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	And note that the Blood Ravens have no idea which legion or chapter they originally came from and the fact that they produce an unusually higher number of Psykers than your average marine chapter and the Thousand Sons were known to have a large number of Psykers in their legion, as well as having a fetish for various flavours of knowledge. Also, the Thousand Sons' pre-heresy colours are strikingly similar to the Blood Ravens', the only difference is that instead of a white trim, the Blood Ravens use black, but the armour's overall colour and their helmet's visor colour are virtually the same.		And note that the Blood Ravens have no idea which legion or chapter they originally came from and the fact that they produce an unusually higher number of Psykers than your average marine chapter and the Thousand Sons were known to have a large number of Psykers in their legion, as well as having a fetish for various flavours of knowledge. Also, the Thousand Sons' pre-heresy colours are strikingly similar to the Blood Ravens', the only difference is that instead of a white trim, the Blood Ravens use black, but the armour's overall colour and their helmet's visor colour are virtually the same.

	Additionally, certain records were found upon Kronus that alluded to the Chapter's origin, yet Thule had them destroyed. Some suggest that the evidence was so damning as to link them to prove this theory. Alternatively, it may simply be that the records were in fact [[Azariah Kyras]]' perverted [[/d/]]eviant porn and Thule destroyed it because of the sheer amount of extra-heresy it contains that it would drive any lesser man to insanity.		Additionally, certain records were found upon Kronus that alluded to the Chapter's origin, yet Thule had them destroyed. Some suggest that the evidence was so damning as to link them to prove this theory. Alternatively, it may simply be that the records were in fact [[Azariah Kyras]]' perverted [[/d/]]eviant porn stash and Thule destroyed it because of the sheer amount of extra-heresy it contains that it would drive any lesser man to insanity.

	There is some more evidence that the Blood Ravens are a Thousand Sons offshoot in the book ''[[Dawn of War]]: Tempest'', but '''that''' was written by [[C.S. Goto]], so take it with a grain of salt.		There is some more evidence that the Blood Ravens are a Thousand Sons offshoot in the book ''[[Dawn of War]]: Tempest'', but '''that''' was written by [[C.S. Goto]], so take it with a grain of salt.
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	The November 2016 issue of White Dwarf, and later the July 2019 issue, almost explicitly state that Blood Ravens are an offshoot of the Thousand Sons, although the reason why they show no symptoms of the Flesh Change is not explained.		The November 2016 issue of White Dwarf, and later the July 2019 issue, almost explicitly state that Blood Ravens are an offshoot of the Thousand Sons, although the reason why they show no symptoms of the Flesh Change is not explained.

	In 2023 with the release of the newest black book, the ~~siege~~ of Cthonia we have a confirmed loyalist off shoot of ~~the thousand sons~~ who went to ~~terra~~ to be arrested after ~~prospero~~. They got sent to Cthonia ~~with sister~~ of ~~silence wardens watching them~~. ~~During the siege~~ they kick ass and by the ~~end~~ they ~~are still alive and go off with the Imperial fist commander of the siege to go kick ass during~~ the ~~scouring~~.		In 2023 with the release of the newest Horus Heresy black book, the Siege of [[Cthonia]], we have a confirmed loyalist off shoot detachment of Thousand Sons, led by Magister Sul Kontep, who went to Terra to be arrested after the events of Prospero. They got sent to Cthonia accompanied by some [[Sisters of Silence]] as watchdogs. Fortunately, they got to kick plenty of ass and were able to escape the planet alongside [[Imperial Fists]] Castellan Evander Garrius. It's also said that they've survived as far as the Scouring.

	{{topquote\|Rather nice chaps, I thought.\|Brother-Captain Jefferies, Classy Marines Fourth Company}}		{{topquote\|Rather nice chaps, I thought.\|Brother-Captain Jefferies, Classy Marines Fourth Company}}

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	The November 2016 issue of White Dwarf, and later the July 2019 issue, almost explicitly state that Blood Ravens are an offshoot of the Thousand Sons, although the reason why they show no symptoms of the Flesh Change is not explained.		The November 2016 issue of White Dwarf, and later the July 2019 issue, almost explicitly state that Blood Ravens are an offshoot of the Thousand Sons, although the reason why they show no symptoms of the Flesh Change is not explained.

			In 2023 with the release of the newest black book, the siege of Cthonia we have a confirmed loyalist off shoot of the thousand sons who went to terra to be arrested after prospero. They got sent to Cthonia with sister of silence wardens watching them. During the siege they kick ass and by the end they are still alive and go off with the Imperial fist commander of the siege to go kick ass during the scouring.

