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Beyond the Emperor

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	During recent years the writers of Games Workshop have been hinting at a few facts, let us consider the following:		During recent years the writers of Games Workshop have been hinting at a few facts, let us consider the following:
	* The future is not absolutely written, and this comes from Chaos itself; even [[Tzeentch]] can't predict everything perfectly, requiring him to ask his [[Kairos Fateweaver\|insane bird-oracle to clarify on these events]].		* The future is not absolutely written, and this comes from Chaos itself; even [[Tzeentch]] can't predict everything perfectly, requiring him to ask his [[Kairos Fateweaver\|insane bird-oracle to clarify on these events]].
	* The fall of the Imperium may be inevitable, but mankind may live on. Given the sheer scope of the human exodus, it's not outside the realm of possibility that some remnant of the Dark Age of Technology has continued unchanged from its original height, though it's very unlikely. For this to be the case it would somehow have to avoid nearly all xenos, chaos influence/worshipers, have its own way of dealing with latent psykers so that they don't be used be Daemons [[Enslavers\|or worse]] and never have met any of the other traders, explorators and travelers in general that make up how the current Imperium discovers new planets.		* The fall of the Imperium may be inevitable, but mankind may live on. Given the sheer scope of the human exodus, it's not outside the realm of possibility that some remnant of the Dark Age of Technology has continued unchanged from its original height, though it's very unlikely. For this to be the case it would somehow have to avoid nearly all xenos, chaos influence/worshipers, have its own way of dealing with latent psykers so that they don't be used by Daemons [[Enslavers\|or worse]] and never have met any of the other traders, explorators and travelers in general that make up how the current Imperium discovers new planets.
	* The [[Cadian Pylons]], while destroyed, were developed by beings that still exist. The fact the [[Necrons]] are still around opens the possibility that they may yet be capable of building replacements, and thanks to [[Trazyn the Infinite\|Trazyn]] we know they are capable of closing of warp storms. Oh, and it seems like [[Belisarius_Cawl\|Uncle Cawl]] is working on that.		* The [[Cadian Pylons]], while destroyed, were developed by beings that still exist. The fact the [[Necrons]] are still around opens the possibility that they may yet be capable of building replacements, and thanks to [[Trazyn the Infinite\|Trazyn]] we know they are capable of closing of warp storms. Oh, and it seems like [[Belisarius_Cawl\|Uncle Cawl]] is working on that.
	* The Akashic Records truly exist and are somehow linked to [[STC\|Ark Mechanicus ships such as Speranza]], this simple fact means all already existing knowledge is never lost forever, but merely incredibly hard to acquire.		* The Akashic Records truly exist and are somehow linked to [[STC\|Ark Mechanicus ships such as Speranza]], this simple fact means all already existing knowledge is never lost forever, but merely incredibly hard to acquire.

1d4chan>BoomJocky: Tense correction

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	To be even more fair (and meta), the triumvirate of Horus Heresy authors tend to have their own interpretation of the Big E. [[Graham McNeill]] generally portrays Him as competent and benevolent (if flawed), [[Dan Abnett]] portrays Him as competent but bloodthirsty, while [[Aaron Dembski-Bowden]] portrays Him as a vicious, needlessly cruel imbecile (and even this is counterbalanced by his portrayal in Master of Mankind, where he's interestingly a mixture of all the previous portrayals at once - which is kinda of appropriate really). Chris Wraight, as far as he has portrayed Him, has done so through the eyes of Jaghatai Khan, showing Him as deeply flawed and distant from His own sons, but also countering that He was working towards goals even the Primarchs couldn't fully grasp. Even in Path of Heaven, where the Khan gets close to learning the secrets of the Webway project, he's shown to not have all the cards (the Emperor's knowledge that humanity is evolving into a psychic race, for example).		To be even more fair (and meta), the triumvirate of Horus Heresy authors tend to have their own interpretation of the Big E. [[Graham McNeill]] generally portrays Him as competent and benevolent (if flawed), [[Dan Abnett]] portrays Him as competent but bloodthirsty, while [[Aaron Dembski-Bowden]] portrays Him as a vicious, needlessly cruel imbecile (and even this is counterbalanced by his portrayal in Master of Mankind, where he's interestingly a mixture of all the previous portrayals at once - which is kinda of appropriate really). Chris Wraight, as far as he has portrayed Him, has done so through the eyes of Jaghatai Khan, showing Him as deeply flawed and distant from His own sons, but also countering that He was working towards goals even the Primarchs couldn't fully grasp. Even in Path of Heaven, where the Khan gets close to learning the secrets of the Webway project, he's shown to not have all the cards (the Emperor's knowledge that humanity is evolving into a psychic race, for example).

