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1d4chan>Phantom in the Distant Seas: Who ever wrote that jab at Monks needs to read their 3.5 entry

2020-06-21T08:30:28Z

Who ever wrote that jab at Monks needs to read their 3.5 entry

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	In 3.5 they were considered generalists like [[Binder\|Binders]]; instead of having a class wide gimmick, they rely on their maneuvers to be useful. They have good Reflex and Will saves, light armour proficiency, and 6 skill points per level. Speaking of maneuvers, the Swordsage gets more maneuvers, stances, and disciplines than the [[Crusader]] or [[Warblade]], with them more or less getting 3 disciplines to themselves, all supernatural: Setting Sun (focuses on throws and counters), Shadow Hand (lets them be better than the [[Rogue]] in every way, just by entering a single stance) and Desert Wind (FIRE). They get Discipline Focus as they level up, which lets them add their Wisdom modifier to damage while using a Strike from that discipline, or a +2 to AC while in a stance from that discipline. They also gain the Weapon Focus feat for free, a bonus to initiative, the ability to take no damage on a successful Reflex save, eventually getting the ability to halve damage on a failed Reflex save, the ability to look at a magic weapon or armour and deduce its properties, and finally, the ability to activate 2 boosts at the same time.		In 3.5 they were considered generalists like [[Binder\|Binders]]; instead of having a class wide gimmick, they rely on their maneuvers to be useful. They have good Reflex and Will saves, light armour proficiency, and 6 skill points per level. Speaking of maneuvers, the Swordsage gets more maneuvers, stances, and disciplines than the [[Crusader]] or [[Warblade]], with them more or less getting 3 disciplines to themselves, all supernatural: Setting Sun (focuses on throws and counters), Shadow Hand (lets them be better than the [[Rogue]] in every way, just by entering a single stance) and Desert Wind (FIRE). They get Discipline Focus as they level up, which lets them add their Wisdom modifier to damage while using a Strike from that discipline, or a +2 to AC while in a stance from that discipline. They also gain the Weapon Focus feat for free, a bonus to initiative, the ability to take no damage on a successful Reflex save, eventually getting the ability to halve damage on a failed Reflex save, the ability to look at a magic weapon or armour and deduce its properties, and finally, the ability to activate 2 boosts at the same time.

	Swordsage has two variants suggested in their home book. Unarmed Swordsage loses light armor in exchange for the Monk's unarmed strike progression. This variant is pretty accepted, and became a bit of a meme in the 3E fandom for being a better monk than monk, albeit still needing some common-sense fixes like Improved Unarmed Strike as a bonus feat and the Wisdom bonus to AC working unarmoured ~~(at least you're actually proficient with unarmed strikes, [[FAIL\|unlike the Monk]])~~. Arcane Swordsage is a vague idea of allowing spells in place of maneuvers, which is just broken.		Swordsage has two variants suggested in their home book. Unarmed Swordsage loses light armor in exchange for the Monk's unarmed strike progression. This variant is pretty accepted, and became a bit of a meme in the 3E fandom for being a better monk than monk, albeit still needing some common-sense fixes like Improved Unarmed Strike as a bonus feat and the Wisdom bonus to AC working unarmoured. Arcane Swordsage is a vague idea of allowing spells in place of maneuvers, which is just broken.

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1d4chan>Orysians: some basic grammar fixes that were bothering me, and an addendum about unarmed swordsage

2020-06-07T10:44:38Z

some basic grammar fixes that were bothering me, and an addendum about unarmed swordsage

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	Okay in actuality they rely on "maneuvers" (read: Martial Magic, hence weaboo status) that they prepare, each with a different effect. Of the three base class initiators, Swordsage has the most disiciplines with explicitly supernatural effects allowing them to [[Ghost\|walk through walls,]] [[Fist of the North Star\|rip people in half,]] and even straight up teleport.		Okay in actuality they rely on "maneuvers" (read: Martial Magic, hence weaboo status) that they prepare, each with a different effect. Of the three base class initiators, Swordsage has the most disiciplines with explicitly supernatural effects allowing them to [[Ghost\|walk through walls,]] [[Fist of the North Star\|rip people in half,]] and even straight up teleport.