	{{topquote\|Rather nice chaps, I thought.\|Brother-Captain Jefferies, Classy Marines Fourth Company}}		{{topquote\|Rather nice chaps, I thought.\|Brother-Captain Jefferies, Classy Marines Fourth Company}}

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	*'''Cult of Prophecy:''' These guys are guided by the incessant whispers that bleed from the warp. They divine the outcomes of multiple futures, and seek out events that can be twisted to their own purpose.		*'''Cult of Prophecy:''' These guys are guided by the incessant whispers that bleed from the warp. They divine the outcomes of multiple futures, and seek out events that can be twisted to their own purpose.
	*'''Cult of Time:''' They view the flow of time as an unwrought resource that can be shaped into a weapon. By their victories, ripples are sent both forwards and backwards in time, so that their enemies may be defeated before they are even engaged. One particularly cool example of a Time Sorcerer is when a squad of Imperial Fists were [[Troll\|forced to relive the same events over and over until all of them died]].		*'''Cult of Time:''' They view the flow of time as an unwrought resource that can be shaped into a weapon. By their victories, ripples are sent both forwards and backwards in time, so that their enemies may be defeated before they are even engaged. One particularly cool example of a Time Sorcerer is when a squad of Imperial Fists were [[Troll\|forced to relive the same events over and over until all of them died]].
	*'''Cult of Mutation:''' They embrace the warping of flesh, and also the warping of reality itself. By their hand civilised planets are transformed into Daemon worlds, and entire populations moulded into grotesque abominations and various assorted gribblies.		*'''Cult of Mutation:''' They embrace the warping of flesh, and also the warping of reality itself. By their hand civilised planets are transformed into Daemon worlds, and entire populations moulded into grotesque abominations and various assorted gribblies.
	*'''Cult of Scheming:''' To them, the creation of convoluted plots is to them a form of profane worship. Every conquest and withdrawal is a perfectly planned manoeuvre, a single step that leads towards some unseen master stroke. Naturally, the phrase [[Just As Planned]] applies most naturally to these guys.		*'''Cult of Scheming:''' To them, the creation of convoluted plots is to them a form of profane worship. Every conquest and withdrawal is a perfectly planned manoeuvre, a single step that leads towards some unseen master stroke. Naturally, the phrase [[Just As Planned]] applies most naturally to these guys.
	*'''Cult of Magic:''' Dedicated to the pure and unfettered use of sorcery, their bloody campaigns are launched to secure arcane objects held by Imperial, xenos and other Chaos forces, making them part Tomb Raider part Space Wizard. These artefacts are used as foci in the weaving of devastating spells.		*'''Cult of Magic:''' Dedicated to the pure and unfettered use of sorcery, their bloody campaigns are launched to secure arcane objects held by Imperial, xenos and other Chaos forces, making them part Tomb Raider part Space Wizard. These artefacts are used as foci in the weaving of devastating spells.

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	During the next bit of the Crusade, the TSons, now rid of their Warp pimples, started to show their faces in public again. They struck up a friendship with the [[White Scars]] Legion and their Primarch [[Jaghatai Khan]]. Both Legions respected scholarship, and both had a significant number of trained psykers in their Legions who were present even before the Librarius initiative. The primary difference between the two was that the Khan and his sons possessed common sense and restraint, while Magnus and his possessed neither. Despite this difference in how they approached the Warp, their Legions got on swimmingly, and together they would become the backbone of the Librarius project. This project's idea was that, as all the Legions had psychically sensitive Astartes, it made sense to formalize some system of training for them so that they didn't spontaneously explode amongst their battle-brothers. So the Khan, Sanguinius, and particularly Magnus, began exporting some of the training regiments that the psykers of their own Legions used to their brothers. The idea quickly caught on with many of the other Primarchs, though they ran the gambit between loving the idea and thinking it was outright abominable. Some, like Guilliman, thought it was a splendid idea to not only introduce some order to a pretty random element of the Legions (Guilliman loves his order after all), but to render unto the Legions yet another exceedingly useful tool. Others, like Konrad Curze, greeted the idea with total indifference. Still others, chief amongst them Mortarion, hated the idea so much that they refused to allow any Astartes in their Legion to practice Warpcraft. As such, no consensus was ever reached amongst the Primarchs as to whether the Librarius should be adopted wholescale, and so each Legion just did its own thing as per usual. Most did adopt the Librarius structure however.		During the next bit of the Crusade, the TSons, now rid of their Warp pimples, started to show their faces in public again. They struck up a friendship with the [[White Scars]] Legion and their Primarch [[Jaghatai Khan]]. Both Legions respected scholarship, and both had a significant number of trained psykers in their Legions who were present even before the Librarius initiative. The primary difference between the two was that the Khan and his sons possessed common sense and restraint, while Magnus and his possessed neither. Despite this difference in how they approached the Warp, their Legions got on swimmingly, and together they would become the backbone of the Librarius project. This project's idea was that, as all the Legions had psychically sensitive Astartes, it made sense to formalize some system of training for them so that they didn't spontaneously explode amongst their battle-brothers. So the Khan, Sanguinius, and particularly Magnus, began exporting some of the training regiments that the psykers of their own Legions used to their brothers. The idea quickly caught on with many of the other Primarchs, though they ran the gambit between loving the idea and thinking it was outright abominable. Some, like Guilliman, thought it was a splendid idea to not only introduce some order to a pretty random element of the Legions (Guilliman loves his order after all), but to render unto the Legions yet another exceedingly useful tool. Others, like Konrad Curze, greeted the idea with total indifference. Still others, chief amongst them Mortarion, hated the idea so much that they refused to allow any Astartes in their Legion to practice Warpcraft. As such, no consensus was ever reached amongst the Primarchs as to whether the Librarius should be adopted wholescale, and so each Legion just did its own thing as per usual. Most did adopt the Librarius structure however.

