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	==So what actually IS this book?==		==So what actually IS this book?==
	Basically, it's the Bible of Norse mythology. Most of what we know about their religious culture is found here, from the way the nine realms are laid out, to what will happen during Ragnarök, to WHO the actual gods are and just what some of the names Odin (Icelandic name: Óðínn) actually are. Spoiler alert, there's a shit ton of them.		Basically, it's part of the Bible of Norse mythology, the other half being the Prose Edda. Most of what we know about their religious culture is found here, from the way the nine realms are laid out, to what will happen during Ragnarök, to WHO the actual gods are and just what some of the names Odin (Icelandic name: Óðínn) actually are. Spoiler alert, there's a shit ton of them.

	==And how is this /tg/relevant?==		==And how is this /tg/relevant?==

1d4chan>LiVetoair: /* Wait, how? */ Spelling and Grammar, minor liposuction.

2019-05-16T22:45:38Z

Wait, how?: Spelling and Grammar, minor liposuction.

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	[[Lion El'Jonson\|Oscar Wilde]] has been attributed to the quote "Talent borrows. Genius Steals."		[[Lion El'Jonson\|Oscar Wilde]] has been attributed to the quote "Talent borrows. Genius Steals."

	In that case don't think of it as Tolkien being unoriginal, just that he was clever enough to re-use and re-purpose old ~~scandinavian~~ texts and turn them into one of the most well-lauded and influential series in literary history.		In that case don't think of it as Tolkien being unoriginal, just that he was clever enough to re-use and re-purpose old Scandinavian texts and turn them into one of the most well-lauded and influential series in literary history.

	But seriously, though, there are a lot of things in both the Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit, especially the Hobbit, that are very reminiscent, if not straight up taken, from the Edda. Tolkien himself even admitted to the fact that this book was a massive influence on his writing of the main series, but particularly the Hobbit, and it does show.		But seriously, though, there are a lot of things in both the Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit, especially the Hobbit, that are very reminiscent, if not straight up taken, from the Edda. Tolkien himself even admitted to the fact that this book was a massive influence on his writing of the main series, but particularly the Hobbit, and it does show.

	Now, as I'm sure some fa/tg/uys might not be all that fussed with reading about 320 pages of ~~arhcaic~~ Icelandic poetry, what we're going to do with the rest of this section is list a few of the ~~comparitive~~ similarities here;		Now, as I'm sure some fa/tg/uys might not be all that fussed with reading about 320 pages of archaic Icelandic poetry, what we're going to do with the rest of this section is list a few of the comparative similarities here;

	*'''Gandalf''': The depiction of ~~gandalf~~ in the books and the films seems to have been heavily influenced from the many depictions of Odin throughout the stories in this book. Odin is depicted as a bearded, older man wearing a cloak with either a hood or a very large-brimmed hat and a spear, but in Gandalf's case it is a staff. They are both depicted as wandering figures, both of which walk the earth gathering knowledge and sharing wisdom as they do. They are also both depicted as vanquishing their foes by outwitting them, such as when Gandalf tricks the Trolls ~~in the hobbit by~~ staying up until sunrise, turning them into stone. Speaking of which;		*'''Gandalf''': The depiction of Gandalf in the books and the films seems to have been heavily influenced from the many depictions of Odin throughout the stories in this book. Odin is depicted as a bearded, older man wearing a cloak with either a hood or a very large-brimmed hat and a spear, but in Gandalf's case it is a staff. They are both depicted as wandering figures, both of which walk the earth gathering knowledge and sharing wisdom as they do. They are also both depicted as vanquishing their foes by outwitting them, such as when Gandalf tricks the Trolls into staying up until sunrise, turning them into stone. Speaking of which;
	*'''The Trolls in the Hobbit''': This section of the book is very similar to the Alvíssmál, a story in which the god Thor returns to Valhalla to find that a Dwarf has married his daughter without Thor's permission. As this Dwarf claims to be a wise Dwarf, Thor asks him to prove it by answering the questions he gives him. He does this for as long as it takes for the sun to rise, turning the Dwarf to stone and allowing him to free his daughter. Change the Dwarf to three trolls, Thor to Gandalf and Thor's daughter to the party of Bilbo and the dwarves, and there you have it. Almost a stone copy.		*'''The Trolls in the Hobbit''': This section of the book is very similar to the Alvíssmál, a story in which the god Thor returns to Valhalla to find that a Dwarf has married his daughter without Thor's permission. As this Dwarf claims to be a wise Dwarf, Thor asks him to prove it by answering the questions he gives him. He does this for as long as it takes for the sun to rise, turning the Dwarf to stone and allowing him to free his daughter. Change the Dwarf to three trolls, Thor to Gandalf and Thor's daughter to the party of Bilbo and the dwarves, and there you have it. Almost a stone copy.
	*'''The Names of the Dwarves in "The Hobbit"''': In the Völuspá, several there is a catalogue of Dwarven names, many of which can be found as names for the main dwarves in the Hobbit. These names include; Thorin, Dwalin, Fili, Kili, Bifur, Bofur and Nori leaving only six Dwarves left. Other names to appear from this section of the poem include Durin, one of the original dwarves in the Edda, and most likely where we get the name "Durin's Folk" from in LotR, and, funnily enough, Gandalf's name, too.		*'''The Names of the Dwarves in "The Hobbit"''': In the Völuspá, several there is a catalogue of Dwarven names, many of which can be found as names for the main dwarves in the Hobbit. These names include; Thorin, Dwalin, Fili, Kili, Bifur, Bofur and Nori leaving only six Dwarves left. Other names to appear from this section of the poem include Durin, one of the original dwarves in the Edda, and most likely where we get the name "Durin's Folk" from in LotR, and, funnily enough, Gandalf's name, too.

