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	*'''Wood Elves''': If there's any faction capable of rivaling your cavalry charges, it's the Wood Elves. When engaging a mounted Wood Elf army, it really boils down to who gets the best initial engagement. If you can inflict a decisive charge against the Wood Elf cavalry, you'll neuter their offensive presence significantly, if they're not straight up cleaned off the battlefield. With the Wood Elf cavalry gone, you'll have virtually free reign to outmaneuver and slaughter the elves with your cycle charging prowess. Now, when it comes to dealing with the trees, you have several options; magical attacks and/or fire. Peasant Bowmen are a cheap as chips choice that can actually get quite a lot of value against Wood Elves as a whole (as not only are they unarmored, but a majority of them are unshielded as well). Lastly, though you'll need to screen them quite aggressively if you want them to stay online, your Trebuchet, though inaccurate, can blow holes in the Wood Elven front line and archer ranks long before they get into retaliatory range. Just make sure to keep tabs for sneaky vanguard deployments trying to circle around.		*'''Wood Elves''': If there's any faction capable of rivaling your cavalry charges, it's the Wood Elves. When engaging a mounted Wood Elf army, it really boils down to who gets the best initial engagement. If you can inflict a decisive charge against the Wood Elf cavalry, you'll neuter their offensive presence significantly, if they're not straight up cleaned off the battlefield. With the Wood Elf cavalry gone, you'll have virtually free reign to outmaneuver and slaughter the elves with your cycle charging prowess. Now, when it comes to dealing with the trees, you have several options; magical attacks and/or fire. Peasant Bowmen are a cheap as chips choice that can actually get quite a lot of value against Wood Elves as a whole (as not only are they unarmored, but a majority of them are unshielded as well). Lastly, though you'll need to screen them quite aggressively if you want them to stay online, your Trebuchet, though inaccurate, can blow holes in the Wood Elven front line and archer ranks long before they get into retaliatory range. Just make sure to keep tabs for sneaky vanguard deployments trying to circle around.
			*'''The Truth:''' Most of these races are objectively better than Bretonnia. In fact, they are so much better that no one even thinks Bretonnia is a real country and so it's not included in anybody's tier-list.

	===Campaign Strategies===		===Campaign Strategies===

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	*'''Lack of Supply Lines''': While other factions get a percent increase in upkeep for every Lord they recruit, Bretonnia doesn't. Field as many armies as you like! Follow every army with another army consisting entirely of peasants who lack upkeep for some easy battles.		*'''Lack of Supply Lines''': While other factions get a percent increase in upkeep for every Lord they recruit, Bretonnia doesn't. Field as many armies as you like! Follow every army with another army consisting entirely of peasants who lack upkeep for some easy battles.
	**'''Warhammer III''': Sadly this feature is no longer unique to Bretonnia, as the Supply Line mechanic has been cut altogether in the third entry. While this doesn't directly hurt Bretonnia, it is but another example of how dated and powercrept their core mechanics are compared to pretty much the rest of the roster.		**'''Warhammer III''': Sadly this feature is no longer unique to Bretonnia, as the Supply Line mechanic has been cut altogether in the third entry. While this doesn't directly hurt Bretonnia, it is but another example of how dated and powercrept their core mechanics are compared to pretty much the rest of the roster.
			*'''''You are French.'''''