	In 3.5 they were considered generalists like [[Binder\|Binders]] instead of having a class wide gimmick they ~~relied~~ on their maneuvers to be useful~~, they had~~ good Reflex and Will saves, light armour and 6 skill points per level. Speaking of maneuvers, the Swordsage gets more maneuvers stances and disciplines ~~then~~ the [[Crusader]] or [[Warblade]], with them more or less getting 3 disciplines to themselves, all supernatural, Setting Sun (focuses on throws and counters), Shadow Hand (lets them be better ~~then~~ the [[Rogue]] in every way, just by entering a single stance) and Desert Wind (FIRE). They get Discipline Focus as they level up, which lets them add their Wisdom modifier to damage while using a Strike from that discipline or a +2 to AC while in a stance from that discipline~~, they~~ also gain the ~~weapon focus~~ feat for free, a bonus to initiative, the ability to take no damage on a successful ~~reflex~~ save, eventually getting the ability to ~~half~~ damage on a failed Reflex save, the ability to look at a magic weapon or armour and deduce ~~it's~~ properties and finally the ability to activate 2 boosts at the same time		In 3.5 they were considered generalists like [[Binder\|Binders]]; instead of having a class wide gimmick, they rely on their maneuvers to be useful. They have good Reflex and Will saves, light armour proficiency, and 6 skill points per level. Speaking of maneuvers, the Swordsage gets more maneuvers, stances, and disciplines than the [[Crusader]] or [[Warblade]], with them more or less getting 3 disciplines to themselves, all supernatural: Setting Sun (focuses on throws and counters), Shadow Hand (lets them be better than the [[Rogue]] in every way, just by entering a single stance) and Desert Wind (FIRE). They get Discipline Focus as they level up, which lets them add their Wisdom modifier to damage while using a Strike from that discipline, or a +2 to AC while in a stance from that discipline. They also gain the Weapon Focus feat for free, a bonus to initiative, the ability to take no damage on a successful Reflex save, eventually getting the ability to halve damage on a failed Reflex save, the ability to look at a magic weapon or armour and deduce its properties, and finally, the ability to activate 2 boosts at the same time.

	Swordsage has two variants suggested in their home book. Unarmed Swordsage loses light armor for the Monk's unarmed strike. This variant is pretty accepted, and became a bit of a meme in the 3E fandom for being a better monk than monk. Arcane Swordsage is a vague idea of allowing spells in place of maneuvers, which is just broken.		Swordsage has two variants suggested in their home book. Unarmed Swordsage loses light armor in exchange for the Monk's unarmed strike progression. This variant is pretty accepted, and became a bit of a meme in the 3E fandom for being a better monk than monk, albeit still needing some common-sense fixes like Improved Unarmed Strike as a bonus feat and the Wisdom bonus to AC working unarmoured (at least you're actually proficient with unarmed strikes, [[FAIL\|unlike the Monk]]). Arcane Swordsage is a vague idea of allowing spells in place of maneuvers, which is just broken.

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1d4chan>Agiletek at 01:35, 11 April 2020

2020-04-11T01:35:37Z

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	[[Weeaboo Fightan Magic\|Weeaboo Fightan monks]]. They have magic martial arts and swords, and are the biggest [[weeaboo]]s of all, not to be confused with SWORDMAGE, which is a fighter with a magic sword who totally isn't weeaboo because he's in the Forgotten Realms book rather than the [[Weeaboo Fightan Magic\|Book Which Won't Be Named]]		[[Weeaboo Fightan Magic\|Weeaboo Fightan monks]]. They have magic martial arts and swords, and are the biggest [[weeaboo]]s of all, not to be confused with SWORDMAGE, which is a fighter with a magic sword who totally isn't weeaboo because he's in the Forgotten Realms book rather than the [[Weeaboo Fightan Magic\|Book Which Won't Be Named]]

	Okay in actuality they rely on "maneuvers" (read: Martial Magic, hence weaboo status) that they prepare, each with a different effect~~,[[Vancian\|not unlike another character~~ class, ~~but instead of preparing spells you take a five minute stretch,]] a stretch that somehow allows you~~ to [[Ghost\|walk through walls,]] [[Fist of the North Star\|~~Rip~~ people in half,]] ~~[[What\|~~and even straight up teleport]].		Okay in actuality they rely on "maneuvers" (read: Martial Magic, hence weaboo status) that they prepare, each with a different effect. Of the three base class initiators, Swordsage has the most disiciplines with explicitly supernatural effects allowing them to [[Ghost\|walk through walls,]] [[Fist of the North Star\|rip people in half,]] and even straight up teleport.

