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	===Total War: Pharaoh===		===Total War: Pharaoh===
	The latest game taking place during the Bronze Age Collapse featuring the Egyptians, Canaanites, Hittites and ~~dependingon~~ the exact boundaries used to define the Bronze Age Collapse, the Greeks and Trojans might make an appearance though they are unconfirmed of now. The first pure historical game in the franchise to come out in a long time with no single entity units or fantasy elements. Not much else is known now (even the trailer is 80% a dung beetle rolling around actual shit.)		The latest game taking place during the [[Bronze Age]] Collapse featuring the Egyptians, Canaanites, Hittites, and depending on the exact boundaries used to define the Bronze Age Collapse, the Greeks and Trojans might make an appearance though they are unconfirmed of now. The first pure historical game in the franchise to come out in a long time with no single entity units or fantasy elements. Not much else is known now (even the trailer is 80% a dung beetle rolling around actual shit.)

2607:FB90:331F:1B88:AC39:65F1:5022:D23B: /* Total War: Pharaoh */

2023-05-23T22:58:34Z

Total War: Pharaoh

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	===Total War: Pharaoh===		===Total War: Pharaoh===
	The latest game taking place during the Bronze Age Collapse featuring the Egyptians, Canaanites, and ~~Hittites~~. The first pure historical game in the franchise to come out in a long time with no single entity units or fantasy elements. Not much else is known now (even the trailer is 80% a dung beetle rolling around actual shit.)		The latest game taking place during the Bronze Age Collapse featuring the Egyptians, Canaanites, Hittites and dependingon the exact boundaries used to define the Bronze Age Collapse, the Greeks and Trojans might make an appearance though they are unconfirmed of now. The first pure historical game in the franchise to come out in a long time with no single entity units or fantasy elements. Not much else is known now (even the trailer is 80% a dung beetle rolling around actual shit.)

1d4chan>SIRUNKLYDUNK: /* Total War Saga: Troy */

2023-05-23T20:22:12Z

Total War Saga: Troy

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	===Total War Saga: Troy===		===Total War Saga: Troy===
	~~The most recent Total War game, this one taking~~ place during the semi-historical Trojan War in late [[Bronze Age]]. They take a "truth in the myth" approach to the legends, which means [[Fail\|no minotaurs]] but instead a huge hairy man wearing an oxen skull and a bronze axe. Needless to say, [[Skub\|this has led to some amount of debate.]] Larger-than-life heroes like Ulysses, Hector and Achilles can duel each other a la Three Kingdoms, though with less restrictions.		Taking place during the semi-historical Trojan War in late [[Bronze Age]]. They take a "truth in the myth" approach to the legends, which means [[Fail\|no minotaurs]] but instead a huge hairy man wearing an oxen skull and a bronze axe. Needless to say, [[Skub\|this has led to some amount of debate.]] Larger-than-life heroes like Ulysses, Hector and Achilles can duel each other a la Three Kingdoms, though with less restrictions.

	Gameplay-wise, the game is very divisive. It's generally agreed to have a ''very'' good campaign; with tonnes of unique systems, such as a resource system that is much more hands-on than the previous gold-only system, interesting faction diversity between the three cultural groups (including by far the best horde campaign experience ever in the series with Penthesilea), a favor of the gods system which had Warhammer's Chaos and Norsca players salivating for it, some amazing atmosphere thanks to the surreal Greek-styled artistry of the campaign map, and actually some of the best designed battle maps in the series. On the other hand, the game was ''really'' buggy, has very hit or miss battle-gameplay (overpowered chariots almost ruined it on release though they were nerfed, and infantry can disengage from combat much easier...at the cost of them being able to actually move through enemy units while in combat with them) with some baffling decisions in regards to the aforementioned Myth vs. Reality (Minotaurs are singular guys wearing cow skulls...that still kill the shit out of people like they're Warhammer's Legendary Lords).		Gameplay-wise, the game is very divisive. It's generally agreed to have a ''very'' good campaign; with tonnes of unique systems, such as a resource system that is much more hands-on than the previous gold-only system, interesting faction diversity between the three cultural groups (including by far the best horde campaign experience ever in the series with Penthesilea), a favor of the gods system which had Warhammer's Chaos and Norsca players salivating for it, some amazing atmosphere thanks to the surreal Greek-styled artistry of the campaign map, and actually some of the best designed battle maps in the series. On the other hand, the game was ''really'' buggy, has very hit or miss battle-gameplay (overpowered chariots almost ruined it on release though they were nerfed, and infantry can disengage from combat much easier...at the cost of them being able to actually move through enemy units while in combat with them) with some baffling decisions in regards to the aforementioned Myth vs. Reality (Minotaurs are singular guys wearing cow skulls...that still kill the shit out of people like they're Warhammer's Legendary Lords).