	Though Sanguinius was involved in the initiative's inception, he seemingly had no particularly close relationship with either Magnus or the Khan (though to be fair, a mere acquaintance with Sanguinius had the same level of comradery as close friendship with most other Primarchs). Similarly, the Blood Angels seemed not to have had a close relationship with the TSons, though the two Legions were perfectly cordial towards one another. The Scars would later go on to become the only known Sworn Brothers of the Thousand Sons, and this close bond lasted until the Burning of Prospero. For some completely unknown reason, the TSons and Alpha Legion apparently absolutely hated each other. As in even the Space Wolves were willing to at least ''work'' with the TSons, but the Alpha Legion hated the TSons as much as the Death Guard did, and nobody is quite sure why. Additionally, that animosity was reciprocated just as strongly, again without any public facing reason. One of the theories about this (though unconfirmed) is that the Alpha Legion may have discovered the existence of the Flesh Change, as poking their noses into other people's secrets was their bread and butter. It would make sense as to why the Thousand Sons hated them so much; if word ever got out about ''that'', even the Emperor Himself would have had a hard time keeping the TSons from being straight up annihilated by the other Legions. It would also make sense as to why the Alpha Legion shared the TSons' hatred. Knowing that the ~~guy~~ next to you might just turn into [[Chaos Spawn\|the most horrifying collection of asymmetries known to man]] at random would probably have put even the Night Lords off of working with them. Other than that, the Death Guard as previously noted still hated the TSons, the Emperor's Children still hated them, the Space Wolves would grow to hate them, and everyone else, in the short term at least, seemingly kept their low-level annoyance with them. Magnus was personally known to have been at least somewhat close to Perturabo as well (relatively speaking of course), but no mention is made of their Legions having interacted much.		Though Sanguinius was involved in the initiative's inception, he seemingly had no particularly close relationship with either Magnus or the Khan (though to be fair, a mere acquaintance with Sanguinius had the same level of comradery as close friendship with most other Primarchs). Similarly, the Blood Angels seemed not to have had a close relationship with the TSons, though the two Legions were perfectly cordial towards one another. The Scars would later go on to become the only known Sworn Brothers of the Thousand Sons, and this close bond lasted until the Burning of Prospero. For some completely unknown reason, the TSons and Alpha Legion apparently absolutely hated each other. As in even the Space Wolves were willing to at least ''work'' with the TSons, but the Alpha Legion hated the TSons as much as the Death Guard did, and nobody is quite sure why. Additionally, that animosity was reciprocated just as strongly, again without any public facing reason. One of the theories about this (though unconfirmed) is that the Alpha Legion may have discovered the existence of the Flesh Change, as poking their noses into other people's secrets was their bread and butter. It would make sense as to why the Thousand Sons hated them so much; if word ever got out about ''that'', even the Emperor Himself would have had a hard time keeping the TSons from being straight up annihilated by the other Legions. It would also make sense as to why the Alpha Legion shared the TSons' hatred. Knowing that the TSon next to you might just turn into [[Chaos Spawn\|the most horrifying collection of asymmetries known to man]] at random would probably have put even the Night Lords off of working with them. Other than that, the Death Guard as previously noted still hated the TSons, the Emperor's Children still hated them, the Space Wolves would grow to hate them, and everyone else, in the short term at least, seemingly kept their low-level annoyance with them. Magnus was personally known to have been at least somewhat close to Perturabo as well (relatively speaking of course), but no mention is made of their Legions having interacted much.

	However, the Thousands Sons' luck ran out eventually. After some decades of Crusading, Magnus and his Legion were called to the [[Council of Nikaea]]: a grand gathering of the Emperor and most of His sons to decide if the Astartes should be allowed to use warp based abilities unsupervised. Magnus attended Council in high spirits, thinking that it was going to be an neutral, scholastic conclave where he would be allowed to extol the virtues of unrestricted psykers. What he didn't count on was that the Thousand Sons, and Magnus in particular, had managed to piss off a ''lot'' of the other Astartes Legions and their Primarchs. Even those Primarchs who supported the Librarius initiative couldn't really defend the Thousand Sons rampant use of Warp powers or Magnus's general attitude. A few of them even sent representatives who were told to support the continuation of the Librarius, but condemn Magnus in particular. Dorn and the Lion were foremost amongst them, though they gave no particular reason as to why. Rather than being an open forum, the whole thing essentially turned into a trial of Magnus and the TSons. One in which they had few friends, but seemingly more than their fair share of enemies.		However, the Thousands Sons' luck ran out eventually. After some decades of Crusading, Magnus and his Legion were called to the [[Council of Nikaea]]: a grand gathering of the Emperor and most of His sons to decide if the Astartes should be allowed to use warp based abilities unsupervised. Magnus attended Council in high spirits, thinking that it was going to be an neutral, scholastic conclave where he would be allowed to extol the virtues of unrestricted psykers. What he didn't count on was that the Thousand Sons, and Magnus in particular, had managed to piss off a ''lot'' of the other Astartes Legions and their Primarchs. Even those Primarchs who supported the Librarius initiative couldn't really defend the Thousand Sons rampant use of Warp powers or Magnus's general attitude. A few of them even sent representatives who were told to support the continuation of the Librarius, but condemn Magnus in particular. Dorn and the Lion were foremost amongst them, though they gave no particular reason as to why. Rather than being an open forum, the whole thing essentially turned into a trial of Magnus and the TSons. One in which they had few friends, but seemingly more than their fair share of enemies.

