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	They are the group responsible for Alpharius' (and Omegon's) treachery (or LOYALTY?). Using the Acuity, a form of divination based on Eldar [[Farseer\|farseeing]], they told them that they had two options:		They are the group responsible for Alpharius' (and Omegon's) treachery (or LOYALTY?). Using the Acuity, a form of divination based on Eldar [[Farseer\|farseeing]], they told them that they had two options:
	* 1: The Emperor wins and the galaxy is plunged into 10,000 years of stagnation, during which time Chaos will grow steadily more powerful, eventually consuming the galaxy and all living things in it. If this sounds retarded, that's because it is. There's nothing to indicate the Emperor's reign would lead to stagnation due to His obsession with technological progress, to say nothing of His opposition to Chaos as a whole.		* 1: The Emperor wins and the galaxy is plunged into 10,000 years of stagnation, during which time Chaos will grow steadily more powerful, eventually consuming the galaxy and all living things in it. If this sounds retarded, that's because it is. There's nothing to indicate the Emperor's reign would lead to stagnation due to His obsession with technological progress, to say nothing of His opposition to Chaos as a whole.
	**This option suggests that the Emperor's victory would have resulted in it playing out as it did in canon, when it only went that way partly due to the Cabal's interference. If they had helped or done nothing at all, things almost assuredly would have gone a different way and we probably wouldn't have gotten the grimdark galaxy we have today. This lie is partly “justified” in that despite their claims to the contrary, the Cabal were ignorant of the nature of Chaos, and the majority of the Cabal considered humanity under the Emperor's rule a threat to themselves (and their races). They may have chosen not to aid humanity outright due to distrusting their plans for what would happen after Chaos was dealt with, after all it's unlikely any of them were willing to have their races reduced to slave states (assuming the Emperor did not decide they would be better off exterminated). This ~~tells us something about them though,~~ as ~~the Emperor only purged species that chose to be a threat to humanity. Simply choose not to be and you’ll be ignored/conquered~~. In short, the Cabal were just unwitting pawns of Chaos.		**This option suggests that the Emperor's victory would have resulted in it playing out as it did in canon, when it only went that way partly due to the Cabal's interference. If they had helped or done nothing at all, things almost assuredly would have gone a different way and we probably wouldn't have gotten the grimdark galaxy we have today. This lie is partly “justified” in that despite their claims to the contrary, the Cabal were ignorant of the nature of Chaos, and the majority of the Cabal considered humanity under the Emperor's rule a threat to themselves (and their races). They may have chosen not to aid humanity outright due to distrusting their plans for what would happen after Chaos was dealt with, after all it's unlikely any of them were willing to have their races reduced to slave states (assuming the Emperor did not decide they would be better off exterminated). This means that much of the Cabal's plans were influenced by racial self-interest as well as ignorance of their enemy. In short, the Cabal were just unwitting pawns of Chaos.