	On another note, [[Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader\|long before the Horus Heresy novel series]], there were hidden gems Noobs are not aware of, such as a text describing the fight between Horus and the Emperor (although it wasn't written especially well), or Conspiracy Theories. One of them was actually the possibility that the Emperor was already dead when Rogal Dorn managed to reach him; however, in the aforementioned text, [[Luther\|Horus had realised that he had been wronged and deceived]] by the [[Assholetep\|Chaos Gods]], who immediately ceased to ~~possessed~~ the Warmaster and fled before the Emperor's final Force attack [[FATAL\|bring woe to both of them]]. What if the Emperor had spared him or if the Warmaster survived somehow? In Olden Fluff, all Primarchs were Psykers and originally supposed to be [[Grey Knight\|shining examplars of Human free from the taint of the Empyrean]] which they failed to bear true potential due to their early contact with the Warp, via the Dark Gods abducting them pedobear style.		On another note, [[Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader\|long before the Horus Heresy novel series]], there were hidden gems Noobs are not aware of, such as a text describing the fight between Horus and the Emperor (although it wasn't written especially well), or Conspiracy Theories. One of them was actually the possibility that the Emperor was already dead when Rogal Dorn managed to reach him; however, in the aforementioned text, [[Luther\|Horus had realised that he had been wronged and deceived]] by the [[Assholetep\|Chaos Gods]], who immediately ceased to possess the Warmaster and fled before the Emperor's final Force attack [[FATAL\|bring woe to both of them]]. What if the Emperor had spared him or if the Warmaster survived somehow? In Olden Fluff, all Primarchs were Psykers and originally supposed to be [[Grey Knight\|shining examplars of Human free from the taint of the Empyrean]] which they failed to bear true potential due to their early contact with the Warp, via the Dark Gods abducting them pedobear style.

	This in turn was what caused their mutations and unique characteristics and diversity which was more of a metaphor that each Primarch was an image of humanity themselves; in fact, much of the powers of the Primarchs, like the Emperor, would have come from their psychic abilities. It is known that [[Sensei]]'s powers include health, regeneration, greater athletic prowess and [[God Stat\|overpowering their Strength stat]] when they try to attack something, thus it would not be surprising if it was also the case for Primarchs (baby Sanguinius was super healthy and immune to Baal's radiations, Curze crawled out of his molten drop-pod and crater while screaming in pain and fled immediately, instinctively, into the darkness, and later his body was fully healed) prior to the new fluff messing everything up, 'cause BL writers have trouble getting their shit together.		This in turn was what caused their mutations and unique characteristics and diversity which was more of a metaphor that each Primarch was an image of humanity themselves; in fact, much of the powers of the Primarchs, like the Emperor, would have come from their psychic abilities. It is known that [[Sensei]]'s powers include health, regeneration, greater athletic prowess and [[God Stat\|overpowering their Strength stat]] when they try to attack something, thus it would not be surprising if it was also the case for Primarchs (baby Sanguinius was super healthy and immune to Baal's radiations, Curze crawled out of his molten drop-pod and crater while screaming in pain and fled immediately, instinctively, into the darkness, and later his body was fully healed) prior to the new fluff messing everything up, 'cause BL writers have trouble getting their shit together.

1d4chan>ThatOneBruvva: /* The State of His Gear */

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The State of His Gear

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	Of course, since the Big E has been chairbound for millennia now, His gear had also been left in various states of repair and with the return of multiple Primarchs, it leaves one to question their states.		Of course, since the Big E has been chairbound for millennia now, His gear had also been left in various states of repair and with the return of multiple Primarchs, it leaves one to question their states.