110.23.50.173: /* And how is this /tg/relevant? */ elaboration.

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And how is this /tg/relevant?: elaboration.

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	The first one is just that, oh, I don't know, [[Awesome\|'''IT'S FUCKING VIKING MYTH-POETRY!!!''']]		The first one is just that, oh, I don't know, [[Awesome\|'''IT'S FUCKING VIKING MYTH-POETRY!!!''']]

	The second one, in terms of language, is that it's a pretty good measuring stick for if and when you want your DnD campaign to take on a more old-timey feel. The language here can get pretty archaic, both in terms of grammar and vocabulary. This is mainly due to the fact that it was written over a thousand years ago, in ancient Icelandic.		The second one, in terms of language, is that it's a pretty good measuring stick for if and when you want your DnD campaign to take on a more old-timey feel. The language here can get pretty archaic, even in translation, both in terms of grammar and vocabulary. This is mainly due to the fact that it was written over a thousand years ago, in ancient Icelandic.

	And thirdly (now this is the big one) it's /tg/ relevant because without it we wouldn't have [[The Hobbit]] and therefore [[The Lord of the Rings]], and by proxy, 90% of modern fantasy.		And thirdly (now this is the big one) it's /tg/ relevant because without it we wouldn't have [[The Hobbit]] and therefore [[The Lord of the Rings]], and by proxy, 90% of modern fantasy.

1d4chan>LGX-000 at 06:55, 29 March 2019

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	[[File:Poetic_Edda_Cover.jpg\|200px\|thumb\|right\|The most widely recommended translation released by the University of Texas]]		[[File:Poetic_Edda_Cover.jpg\|200px\|thumb\|right\|The most widely recommended translation released by the University of Texas]]
	Somewhere within the 8th century, in what is now modern-day Denmark, there emerged a culture of Germanic people whose culture was one of heavy militarisation. Their culture was one that praised and admired the qualities of a warrior, and they developed a pantheon of gods based around these traits. Over the next two-hundred years, their rape and pillage raiding tactics brought them a great deal of infamy throughout western Europe, in modern day countries such as France, England, Ireland, Finland and Latvia~~, as~~ they would often target monasteries, seeing as they were generally undefended and contained a God's honest shit-ton of loot inside. It was this focus on Christian monks that gained them something of a reputation for being godless, pagan savages in the ~~latin~~-influenced realm.		Somewhere within the 8th century, in what is now modern-day Denmark, there emerged a culture of Germanic people whose culture was one of heavy militarisation. Their culture was one that praised and admired the qualities of a warrior, and they developed a pantheon of gods based around these traits. Over the next two-hundred years, their rape-and-pillage raiding tactics brought them a great deal of infamy throughout western Europe in modern-day countries such as France, England, Ireland, Finland and Latvia; they would often target monasteries, seeing as they were generally undefended and contained a God's honest shit-ton of loot inside. It was this focus on Christian monks that gained them something of a reputation for being godless, pagan savages in the Latin-influenced realm.

	But this couldn't be further from the truth. The fact is that these people, who became known as the [[Vikings]], actually had a rich culture of oral-tradition story telling. Throughout their homeland, and the lands that they raided, was spread many tales about their gods, mighty battles and godly kings and their dynasties.		But this couldn't be further from the truth. The fact is that these people, who became known as the [[Vikings]], actually had a rich culture of oral-tradition story telling. Throughout their homeland, and the lands that they raided, was spread many tales about their gods, mighty battles and godly kings and their dynasties.

	Unfortunately, during the ~~viking~~ age, the actual Vikings themselves didn't write any of these tales down, as they had no real way of doing it. It wasn't until the ~~christian~~ age of Scandinavia, when people needed to read from books like the ~~bible~~, that people actually bothered writing these stories down and recording them.		Unfortunately, during the Viking age, the actual Vikings themselves didn't write any of these tales down, as they had no real way of doing it. It wasn't until the Christian age of Scandinavia, when people needed to read from books like the Bible, that people actually bothered writing these stories down and recording them.