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	With his Legion quickly running out of time, and no solutions forthcoming, Magnus began to grow truly desperate. Then one day, deep in psychic meditation, he [[Just as Planned\|happened upon]] the [[Tzeentch\|The Cuttlefish of Cthulhu]] giggling away in the depths of the Warp. As previously mentioned, Magnus apparently made some sort of pact with Tzeentch without truly understanding what Tzeentch was, and certainly not that he had been responsible for the Flesh Change in the first place. It is also not known for sure how or why Magnus thought that dealing with Tzeentch would fix anything, though his reasoning may have been slightly sinister. Or just unfathomably stupid, and [[EPIC FAIL\|get used to that bit of irony when it comes to Magnus and his boys]]. It is speculated by some that Magnus ''did'' in fact have some small idea of what Tzeentch was when he dealt with him. Not that he was the practically omnipotent, omniscient god of [[Just as Planned\|aetheric dickery]], but that he was a phenomenally powerful, exceedingly dangerous, denizen of the Immaterium. One that, incidentally, Magnus probably knew full well not to screw with. But desperate, out of options, and arrogant as ever, he struck his bargain, and the rest is history. Tzeentch seemingly agreed to whatever pact Magnus had presented or pretended to lose whatever wager he had proposed, and so the Flesh Change would quiet down for a while. Magnus wasted no time thereafter in reorganizing his Legion to his exacting specifications, forming an extremely esoteric system of ranks and divisions of expertise that rivaled even the Dark Angels for sheer inscrutability (though honestly neither system was ''that'' complicated, even if Magnus and the Lion liked to think otherwise). With their Primarch's genetic material having stabilized their geneseed, the Tzeentchian pact having stopped the Flesh Change, and the ease with which the populace of Prospero could be implanted with the TSons geneseed, things started genuinely looking up for the Nerdstartes.		With his Legion quickly running out of time, and no solutions forthcoming, Magnus began to grow truly desperate. Then one day, deep in psychic meditation, he [[Just as Planned\|happened upon]] the [[Tzeentch\|The Cuttlefish of Cthulhu]] giggling away in the depths of the Warp. As previously mentioned, Magnus apparently made some sort of pact with Tzeentch without truly understanding what Tzeentch was, and certainly not that he had been responsible for the Flesh Change in the first place. It is also not known for sure how or why Magnus thought that dealing with Tzeentch would fix anything, though his reasoning may have been slightly sinister. Or just unfathomably stupid, and [[EPIC FAIL\|get used to that bit of irony when it comes to Magnus and his boys]]. It is speculated by some that Magnus ''did'' in fact have some small idea of what Tzeentch was when he dealt with him. Not that he was the practically omnipotent, omniscient god of [[Just as Planned\|aetheric dickery]], but that he was a phenomenally powerful, exceedingly dangerous, denizen of the Immaterium. One that, incidentally, Magnus probably knew full well not to screw with. But desperate, out of options, and arrogant as ever, he struck his bargain, and the rest is history. Tzeentch seemingly agreed to whatever pact Magnus had presented or pretended to lose whatever wager he had proposed, and so the Flesh Change would quiet down for a while. Magnus wasted no time thereafter in reorganizing his Legion to his exacting specifications, forming an extremely esoteric system of ranks and divisions of expertise that rivaled even the Dark Angels for sheer inscrutability (though honestly neither system was ''that'' complicated, even if Magnus and the Lion liked to think otherwise). With their Primarch's genetic material having stabilized their geneseed, the Tzeentchian pact having stopped the Flesh Change, and the ease with which the populace of Prospero could be implanted with the TSons geneseed, things started genuinely looking up for the Nerdstartes.