	*'''Armour:''' Likely damaged and disassembled in some state, since various things from the [[Crux Terminatus]] of every suit of Terminator ~~amrour~~ to certain Sororitas relics all claim to house shards of the Emperor's armor. There's no clue how much of it still remains, or how possible it would be to repair it to any state of functionality without Him.		*'''Armour:''' Likely damaged and disassembled in some state, since various things from the Crux Terminatus of every suit of [[Terminator armor]] to certain Sororitas relics all claim to house shards of the Emperor's armor. There's no clue how much of it still remains, or how possible it would be to repair it to any state of functionality without Him.
	*'''The Burning Blade:''' Showed up as a relic in the 6E and 7E Marines Codex, but eventually would be bequeathed to Guilliman after he returned to Terra for his heart-to-heart with daddy.		*'''The Burning Blade:''' Showed up as a relic in the 6E and 7E Marines Codex, but eventually would be bequeathed to Guilliman after he returned to Terra for his heart-to-heart with daddy.
	*'''The Emperor's Shield:''' While we have no clue when he used one, if he ever did, it managed to end up in [[Mirror-Caliban]], where it was discovered by the Lion as part of his recovery quest before returning to the Imperium.		*'''The Emperor's Shield:''' While we have no clue when he used one, if he ever did, it managed to end up in [[Mirror-Caliban]], where it was discovered by the Lion as part of his recovery quest before returning to the Imperium.

1d4chan>ThatOneBruvva: /* =The State of His Gear */

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=The State of His Gear

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	Oh, he ''might'' be frequently psychically communicating to this random psyker on Atoma Prime that was abruptly rescued and recruited into an Inquisitor's warband as they goes on missions to fight for the world, according to [[Warhammer 40K: Darktide]]...but that psyker's probably just crazy/has daemons talking to them...probably... Then again, some of the tidbits the psyker(s) get are awfully nuanced and insightful (not to mention fucking funny), so probably beyond the repertoire of what a daemon might say.		Oh, he ''might'' be frequently psychically communicating to this random psyker on Atoma Prime that was abruptly rescued and recruited into an Inquisitor's warband as they goes on missions to fight for the world, according to [[Warhammer 40K: Darktide]]...but that psyker's probably just crazy/has daemons talking to them...probably... Then again, some of the tidbits the psyker(s) get are awfully nuanced and insightful (not to mention fucking funny), so probably beyond the repertoire of what a daemon might say.

	====The State of His Gear===		====The State of His Gear====
	Of course, since the Big E has been chairbound for millennia now, His gear had also been left in various states of repair and with the return of multiple Primarchs, it leaves one to question their states.		Of course, since the Big E has been chairbound for millennia now, His gear had also been left in various states of repair and with the return of multiple Primarchs, it leaves one to question their states.

1d4chan>ThatOneBruvva: /* "Modern" Day */

2023-05-23T12:16:51Z

"Modern" Day

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	Oh, he ''might'' be frequently psychically communicating to this random psyker on Atoma Prime that was abruptly rescued and recruited into an Inquisitor's warband as they goes on missions to fight for the world, according to [[Warhammer 40K: Darktide]]...but that psyker's probably just crazy/has daemons talking to them...probably... Then again, some of the tidbits the psyker(s) get are awfully nuanced and insightful (not to mention fucking funny), so probably beyond the repertoire of what a daemon might say.		Oh, he ''might'' be frequently psychically communicating to this random psyker on Atoma Prime that was abruptly rescued and recruited into an Inquisitor's warband as they goes on missions to fight for the world, according to [[Warhammer 40K: Darktide]]...but that psyker's probably just crazy/has daemons talking to them...probably... Then again, some of the tidbits the psyker(s) get are awfully nuanced and insightful (not to mention fucking funny), so probably beyond the repertoire of what a daemon might say.

			====The State of His Gear===
			Of course, since the Big E has been chairbound for millennia now, His gear had also been left in various states of repair and with the return of multiple Primarchs, it leaves one to question their states.

			*'''Armour:''' Likely damaged and disassembled in some state, since various things from the [[Crux Terminatus]] of every suit of Terminator amrour to certain Sororitas relics all claim to house shards of the Emperor's armor. There's no clue how much of it still remains, or how possible it would be to repair it to any state of functionality without Him.
			*'''The Burning Blade:''' Showed up as a relic in the 6E and 7E Marines Codex, but eventually would be bequeathed to Guilliman after he returned to Terra for his heart-to-heart with daddy.
			*'''The Emperor's Shield:''' While we have no clue when he used one, if he ever did, it managed to end up in [[Mirror-Caliban]], where it was discovered by the Lion as part of his recovery quest before returning to the Imperium.
			*'''The Emperor's Talon:''' Uncertain. Ideally, Corax might have it, but we have no clue for sure.