	In 3.5 they were considered generalists like [[Binder\|Binders]] instead of having a class wide gimmick they relied on their maneuvers to be useful, they had good Reflex and Will saves, light armour and 6 skill points per level~~, speaking~~ of maneuvers, the Swordsage gets more maneuvers stances and disciplines then the [[Crusader]] or [[Warblade]], with them more or less getting 3 disciplines to ~~them selves~~, Setting Sun (focuses on throws and counters), Shadow Hand (lets them be better then the [[Rogue]] in every way, just by entering a single stance) and Desert Wind (FIRE). They get Discipline Focus as they level up, which lets them add their Wisdom modifier to damage while using a Strike from that discipline or a +2 to AC while in a stance from that discipline, they also gain the weapon focus feat for free, a bonus to initiative, the ability to take no damage on a successful reflex save, eventually getting the ability to half damage on a failed Reflex save, the ability to look at a magic weapon or armour and deduce it's properties and finally the ability to activate 2 boosts at the same time		In 3.5 they were considered generalists like [[Binder\|Binders]] instead of having a class wide gimmick they relied on their maneuvers to be useful, they had good Reflex and Will saves, light armour and 6 skill points per level. Speaking of maneuvers, the Swordsage gets more maneuvers stances and disciplines then the [[Crusader]] or [[Warblade]], with them more or less getting 3 disciplines to themselves, all supernatural, Setting Sun (focuses on throws and counters), Shadow Hand (lets them be better then the [[Rogue]] in every way, just by entering a single stance) and Desert Wind (FIRE). They get Discipline Focus as they level up, which lets them add their Wisdom modifier to damage while using a Strike from that discipline or a +2 to AC while in a stance from that discipline, they also gain the weapon focus feat for free, a bonus to initiative, the ability to take no damage on a successful reflex save, eventually getting the ability to half damage on a failed Reflex save, the ability to look at a magic weapon or armour and deduce it's properties and finally the ability to activate 2 boosts at the same time

			Swordsage has two variants suggested in their home book. Unarmed Swordsage loses light armor for the Monk's unarmed strike. This variant is pretty accepted, and became a bit of a meme in the 3E fandom for being a better monk than monk. Arcane Swordsage is a vague idea of allowing spells in place of maneuvers, which is just broken.

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1d4chan>Phantom in the Distant Seas at 01:23, 11 April 2020

2020-04-11T01:23:34Z

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	Okay in actuality they rely on "maneuvers" (read: Martial Magic, hence weaboo status) that they prepare, each with a different effect,[[Vancian\|not unlike another character class, but instead of preparing spells you take a five minute stretch,]] a stretch that somehow allows you to [[Ghost\|walk through walls,]] [[Fist of the North Star\|Rip people in half,]] [[What\|and even straight up teleport]].		Okay in actuality they rely on "maneuvers" (read: Martial Magic, hence weaboo status) that they prepare, each with a different effect,[[Vancian\|not unlike another character class, but instead of preparing spells you take a five minute stretch,]] a stretch that somehow allows you to [[Ghost\|walk through walls,]] [[Fist of the North Star\|Rip people in half,]] [[What\|and even straight up teleport]].

	In 3.5 they were considered generalists like [[Binder\|Binders]] instead of having a class wide gimmick they relied on their maneuvers to be useful, they had good Reflex and Will saves, light armour and 6 skill points per level, speaking of maneuvers, the Swordsage gets more maneuvers stances and disciplines then the [[Crusader]] or [[Warblade]], with them more or less getting 3 disciplines to them selves, Setting Sun (focuses on throws and counters), Shadow Hand (lets them be better then the [[~~Rougue~~]] in every way, just by entering a single stance) and Desert Wind (FIRE). They get Discipline Focus as they level up, which lets them add their Wisdom modifier to damage while using a Strike from that discipline or a +2 to AC while in a stance from that discipline, they also gain the weapon focus feat for free, a bonus to initiative, the ability to take no damage on a successful reflex save, eventually getting the ability to half damage on a failed Reflex save, the ability to look at a magic weapon or armour and deduce it's properties and finally the ability to activate 2 boosts at the same time		In 3.5 they were considered generalists like [[Binder\|Binders]] instead of having a class wide gimmick they relied on their maneuvers to be useful, they had good Reflex and Will saves, light armour and 6 skill points per level, speaking of maneuvers, the Swordsage gets more maneuvers stances and disciplines then the [[Crusader]] or [[Warblade]], with them more or less getting 3 disciplines to them selves, Setting Sun (focuses on throws and counters), Shadow Hand (lets them be better then the [[Rogue]] in every way, just by entering a single stance) and Desert Wind (FIRE). They get Discipline Focus as they level up, which lets them add their Wisdom modifier to damage while using a Strike from that discipline or a +2 to AC while in a stance from that discipline, they also gain the weapon focus feat for free, a bonus to initiative, the ability to take no damage on a successful reflex save, eventually getting the ability to half damage on a failed Reflex save, the ability to look at a magic weapon or armour and deduce it's properties and finally the ability to activate 2 boosts at the same time