	* 2: The Emperor dies, Horus wins, and the galaxy is plunged into Chaos. However, Horus's guilt over having killed the Emperor would lead him to self-destructively trying to destroy the human race, and the Chaos Gods, having gorged themselves on human emotions, would collapse along with them; non-human life in the galaxy would survive, however. Yes, their plan was accelerationism. Whether you're the most misanthropic xenophile fucktard Mankind ever produced, a Cabal member, or the reader who has the benefit of hindsight and reader's knowledge, this plan is catastrophically retarded. Ignoring for a moment that one of the Chaos Gods exists BECAUSE of a non-human species, the idea that the loss of humanity would kill the Chaos Gods is patently false. The Laer worshipped Slaanesh, and even into 40K there's examples of xenos species falling to Chaos. If Mankind is gone, Chaos will find other sentient races to corrupt. Besides, the Emperor losing would have either resulted in the galaxy being turned into a giant Eye of Terror (wiping out all non-human life) or the Chaos humans exterminating/torturing/eating/raping all non-human life into extinction. Case in point: all Chaos humans are still shown to utterly hate aliens and seek to purge their existence.		* 2: The Emperor dies, Horus wins, and the galaxy is plunged into Chaos. However, Horus's guilt over having killed the Emperor would lead him to self-destructively trying to destroy the human race, and the Chaos Gods, having gorged themselves on human emotions, would collapse along with them; non-human life in the galaxy would survive, however. Yes, their plan was accelerationism. Whether you're the most misanthropic xenophile fucktard Mankind ever produced, a Cabal member, or the reader who has the benefit of hindsight and reader's knowledge, this plan is catastrophically retarded. Ignoring for a moment that one of the Chaos Gods exists BECAUSE of a non-human species, the idea that the loss of humanity would kill the Chaos Gods is patently false. The Laer worshipped Slaanesh, and even into 40K there's examples of xenos species falling to Chaos. If Mankind is gone, Chaos will find other sentient races to corrupt. Besides, the Emperor losing would have either resulted in the galaxy being turned into a giant Eye of Terror (wiping out all non-human life) or the Chaos humans exterminating/torturing/eating/raping all non-human life into extinction. Case in point: all Chaos humans are still shown to utterly hate aliens and seek to purge their existence.

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	Later events imply that neither Alpharius nor Omegon fully believed these, although they disagreed with what ''would'' happen. Either regarding these visions as false or at least trying to find another option, the twins have started working against each other, and therefore the Cabal consider this endeavor to have been a failed Gambit on their part and move towards other options.		Later events imply that neither Alpharius nor Omegon fully believed these, although they disagreed with what ''would'' happen. Either regarding these visions as false or at least trying to find another option, the twins have started working against each other, and therefore the Cabal consider this endeavor to have been a failed Gambit on their part and move towards other options.

	Originally, the Emperor’s victory prediction was that during the Emperor’s victory tour of the Imperium, a human would stab him with a Chaos artifact that would corrupt him. Eventually enough people pointed out that putting Chaos in the physical manifestation of anti-Chaos wouldn’t do jackshit and that Chaos, barring extremely powerful beings, cannot even exist, or are even UNMADE in his presence, and so the artifact would have been rendered inert just being near him. Thus Games Workshop retconned it to treat the canon result as the Emperor’s victory. Even though any retard can tell it was at best mutual destruction, not victory. It can’t even be said he saved the Imperium since the Imperium he built was essentially destroyed by his confinement on the Golden Throne.		Originally, the Emperor’s victory prediction was that during the Emperor’s victory tour of the Imperium, a human would stab him with a Chaos artifact that would corrupt him. Eventually enough people pointed out that putting Chaos in the physical manifestation of anti-Chaos wouldn’t do jackshit and that Chaos, barring extremely powerful beings, cannot even exist, or are even UNMADE in his presence, and so the artifact would have been rendered inert just being near him. This isn't even mentioning how said human would be able to get past the Custodes guarding the Emperor and successfully land a hit on the most powerful human in existence. Thus Games Workshop retconned it to treat the canon result as the Emperor’s victory. Even though any retard can tell it was at best mutual destruction, not victory. It can’t even be said he saved the Imperium since the Imperium he built was essentially destroyed by his confinement on the Golden Throne.

	==Assassinating Vulkan==		==Assassinating Vulkan==

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	* 1: The Emperor wins and the galaxy is plunged into 10,000 years of stagnation, during which time Chaos will grow steadily more powerful, eventually consuming the galaxy and all living things in it. If this sounds retarded, that's because it is. There's nothing to indicate the Emperor's reign would lead to stagnation due to His obsession with technological progress, to say nothing of His opposition to Chaos as a whole.		* 1: The Emperor wins and the galaxy is plunged into 10,000 years of stagnation, during which time Chaos will grow steadily more powerful, eventually consuming the galaxy and all living things in it. If this sounds retarded, that's because it is. There's nothing to indicate the Emperor's reign would lead to stagnation due to His obsession with technological progress, to say nothing of His opposition to Chaos as a whole.