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	*'''Alberic de Bordeleaux''': Your dedicated Anti-large Lord, buffing his army's Knights of the Realm to make them even deadlier against monsters, and Foot Squires to make them actually useful against enemy elite infantry. His '''Trident of Manaan''' gives him the ability to use a water-based Wind spell twice per battle, and greatly reduces attrition damage taken at sea, so feel free to go pirate/black ark hunting with him.		*'''Alberic de Bordeleaux''': Your dedicated Anti-large Lord, buffing his army's Knights of the Realm to make them even deadlier against monsters, and Foot Squires to make them actually useful against enemy elite infantry. His '''Trident of Manaan''' gives him the ability to use a water-based Wind spell twice per battle, and greatly reduces attrition damage taken at sea, so feel free to go pirate/black ark hunting with him.
	:He is the money maker of Bretonnia in the campaign, getting a bonus to trade, especially since he is closest to Ulthuan. His other bonuses reduce recruitment time for cavalry, increase recruit experience for knights, and Knights of the Realm have better melee defense. For most of WH1 and WH2, players would often assign him to sitting next to a big port city like Marienburg since he was more useful for boosting income than he was at fighting.		:He is the money maker of Bretonnia in the campaign, getting a bonus to trade, especially since he is closest to Ulthuan. His other bonuses reduce recruitment time for cavalry, increase recruit experience for knights, and Knights of the Realm have better melee defense. For most of WH1 and WH2, players would often assign him to sitting next to a big port city like Marienburg since he was more useful for boosting income than he was at fighting.
	** In WH3, he got a new faction and a new starting position in Lustria with the possibility of confederating with Brettonia later, similar to Imrik's campaign. If the player doesn't intervene, his AI tends to ally with Marcus Wulfhart and tag team battle everyone else on the continent.		** In WH3, he got a new faction and a new starting position in Lustria with the possibility of confederating with Brettonia later, similar to Imrik's campaign. If the player doesn't intervene, his AI tends to ally with Marcus Wulfhart and tag team battle everyone else on the continent. His Lord Effects also got updated. He now starts with total immunity to sea attrition, increased Melee Defense for his whole army, and that bonus is increased further for Knights of the Realm.
	His Lord Effects got updated. He now starts with total immunity to sea attrition, increased Melee Defense for his whole army, and that bonus is increased further for Knights of the Realm.
	*'''Repanse de Lyonesse''': Bretonnian Jeanne d'Arc, if Jeanne didn't meet a tragic end and lives way, WAY longer. Some 500 years after driving the servants of Chaos from Bretonnia, she now leads an [[Errantry War]] against the [[Tomb Kings\|undead of Nehekhara]] because... reasons (probably because ultra-conservative Bretonnian lords don't want a PEASANT GIRL leading Lyonesse). In combat, she is a Questing Knight lord, being a dedicated infantry slayer and granting bonuses to help your troops win the grind.		*'''Repanse de Lyonesse''': Bretonnian Jeanne d'Arc, if Jeanne didn't meet a tragic end and lives way, WAY longer. Some 500 years after driving the servants of Chaos from Bretonnia, she now leads an [[Errantry War]] against the [[Tomb Kings\|undead of Nehekhara]] because... reasons (probably because ultra-conservative Bretonnian lords don't want a PEASANT GIRL leading Lyonesse). In combat, she is a Questing Knight lord, being a dedicated infantry slayer and granting bonuses to help your troops win the grind.
	:Unfortunately, as an Errantry War faction, she can't confederate with the other Bretonnian lords, but she can with other Errantry factions in the Southlands with little fuss. She is an old faction total war crusader, giving a bonus to peasant units and Questing Knights, refilling their water supply from fort to fort as they purge the desert of filth		:Unfortunately, as an Errantry War faction, she can't confederate with the other Bretonnian lords, but she can with other Errantry factions in the Southlands with little fuss. She is an old faction total war crusader, giving a bonus to peasant units and Questing Knights, refilling their water supply from fort to fort as they purge the desert of filth

