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1d4chan>Memebigboi: /* Czechoslovakia */

2023-05-29T00:27:35Z

Czechoslovakia

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	It may have the worst statline of the T-72 family with 5+ remount and courage, but who cares? With 15 frontal armor you rarely need to roll for them. What makes this unit possibly the strongest variant is 4+ skill combined with the low cost. You can run them in units of 3 to 10 tanks, and a minimum sized unit gives you a discount. Starting at 2 points per tank with a minimum sized unit and costing 3 points per additional tank. The Czech T-72M has the cheapest bang for your buck. Your individual units may be rather shit, but the discount for a minimum sized unit allows for a decent alpha strike using MSU (multiple small units) if you don't mind giving up the kill points. If one goes down, there's another to take its place and a brutal, AT21 gun is still a very dangerous weapon: scary against tanks at close, scarier against entrenched infantry (because of how many more tanks you can bring from the discount).		It may have the worst statline of the T-72 family with 5+ remount and courage, but who cares? With 15 frontal armor you rarely need to roll for them. What makes this unit possibly the strongest variant is 4+ skill combined with the low cost. You can run them in units of 3 to 10 tanks, and a minimum sized unit gives you a discount. Starting at 2 points per tank with a minimum sized unit and costing 3 points per additional tank. The Czech T-72M has the cheapest bang for your buck. Your individual units may be rather shit, but the discount for a minimum sized unit allows for a decent alpha strike using MSU (multiple small units) if you don't mind giving up the kill points. If one goes down, there's another to take its place and a brutal, AT21 gun is still a very dangerous weapon: scary against tanks at close, scarier against entrenched infantry (because of how many more tanks you can bring from the discount).

	Unlike your infantry, T-72Ms are squishy and are pretty unlikely to survive after being hit by ATGMs. The fact ~~that~~ they will instantly blow up when touched by dedicated anti-tank weapons like cannons or Milans. All T-72Ms suffer from this flaw, making the Czech version the best since stats like courage, morale and remount become less relevant: this unit dies too quickly to even test these stats. You are investing all your points into firepower: combined with the discount, you can bring the most tanks to the field without compromising on special rules (brutal) or firepower (T-55AM2).		Unlike your infantry, T-72Ms are squishy and are pretty unlikely to survive after being hit by ATGMs. The fact is they will instantly blow up when touched by dedicated anti-tank weapons like cannons or Milans. All T-72Ms suffer from this flaw, making the Czech version the best since stats like courage, morale and remount become less relevant: this unit dies too quickly to even test these stats. You are investing all your points into firepower: combined with the discount, you can bring the most tanks to the field without compromising on special rules (brutal) or firepower (T-55AM2).

	You start with companies of 3 tanks at 6 points, up to 10 T-72Ms for 27 points.		You start with companies of 3 tanks at 6 points, up to 10 T-72Ms for 27 points.

1d4chan>Piroko: /* Iraq and Syrian */

2021-03-03T22:50:41Z

Iraq and Syrian

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	[[File:IRAQT72M.jpg\|300px\|left\|thumb\|They don't wanna be here, ''and'' they don't know how to fight!]]		[[File:IRAQT72M.jpg\|300px\|left\|thumb\|They don't wanna be here, ''and'' they don't know how to fight!]]