	In July 2021, CA announced the ''Mythos'' DLC/expansion, which would add two new modes (a more realistic one that would remove mythical elements entirely, and a Mythos one that would instead play Total War: Greek Age of Mythology edition, such as turning Minotaurs into actual bipedal-bulls minotaurs or giving you charges of god powers as you get the gods to favor you).		In July 2021, CA announced the ''Mythos'' DLC/expansion, which would add two new modes (a more realistic one that would remove mythical elements entirely, and a Mythos one that would instead play Total War: Greek Age of Mythology edition, such as turning Minotaurs into actual bipedal-bulls minotaurs or giving you charges of god powers as you get the gods to favor you).

			===Total War: Pharaoh===
			The latest game taking place during the Bronze Age Collapse featuring the Egyptians, Canaanites, and Hittites. The first pure historical game in the franchise to come out in a long time with no single entity units or fantasy elements. Not much else is known now (even the trailer is 80% a dung beetle rolling around actual shit.)

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192.0.171.102: /* Total War: Shogun II */

2023-01-23T05:52:54Z

Total War: Shogun II

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	Shogun II takes place in Medieval Japan during the Sengoku period, although an expansion called Fall of the Samurai places players in the era of the Meiji Restoration.		Shogun II takes place in Medieval Japan during the Sengoku period, although an expansion called Fall of the Samurai places players in the era of the Meiji Restoration.

	Many see Shogun 2 as the last objectively good Total War title. Complaints were mostly focused on the long load times and the fact there's very little variation between the factions you can play other than their bonuses and start location, although given the period to do anything radically different would have been unfitting. Particularly an event called Realm Divide turned the violence up to eleven: After a certain amount of player expansion, every other clan would unify against you just to deny victory by any means necessary. Put as a method to prevent a snowballing victory, it became a [[Skub]] matter amongst gamers for arbitrarily having pretty much ''all'' of the AI gang up on you to stop you and rather invalidating diplomacy or bothering to make vassals of anyone, though it has some basis in reality with the Sengoku period being full of political backstabbing (though probably not literally everyone else against one clan...) and can be easily worked around with the prior knowledge by getting ''almost'' enough territory to trigger Realm Divide and sitting around building up your armies and stockpiling cash to deal with losing significant territory to the inevitable doomstacks before you place the straw to break the camel's back.		Many see Shogun 2 as the last objectively good Total War title. Complaints were mostly focused on the long load times and the fact there's very little variation between the factions you can play other than their bonuses and start location, although given the period to do anything radically different would have been unfitting. Particularly an event called Realm Divide turned the violence up to eleven: After a certain amount of player expansion, every other clan would unify against you just to deny victory by any means necessary. Put as a method to prevent a snowballing victory, it became a [[Skub]] matter amongst gamers for arbitrarily having pretty much ''all'' of the AI gang up on you to stop you and rather invalidating diplomacy or bothering to make vassals of anyone, though it has some basis in reality with the Sengoku period being full of political backstabbing (though probably not literally everyone else against one clan...) and can be easily worked around with the prior knowledge by getting ''almost'' enough territory to trigger Realm Divide and sitting around building up your armies and stockpiling cash to deal with losing significant territory to the inevitable doomstacks before you place the straw to break the camel's back. Also, this game is where the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6zQ6ZqEqg0 Shamefur Dispray] [[memes]] came from.

	Notably, the game received a second life from the modding community and Steam Workshop support.		Notably, the game received a second life from the modding community and Steam Workshop support.

81.196.97.126: /* Gameplay */

2023-01-10T10:38:30Z

Gameplay

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	*Spear Infantry: Great for bracing and taking down charging cavalry, but only do OK against melee infantry, though use of formations such as [[hoplite\|phalanx]] and other kinds of shieldwalls can even up the odds. Usually best if placed on the flanks. (Which, of course, is strange, considering the fact that the spear was the mainstay of most ancient and medieval armies, as moderately trained blokes armed with a spear, a shield, a helmet, and inexpensive padded jacks/gambesons usually made up the biggest portion of most armies.)		*Spear Infantry: Great for bracing and taking down charging cavalry, but only do OK against melee infantry, though use of formations such as [[hoplite\|phalanx]] and other kinds of shieldwalls can even up the odds. Usually best if placed on the flanks. (Which, of course, is strange, considering the fact that the spear was the mainstay of most ancient and medieval armies, as moderately trained blokes armed with a spear, a shield, a helmet, and inexpensive padded jacks/gambesons usually made up the biggest portion of most armies.)