	During the next bit of the Crusade, the TSons, now rid of their Warp pimples, started to show their faces in public again. They struck up a friendship with the [[White Scars]] Legion and their Primarch [[Jaghatai Khan]]. Both Legions respected scholarship, and both had a significant number of trained psykers in their Legions who were present even before the Librarius initiative. The primary difference between the two was that the Khan and his sons possessed common sense and restraint, while Magnus and his possessed neither. Despite this ~~minor~~ difference in how they approached the Warp, their Legions got on swimmingly, and together they would become the backbone of the Librarius project. This project's idea was that, as all the Legions had psychically sensitive Astartes, it made sense to formalize some system of training for them so that they didn't spontaneously explode amongst their battle-brothers. So the Khan, Sanguinius, and particularly Magnus, began exporting some of the training regiments that the psykers of their own Legions used to their brothers. The idea quickly caught on with many of the other Primarchs, though they ran the gambit between loving the idea and thinking it was outright abominable. Some, like Guilliman, thought it was a splendid idea to not only introduce some order to a pretty random element of the Legions (Guilliman loves his order after all), but to render unto the Legions yet another exceedingly useful tool. Others, like Konrad Curze, greeted the idea with total indifference. Still others, chief amongst them Mortarion, hated the idea so much that they refused to allow any Astartes in their Legion to practice Warpcraft. As such, no consensus was ever reached amongst the Primarchs as to whether the Librarius should be adopted wholescale, and so each Legion just did its own thing as per usual. Most did adopt the Librarius structure however.		During the next bit of the Crusade, the TSons, now rid of their Warp pimples, started to show their faces in public again. They struck up a friendship with the [[White Scars]] Legion and their Primarch [[Jaghatai Khan]]. Both Legions respected scholarship, and both had a significant number of trained psykers in their Legions who were present even before the Librarius initiative. The primary difference between the two was that the Khan and his sons possessed common sense and restraint, while Magnus and his possessed neither. Despite this difference in how they approached the Warp, their Legions got on swimmingly, and together they would become the backbone of the Librarius project. This project's idea was that, as all the Legions had psychically sensitive Astartes, it made sense to formalize some system of training for them so that they didn't spontaneously explode amongst their battle-brothers. So the Khan, Sanguinius, and particularly Magnus, began exporting some of the training regiments that the psykers of their own Legions used to their brothers. The idea quickly caught on with many of the other Primarchs, though they ran the gambit between loving the idea and thinking it was outright abominable. Some, like Guilliman, thought it was a splendid idea to not only introduce some order to a pretty random element of the Legions (Guilliman loves his order after all), but to render unto the Legions yet another exceedingly useful tool. Others, like Konrad Curze, greeted the idea with total indifference. Still others, chief amongst them Mortarion, hated the idea so much that they refused to allow any Astartes in their Legion to practice Warpcraft. As such, no consensus was ever reached amongst the Primarchs as to whether the Librarius should be adopted wholescale, and so each Legion just did its own thing as per usual. Most did adopt the Librarius structure however.

	Though Sanguinius was involved in the initiative's inception, he seemingly had no particularly close relationship with either Magnus or the Khan (though to be fair, a mere acquaintance with Sanguinius had the same level of comradery as close friendship with most other Primarchs). Similarly, the Blood Angels seemed not to have had a close relationship with the TSons, though the two Legions were perfectly cordial towards one another. The Scars would later go on to become the only known Sworn Brothers of the Thousand Sons, and this close bond lasted until the Burning of Prospero. For some completely unknown reason, the TSons and Alpha Legion apparently absolutely hated each other. As in even the Space Wolves were willing to at least ''work'' with the TSons, but the Alpha Legion hated the TSons as much as the Death Guard did, and nobody is quite sure why. Additionally, that animosity was reciprocated just as strongly, again without any public facing reason. One of the theories about this (though unconfirmed) is that the Alpha Legion may have discovered the existence of the Flesh Change, as poking their noses into other people's secrets was their bread and butter. It would make sense as to why the Thousand Sons hated them so much; if word ever got out about ''that'', even the Emperor Himself would have had a hard time keeping the TSons from being straight up annihilated by the other Legions. It would also make sense as to why the Alpha Legion shared the TSons' hatred. Knowing that the guy next to you might just turn into [[Chaos Spawn\|the most horrifying collection of asymmetries known to man]] at random would probably have put even the Night Lords off of working with them. Other than that, the Death Guard as previously noted still hated the TSons, the Emperor's Children still hated them, the Space Wolves would grow to hate them, and everyone else, in the short term at least, seemingly kept their low-level annoyance with them. Magnus was personally known to have been at least somewhat close to Perturabo as well (relatively speaking of course), but no mention is made of their Legions having interacted much.		Though Sanguinius was involved in the initiative's inception, he seemingly had no particularly close relationship with either Magnus or the Khan (though to be fair, a mere acquaintance with Sanguinius had the same level of comradery as close friendship with most other Primarchs). Similarly, the Blood Angels seemed not to have had a close relationship with the TSons, though the two Legions were perfectly cordial towards one another. The Scars would later go on to become the only known Sworn Brothers of the Thousand Sons, and this close bond lasted until the Burning of Prospero. For some completely unknown reason, the TSons and Alpha Legion apparently absolutely hated each other. As in even the Space Wolves were willing to at least ''work'' with the TSons, but the Alpha Legion hated the TSons as much as the Death Guard did, and nobody is quite sure why. Additionally, that animosity was reciprocated just as strongly, again without any public facing reason. One of the theories about this (though unconfirmed) is that the Alpha Legion may have discovered the existence of the Flesh Change, as poking their noses into other people's secrets was their bread and butter. It would make sense as to why the Thousand Sons hated them so much; if word ever got out about ''that'', even the Emperor Himself would have had a hard time keeping the TSons from being straight up annihilated by the other Legions. It would also make sense as to why the Alpha Legion shared the TSons' hatred. Knowing that the guy next to you might just turn into [[Chaos Spawn\|the most horrifying collection of asymmetries known to man]] at random would probably have put even the Night Lords off of working with them. Other than that, the Death Guard as previously noted still hated the TSons, the Emperor's Children still hated them, the Space Wolves would grow to hate them, and everyone else, in the short term at least, seemingly kept their low-level annoyance with them. Magnus was personally known to have been at least somewhat close to Perturabo as well (relatively speaking of course), but no mention is made of their Legions having interacted much.