	Oh, yes. Our timeline has already seen plenty of the <s>utter incompetence</s> mediocrity of Saddam Hussein's T-72M tanks. As was seen in the OTL's Gulf War and 2003 invasion of Iraq, the combination of poorly trained, led, and motivated men using obsolete and neglected equipment makes for a ''lot'' of death on one side. In ~~this alternate~~ 1985, however, the Iraqi military is more fortunate. The Americans and their well-armed allies in NATO are busy shooting at Soviet, Polish, East German and Czechoslovakian soldiers and thus in no position to bother with the brutal and authoritarian Hussein regime. However, what history shows us about the skill and motivation of Saddam's men holds true here- all the Iraqi crews get is 4's and 5's across the board. They do outrank their Czech counterparts in a few categories, however, and it doesn't much matter if your guys wanna bail and run for home if their tank is gonna explode the first time somebody scores a solid hit.		Oh, yes. Our timeline has already seen plenty of the <s>utter incompetence</s> mediocrity of Saddam Hussein's T-72M tanks. As was seen in the OTL's Gulf War and 2003 invasion of Iraq, the combination of poorly trained, led, and motivated men using obsolete and neglected equipment makes for a ''lot'' of death on one side. In 1985, however, the Iraqi military is more fortunate. The Americans and their well-armed allies in NATO are busy shooting at Soviet, Polish, East German and Czechoslovakian soldiers and thus in no position to bother with the brutal and authoritarian Hussein regime ''that Reagan is sorta-kinda supporting to fight the Iranians.''

			However, what history shows us about the skill and motivation of Saddam's men holds true here- all the Iraqi crews get is 4's and 5's across the board. They do outrank their Czech counterparts in a few categories, however, and it doesn't much matter if your guys wanna bail and run for home if their tank is gonna explode the first time somebody scores a solid hit.

	The T-72M in the game so far is the Iraqi Army version, as reflected by the crew's lousy stats. Saddam never trusted his own army and, whether he was deliberately imitating Adolf Hitler or not, mimicked the German dictator by creating the Republican Guard, a direct parallel to the Waffen-SS. The Republican Guard still had to use cheap Soviet hardware, but they got the best training and leadership the Iraqi regime could offer. We'll see whether or not the Republican Guard makes an appearance using the T-72M. If you want to custom-add them into the game, using the Polish or East German stats could work, reflecting the superior motivation and discipline of the Republican Guard.		The T-72M in the game so far is the Iraqi Army version, as reflected by the crew's lousy stats. Saddam never trusted his own army and, whether he was deliberately imitating Adolf Hitler or not, mimicked the German dictator by creating the Republican Guard, a direct parallel to the Waffen-SS. The Republican Guard still had to use cheap Soviet hardware, but they got the best training and leadership the Iraqi regime could offer. We'll see whether or not the Republican Guard makes an appearance using the T-72M. If you want to custom-add them into the game, using the Polish or East German stats could work, reflecting the superior motivation and discipline of the Republican Guard.

84.52.229.255: No such thing as a monkey model!

2020-10-29T10:54:25Z

No such thing as a monkey model!

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	==IRL==		==IRL==
	[[File:T-72M Photo.jpg\|right\|300px\|thumb\|Mine plough? Nein, panzer bayonet genosse!]]		[[File:T-72M Photo.jpg\|right\|300px\|thumb\|Mine plough? Nein, panzer bayonet genosse!]]
	~~A lot~~ of ~~what can be said about the [[~~T-~~72]] apply~~'s to the ~~M version as well. The~~ T-72M ~~was~~ the export ~~version of~~ the T-72 and ~~it was cheaper~~ to ~~produce and less effective then~~ the ~~normal~~ T-72. ~~It had thinner armor and downgraded weapons systems. Both these traits show up in~~ Team Yankee as ~~the T-72M has~~ 1 less front ~~armor~~ and anti tank on ~~their~~ main ~~guns then the actual T-72s used by the Soviet Army~~. ~~These~~ export ~~tanks are sometimes called "Monkey model" however~~, ~~keep in mind that we in the west get that title from a Soviet defector so take that name with a grain of salt~~. ~~The Soviets did this for two reasons. One:~~ the ~~further away~~ from ~~mother Russia a tank got,~~ the ~~more likely it was that the capitalist pigs would get there hands on one(which happened NTC operates several~~ T-~~72). Imagine if~~ a ~~tank like the T-72 got sold to Iraq, it would be far easier for the Americans to get there hands on one and reverse engineer it,~~ and ~~if they did they would get an idea of Soviet Equipment that was worse then what the top of the line stuff could do~~. It's ~~why they NEVER did sell or export any of the top of the line T-80~~'s ~~until~~ the ~~union fell apart. Second was of course cost, the Soviet Union is massive~~, ~~and they need to keep the good equipment for their soldiers.~~		The T-72 family of tanks has a bewildering number of subvariants, including no less than three models named "T-72M". In the west it's often believed that the T-72M is a "monkey model", a cheap and downgraded variant the Soviet Union exported while keeping all the good tanks for themselves. This isn't really the case, but it always took a few years for the most modern tanks to reach export to the Warsaw Pact, and a few more years to get exported outside Europe. In Team Yankee, the Soviet Union is running around with T-72As from 1983 while the Warsaw Pact and Iraq has to make do with copies of the T-72 Ural-1 from 1978 upgraded with T-72A internals. In Team Yankee this shows up as 1 less front armour and anti tank on the main gun. (The latter from extremely strict export restrictions on ammunition, which never let anyone have anything better than late 70s ammunition.) Iraqi T-72Ms actually were downgraded, but the only change from the WaPa T-72M is having a cheaper and simpler NBC protection system. It's not like anyone's going to use NBC weapons in the Middle East, right?