	*Melee Infantry: The hard heart of your strength. These are used to form the main line most of the time, as well as the reserves, and are absolutely vital in siege assaults due to the inability of spear infantry to use formations on the walls. Usually tanky with decent defensive stats to grind down the enemy and pin them in place for whatever shenanigans you have planned. Good against spear infantry, can hold its own against most cavalry except when charged by shock cavalry ~~or withered down by archers~~. ~~Usually pretty useless vs horse archers except as pincushions~~.		*Melee Infantry: The hard heart of your strength. These are used to form the main line most of the time, as well as the reserves, and are absolutely vital in siege assaults due to the inability of spear infantry to use formations on the walls. Usually tanky with decent defensive stats to grind down the enemy and pin them in place for whatever shenanigans you have planned. Good against spear infantry, can hold its own against most cavalry except when charged by shock cavalry. In games without guns they often come with shields, letting them resist occasional ranged salvos if they come from the front.

	*Shock Infantry: The big blokes with big weapons. Typically armed with huge axes, poleaxes or two handed swords. But can also have other weapons such as sword n board but being bat shit crazy enough to be considered shock infantry regardless. Work as a foot version of shock cavalry and will usually be charging around flanks or bashing their way through infantry lines. Will usually destroy the things they charge and take less micro than shock cavalry since they'll have the numbers to smash through other infantry with a flanking attack (and they are far better suited for siege battles), but with high attack and less defense they are especially vulnerable to archers and cavalry charges themselves.		*Shock Infantry: The big blokes with big weapons. Typically armed with huge axes, poleaxes or two handed swords. But can also have other weapons such as sword n board but being bat shit crazy enough to be considered shock infantry regardless. Work as a foot version of shock cavalry and will usually be charging around flanks or bashing their way through infantry lines. Will usually destroy the things they charge and take less micro than shock cavalry since they'll have the numbers to smash through other infantry with a flanking attack (and they are far better suited for siege battles), but with high attack and less defense they are especially vulnerable to archers and cavalry charges themselves.

1d4chan>Unification: /* Total War: Three Kingdoms */

2022-12-02T18:32:26Z

Total War: Three Kingdoms

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	The DLC "'''Fates Divided'''" will feature tons of free content (units, lords, playable lords and starting positions, mechanics rework, etc) as well as paid content. However, it mostly fixated its theme on the conflict between Cao Cao and Yuan Shao. An interesting note about these two lord's mechanic rework is how their new mechanics are straight "borrowed" from Total War: WARHAMMER, but specifically from the Skaven faction. Cao Cao will be able to use a mechanic called scheme to manipulated his opponent's army, lord or settlements, much like [[Deathmaster Snikch\|Snikch]]'s mechanic. For Yuan Shao, he will be able to improving his infantry's stats just like [[Throt the Unclean\|Throt]] and [[Ikit Claw\|Ikit]]'s mechanic. Due to their changes, the entire DLC can be summarized as a Skaven civil war sets in Cathay. YES. YES.		The DLC "'''Fates Divided'''" will feature tons of free content (units, lords, playable lords and starting positions, mechanics rework, etc) as well as paid content. However, it mostly fixated its theme on the conflict between Cao Cao and Yuan Shao. An interesting note about these two lord's mechanic rework is how their new mechanics are straight "borrowed" from Total War: WARHAMMER, but specifically from the Skaven faction. Cao Cao will be able to use a mechanic called scheme to manipulated his opponent's army, lord or settlements, much like [[Deathmaster Snikch\|Snikch]]'s mechanic. For Yuan Shao, he will be able to improving his infantry's stats just like [[Throt the Unclean\|Throt]] and [[Ikit Claw\|Ikit]]'s mechanic. Due to their changes, the entire DLC can be summarized as a Skaven civil war sets in Cathay. YES. YES.

	Tragically on May 27, CA released a surprise announcement to "moving on" from Total War: Three Kingdom. In other words, there will be no more patches or DLC. They are however working on a new game, based on the Romance of the Three Kingdoms novel (but is not related to the first 3K game). Such sour news pisses off 3K players (as well as those who paid all those DLC) to no end, which made them review bombing the shit out of it on Steam, as well as Total War Warhammer II to a lesser extent, which coupled with threats to review bomb game 3 re-ignited a lot of flame-wars and discussion of "Fantasy" and "Historical" factionalism in the fandom. But hey, at least the soundtrack is free now?		Tragically on May 27, CA released a surprise announcement to "moving on" from Total War: Three Kingdom. In other words, there will be no more patches or DLC, which means there will forever be a [[Rage\|massive hole in the timeline where a DLC for the Battle of Red Cliffs should have been]]. They are however working on a new game, based on the Romance of the Three Kingdoms novel (but is not related to the first 3K game). Such sour news pisses off 3K players (as well as those who paid all those DLC) to no end, which made them review bombing the shit out of it on Steam, as well as Total War Warhammer II to a lesser extent, which coupled with threats to review bomb game 3 re-ignited a lot of flame-wars and discussion of "Fantasy" and "Historical" factionalism in the fandom. But hey, at least the soundtrack is free now?