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	*'''King Louen Leoncoeur''': Your dedicated Duellist/Tank lord. The Royarch of Bretonnia and a bona fide Grail Knight rumored to have even kissed the Lady of the Lake. Whether this is exactly true or not doesn't matter, in Total War: Warhammer he is an expensive, balls out, wrecking ball of pure Grail Knight awesomeness. There is little that can give him much trouble, he flat out stomps nearly anything and anyone that dares to face him head on. If you like, you can even put him on a royal Hippogryph. Still, very expensive for what he does.		*'''King Louen Leoncoeur''': Your dedicated Duellist/Tank lord. The Royarch of Bretonnia and a bona fide Grail Knight rumored to have even kissed the Lady of the Lake. Whether this is exactly true or not doesn't matter, in Total War: Warhammer he is an expensive, balls out, wrecking ball of pure Grail Knight awesomeness. There is little that can give him much trouble, he flat out stomps nearly anything and anyone that dares to face him head on. If you like, you can even put him on a royal Hippogryph. Still, very expensive for what he does.
	:On the campaign map, he starts in the main Bretonnian faction of Couronne and, more importantly, has all vows already unlocked at the start. his start primes him for a crusade against Marienburg and Norsca.		:On the campaign map, he starts in the main Bretonnian faction of Couronne and, more importantly, has all vows already unlocked at the start. his start primes him for a crusade against Marienburg and Norsca. His Lord Effect gives his entire army a bonus to Leadership and Melee Attack when fighting Chaos forces (Daemons, Norsca, Warriors of Chaos, Beastmen and Chaos Dwarfs).
	*'''The Fay Enchantress''': Your caster Lord wielding the Lore of Life, a buffer/all-rounder caster. Comes with a few buffs, and while she has little armour, she can be surprisingly decent at killing infantry, since her '''Mist of the Lady''' ability deals constant damage to all enemies around her at no cost.		*'''The Fay Enchantress''': Your caster Lord wielding the Lore of Life, a buffer/all-rounder caster. Comes with a few buffs, and while she has little armour, she can be surprisingly decent at killing infantry, since her '''Mist of the Lady''' ability deals constant damage to all enemies around her at no cost.
	:In campaign she starts in the lower half of Bretonnia, being situating around Estalia (currently an Empire clone without mods), the Wood Elves, Dwarfs, Beastmen, [[Grom the Paunch]], and possibly Skaven if they move north. In the early game she can recruit extra peasants and has stronger casualty replenishment, with her personal army focusing on Grail Guardians and Battle Pilgrims.		:In campaign she starts in the lower half of Bretonnia, being situating around Estalia (currently an Empire clone without mods), the Wood Elves, Dwarfs, Beastmen, [[Grom the Paunch]], and possibly Skaven if they move north. In the early game she can recruit extra peasants and has stronger casualty replenishment, with her personal army focusing on Grail Guardians and Battle Pilgrims.
	*'''Alberic de Bordeleaux''': Your dedicated Anti-large Lord, buffing his army's Knights of the Realm to make them even deadlier against monsters, and Foot Squires to make them actually useful against enemy elite infantry. His '''Trident of Manaan''' gives him the ability to use a water-based Wind spell twice per battle, and greatly reduces attrition damage taken at sea, so feel free to go pirate/black ark hunting with him.		*'''Alberic de Bordeleaux''': Your dedicated Anti-large Lord, buffing his army's Knights of the Realm to make them even deadlier against monsters, and Foot Squires to make them actually useful against enemy elite infantry. His '''Trident of Manaan''' gives him the ability to use a water-based Wind spell twice per battle, and greatly reduces attrition damage taken at sea, so feel free to go pirate/black ark hunting with him.
	:He is the money maker of Bretonnia in the campaign, getting a bonus to trade, especially since he is closest to Ulthuan. His other bonuses reduce recruitment time for cavalry, increase recruit experience for knights, and Knights of the Realm have better melee defense. For most of WH1 and WH2, players would often assign him to sitting next to a big port city like Marienburg since he was more useful for boosting income than he was at fighting. In WH3, he got a new faction and a new starting position in Lustria with the possibility of confederating with Brettonia later, similar to Imrik's campaign. If the player doesn't intervene, his AI tends to ally with Marcus Wulfhart and tag team battle everyone else on the continent.		:He is the money maker of Bretonnia in the campaign, getting a bonus to trade, especially since he is closest to Ulthuan. His other bonuses reduce recruitment time for cavalry, increase recruit experience for knights, and Knights of the Realm have better melee defense. For most of WH1 and WH2, players would often assign him to sitting next to a big port city like Marienburg since he was more useful for boosting income than he was at fighting.
			** In WH3, he got a new faction and a new starting position in Lustria with the possibility of confederating with Brettonia later, similar to Imrik's campaign. If the player doesn't intervene, his AI tends to ally with Marcus Wulfhart and tag team battle everyone else on the continent.
			His Lord Effects got updated. He now starts with total immunity to sea attrition, increased Melee Defense for his whole army, and that bonus is increased further for Knights of the Realm.
	*'''Repanse de Lyonesse''': Bretonnian Jeanne d'Arc, if Jeanne didn't meet a tragic end and lives way, WAY longer. Some 500 years after driving the servants of Chaos from Bretonnia, she now leads an [[Errantry War]] against the [[Tomb Kings\|undead of Nehekhara]] because... reasons (probably because ultra-conservative Bretonnian lords don't want a PEASANT GIRL leading Lyonesse). In combat, she is a Questing Knight lord, being a dedicated infantry slayer and granting bonuses to help your troops win the grind.		*'''Repanse de Lyonesse''': Bretonnian Jeanne d'Arc, if Jeanne didn't meet a tragic end and lives way, WAY longer. Some 500 years after driving the servants of Chaos from Bretonnia, she now leads an [[Errantry War]] against the [[Tomb Kings\|undead of Nehekhara]] because... reasons (probably because ultra-conservative Bretonnian lords don't want a PEASANT GIRL leading Lyonesse). In combat, she is a Questing Knight lord, being a dedicated infantry slayer and granting bonuses to help your troops win the grind.
	:Unfortunately, as an Errantry War faction, she can't confederate with the other Bretonnian lords, but she can with other Errantry factions in the Southlands with little fuss. She is an old faction total war crusader, giving a bonus to peasant units and Questing Knights, refilling their water supply from fort to fort as they purge the desert of filth.		:Unfortunately, as an Errantry War faction, she can't confederate with the other Bretonnian lords, but she can with other Errantry factions in the Southlands with little fuss. She is an old faction total war crusader, giving a bonus to peasant units and Questing Knights, refilling their water supply from fort to fort as they purge the desert of filth
			** The last one got made completely redundant when '''Warhammer III''' added a Landmark near her start position that gives desert attrition immunity to the faction holding it.
	*'''Sir John Tyrewald''': (campaign only) Not a mainline Legendary Lord, but a buffed unique vanilla Lord with a unique model, a tweaked skill tree, and prepackaged with his own Legendary Hero (Donna). Leads the Knights of Origo, who will confederate with Repanse early on barring early elimination shenanigans.		*'''Sir John Tyrewald''': (campaign only) Not a mainline Legendary Lord, but a buffed unique vanilla Lord with a unique model, a tweaked skill tree, and prepackaged with his own Legendary Hero (Donna). Leads the Knights of Origo, who will confederate with Repanse early on barring early elimination shenanigans.