	The T-72M, like the Soviet T-72, features an automatic loading system, reducing the crew requirement to three. ~~Thin armor~~ and ~~absolutely~~ no internal protection whatsoever against ammunition explosions means that ~~those three men~~ will almost certainly be killed ~~when~~ a shot penetrates the armor of the main hull. This happened a ''lot'' to men of the Iraqi Army and Republican Guard during both the Gulf War and the 2003 invasion of Iraq. The soldiers of the Warsaw Pact were better-trained, better led, and ''far'' more motivated than the armored crews of Saddam Hussein's paper tiger, however, so as lethal as a T-72M could be to its own crew, it posed no small threat to its enemies to the West in the mid-1980s. Something else to remember: in 2003, the original T-72M was hopelessly obsolete. In 1985, it was in its prime and NATO soldiers had good reason to be afraid of it, especially if they weren't riding around in a 40-something-ton war machine. Anything lighter than another MBT would have gotten its clock righteously cleaned by the T-72M if they didn't manage to destroy it first.		The T-72M, like the Soviet T-72A, features an automatic loading system, reducing the crew requirement to three. By early 80s standards it has a powerful main gun, thick armour, and a not half-bad computerized gunnery system. Absolutely no internal protection whatsoever against ammunition explosions means that the crew will almost certainly be killed if a shot penetrates the armor of the main hull. This happened a ''lot'' to men of the Iraqi Army and Republican Guard during both the Gulf War and the 2003 invasion of Iraq, when the most modern US munitions could slice right through all but the best armoured tanks in the world. The soldiers of the Warsaw Pact were better-trained, better led, and ''far'' more motivated than the armored crews of Saddam Hussein's paper tiger, however, so as lethal as a T-72M could be to its own crew, it posed no small threat to its enemies in the West in the mid-1980s. Something else to remember: in 2003, the original T-72M was hopelessly obsolete. In 1985, it was in its prime and NATO soldiers had good reason to be afraid of it, especially if they weren't riding around in a 40-something-ton war machine. Anything lighter than another MBT would have gotten its clock righteously cleaned by the T-72M if they didn't manage to destroy it first.

	East Germany's T-72Ms were either scrapped or given away when West Germany took over in 1990, but Poland, the Czech Republic, and Slovakia all held onto their T-72Ms and are still using them as of 2019.		East Germany's T-72Ms were either scrapped or given away when West Germany took over in 1990, but Poland, the Czech Republic, and Slovakia all held onto their T-72Ms and are still using them as of 2019.