	**This option suggests that the Emperor's victory would have resulted in it playing out as it did in canon, when it only went that way partly due to the Cabal's interference. If they had helped or done nothing at all, things almost assuredly would have gone a different way and we probably wouldn't have gotten the grimdark galaxy we have today. This lie is partly “justified” in that despite their claims to the contrary, the Cabal were ignorant of the nature of Chaos, and the majority of the Cabal considered humanity under the Emperor's rule a threat to themselves (and their races). They may have chosen not to aid humanity outright due to distrusting their plans for what would happen after Chaos was dealt with, after all it's unlikely any of them were willing to have their races reduced to slave states (assuming the Emperor did not decide they would be better off exterminated). This tells us something about them though, as the Emperor only purged species that chose to be a threat to humanity. Simply choose not to be and you’ll be ignored/conquered. In short, the Cabal were just unwitting pawns of Chaos.		**This option suggests that the Emperor's victory would have resulted in it playing out as it did in canon, when it only went that way partly due to the Cabal's interference. If they had helped or done nothing at all, things almost assuredly would have gone a different way and we probably wouldn't have gotten the grimdark galaxy we have today. This lie is partly “justified” in that despite their claims to the contrary, the Cabal were ignorant of the nature of Chaos, and the majority of the Cabal considered humanity under the Emperor's rule a threat to themselves (and their races). They may have chosen not to aid humanity outright due to distrusting their plans for what would happen after Chaos was dealt with, after all it's unlikely any of them were willing to have their races reduced to slave states (assuming the Emperor did not decide they would be better off exterminated). This tells us something about them though, as the Emperor only purged species that chose to be a threat to humanity. Simply choose not to be and you’ll be ignored/conquered. In short, the Cabal were just unwitting pawns of Chaos.
	* 2: The Emperor dies, Horus wins, and the galaxy is plunged into Chaos. However, Horus's guilt over having killed the Emperor would lead him to self-destructively trying to destroy the human race, and the Chaos Gods, having gorged themselves on human emotions, would collapse along with them; non-human life in the galaxy would survive, however. Whether you're the most misanthropic xenophile fucktard Mankind ever produced, a Cabal member, or the reader who has the benefit of hindsight and reader's knowledge, this plan is catastrophically retarded. Ignoring for a moment that one of the Chaos Gods exists BECAUSE of a non-human species, the idea that the loss of humanity would kill the Chaos Gods is patently false. The Laer worshipped Slaanesh, and even into 40K there's examples of xenos species falling to Chaos. If Mankind is gone, Chaos will find other sentient races to corrupt. Besides, the Emperor losing would have either resulted in the galaxy being turned into a giant Eye of Terror (wiping out all non-human life) or the Chaos humans exterminating/torturing/eating/raping all non-human life into extinction. Case in point: all Chaos humans are still shown to utterly hate aliens and seek to purge their existence.		* 2: The Emperor dies, Horus wins, and the galaxy is plunged into Chaos. However, Horus's guilt over having killed the Emperor would lead him to self-destructively trying to destroy the human race, and the Chaos Gods, having gorged themselves on human emotions, would collapse along with them; non-human life in the galaxy would survive, however. Yes, their plan was accelerationism. Whether you're the most misanthropic xenophile fucktard Mankind ever produced, a Cabal member, or the reader who has the benefit of hindsight and reader's knowledge, this plan is catastrophically retarded. Ignoring for a moment that one of the Chaos Gods exists BECAUSE of a non-human species, the idea that the loss of humanity would kill the Chaos Gods is patently false. The Laer worshipped Slaanesh, and even into 40K there's examples of xenos species falling to Chaos. If Mankind is gone, Chaos will find other sentient races to corrupt. Besides, the Emperor losing would have either resulted in the galaxy being turned into a giant Eye of Terror (wiping out all non-human life) or the Chaos humans exterminating/torturing/eating/raping all non-human life into extinction. Case in point: all Chaos humans are still shown to utterly hate aliens and seek to purge their existence.