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	*'''Nurgle''': With all the poison, debuff spells and high mass of Nurgle units, it's actually gonna be very difficult to get a good charge in since your cavalry will most likely get stuck, surrounded and then die on your first charge, so it will be an extremely micro-intensive battle. Your Peasant arrows will obviously be of the fire variant and will need a frontline of men-at-arms (halberds or shielded, you need the anti-large bonus for any monster that gets close). Otherwise it's a simple "keep your cavalry units moving around until a unit gets separated from the rest, then gank it, repeat until your cavalry is too damaged for that, then bring them to your frontline so they can finish the job with support from what remains of your cav" deal. If your enemy decides to simply blob up his units to not let you get a charge in, bring a coupel of trebuchets for area damage.		*'''Nurgle''': With all the poison, debuff spells and high mass of Nurgle units, it's actually gonna be very difficult to get a good charge in since your cavalry will most likely get stuck, surrounded and then die on your first charge, so it will be an extremely micro-intensive battle. Your Peasant arrows will obviously be of the fire variant and will need a frontline of men-at-arms (halberds or shielded, you need the anti-large bonus for any monster that gets close). Otherwise it's a simple "keep your cavalry units moving around until a unit gets separated from the rest, then gank it, repeat until your cavalry is too damaged for that, then bring them to your frontline so they can finish the job with support from what remains of your cav" deal. If your enemy decides to simply blob up his units to not let you get a charge in, bring a coupel of trebuchets for area damage.