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1d4chan>Phantom in the Distant Seas at 01:22, 11 April 2020

2020-04-11T01:22:46Z

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	Okay in actuality they rely on "maneuvers" (read: Martial Magic, hence weaboo status) that they prepare, each with a different effect,[[Vancian\|not unlike another character class, but instead of preparing spells you take a five minute stretch,]] a stretch that somehow allows you to [[Ghost\|walk through walls,]] [[Fist of the North Star\|Rip people in half,]] [[What\|and even straight up teleport]].		Okay in actuality they rely on "maneuvers" (read: Martial Magic, hence weaboo status) that they prepare, each with a different effect,[[Vancian\|not unlike another character class, but instead of preparing spells you take a five minute stretch,]] a stretch that somehow allows you to [[Ghost\|walk through walls,]] [[Fist of the North Star\|Rip people in half,]] [[What\|and even straight up teleport]].

	In 3.5 they were considered generalists like [[Binders]] instead of having a class wide gimmick they relied on their maneuvers to be useful, they had good Reflex and Will saves, light armour and 6 skill points per level, speaking of maneuvers, the Swordsage gets more maneuvers stances and disciplines then the [[Crusader]] or [[Warblade]], with them more or less getting 3 disciplines to them selves, Setting Sun (focuses on throws and counters), Shadow Hand (lets them be better then the [[Rougue]] in every way, just by entering a single stance) and Desert Wind (FIRE). They get Discipline Focus as they level up, which lets them add their Wisdom modifier to damage while using a Strike from that discipline or a +2 to AC while in a stance from that discipline, they also gain the weapon focus feat for free, a bonus to initiative, the ability to take no damage on a successful reflex save, eventually getting the ability to half damage on a failed Reflex save, the ability to look at a magic weapon or armour and deduce it's properties and finally the ability to activate 2 boosts at the same time		In 3.5 they were considered generalists like [[Binder\|Binders]] instead of having a class wide gimmick they relied on their maneuvers to be useful, they had good Reflex and Will saves, light armour and 6 skill points per level, speaking of maneuvers, the Swordsage gets more maneuvers stances and disciplines then the [[Crusader]] or [[Warblade]], with them more or less getting 3 disciplines to them selves, Setting Sun (focuses on throws and counters), Shadow Hand (lets them be better then the [[Rougue]] in every way, just by entering a single stance) and Desert Wind (FIRE). They get Discipline Focus as they level up, which lets them add their Wisdom modifier to damage while using a Strike from that discipline or a +2 to AC while in a stance from that discipline, they also gain the weapon focus feat for free, a bonus to initiative, the ability to take no damage on a successful reflex save, eventually getting the ability to half damage on a failed Reflex save, the ability to look at a magic weapon or armour and deduce it's properties and finally the ability to activate 2 boosts at the same time

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1d4chan>Phantom in the Distant Seas: I actually made a proper page for them

2020-04-11T01:21:40Z

I actually made a proper page for them

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	~~{{stub}}~~		[[Weeaboo Fightan Magic\|Weeaboo Fightan monks]]. They have magic martial arts and swords, and are the biggest [[weeaboo]]s of all, not to be confused with SWORDMAGE, which is a fighter with a magic sword who totally isn't weeaboo because he's in the Forgotten Realms book rather than the [[Weeaboo Fightan Magic\|Book Which Won't Be Named]]
	[[Weeaboo Fightan Magic\|Weeaboo Fightan monks]]. They have magic martial arts and swords, and are the biggest [[weeaboo]]s of the ~~lot.~~

	~~...No~~, ~~really. That's all~~ you ~~need~~ to ~~know~~.		Okay in actuality they rely on "maneuvers" (read: Martial Magic, hence weaboo status) that they prepare, each with a different effect,[[Vancian\|not unlike another character class, but instead of preparing spells you take a five minute stretch,]] a stretch that somehow allows you to [[Ghost\|walk through walls,]] [[Fist of the North Star\|Rip people in half,]] [[What\|and even straight up teleport]].

