swords to fight or [[Fantasy Armor]] for decoration remain prominent. Any alien technology is strictly to make the world feel more otherworldly or serve the needs of the plot.		A sub-genre of Sword & Sorcery, '''Sword & Planet''' is essentially what happens if you blend [[Science Fantasy]] and [[Sword & Sorcery]] together, it has also begin called '''Planetary Romance'''. The basic principles of S&S or [[Heroic Fantasy]] remain intact, but the setting is on an alien world, usually revolving around a human protagonist mysteriously transported to this strange place. The emphasis is on the fantastical; the alien races may not resemble the standard [[demihuman]]s, but fantasy trappings such as the use of swords to fight or [[Fantasy Armor]] for decoration remain prominent. Any alien technology is strictly to make the world feel more otherworldly or serve the needs of the plot.

	[[Edgar Rice Burroughs]] kicked off this genre with his "[[John Carter of Mars]]" stories, but perhaps the most recognizable example today is the many stories of [[Flash Gordon]].		[[Edgar Rice Burroughs]] kicked off this genre with his "[[John Carter of Mars]]" stories, but perhaps the most recognizable example today is the many stories of [[Flash Gordon]].

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	Sadly, Sword & Sorcery has long fallen out of fashion. Partly it's to do with changing cultural mores; the mystical orientals and savage black-skinned cannibals that so frequently appeared in Sword & Sorcery tales of old are now [[/pol/\|a huge no-no]]. More importantly, Sword & Sorcery became synonymous in the 70s and 80s with cheap, cheesily written, low-grade, derivative fantasy; if it was advertised as "Sword & Sorcery", usually it'd be a schlockfest. Although fans strive to revive it, Sword & Sorcery has become heavily stigmatized, especially amongst the arrogant and pretentious lot that are fantasy literature critics.		Sadly, Sword & Sorcery has long fallen out of fashion. Partly it's to do with changing cultural mores; the mystical orientals and savage black-skinned cannibals that so frequently appeared in Sword & Sorcery tales of old are now [[/pol/\|a huge no-no]]. Mind you, this was actually happening even back in S&S's heyday; the genre never really was able to shake off the shame of being associated with the ''Gor'' novels, a sprawling literary work that took what could have been a pretty interesting Sword & Sorcery meets Space Opera setting and quickly ran it into the ground because the author was more concerned with sharing his Maledom S&M wankfuel/political manifesto hybrid with the world.

			More importantly, Sword & Sorcery became synonymous in the 70s and 80s with cheap, cheesily written, low-grade, derivative fantasy; if it was advertised as "Sword & Sorcery", usually it'd be a schlockfest. Although fans strive to revive it, Sword & Sorcery has become heavily stigmatized, especially amongst the arrogant and pretentious lot that are fantasy literature critics.

	==Sword & Planet==		==Sword & Planet==

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What is it?

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	Sword & Sorcery is a hard genre to define for many; it overlaps heavily with, if is not the same as, [[Heroic Fantasy]] - focusing intimately on a singular protagonist or a small group of protagonists, and concerning itself with personal issues, rather than the grand, sweeping, world-shaking threats of [[High Fantasy]]. Sword & Sorcery is larger-than life and action-focused, and usually characterized by the antiheroic nature of its protagonists - they are almost always motivated by matters of self-interest. Many S&S protagonists are [[murderhobo\|aimless wanderers of life, drifting from battle to battle driven by little more than whim and chance]].		Sword & Sorcery is a hard genre to define for many; it overlaps heavily with, if is not the same as, [[Heroic Fantasy]] - focusing intimately on a singular protagonist or a small group of protagonists, and concerning itself with personal issues, rather than the grand, sweeping, world-shaking threats of [[High Fantasy]]. Sword & Sorcery is larger-than life and action-focused, and usually characterized by the antiheroic nature of its protagonists - they are almost always motivated by matters of self-interest. Many S&S protagonists are [[murderhobo\|aimless wanderers of life, drifting from battle to battle driven by little more than whim and chance]].

	Some have defined Sword & Sorcery as a mixture of fantasy, horror and mythology with historical romance, action and swordplay; the most famous of the S&S worlds ever published, [[Hyperborea]] and [[Zothique]], are a lost primeval Earth and a far-flung future Earth respectively.		Some (Wikipedia) have defined Sword & Sorcery as a mixture of fantasy, horror and mythology with historical romance, action and swordplay; the most famous of the S&S worlds ever published, [[Hyperborea]] and [[Zothique]], are a lost primeval Earth and a far-flung future Earth respectively.