1d4chan>Yankee team: /* Iraq and Syrian */

2020-06-12T14:22:07Z

Iraq and Syrian

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	The T-72M in the game so far is the Iraqi Army version, as reflected by the crew's lousy stats. Saddam never trusted his own army and, whether he was deliberately imitating Adolf Hitler or not, mimicked the German dictator by creating the Republican Guard, a direct parallel to the Waffen-SS. The Republican Guard still had to use cheap Soviet hardware, but they got the best training and leadership the Iraqi regime could offer. We'll see whether or not the Republican Guard makes an appearance using the T-72M. If you want to custom-add them into the game, using the Polish or East German stats could work, reflecting the superior motivation and discipline of the Republican Guard.		The T-72M in the game so far is the Iraqi Army version, as reflected by the crew's lousy stats. Saddam never trusted his own army and, whether he was deliberately imitating Adolf Hitler or not, mimicked the German dictator by creating the Republican Guard, a direct parallel to the Waffen-SS. The Republican Guard still had to use cheap Soviet hardware, but they got the best training and leadership the Iraqi regime could offer. We'll see whether or not the Republican Guard makes an appearance using the T-72M. If you want to custom-add them into the game, using the Polish or East German stats could work, reflecting the superior motivation and discipline of the Republican Guard.

	The Iraqi T-72M does have one thing going for it: it isn't having to take on the Americans and their much, much better tank crews this time. At least, not yet.		<s>The Iraqi T-72M does have one thing going for it: it isn't having to take on the Americans and their much, much better tank crews this time. At least, not yet.</s> Hello M1a1.

	The Syrian army is also using the T-72M. These are exactly the same as those of the Iraqis, both in ratings and vehicle profile.		The Syrian army is also using the T-72M. These are exactly the same as those of the Iraqis, both in ratings and vehicle profile.

62.163.114.198: /* Iraq and Syrian */

2019-11-28T12:31:46Z

Iraq and Syrian

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	The Iraqi T-72M does have one thing going for it: it isn't having to take on the Americans and their much, much better tank crews this time. At least, not yet.		The Iraqi T-72M does have one thing going for it: it isn't having to take on the Americans and their much, much better tank crews this time. At least, not yet.

	The Syrian army is also using the T-72M. ~~They~~ are exactly the same as those of the Iraqis, both in ratings and vehicle profile.		The Syrian army is also using the T-72M. These are exactly the same as those of the Iraqis, both in ratings and vehicle profile.

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62.163.114.198: /* Iraq and Syrian */

2019-11-28T12:30:59Z

Iraq and Syrian

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	[[File:IRAQT72M.jpg\|300px\|left\|thumb\|They don't wanna be here, ''and'' they don't know how to fight!]]		[[File:IRAQT72M.jpg\|300px\|left\|thumb\|They don't wanna be here, ''and'' they don't know how to fight!]]

	Oh, yes. Our timeline has already seen plenty of the <s>utter incompetence</s> mediocrity of Saddam Hussein's T-72M tanks. As ~~has been~~ seen in OTL's Gulf War and 2003 invasion of Iraq, the combination of poorly-trained, led, and motivated men using obsolete and neglected equipment makes for a ''lot'' of death on one side. In this alternate 1985, however, the Iraqi military ~~are~~ more fortunate. The Americans and their well-armed allies in NATO are busy shooting at Soviet, Polish, East German and Czechoslovakian soldiers and thus in no position to bother with the brutal and authoritarian Hussein regime. However, what history shows us about the skill and motivation of Saddam's men holds true here- all the Iraqi crews get is 4's and 5's across the board. They do outrank their Czech counterparts in a few categories, however, and it doesn't much matter if your guys wanna bail and run for home if their tank is gonna explode the first time somebody scores a solid hit.		Oh, yes. Our timeline has already seen plenty of the <s>utter incompetence</s> mediocrity of Saddam Hussein's T-72M tanks. As was seen in the OTL's Gulf War and 2003 invasion of Iraq, the combination of poorly trained, led, and motivated men using obsolete and neglected equipment makes for a ''lot'' of death on one side. In this alternate 1985, however, the Iraqi military is more fortunate. The Americans and their well-armed allies in NATO are busy shooting at Soviet, Polish, East German and Czechoslovakian soldiers and thus in no position to bother with the brutal and authoritarian Hussein regime. However, what history shows us about the skill and motivation of Saddam's men holds true here- all the Iraqi crews get is 4's and 5's across the board. They do outrank their Czech counterparts in a few categories, however, and it doesn't much matter if your guys wanna bail and run for home if their tank is gonna explode the first time somebody scores a solid hit.