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	As time passed, the Thousand Sons became more and more skilled and powerful with their psychic abilities, but it came with a significant price. They began, in ever increasing numbers, to suffer from an utterly horrific condition known as the Flesh Change. At its most basic, it was an instantaneous mutation into a [[Chaos Spawn\|That-Which-Shall-Not-Be-Named]] that seemed to have exceedingly limited predictability in both onset and predisposition. From the very first case onward, even the TSons could see that their use of Warp sorcery was clearly one of the factors that was either causing or exacerbating this problem. However, the TSons arrogantly saw their powers as their indisputable right to wield, and doubled and tripled down on their usage. Needless to say, this put them in a very precarious position. They had initially alienated most of the other Legions by being asshats, and then the realization that they were all psykers had turned that dislike to hatred for many. Now, they were literally turning into half-transformed ''The Thing'' entities at random. If anyone found out about their degeneration, half the Imperium would be calling for their outright extermination, while the other half would look on with tepid support for these calls. As such, they did everything they could to hide the Flesh Change. But the problem would only grow worse over time due both to the Thousand Sons using ever increasing amounts of Warp sorcery, and the near completely random nature of the mutations' onset. So the only way to keep their secret was to just stay away from literally anyone who might report them. Part of this meant that TSons in active war zones would oftentimes just up and leave without explanation (the actual reason being they suspected the Flesh Change coming on but were obviously not going to tell anyone). This just made everyone dislike them even more due to how unreliable they started becoming for no apparent reason. It was all for naught however, as Malcador's agents, along with the Divisios Telepathica and Biologis, eventually all found out anyway. They all concluded the fairly obvious; the Flesh Change was a series of mutations brought on by a combination of some genetic flaw in the Legion's geneseed combined with their use of Warp sorcery. The bulk of the transformations had occurred while Legionaries had been using their powers, and the usage of Warp energies in general was well known to cause horrific mutations. But rather bizarrely for the most arguably nerdy of all the Legions, no matter how obvious it became that their sorcery was either the root of, or horribly exacerbating, the Flesh Change, the TSons pridefully continued to use their powers. It got so bad that when their Primarch Magnus was found upon Prospero, there were only (ironically) about a thousand of them left. One important thing to note however was that none of the other Astartes Legions seemingly discovered the existence of the Flesh Change, or [[Alpha Legion\|if they perhaps did]], they kept it to themselves. So all things considered, the TSons actually did a remarkably good job of hiding their tendency to turn into literal '''NOPE''' at the tip of a hat. The Emperor, who would obviously have known about the Flesh Change since Malcador knew, also never decided to have them destroyed, or even told them to tone down the Warp phuckery just a bit. One would think He might have, given the time and effort it took to make them. But the Emperor was, despite all His genius, bizarrely detached from certain, seemingly important aspects of His Imperium.		As time passed, the Thousand Sons became more and more skilled and powerful with their psychic abilities, but it came with a significant price. They began, in ever increasing numbers, to suffer from an utterly horrific condition known as the Flesh Change. At its most basic, it was an instantaneous mutation into a [[Chaos Spawn\|That-Which-Shall-Not-Be-Named]] that seemed to have exceedingly limited predictability in both onset and predisposition. From the very first case onward, even the TSons could see that their use of Warp sorcery was clearly one of the factors that was either causing or exacerbating this problem. However, the TSons arrogantly saw their powers as their indisputable right to wield, and doubled and tripled down on their usage. Needless to say, this put them in a very precarious position. They had initially alienated most of the other Legions by being asshats, and then the realization that they were all psykers had turned that dislike to hatred for many. Now, they were literally turning into half-transformed ''The Thing'' entities at random. If anyone found out about their degeneration, half the Imperium would be calling for their outright extermination, while the other half would look on with tepid support for these calls. As such, they did everything they could to hide the Flesh Change. But the problem would only grow worse over time due both to the Thousand Sons using ever increasing amounts of Warp sorcery, and the near completely random nature of the mutations' onset. So the only way to keep their secret was to just stay away from literally anyone who might report them. Part of this meant that TSons in active war zones would oftentimes just up and leave without explanation (the actual reason being they suspected the Flesh Change coming on but were obviously not going to tell anyone). This just made everyone dislike them even more due to how unreliable they started becoming for no apparent reason.

			It was all for naught however, as Malcador's agents, along with the Divisios Telepathica and Biologis, eventually all found out anyway. They all concluded the fairly obvious; the Flesh Change was a series of mutations brought on by a combination of some genetic flaw in the Legion's geneseed combined with their use of Warp sorcery. The bulk of the transformations had occurred while Legionaries had been using their powers, and the usage of Warp energies in general was well known to cause horrific mutations. But rather bizarrely for the most arguably nerdy of all the Legions, no matter how obvious it became that their sorcery was either the root of, or horribly exacerbating, the Flesh Change, the TSons pridefully continued to use their powers. It got so bad that when their Primarch Magnus was found upon Prospero, there were only (ironically) about a thousand of them left. One important thing to note however was that none of the other Astartes Legions seemingly discovered the existence of the Flesh Change, or [[Alpha Legion\|if they perhaps did]], they kept it to themselves. So all things considered, the TSons actually did a remarkably good job of hiding their tendency to turn into literal '''NOPE''' at the tip of a hat. The Emperor, who would obviously have known about the Flesh Change since Malcador knew, also never decided to have them destroyed, or even told them to tone down the Warp phuckery just a bit. One would think He might have, given the time and effort it took to make them. But the Emperor was, despite all His genius, bizarrely detached from certain, seemingly important aspects of His Imperium.