	===Total War Saga: Troy===		===Total War Saga: Troy===

2601:2C6:500:9930:B163:C508:187A:50FA: /* Total War: Medieval II */

2022-05-24T01:03:48Z

Total War: Medieval II

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	It also includes the kingdoms expansion which adds a bunch of new campaigns to the the game as well as new factions and units. These's the Americas campaign, focusing on the Spanish conquest of the New World in the early 16th century, featuring factions such as the Aztecs, Mayans, Apaches and of course the Spanish led by Hernán Cortés, the Britannia campaign, which focuses on many different crises faced by England in the mid 13th century, featuring the expected England, Scotland, Wales and Irish as the factions but also Norway, the Crusades campaign which focuses on the Third and Fourth Crusade, featuring crusader states, saracen states and the Byzantine Empire as the factions with some surprise visits by the Mongols and Venetians and is also notable for introducing hero units to the series with heroes such as King Richard and Saladin, and the Teutonic campaign, focusing on the Northern Crusades featuring the eternally badass Teutonic knights while also featuring Lithuania, Holy Roman Empire, Poland, Novgorod and most interestingly Denmark, which by conquering certain cities and killing the king of unplayable Norway is capable of creating the Kalmar Union. There's also the Mongols of the Golden Horde the player has to contend with.		It also includes the kingdoms expansion which adds a bunch of new campaigns to the the game as well as new factions and units. These's the Americas campaign, focusing on the Spanish conquest of the New World in the early 16th century, featuring factions such as the Aztecs, Mayans, Apaches and of course the Spanish led by Hernán Cortés, the Britannia campaign, which focuses on many different crises faced by England in the mid 13th century, featuring the expected England, Scotland, Wales and Irish as the factions but also Norway, the Crusades campaign which focuses on the Third and Fourth Crusade, featuring crusader states, saracen states and the Byzantine Empire as the factions with some surprise visits by the Mongols and Venetians and is also notable for introducing hero units to the series with heroes such as King Richard and Saladin, and the Teutonic campaign, focusing on the Northern Crusades featuring the eternally badass Teutonic knights while also featuring Lithuania, Holy Roman Empire, Poland, Novgorod and most interestingly Denmark, which by conquering certain cities and killing the king of unplayable Norway is capable of creating the Kalmar Union. There's also the Mongols of the Golden Horde the player has to contend with.

	The Mongols are featured in the campaign map, they are: A) absolute monsters to fight (as they should be),and B) Not available as a playable campaign faction, only as a custom battle faction. C) motherfucking TIMURIDS. Yes, a second wave of Mongols arrived with cannon-mounted elephants. ELEPHANT TANKS MAN. SERIOUSLY.		The Mongols are featured in the campaign map, they are: A) absolute monsters to fight (as they should be),and B) Not available as a playable campaign faction, only as a custom battle faction. C) motherfucking TIMURIDS. Yes, a second wave of Mongols arrived with <s>cannon-mounted elephants</s> elephant-mounted cannons. ELEPHANT TANKS MAN. SERIOUSLY.

	A big downside to the game is that when playing as a catholic faction (which is most factions), you have to deal with the pope, who can be real annoying to deal with. When fighting against another catholic faction, eventually the Pope will come to tell you that you must stop fighting against your fellow catholics or you will be excommunicated, which is undesirable as not only will it make it more difficult to manage your cities, as your population are not exactly happy about being ruled by an excommunicated king but excommunication also makes it possible for a crusade to be called against you, forcing you to fight the whole catholic christendom. The bad part is that the pope can demand you to stop fighting quite soon after a war has begun, in fact it is sometimes even possible for it to happen the [[RAGE\|very next turn after war was declared]], when you were sieging a city but couldn't yet start the attack as it takes a turn to build siege equipment unless you brought artillery with you.		A big downside to the game is that when playing as a catholic faction (which is most factions), you have to deal with the pope, who can be real annoying to deal with. When fighting against another catholic faction, eventually the Pope will come to tell you that you must stop fighting against your fellow catholics or you will be excommunicated, which is undesirable as not only will it make it more difficult to manage your cities, as your population are not exactly happy about being ruled by an excommunicated king but excommunication also makes it possible for a crusade to be called against you, forcing you to fight the whole catholic christendom. The bad part is that the pope can demand you to stop fighting quite soon after a war has begun, in fact it is sometimes even possible for it to happen the [[RAGE\|very next turn after war was declared]], when you were sieging a city but couldn't yet start the attack as it takes a turn to build siege equipment unless you brought artillery with you.