	*'''Ogre Kingdoms''': Don't expect your flimsy infantry to stick around for long after they're hit with the first ogre charge. This may be a matchup where you're best off getting your knights stuck in early and keeping them there. Cycle charging is alot less effective against an enemy who can dish out a tremendous amount of hurt by counter charging your cavalry every time they cycle charge back into the fight. That and your forces have better stamina in a protracted brawl thanks to lore of life and perfect vigor ~~Hrail~~ Knights. Your anti-large air cav will reign uncontested due to Ogres lacking air presence, and they should be useful for tying up Ironblasters and Leadbelchers. They're also the only units you got who can reliably charge ogres without getting counter charged in return.		*'''Ogre Kingdoms''': Don't expect your flimsy infantry to stick around for long after they're hit with the first ogre charge. This may be a matchup where you're best off getting your knights stuck in early and keeping them there. Cycle charging is alot less effective against an enemy who can dish out a tremendous amount of hurt by counter charging your cavalry every time they cycle charge back into the fight. That and your forces have better stamina in a protracted brawl thanks to lore of life and perfect vigor Grail Knights. Your anti-large air cav will reign uncontested due to Ogres lacking air presence, and they should be useful for tying up Ironblasters and Leadbelchers. They're also the only units you got who can reliably charge ogres without getting counter charged in return.

	*'''Slaanesh''': '''PAIN'''. Their cavalry hits harder than yours, is faster than yours, and deal more damage on charges. Their infantry is fast, extremely killy and, if they have the CoC DLC, heavily armored as well, so there is nothing your own infantry can do against them and even your anti-infantry cav will struggle. They have chariots to mulch your infantry even more. Your cavalry has a slight advantage if you can get a charge in, since Slaanesh units are fragile and your Grail Knights never tire, but still. You do have better flying units ~~that~~ they do, so invest into pegasus knights, royal hippogryphs and flying paladins.		*'''Slaanesh''': '''PAIN'''. Their cavalry hits harder than yours, is faster than yours, and deal more damage on charges. Their infantry is fast, extremely killy and, if they have the CoC DLC, heavily armored as well, so there is nothing your own infantry can do against them and even your anti-infantry cav will struggle. They have chariots to mulch your infantry even more. Your cavalry has a slight advantage if you can get a charge in, since Slaanesh units are fragile and your Grail Knights never tire, but still. You do have better flying units than they do, so invest into pegasus knights, royal hippogryphs and flying paladins.

	*'''Skaven''': While the Skaven missile units and artillery will put yours to shame, your cavalry is among the most suited to ruining the general Skaven strategy of blowing things up from across the map. Virtually nothing the Skaven have will be able to outrun your cavalry and a few well timed charges can break the relatively fickle leadership of their infantry quite easily. Knights of the Realm can do solid enough work against the general unarmored masses, but you'll want to keep some Questing Knights in reserve for any Stormvermin or Warpfire Throwers they might be packing... Unless the Skaven roll out Throt. A Clan Moulder-lead army can be one of your most difficult matchups, since Mutant Rat Ogres have little trouble blasting through your knights, Abominations are nearly unkillable for your piss poor infantry and Throt himself can frequently give Bonus vs. Large to all Skaven around him.		*'''Skaven''': While the Skaven missile units and artillery will put yours to shame, your cavalry is among the most suited to ruining the general Skaven strategy of blowing things up from across the map. Virtually nothing the Skaven have will be able to outrun your cavalry and a few well timed charges can break the relatively fickle leadership of their infantry quite easily. Knights of the Realm can do solid enough work against the general unarmored masses, but you'll want to keep some Questing Knights in reserve for any Stormvermin or Warpfire Throwers they might be packing... Unless the Skaven roll out Throt. A Clan Moulder-lead army can be one of your most difficult matchups, since Mutant Rat Ogres have little trouble blasting through your knights, Abominations are nearly unkillable for your piss poor infantry and Throt himself can frequently give Bonus vs. Large to all Skaven around him.