	==The Emprah Himself==		==The Emprah Himself==

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"Modern" Day

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	On top of this, it can be argued that Chaos hasn't been nerfed at all. Nurgle, who had held reign in ten thousand years of stasis, is now returning to a lower place as a great change has come. Tzeentch, Khorne and Slaanesh are certainly stronger than ever. The difference now is that The Emperor has become powerful enough to hit back at the Chaos Gods hard enough to inflict truly substantive damage. Whether or not that will actually occur remains to be seen however, especially as [[Games_Workshop\|the Chief Deity would never let one side truly gain the upper hand, for fear of something interesting happening,]] but with the field levelled now, the potential to do so exists.		On top of this, it can be argued that Chaos hasn't been nerfed at all. Nurgle, who had held reign in ten thousand years of stasis, is now returning to a lower place as a great change has come. Tzeentch, Khorne and Slaanesh are certainly stronger than ever. The difference now is that The Emperor has become powerful enough to hit back at the Chaos Gods hard enough to inflict truly substantive damage. Whether or not that will actually occur remains to be seen however, especially as [[Games_Workshop\|the Chief Deity would never let one side truly gain the upper hand, for fear of something interesting happening,]] but with the field levelled now, the potential to do so exists.

	Oh, he ''might'' be frequently psychically communicating to this random psyker on Atoma Prime that was abruptly rescued and recruited into an Inquisitor's warband as they goes on missions to fight for the world, according to [[Warhammer 40K: Darktide]]...but that psyker's probably just crazy/has ~~demons~~ talking to them...probably.		Oh, he ''might'' be frequently psychically communicating to this random psyker on Atoma Prime that was abruptly rescued and recruited into an Inquisitor's warband as they goes on missions to fight for the world, according to [[Warhammer 40K: Darktide]]...but that psyker's probably just crazy/has daemons talking to them...probably... Then again, some of the tidbits the psyker(s) get are awfully nuanced and insightful (not to mention fucking funny), so probably beyond the repertoire of what a daemon might say.

	==The Emprah Himself==		==The Emprah Himself==

1d4chan>Zzedar: /* The Emprah Himself */

2023-05-10T15:58:15Z

The Emprah Himself

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	[[File:Climax.jpg\|250px\|right\|thumb\|A typical father-and-son chat between Empy and Horus.]]		[[File:Climax.jpg\|250px\|right\|thumb\|A typical father-and-son chat between Empy and Horus.]]
	{{Topquote\|1=The Emperor was a brilliant scientist, a powerful warrior, and great psyker, but he was a terrible [[Venus' Burn\|father...]]\|2=[[Roboute Guilliman]] giving a short, yet accurate, biography of the Emperor.}}		{{Topquote\|1=The Emperor was a brilliant scientist, a powerful warrior, and great psyker, but he was a terrible [[Venus' Burn\|father...]]\|2=[[Roboute Guilliman]] giving a short, yet accurate, biography of the Emperor.}}
			{{Topquote\|1=I'm here to conquer the galaxy and raise children, and I'm all out of fathering skills\|2=Montu Plays}}

	After He shaved His goatee, His chin radiated [[Astronomican\|a brilliant light]] through the [[Warp]]. The [[Imperial Navy]] uses this light as a beacon to guide them through that beautifully terrible place. He is sometimes referred to as the Emprah, a joke derived from the voice acting in the ''[[Dawn of War]]'' game, ''[[Dawn of War: Soulstorm\|Soulstorm]]'', specifically [[Indrick Boreale]]'s final speeches.		After He shaved His goatee, His chin radiated [[Astronomican\|a brilliant light]] through the [[Warp]]. The [[Imperial Navy]] uses this light as a beacon to guide them through that beautifully terrible place. He is sometimes referred to as the Emprah, a joke derived from the voice acting in the ''[[Dawn of War]]'' game, ''[[Dawn of War: Soulstorm\|Soulstorm]]'', specifically [[Indrick Boreale]]'s final speeches.