	Eventually, the Crusade progressed far enough to make planetfall upon Prospero, whereupon Magnus was introduced to his Legion. He was obviously delighted to finally meet his sons but that meeting was sorely tainted by the fact that they basically all had incurable space cancer. Magnus's first priority was obviously to find a way to cure his Legion; if he couldn't he wouldn't ''have'' a Legion much longer. He searched desperately for a way to alleviate the Thousand Sons' problem. He looked through every dataslate the Mechanicum Biologis possessed on psykers, every scroll in Tizca, every xenos tristies on the Warp that he could get his hands on, every scrap of information the Divisio Telepathica could offer. He even pried the brains of Malcador and the Emperor, and still he found no solutions; only infuriating dead ends and paths to nowhere. Of course, just as with the rest of his Legion, it seemingly never occurred to Magnus that maybe constantly channeling the most intensely mutagenic thing in existence through one's body might have had something to do with the problem...		Eventually, the Crusade progressed far enough to make planetfall upon Prospero, whereupon Magnus was introduced to his Legion. He was obviously delighted to finally meet his sons but that meeting was sorely tainted by the fact that they basically all had incurable space cancer. Magnus's first priority was obviously to find a way to cure his Legion; if he couldn't he wouldn't ''have'' a Legion much longer. He searched desperately for a way to alleviate the Thousand Sons' problem. He looked through every dataslate the Mechanicum Biologis possessed on psykers, every scroll in Tizca, every xenos tristies on the Warp that he could get his hands on, every scrap of information the Divisio Telepathica could offer. He even pried the brains of Malcador and the Emperor, and still he found no solutions; only infuriating dead ends and paths to nowhere. Of course, just as with the rest of his Legion, it seemingly never occurred to Magnus that maybe constantly channeling the most intensely mutagenic thing in existence through one's body might have had something to do with the problem...

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	Eventually, the Crusade progressed far enough to make planetfall upon Prospero, whereupon Magnus was introduced to his Legion. He was obviously delighted to finally meet his sons but that meeting was sorely tainted by the fact that they basically all had incurable space cancer. Magnus's first priority was obviously to find a way to cure his Legion; if he couldn't he wouldn't ''have'' a Legion much longer. He searched desperately for a way to alleviate the Thousand Sons' problem. He looked through every dataslate the Mechanicum Biologis possessed on psykers, every scroll in Tizca, every xenos tristies on the Warp that he could get his hands on, every scrap of information the Divisio Telepathica could offer. He even pried the brains of Malcador and the Emperor, and still he found no solutions; only infuriating dead ends and paths to nowhere. Of course, just as with the rest of his Legion, it seemingly never occurred to Magnus that maybe constantly channeling the most intensely mutagenic thing in existence through one's body might have had something to do with the problem...		Eventually, the Crusade progressed far enough to make planetfall upon Prospero, whereupon Magnus was introduced to his Legion. He was obviously delighted to finally meet his sons but that meeting was sorely tainted by the fact that they basically all had incurable space cancer. Magnus's first priority was obviously to find a way to cure his Legion; if he couldn't he wouldn't ''have'' a Legion much longer. He searched desperately for a way to alleviate the Thousand Sons' problem. He looked through every dataslate the Mechanicum Biologis possessed on psykers, every scroll in Tizca, every xenos tristies on the Warp that he could get his hands on, every scrap of information the Divisio Telepathica could offer. He even pried the brains of Malcador and the Emperor, and still he found no solutions; only infuriating dead ends and paths to nowhere. Of course, just as with the rest of his Legion, it seemingly never occurred to Magnus that maybe constantly channeling the most intensely mutagenic thing in existence through one's body might have had something to do with the problem...