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	*'''[[Total_War_Warhammer/Tactics/Chaos_Dwarves\| Chaos Dwarfs]]''':		*'''[[Total_War_Warhammer/Tactics/Chaos_Dwarves\| Chaos Dwarfs]]''':

	*'''Chaos ~~Warriors~~''': Hoo boy, that's a lot of armor. Chaos ~~Warriors~~ are one of the slowest armies in the game, so you should have no difficulty outmaneuvering their forces to make that optimal charge. Despite your relative inadequacies at frontline engagements, Battle Pilgrims and Foot Squires can still deal not inconsequential damage to their forces while holding them in place for your Cavalry. You'll want to try to shut down any Hellcannons they bring, as that'll be the primary source of ranged pressure on your forces. Without that, you're free to run circles around them from dusk until dawn.		*'''Warriors of Chaos''': Hoo boy, that's a lot of armor. Warriors of Chaos are one of the slowest armies in the game, so you should have no difficulty outmaneuvering their forces to make that optimal charge. Despite your relative inadequacies at frontline engagements, Battle Pilgrims and Foot Squires can still deal not inconsequential damage to their forces while holding them in place for your Cavalry. You'll want to try to shut down any Hellcannons they bring, as that'll be the primary source of ranged pressure on your forces. Without that, you're free to run circles around them from dusk until dawn.

	*'''Dark Elves''': Mobility is the name of the game here. Both you and the Dark Elves are good at it, so it will largely come down to who can micro their army better. Just forget about peasant spam. Even Bleakswords will shred them, to say nothing about Witch Elves and Sisters of Slaughter which will show any infantry you bring their own assholes in seconds. Peasant archers are a good choice in theory to put pressure on their light cav, but they are extremely difficult to protect if you aren't a seasoned player. No, this match will come down to your cavalry play. Luckily you have a HUGE advantage in the heavy cav game, since all they have in that department are Cold One Knights which are pretty much garbage. A solid airforce can be a powerful tool here, since the Dark Elves don't have much of an aerial presence. Masters on pegasi are pretty cost-inefficient (but can still threaten with their anti-large) and your flying knights or Paladins will easily shred dragons. Even Rakarth on Bracchus can't stack up if you goon him out. Plus, Pegasus Knights especially will have a pretty solid shot of dodging Scourgerunner projectiles and catching up with them to deliver death. Grail Knights are a great choice against Doomfire Warlocks or any other light cav, as long as you can tie them down. This is one of the few matchups where their elite infantry (read: Black Guard of Naggarond) can really threaten, so isolate them and goon them out with your lords/heros asap. Louen is probably the lord to bring here to support your airforce, your caster lords are just too squishy to stand up to their ludicrous amount of ap.		*'''Dark Elves''': Mobility is the name of the game here. Both you and the Dark Elves are good at it, so it will largely come down to who can micro their army better. Just forget about peasant spam. Even Bleakswords will shred them, to say nothing about Witch Elves and Sisters of Slaughter which will show any infantry you bring their own assholes in seconds. Peasant archers are a good choice in theory to put pressure on their light cav, but they are extremely difficult to protect if you aren't a seasoned player. No, this match will come down to your cavalry play. Luckily you have a HUGE advantage in the heavy cav game, since all they have in that department are Cold One Knights which are pretty much garbage. A solid airforce can be a powerful tool here, since the Dark Elves don't have much of an aerial presence. Masters on pegasi are pretty cost-inefficient (but can still threaten with their anti-large) and your flying knights or Paladins will easily shred dragons. Even Rakarth on Bracchus can't stack up if you goon him out. Plus, Pegasus Knights especially will have a pretty solid shot of dodging Scourgerunner projectiles and catching up with them to deliver death. Grail Knights are a great choice against Doomfire Warlocks or any other light cav, as long as you can tie them down. This is one of the few matchups where their elite infantry (read: Black Guard of Naggarond) can really threaten, so isolate them and goon them out with your lords/heros asap. Louen is probably the lord to bring here to support your airforce, your caster lords are just too squishy to stand up to their ludicrous amount of ap.