	And as a result, The Poetic Edda was written.		And as a result, '''The Poetic Edda''' was written.

	==So what actually IS this book?==		==So what actually IS this book?==

1d4chan>Justaquickbite at 08:56, 15 December 2018

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	[[File:Poetic_Edda_Cover.jpg\|200px\|thumb\|right\|The most widely recommended translation released by the University of Texas]]		[[File:Poetic_Edda_Cover.jpg\|200px\|thumb\|right\|The most widely recommended translation released by the University of Texas]]
	Somewhere within the 8th century, in modern-day Denmark, there emerged a culture of Germanic people whose culture was one of heavy militarisation. Their culture was one that praised and admired the qualities of a warrior, and they developed a pantheon of gods based around these traits. Over the next two-hundred years, their rape and pillage raiding tactics brought them a great deal of infamy throughout western Europe, in modern day countries such as France, England, Ireland, Finland and Latvia, as they would often target monasteries, seeing as they were generally undefended and contained a God's honest shit-ton of loot inside. It was this focus on Christian monks that gained them something of a reputation for being godless, pagan savages in the latin-influenced realm.		Somewhere within the 8th century, in what is now modern-day Denmark, there emerged a culture of Germanic people whose culture was one of heavy militarisation. Their culture was one that praised and admired the qualities of a warrior, and they developed a pantheon of gods based around these traits. Over the next two-hundred years, their rape and pillage raiding tactics brought them a great deal of infamy throughout western Europe, in modern day countries such as France, England, Ireland, Finland and Latvia, as they would often target monasteries, seeing as they were generally undefended and contained a God's honest shit-ton of loot inside. It was this focus on Christian monks that gained them something of a reputation for being godless, pagan savages in the latin-influenced realm.

	But this couldn't be further from the truth. The fact is that these people, who became known as the [[Vikings]], actually had a rich culture of oral-tradition story telling. Throughout their homeland, and the lands that they raided, was spread many tales about their gods, mighty battles and godly kings and their dynasties.		But this couldn't be further from the truth. The fact is that these people, who became known as the [[Vikings]], actually had a rich culture of oral-tradition story telling. Throughout their homeland, and the lands that they raided, was spread many tales about their gods, mighty battles and godly kings and their dynasties.

65.117.99.172: /* So...Tolkien's a hack then? */

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So...Tolkien's a hack then?

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	...what?		...what?

	No!		'''''No!'''''

	The point of this page was not to decry Tolkien as an unoriginal hack who just straight up stole all of his content from other people's work.		The point of this page was not to decry Tolkien as an unoriginal hack who just straight up stole all of his content from other people's work.

65.117.99.172: /* So what actually IS this book? */

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So what actually IS this book?

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	==So what actually IS this book?==		==So what actually IS this book?==
	Basically, it's ~~your primary sourcebook for all things~~ Norse mythology.		Basically, it's the Bible of Norse mythology. Most of what we know about their religious culture is found here, from the way the nine realms are laid out, to what will happen during Ragnarök, to WHO the actual gods are and just what some of the names Odin (Icelandic name: Óðínn) actually are. Spoiler alert, there's a shit ton of them.

	Most of what we know about their religious culture is found here, from the way the nine realms are laid out, to what will happen during Ragnarök, to WHO the actual gods are and just what some of the names Odin (Icelandic name: Óðínn) actually are. Spoiler alert, there's a shit ton of them.

	==And how is this /tg/relevant?==		==And how is this /tg/relevant?==

1d4chan>LiVetoair: /* And how is this /tg/relevant? */

2018-02-11T09:41:12Z

And how is this /tg/relevant?

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	The first one is just that, oh, I don't know, [[Awesome\|'''IT'S FUCKING VIKING MYTH-POETRY!!!''']]		The first one is just that, oh, I don't know, [[Awesome\|'''IT'S FUCKING VIKING MYTH-POETRY!!!''']]

	The second one is that it's a pretty good measuring stick for if and when you want your DnD campaign to take on a more old-timey feel. The language here can get pretty archaic, both in terms of grammar and vocabulary. This is mainly due to the fact that it was written over a thousand years ago, in ancient Icelandic.		The second one, in terms of language, is that it's a pretty good measuring stick for if and when you want your DnD campaign to take on a more old-timey feel. The language here can get pretty archaic, both in terms of grammar and vocabulary. This is mainly due to the fact that it was written over a thousand years ago, in ancient Icelandic.

	And thirdly (now this is the big one) it's /tg/ relevant because without it we wouldn't have [[The Hobbit]] and therefore [[The Lord of the Rings]], and by proxy, 90% of modern fantasy.		And thirdly (now this is the big one) it's /tg/ relevant because without it we wouldn't have [[The Hobbit]] and therefore [[The Lord of the Rings]], and by proxy, 90% of modern fantasy.