	Likewise, some argue that a "true" S&S setting is distinctly low magic; the iconic vision of a Sword & Sorcery protagonist is a driven, grim, hard-bitten warrior who stands against [[fiend]]s, [[aberration]]s, [[dinosaur]]s and evil [[mage]]s armed with nothing more than grit and a trusty sword. Others argue that this isn't so; [[Zothique]] featured magic or even spell-wielding protagonists fairly extensively. Fritz Leiber's protagonist "The Gray Mouser" had originally trained as a wizard before becoming a sell-sword. And [[Elric]] was a demonblade-wielding [[warlock]] from a highly magical world.		Likewise, some argue that a "true" S&S setting is distinctly low magic; the iconic vision of a Sword & Sorcery protagonist is a driven, grim, hard-bitten warrior who stands against [[fiend]]s, [[aberration]]s, [[dinosaur]]s and evil [[mage]]s armed with nothing more than grit and a trusty sword. Others argue that this isn't so; [[Zothique]] featured magic or even spell-wielding protagonists fairly extensively. Fritz Leiber's protagonist "The Gray Mouser" had originally trained as a wizard before becoming a sell-sword. And [[Elric]] was a demonblade-wielding [[warlock]] from a highly magical world.

	Sword & Sorcery tends to shamelessly incorporate pulp-era science fiction into its ostensibly fantastical world; [[Frazetta Man]] was born in this kind of setting, tentacled monsters out of the Cthulhu Mythos make frequent appearances (although rarely to the bleak outcomes Lovecraft envisioned), and [[dinosaur]]s often stand in for [[dragon]]s.		Sword & Sorcery tends to shamelessly incorporate pulp-era science fiction into its ostensibly fantastical world; [[Frazetta Man]] was born in this kind of setting, tentacled monsters out of the Cthulhu Mythos make frequent appearances (although rarely to the bleak outcomes Lovecraft envisioned), and [[dinosaur]]s often stand in for [[dragon]]s.

			===80s S&S vs. Classic S&S===
			During the 70s and 80s, and to an extent even the 90s, [[/co/]] media generated a number of series that resemble Sword & Sorcery in many ways, but diverted from them in very clear ways. As noted above, S&S is often thought of as a [[Low Fantasy]] subgenre, with only [[human]] protagonists and magic being restricted to long-winded, esoteric rituals mostly aimed around [[Conjurer\|summoning beings from other planets and dimensions]], assuming it even works at all as opposed to being largely smoke, mirrors, psychology and trickery. But these shows and series presented a new kind of S&S; one that mixed in elements of [[High Fantasy]] without fundamentally losing their S&S feel - wizards were introduced with strong magical powers, even protagonists might use magic, and non-human protagonists were also featured.

			There are arguments that "80s Sword & Sorcery" isn't actually S&S at all, but its own new genre, but nobody has yet come up with a satisfactory name for them.

			Examples of 80s S&S include:
			* [[Masters of the Universe]]
			* Thundercats
			* Galtar and the Golden Lance
			* Thundarr the Barbarian
			* [[Conan the Adventurer]] (a rare 90s example)

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	* [[Astonishing Swordsmen & Sorcerers of Hyperborea]] is an [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons\|AD&D 1e]] [[Retroclone]] that aims at replicating this aesthetic.		* [[Astonishing Swordsmen & Sorcerers of Hyperborea]] is an [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons\|AD&D 1e]] [[Retroclone]] that aims at replicating this aesthetic.
	* [[Conan the Barbarian]] has had multiple tabletop games based on his world of [[Hyperborea]], including one using AD&D rules and one using D&D 3e rules.		* [[Conan the Barbarian]] has had multiple tabletop games based on his world of [[Hyperborea]], including one using AD&D rules and one using D&D 3e rules.
	* [[Greyhawk]] is effectively a Sword & Sorcery setting with a Medieval Europe backdrop, instead of the more Iron Age backdrop.		* [[Greyhawk]] is effectively a Sword & Sorcery setting with a Medieval Europe backdrop, instead of the more iconic Iron Age backdrop.
	* [[Wilderlands of High Fantasy]] is a venerable 3rd party campaign setting for Original [[Dungeons & Dragons]], a contemporary of Greyhawk, except with more Iron Age and dinosaurs and hawkmen.		* [[Wilderlands of High Fantasy]] is a venerable 3rd party campaign setting for Original [[Dungeons & Dragons]], a contemporary of Greyhawk, except with more Iron Age and dinosaurs and hawkmen.
	* [[Dark Sun]] is a Sword & Sorcery setting with traces of Sword & Planet, drawing equal parts inspiration from Conan and from John Carter.		* [[Dark Sun]] is a Sword & Sorcery setting with traces of Sword & Planet, drawing equal parts inspiration from Conan and from John Carter.
	* [[Primeval Thule]] is a 3rd party campaign setting for [[Dungeons & Dragons 5th Edition]] which takes place on Hyperborea between the ages of [[Kull]] and Conan.		* [[Primeval Thule]] is a 3rd party campaign setting for [[Dungeons & Dragons 5th Edition]] which takes place on Hyperborea between the ages of [[Kull]] and Conan. Despite that, it includes some more iconic D&Disms like the presence of [[demihuman]]s and spellcasting classes.
			* [[Vast Kaviya]] is another 3rd party campaign setting for [[Dungeons & Dragons 5th Edition]] deliberately constructed with this aesthetic.

	[[Category: Setting Aesthetics]]		[[Category: Setting Aesthetics]]