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	During recent years the writers of Games Workshop have been hinting at a few facts, let us consider the following:		During recent years the writers of Games Workshop have been hinting at a few facts, let us consider the following:
	* The future is not absolutely written, and this comes from Chaos itself; even [[Tzeentch]] can't predict everything perfectly, requiring him to ask his [[Kairos Fateweaver\|insane bird-oracle to clarify on these events]].		* The future is not absolutely written, and this comes from Chaos itself; even [[Tzeentch]] can't predict everything perfectly, requiring him to ask his [[Kairos Fateweaver\|insane bird-oracle to clarify on these events]].
	* The fall of the Imperium may be inevitable, but mankind may live on. Given the sheer scope of the human exodus, it's not outside the realm of possibility that some remnant of the Dark Age of Technology has continued unchanged from its original height, though it's very unlikely. For this to be the case it would somehow have to avoid nearly all xenos, chaos influence/worshipers, have its own way of dealing with latent psykers so that they don't be used be Daemons [[Enslavers\|or worse]] and never have met any of the other traders, explorators and travelers in general that make up how the current Imperium discovers new planets.		* The fall of the Imperium may be inevitable, but mankind may live on. Given the sheer scope of the human exodus, it's not outside the realm of possibility that some remnant of the Dark Age of Technology has continued unchanged from its original height, though it's very unlikely. For this to be the case it would somehow have to avoid nearly all xenos, chaos influence/worshipers, have its own way of dealing with latent psykers so that they don't be used by Daemons [[Enslavers\|or worse]] and never have met any of the other traders, explorators and travelers in general that make up how the current Imperium discovers new planets.
	* The [[Cadian Pylons]], while destroyed, were developed by beings that still exist. The fact the [[Necrons]] are still around opens the possibility that they may yet be capable of building replacements, and thanks to [[Trazyn the Infinite\|Trazyn]] we know they are capable of closing of warp storms. Oh, and it seems like [[Belisarius_Cawl\|Uncle Cawl]] is working on that.		* The [[Cadian Pylons]], while destroyed, were developed by beings that still exist. The fact the [[Necrons]] are still around opens the possibility that they may yet be capable of building replacements, and thanks to [[Trazyn the Infinite\|Trazyn]] we know they are capable of closing of warp storms. Oh, and it seems like [[Belisarius_Cawl\|Uncle Cawl]] is working on that.
	* The Akashic Records truly exist and are somehow linked to [[STC\|Ark Mechanicus ships such as Speranza]], this simple fact means all already existing knowledge is never lost forever, but merely incredibly hard to acquire.		* The Akashic Records truly exist and are somehow linked to [[STC\|Ark Mechanicus ships such as Speranza]], this simple fact means all already existing knowledge is never lost forever, but merely incredibly hard to acquire.

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	[[File:Climax.jpg\|250px\|right\|thumb\|A typical father-and-son chat between Empy and Horus.]]		[[File:Climax.jpg\|250px\|right\|thumb\|A typical father-and-son chat between Empy and Horus.]]
	{{Topquote\|1=The Emperor was a brilliant scientist, a powerful warrior, and great psyker, but he was a terrible [[Venus' Burn\|father...]]\|2=[[Roboute Guilliman]] giving a short, yet accurate, biography of the Emperor.}}		{{Topquote\|1=The Emperor was a brilliant scientist, a powerful warrior, and great psyker, but he was a terrible [[Venus' Burn\|father...]]\|2=[[Roboute Guilliman]] giving a short, yet accurate, biography of the Emperor.}}
			{{Topquote\|1=I'm here to conquer the galaxy and raise children, and I'm all out of fathering skills\|2=Montu Plays}}

	After He shaved His goatee, His chin radiated [[Astronomican\|a brilliant light]] through the [[Warp]]. The [[Imperial Navy]] uses this light as a beacon to guide them through that beautifully terrible place. He is sometimes referred to as the Emprah, a joke derived from the voice acting in the ''[[Dawn of War]]'' game, ''[[Dawn of War: Soulstorm\|Soulstorm]]'', specifically [[Indrick Boreale]]'s final speeches.		After He shaved His goatee, His chin radiated [[Astronomican\|a brilliant light]] through the [[Warp]]. The [[Imperial Navy]] uses this light as a beacon to guide them through that beautifully terrible place. He is sometimes referred to as the Emprah, a joke derived from the voice acting in the ''[[Dawn of War]]'' game, ''[[Dawn of War: Soulstorm\|Soulstorm]]'', specifically [[Indrick Boreale]]'s final speeches.