	The T-72M in the game so far is the Iraqi Army version, as reflected by the crew's lousy stats. Saddam never trusted his own army and, whether he was deliberately imitating Adolf Hitler or not, mimicked the German dictator by creating the Republican Guard, a direct parallel to the Waffen-SS. The Republican Guard still had to use cheap Soviet hardware, but they got the best training and leadership the Iraqi regime could offer. We'll see whether or not the Republican Guard makes an appearance using the T-72M. If you want to custom-add them into the game, using the Polish or East German stats could work, reflecting the superior motivation and discipline of the Republican Guard.		The T-72M in the game so far is the Iraqi Army version, as reflected by the crew's lousy stats. Saddam never trusted his own army and, whether he was deliberately imitating Adolf Hitler or not, mimicked the German dictator by creating the Republican Guard, a direct parallel to the Waffen-SS. The Republican Guard still had to use cheap Soviet hardware, but they got the best training and leadership the Iraqi regime could offer. We'll see whether or not the Republican Guard makes an appearance using the T-72M. If you want to custom-add them into the game, using the Polish or East German stats could work, reflecting the superior motivation and discipline of the Republican Guard.

	The Iraqi T-72M does have one thing going for it; it isn't having to take on the Americans and their much, much better tank crews this time. At least not yet.		The Iraqi T-72M does have one thing going for it: it isn't having to take on the Americans and their much, much better tank crews this time. At least, not yet.

	The ~~syrian~~ army is ~~alos~~ using the T-72M. They are exactly the same as those of the Iraqis~~. Whether~~ in ~~their~~ ratings~~, or in the~~ vehicle profile.		The Syrian army is also using the T-72M. They are exactly the same as those of the Iraqis, both in ratings and vehicle profile.

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77.141.89.135: /* In Team Yankee */

2019-11-26T22:53:57Z

In Team Yankee

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	"Volksarmee" features a T-72M company within Panzerregiment 21 "Walter Empacher" in most of its story descriptions from an East German perspective, and provides some background on the 9th Panzer Division.		"Volksarmee" features a T-72M company within Panzerregiment 21 "Walter Empacher" in most of its story descriptions from an East German perspective, and provides some background on the 9th Panzer Division.

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	You start with companies of 3 tanks at 6 points, up to 10 T-72Ms for 27 points.		You start with companies of 3 tanks at 6 points, up to 10 T-72Ms for 27 points.

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	===Iraq and Syrian===		===Iraq and Syrian===

77.141.89.135: /* Iraq */

2019-11-26T22:53:08Z

Iraq

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	You start with companies of 3 tanks at 6 points, up to 10 T-72Ms for 27 points.		You start with companies of 3 tanks at 6 points, up to 10 T-72Ms for 27 points.

	===Iraq===		===Iraq and Syrian===
	[[File:IRAQT72M.jpg\|300px\|left\|thumb\|They don't wanna be here, ''and'' they don't know how to fight!]]		[[File:IRAQT72M.jpg\|300px\|left\|thumb\|They don't wanna be here, ''and'' they don't know how to fight!]]

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	The Iraqi T-72M does have one thing going for it; it isn't having to take on the Americans and their much, much better tank crews this time. At least not yet.		The Iraqi T-72M does have one thing going for it; it isn't having to take on the Americans and their much, much better tank crews this time. At least not yet.

			The syrian army is alos using the T-72M. They are exactly the same as those of the Iraqis. Whether in their ratings, or in the vehicle profile.

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