	Later events imply that neither Alpharius nor Omegon fully believed these, although they disagreed with what ''would'' happen. Either regarding these visions as false or at least trying to find another option, the twins have started working against each other, and therefore the Cabal consider this endeavor to have been a failed Gambit on their part and move towards other options.		Later events imply that neither Alpharius nor Omegon fully believed these, although they disagreed with what ''would'' happen. Either regarding these visions as false or at least trying to find another option, the twins have started working against each other, and therefore the Cabal consider this endeavor to have been a failed Gambit on their part and move towards other options.

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			{{topquote\|Crudux Cruo!\|{{Blam\|Not ''that'' [[/v/\|Cabal]], you fool!}}}}
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	The '''Cabal''' was a group of xenos races determined to fight Chaos, mentioned in a number of the [[Horus Heresy]] novels, primarily ''Legion''. At least one [[Eldar]] [[Autarch]], at least two [[Kroot]] ("Spavined avian creatures"), two humans (and [[Perpetual]]s to boot), and possibly the [[Watchers in the Dark]] were included, as well as nearly-extinct, intelligent atmospheric layers and a small, not-dickish omniglot insectoid. ''Legion'' also makes references to the "Old Kind," but it seems that the Perpetual saying that was merely calling the Eldar et. al. "older than humanity," not referring to a literal race. They would have invited the Emperor, but <s>he would rather kill all xenos than work with any of them, as he really ''is'' that much of a bloodthirsty bastard.</s> {{BLAM\|'''BLAM! He was wise enough to realise their plan was deeply flawed and would never bear fruit!'''}}		The '''Cabal''' was a group of xenos races determined to fight Chaos, mentioned in a number of the [[Horus Heresy]] novels, primarily ''Legion''. At least one [[Eldar]] [[Autarch]], at least two [[Kroot]] ("Spavined avian creatures"), two humans (and [[Perpetual]]s to boot), and possibly the [[Watchers in the Dark]] were included, as well as nearly-extinct, intelligent atmospheric layers and a small, not-dickish omniglot insectoid. ''Legion'' also makes references to the "Old Kind," but it seems that the Perpetual saying that was merely calling the Eldar et. al. "older than humanity," not referring to a literal race. They would have invited the Emperor, but <s>he would rather kill all xenos than work with any of them, as he really ''is'' that much of a bloodthirsty bastard.</s> {{BLAM\|'''BLAM! He was wise enough to realise their plan was deeply flawed and would never bear fruit!'''}}

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	==The Alpharius Gambit==		==The Alpharius Gambit==
	They are the group responsible for Alpharius' (and Omegon's) treachery (or LOYALTY?). Using the Acuity, a form of divination based on Eldar [[Farseer\|farseeing]], they told them that they had two options:		They are the group responsible for Alpharius' (and Omegon's) treachery (or LOYALTY?). Using the Acuity, a form of divination based on Eldar [[Farseer\|farseeing]], they told them that they had two options:
	* 1: The Emperor wins and the galaxy is plunged into 10,000 years of stagnation, during which time Chaos will grow steadily more powerful, eventually consuming the galaxy and all living things in it. ~~Which we know~~ is ~~a blatant lie because~~ the Emperor ~~was obsessed~~ with technological progress ~~and because stagnation only positively effects Nurgle while being antithetical~~ to ~~the other three powers~~.		* 1: The Emperor wins and the galaxy is plunged into 10,000 years of stagnation, during which time Chaos will grow steadily more powerful, eventually consuming the galaxy and all living things in it. If this sounds retarded, that's because it is. There's nothing to indicate the Emperor's reign would lead to stagnation due to His obsession with technological progress, to say nothing of His opposition to Chaos as a whole.