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	* '''Horrible Replenishment''': No Lord or hero skills or technologies to get a good replenishment rate (except for Louen, who gets a skill to let Knight units in his army have an actually good replenishment, and Repanse, who gives an okay rate to her army with one of her skills). If a unit loses models, it's more often than not a better idea to disband the unit entirely and recruit a new one. Yes, it's ''that'' bad.		* '''Horrible Replenishment''': No Lord or hero skills or technologies to get a good replenishment rate (except for Louen, who gets a skill to let Knight units in his army have an actually good replenishment, and Repanse, who gives an okay rate to her army with one of her skills). If a unit loses models, it's more often than not a better idea to disband the unit entirely and recruit a new one. Yes, it's ''that'' bad.
	**'''Warhammer III''': The third game eventually did something to correct this, by giving damsels a skill to increase replenishment casualties, but even then it just brings their replenishment to "not bad" rather than "good". And if you can't recruit enough Damsels or can't get one to an army enough, you're shit out of luck.		**'''Warhammer III''': The third game eventually did something to correct this, by giving damsels a skill to increase replenishment casualties, but even then it just brings their replenishment to "not bad" rather than "good". And if you can't recruit enough Damsels or can't get one to an army enough, you're shit out of luck.
	* '''You've been powercrept to shit:''' CA followed GW's examples, and Bretonnia has not gotten any new units or mechanics since their original release way back in the first game, nor has their roster been buffed to compensate for the global increase in power. With the third game and until their update, your supposed "elite cavalry" is actually not the best anymore. Your best ground cavalry, Grail Knights, will struggle against nearly every other race's elite cavalry (a majority of which will either beat your Knights or at least trade roughly evenly, because your Grail Knights are still balanced for Game 1 and ''don't have armor-piercing damage'', while nearly all other factions elite cavalry do and have better stats) without having to suffer from the rest of their roster being shit. Paladins and Louen, once amazing character-killers/tanks~~? They~~ get folded by any generic demon character.		* '''You've been powercrept to shit:''' CA followed GW's examples, and Bretonnia has not gotten any new units or mechanics since their original release way back in the first game, nor has their roster been buffed to compensate for the global increase in power. With the third game and until their update, your supposed "elite cavalry" is actually not the best anymore. Your best ground cavalry, Grail Knights, will struggle against nearly every other race's elite cavalry (a majority of which will either beat your Knights or at least trade roughly evenly, because your Grail Knights are still balanced for Game 1 and ''don't have armor-piercing damage'', while nearly all other factions elite cavalry do and have better stats) without having to suffer from the rest of their roster being shit. Paladins and Louen, once amazing character-killers/tanks, get folded by any generic demon character.
	**'''Warhammer III''': Patch 3.1 did Bretonnia a few favors and gave them a sweeping series of buffs to help get them up to the current snuff of the playing field. Mass buffs across most cavalry helps Bretonnian charges leave a hell of a mark while the Blessing of the Lady changing from a Physical Resistance buff to a flat Ward save give knights much better staying power against the daemonic hordes and their Magical Attacks. Though their roster remains fairly anemic by modern standards, pretty much everything they do have also received a bit of a retooling (mostly buffs) so that each unit stays impactful.		**'''Warhammer III''': Patch 3.1 did Bretonnia a few favors and gave them a sweeping series of buffs to help get them up to the current snuff of the playing field. Mass buffs across most cavalry helps Bretonnian charges leave a hell of a mark while the Blessing of the Lady changing from a Physical Resistance buff to a flat Ward save give knights much better staying power against the daemonic hordes and their Magical Attacks. Though their roster remains fairly anemic by modern standards, pretty much everything they do have also received a bit of a retooling (mostly buffs) so that each unit stays impactful.