	~~(not to be confused with SWORDMAGE, which is a fighter with a magic sword who totally isn't weeaboo because he's in the Forgotten Realms book rather than the~~ [[~~Weeaboo Fightan Magic\|Book Which Won't Be Named~~]])		In 3.5 they were considered generalists like [[Binders]] instead of having a class wide gimmick they relied on their maneuvers to be useful, they had good Reflex and Will saves, light armour and 6 skill points per level, speaking of maneuvers, the Swordsage gets more maneuvers stances and disciplines then the [[Crusader]] or [[Warblade]], with them more or less getting 3 disciplines to them selves, Setting Sun (focuses on throws and counters), Shadow Hand (lets them be better then the [[Rougue]] in every way, just by entering a single stance) and Desert Wind (FIRE). They get Discipline Focus as they level up, which lets them add their Wisdom modifier to damage while using a Strike from that discipline or a +2 to AC while in a stance from that discipline, they also gain the weapon focus feat for free, a bonus to initiative, the ability to take no damage on a successful reflex save, eventually getting the ability to half damage on a failed Reflex save, the ability to look at a magic weapon or armour and deduce it's properties and finally the ability to activate 2 boosts at the same time

	~~Okay in actuality~~ they ~~rely~~ on "maneuvers~~" (read: Martial Magic~~, ~~hence weaboo status) that~~ they ~~prepare~~, ~~each with a different effect~~,~~[[Vancian\|not unlike another character class, but instead~~ of ~~preparing spells you take a five minute stretch~~,~~]] a stretch that somehow allows you to~~ [[~~Ghost\|walk through walls,~~]] [[~~Fist of the North Star\|Rip people in half,~~]] [[~~What\|and even straight up teleport~~]].
	They ~~were what happened if Wizards of~~ the ~~coast thought "Hey let~~'s ~~give Martial classes actual usable shit"~~

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1d4chan>Phantom in the Distant Seas: I added a section that explains them

2019-12-27T11:09:48Z

I added a section that explains them

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	(not to be confused with SWORDMAGE, which is a fighter with a magic sword who totally isn't weeaboo because he's in the Forgotten Realms book rather than the [[Weeaboo Fightan Magic\|Book Which Won't Be Named]])		(not to be confused with SWORDMAGE, which is a fighter with a magic sword who totally isn't weeaboo because he's in the Forgotten Realms book rather than the [[Weeaboo Fightan Magic\|Book Which Won't Be Named]])

			Okay in actuality they rely on "maneuvers" (read: Martial Magic, hence weaboo status) that they prepare, each with a different effect,[[Vancian\|not unlike another character class, but instead of preparing spells you take a five minute stretch,]] a stretch that somehow allows you to [[Ghost\|walk through walls,]] [[Fist of the North Star\|Rip people in half,]] [[What\|and even straight up teleport]].
			They were what happened if Wizards of the coast thought "Hey let's give Martial classes actual usable shit"

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1d4chan>Dark Angel 2020: Undo revision 345706 by 2601:644:4100:FD48:F95B:CEF5:E505:2BCA I realise this is the stubbiest of the D&D3E class pages, but no need to blank it

2016-06-04T19:58:14Z

Undo revision 345706 by 2601:644:4100:FD48:F95B:CEF5:E505:2BCA I realise this is the stubbiest of the D&D3E class pages, but no need to blank it

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		[[Weeaboo Fightan Magic\|Weeaboo Fightan monks]]. They have magic martial arts and swords, and are the biggest [[weeaboo]]s of the lot.

		...No, really. That's all you need to know.

		(not to be confused with SWORDMAGE, which is a fighter with a magic sword who totally isn't weeaboo because he's in the Forgotten Realms book rather than the [[Weeaboo Fightan Magic\|Book Which Won't Be Named]])

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