	**This option suggests that the Emperor's victory would have resulted in it playing out as it did in canon, when it only went that way partly due to the Cabal's interference. If they had helped or done nothing at all, things almost assuredly would have gone a different way and we probably wouldn't have gotten the grimdark galaxy we have today. This lie is partly “justified” in that despite their claims to the contrary, the Cabal ~~are~~ ignorant of the nature of Chaos, and the majority of the Cabal considered humanity under the Emperor's rule a threat to themselves (and their races). They may have chosen not to aid humanity outright due to distrusting their plans for what would happen after Chaos was dealt with, after all it's unlikely any of them were willing to have their races reduced to slave states (assuming the Emperor did not decide they would be better off exterminated). This tells us something about them though, as the Emperor only purged species that chose to be a threat to humanity. Simply choose not to be and you’ll be ignored/conquered. In short, the Cabal were just unwitting pawns of Chaos.		**This option suggests that the Emperor's victory would have resulted in it playing out as it did in canon, when it only went that way partly due to the Cabal's interference. If they had helped or done nothing at all, things almost assuredly would have gone a different way and we probably wouldn't have gotten the grimdark galaxy we have today. This lie is partly “justified” in that despite their claims to the contrary, the Cabal were ignorant of the nature of Chaos, and the majority of the Cabal considered humanity under the Emperor's rule a threat to themselves (and their races). They may have chosen not to aid humanity outright due to distrusting their plans for what would happen after Chaos was dealt with, after all it's unlikely any of them were willing to have their races reduced to slave states (assuming the Emperor did not decide they would be better off exterminated). This tells us something about them though, as the Emperor only purged species that chose to be a threat to humanity. Simply choose not to be and you’ll be ignored/conquered. In short, the Cabal were just unwitting pawns of Chaos.
	* 2: The Emperor dies, Horus wins, and the galaxy is plunged into Chaos. However, Horus's guilt over having killed the Emperor would lead him to self-destructively trying to destroy the human race, and the Chaos Gods, having gorged themselves on human emotions, would collapse along with them; non-human life in the galaxy would survive, however. Whether you're the most misanthropic xenophile fucktard Mankind ever produced, a Cabal member, or the reader who has the benefit of hindsight and reader's knowledge, this plan is catastrophically retarded. Ignoring for a moment that one of the Chaos Gods exists BECAUSE of a non-human species, the idea that the loss of humanity would kill the Chaos Gods is patently false. The Laer worshipped Slaanesh, and even into 40K there's examples of xenos species falling to Chaos. If Mankind is gone, Chaos will find other sentient races to corrupt. Besides, the Emperor losing would have either resulted in the galaxy being turned into a giant Eye of Terror (wiping out all non-human life) or the Chaos humans exterminating/torturing/eating/raping all non-human life into extinction. Case in point: all Chaos humans are still shown to utterly hate aliens and seek to purge their existence.		* 2: The Emperor dies, Horus wins, and the galaxy is plunged into Chaos. However, Horus's guilt over having killed the Emperor would lead him to self-destructively trying to destroy the human race, and the Chaos Gods, having gorged themselves on human emotions, would collapse along with them; non-human life in the galaxy would survive, however. Whether you're the most misanthropic xenophile fucktard Mankind ever produced, a Cabal member, or the reader who has the benefit of hindsight and reader's knowledge, this plan is catastrophically retarded. Ignoring for a moment that one of the Chaos Gods exists BECAUSE of a non-human species, the idea that the loss of humanity would kill the Chaos Gods is patently false. The Laer worshipped Slaanesh, and even into 40K there's examples of xenos species falling to Chaos. If Mankind is gone, Chaos will find other sentient races to corrupt. Besides, the Emperor losing would have either resulted in the galaxy being turned into a giant Eye of Terror (wiping out all non-human life) or the Chaos humans exterminating/torturing/eating/raping all non-human life into extinction. Case in point: all Chaos humans are still shown to utterly hate aliens and seek to purge their existence.