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	*'''Khorne''': This is probably going to be a challenging one. You beat Khorne in general mobility as all of your cavalry is faster than his. You beat him in ranged because his only ranged unit is a single-entity artillery-chariot while your trebuchets come with multiple models and you have archers. Your cavalry also has several anti-large options while Khorne has none. However your peasants will get shredded by almost everything in Khorne's roster, his cavalry units are much tougher and harder hitting even if they are slower, and he has plenty of ways to tangle up your ranged units in the form of Hounds and Furies. Bloodthirsters will be a big problem as their Terror will easily rout off your infantry and with that anti-large bonus they'll put a big dent on your knights, who will have trouble surrounding them. This might not be a bad matchup to bring Hippogryphs and Pegasus Knights. Used defensively they can fend off Hounds and Furies, can isolate Bloodthirsters in the air and surround them with anti-large damage, and in the case of the Hippogryphs still hit pretty hard against infantry. Skull Cannons will be ill-equipped to shoot them down and only Bloodthirsters can contest the sky.		*'''Khorne''': This is probably going to be a challenging one. You beat Khorne in general mobility as all of your cavalry is faster than his. You beat him in ranged because his only ranged unit is a single-entity artillery-chariot while your trebuchets come with multiple models and you have archers. Your cavalry also has several anti-large options while Khorne has none. However your peasants will get shredded by almost everything in Khorne's roster, his cavalry units are much tougher and harder hitting even if they are slower, and he has plenty of ways to tangle up your ranged units in the form of Hounds and Furies. Bloodthirsters will be a big problem as their Terror will easily rout off your infantry and with that anti-large bonus they'll put a big dent on your knights, who will have trouble surrounding them. This might not be a bad matchup to bring Hippogryphs and Pegasus Knights. Used defensively they can fend off Hounds and Furies, can isolate Bloodthirsters in the air and surround them with anti-large damage, and in the case of the Hippogryphs still hit pretty hard against infantry. Skull Cannons will be ill-equipped to shoot them down and only Bloodthirsters can contest the sky.

	*'''Kislev''':		*'''Kislev''': Ice magic with it's wide AoE slows is pretty damn good against your mobile elements, and Ice Guard with glaives are a big middle finger to everything you like to do. Peasant spam is also difficult to pull off due to the sheer amount of short range shooting inherent in Kislev's roster, and their dervishes are just as fast as your yeomen, and can trash around peasant archers. It'll be up to your airforce to carry and hope they don't get charged by anti-large bears who would like nothing better than to rape you with their lances.

	*'''Lizardmen''': First thing, leave the kids (peasants) at home. None of your infantry options stand a ghost of a chance against the Lizardmen; even the lowly Skink Cohorts are capable of besting them in combat and that's not even mentioning how quickly their massive Dinosaurs will chow through the pitchfork-wielding masses. Assuming they don't immediately just route the field from the sheer amount of fear/terror caused by all the monsters. Instead, double down on your strengths. Bretonnian cavalry will easily outpace anything the Lizardmen could ever field. Key units to build lists around would be your Grail Knights and (Royal) Pegasus Knights, who not only specialize against large targets, but are also immune to fear and terror. Though you can't expect their support for long, your peasant bowmen can really hinder the Lizardmen frontline and combat potential with the Pox variant, allowing some of your higher tier cavalry a touch more staying power for when you need to hold the line.		*'''Lizardmen''': First thing, leave the kids (peasants) at home. None of your infantry options stand a ghost of a chance against the Lizardmen; even the lowly Skink Cohorts are capable of besting them in combat and that's not even mentioning how quickly their massive Dinosaurs will chow through the pitchfork-wielding masses. Assuming they don't immediately just route the field from the sheer amount of fear/terror caused by all the monsters. Instead, double down on your strengths. Bretonnian cavalry will easily outpace anything the Lizardmen could ever field. Key units to build lists around would be your Grail Knights and (Royal) Pegasus Knights, who not only specialize against large targets, but are also immune to fear and terror. Though you can't expect their support for long, your peasant bowmen can really hinder the Lizardmen frontline and combat potential with the Pox variant, allowing some of your higher tier cavalry a touch more staying power for when you need to hold the line.