	With his Legion quickly running out of time, and no solutions forthcoming, Magnus began to grow truly desperate. Then one day, deep in psychic meditation, he [[Just as Planned\|happened upon]] the [[Tzeentch\|The Cuttlefish of Cthulhu]] giggling away in the depths of the Warp. As previously mentioned, Magnus apparently made some sort of pact with Tzeentch without truly understanding what Tzeentch was, and certainly not that he had been responsible for the Flesh Change in the first place. It is also not known for sure how or why Magnus thought that dealing with Tzeentch would fix anything, though his reasoning may have been slightly sinister. Or just unfathomably stupid, and [[EPIC FAIL\|get used to that bit of irony when it comes to Magnus and his boys]]. It is speculated by some that Magnus ''did'' in fact have some small idea of what Tzeentch was when he dealt with him. Not that he was the practically omnipotent, omniscient god of [[Just as Planned\|aetheric dickery]], but that he was a phenomenally powerful, exceedingly dangerous, denizen of the Immaterium. One that, incidentally, Magnus probably knew full well not to screw with. But desperate, out of options, and arrogant as ever, he struck his bargain, and the rest is history. Tzeentch seemingly agreed to whatever pact Magnus had presented or pretended to lose whatever wager he had proposed, and so the Flesh Change would quiet down for a while. Magnus wasted no time thereafter in reorganizing his Legion to his exacting specifications, forming an extremely esoteric system of ranks and divisions of expertise that rivaled even the Dark Angels for sheer inscrutability (though honestly neither system was ''that'' complicated, even if Magnus and the Lion liked to think otherwise). With their Primarch's genetic material having stabilized their geneseed, the Tzeentchian pact having stopped the Flesh Change, and the ease with which the populace of Prospero could be implanted with the TSons geneseed, things started genuinely looking up for the Nerdstartes.		With his Legion quickly running out of time, and no solutions forthcoming, Magnus began to grow truly desperate. Then one day, deep in psychic meditation, he [[Just as Planned\|happened upon]] the [[Tzeentch\|The Cuttlefish of Cthulhu]] giggling away in the depths of the Warp. As previously mentioned, Magnus apparently made some sort of pact with Tzeentch without truly understanding what Tzeentch was, and certainly not that he had been responsible for the Flesh Change in the first place. It is also not known for sure how or why Magnus thought that dealing with Tzeentch would fix anything, though his reasoning may have been slightly sinister. Or just unfathomably stupid, and [[EPIC FAIL\|get used to that bit of irony when it comes to Magnus and his boys]]. It is speculated by some that Magnus ''did'' in fact have some small idea of what Tzeentch was when he dealt with him. Not that he was the practically omnipotent, omniscient god of [[Just as Planned\|aetheric dickery]], but that he was a phenomenally powerful, exceedingly dangerous, denizen of the Immaterium. One that, incidentally, Magnus probably knew full well not to screw with. But desperate, out of options, and arrogant as ever, he struck his bargain, and the rest is history. Tzeentch seemingly agreed to whatever pact Magnus had presented or pretended to lose whatever wager he had proposed, and so the Flesh Change would quiet down for a while. Magnus wasted no time thereafter in reorganizing his Legion to his exacting specifications, forming an extremely esoteric system of ranks and divisions of expertise that rivaled even the Dark Angels for sheer inscrutability (though honestly neither system was ''that'' complicated, even if Magnus and the Lion liked to think otherwise). With their Primarch's genetic material having stabilized their geneseed, the Tzeentchian pact having stopped the Flesh Change, and the ease with which the populace of Prospero could be implanted with the TSons geneseed, things started genuinely looking up for the Nerdstartes.

	During the next bit of the Crusade, the TSons, now rid of their Warp pimples, started to show their faces in public again. They struck up a friendship with the [[White Scars]] Legion and their Primarch [[Jaghatai Khan]]. Both Legions respected scholarship, and both had a significant number of trained psykers in their Legions who were present even before the Librarius initiative. The primary difference between the two was that the Khan and his sons possessed common sense and restraint, while Magnus and his possessed neither. Despite this minor difference in how they approached the Warp, their Legions got on swimmingly, and together they would become the backbone of the Librarius project. This project's idea was that, as all the Legions had psychically sensitive Astartes, it made sense to formalize some system of training for them so that they didn't spontaneously explode amongst their battle-brothers. So the Khan, Sanguinius, and particularly Magnus, began exporting some of the training regiments that the psykers of their own Legions used to their brothers. The idea quickly caught on with many of the other Primarchs, though they ran the gambit between loving the idea and thinking it was outright abominable. Some, like Guilliman, thought it was a splendid idea to not only introduce some order to a pretty random element of the Legions (Guilliman loves his order after all), but to render unto the Legions yet another exceedingly useful tool. Others, like Konrad Curze, greeted the idea with total indifference. Still others, chief amongst them Mortarion, hated the idea so much that they refused to allow any Astartes in their Legion to practice Warpcraft. As such, no consensus was ever reached amongst the Primarchs as to whether the Librarius should be adopted wholescale, and so each Legion just did its own thing as per usual. Most did adopt the Librarius structure however.		During the next bit of the Crusade, the TSons, now rid of their Warp pimples, started to show their faces in public again. They struck up a friendship with the [[White Scars]] Legion and their Primarch [[Jaghatai Khan]]. Both Legions respected scholarship, and both had a significant number of trained psykers in their Legions who were present even before the Librarius initiative. The primary difference between the two was that the Khan and his sons possessed common sense and restraint, while Magnus and his possessed neither. Despite this minor difference in how they approached the Warp, their Legions got on swimmingly, and together they would become the backbone of the Librarius project. This project's idea was that, as all the Legions had psychically sensitive Astartes, it made sense to formalize some system of training for them so that they didn't spontaneously explode amongst their battle-brothers. So the Khan, Sanguinius, and particularly Magnus, began exporting some of the training regiments that the psykers of their own Legions used to their brothers. The idea quickly caught on with many of the other Primarchs, though they ran the gambit between loving the idea and thinking it was outright abominable. Some, like Guilliman, thought it was a splendid idea to not only introduce some order to a pretty random element of the Legions (Guilliman loves his order after all), but to render unto the Legions yet another exceedingly useful tool. Others, like Konrad Curze, greeted the idea with total indifference. Still others, chief amongst them Mortarion, hated the idea so much that they refused to allow any Astartes in their Legion to practice Warpcraft. As such, no consensus was ever reached amongst the Primarchs as to whether the Librarius should be adopted wholescale, and so each Legion just did its own thing as per usual. Most did adopt the Librarius structure however.