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	*'''Greenskins:''' Greenskin internal battles are both interesting and fluffy; and have a surprising amount of nuance simply due to the varieties of units you can bring. In the most generalist terms greenskins counter each other like a game of rock-paper-scissors: goblins can outmaneuver and poison orcs, orcs have the armor piercing damage to bring down monsters, and monsters can trample goblins with impunity. Obviously there is a little more nuance than that, but as a good rule of thumb everything the greenskins have can be hard countered by a different greenskins unit. Mind your positioning and play your strengths against their weaknesses.		*'''Greenskins:''' Greenskin internal battles are both interesting and fluffy; and have a surprising amount of nuance simply due to the varieties of units you can bring. In the most generalist terms greenskins counter each other like a game of rock-paper-scissors: goblins can outmaneuver and poison orcs, orcs have the armor piercing damage to bring down monsters, and monsters can trample goblins with impunity. Obviously there is a little more nuance than that, but as a good rule of thumb everything the greenskins have can be hard countered by a different greenskins unit. Mind your positioning and play your strengths against their weaknesses.

	*'''High Elves:''' First things first: leave the savage orcs at home. High Elves have so much magic and fire damage that any savage orcs you bring will crumble in short order. Try to to be aggressive (even more than usual, if possible) because you cannot survive high elf archery for very long. If you're good with micro and map-presence you can do amazing things with Stone Trolls, they can run rampage through any lines as long as you stay away from fire. You don't have any easy way to deal with Dragons or Dragon Princes aside from pinning them down and chewing through them with black orcs and Arachnarok Spiders, so keep them surrounded as soon as you can. Don't let fancy units like ~~Pheonix~~ Guard or Swordmasters of Hoeth intimidate you; if you can get close enough to krump'em, the elves will collapse like a house of cards. But getting close is easier said then done.		*'''High Elves:''' First things first: leave the savage orcs at home. High Elves have so much magic and fire damage that any savage orcs you bring will crumble in short order. Try to to be aggressive (even more than usual, if possible) because you cannot survive high elf archery for very long. If you're good with micro and map-presence you can do amazing things with Stone Trolls, they can run rampage through any lines as long as you stay away from fire. You don't have any easy way to deal with Dragons or Dragon Princes aside from pinning them down and chewing through them with black orcs and Arachnarok Spiders, so keep them surrounded as soon as you can. Don't let fancy units like Phoenix Guard or Swordmasters of Hoeth intimidate you; if you can get close enough to krump'em, the elves will collapse like a house of cards. But getting close is easier said then done.

	*'''Khorne''': A fairly even matchup since Khorne tends to favor a core of heavily armoured elite units supported by more fragile Demons, similar to how your own faction works. Problems with Khorne come in regards to their big monsters and monstrous cavalry which can be a major pain in your green butt to deal with, but their expensiveness makes it possible to tarpit and isolate them. Nasty Skulkers and other varieties of Goblins will really shine here, as their poison will take the edge off their beefy melee line and tip the scales in your favor.		*'''Khorne''': A fairly even matchup since Khorne tends to favor a core of heavily armoured elite units supported by more fragile Demons, similar to how your own faction works. Problems with Khorne come in regards to their big monsters and monstrous cavalry which can be a major pain in your green butt to deal with, but their expensiveness makes it possible to tarpit and isolate them. Nasty Skulkers and other varieties of Goblins will really shine here, as their poison will take the edge off their beefy melee line and tip the scales in your favor.
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	*'''Lizardmen:''' This matchup is where your general lack of anti-large options and leadership issues tend to become rather apparent. With a multitude of large, armored dinosaurs that bowl through your unarmored infantry and scare the shit out of the survivors in the process, you will have issues if the Lizardmen monsters have free reign over the battlefield. Have an Arachnarok Spider supported by some Orc Boar Big 'Unz to focus down the bigger beasties while you use Goblin Spider Riders to run circles around any skink skirmishers trying to poke and prod your flanks. Aside said skinks, Lizardmen have a noted lack of ranged firepower, so regular archers won't go amiss against the scaly rank and file on their slow approach. Trolls, if you can ensure any Salamanders the lizards may have brought are thoroughly shut down, can often shoulder their way through most of the infantry the Lizardmen have on tap, but you'll need to keep them away from anything bigger than they are.		*'''Lizardmen:''' This matchup is where your general lack of anti-large options and leadership issues tend to become rather apparent. With a multitude of large, armored dinosaurs that bowl through your unarmored infantry and scare the shit out of the survivors in the process, you will have issues if the Lizardmen monsters have free reign over the battlefield. Have an Arachnarok Spider supported by some Orc Boar Big 'Unz to focus down the bigger beasties while you use Goblin Spider Riders to run circles around any skink skirmishers trying to poke and prod your flanks. Aside said skinks, Lizardmen have a noted lack of ranged firepower, so regular archers won't go amiss against the scaly rank and file on their slow approach. Trolls, if you can ensure any Salamanders the lizards may have brought are thoroughly shut down, can often shoulder their way through most of the infantry the Lizardmen have on tap, but you'll need to keep them away from anything bigger than they are.

	*'''Norsca:''' An important factor in this matchup is how Norscan Rage compares to greenskin WAAAAAGH! ~~Norscan~~ want to stay in melee combat up to a point, then they start to lose steam and need to break away and recuperate. You pretty much never want to leave melee once your there, and benefit from longer engagements. Pile on the pressure with flanking units and nasty skulkers to keep the enemy locked in combat and grind them out. Your goblins can have a lot of fun against these unarmoured northerners; sneak, skulk and skirmish your way to victory with your brutal cunning and archer cavalry. Keep an eye out for mammoths, though. Your best bet to deal with them are your own monsters, but Norscans are quite good at killing monsters so you'll want to hang back until you've softened their lines up a bit.		*'''Norsca:''' An important factor in this matchup is how Norscan Rage compares to greenskin WAAAAAGH! Norscans want to stay in melee combat up to a point, then they start to lose steam and need to break away and recuperate. You pretty much never want to leave melee once your there, and benefit from longer engagements. Pile on the pressure with flanking units and nasty skulkers to keep the enemy locked in combat and grind them out. Your goblins can have a lot of fun against these unarmoured northerners; sneak, skulk and skirmish your way to victory with your brutal cunning and archer cavalry. Keep an eye out for mammoths, though. Your best bet to deal with them are your own monsters, but Norscans are quite good at killing monsters so you'll want to hang back until you've softened their lines up a bit.

	*'''Nurgle''': Nurgle is slow, wants to stay in a prolonged fight, has no anti-large at all, has weak fliers, is poorly armoured, has mediocre artillery, and has very little defence against missile attacks. Basically, they're completely fucked. The Waaaagh! is powerful enough to overcome Nurgle's progressively growing debuffs and they have basically no way of dealing with your various methods of skirmishing them. Once you swat down any rotflies, drones, or furies; plague toads and pox riders are pretty easy pickings for the likes of stone trolls and boar boy big 'unz, while the Nurglite main line simply isn't killy enough to win before you krump them.		*'''Nurgle''': Nurgle is slow, wants to stay in a prolonged fight, has no anti-large at all, has weak fliers, is poorly armoured, has mediocre artillery, and has very little defence against missile attacks. Basically, they're completely fucked. The Waaaagh! is powerful enough to overcome Nurgle's progressively growing debuffs and they have basically no way of dealing with your various methods of skirmishing them. Once you swat down any rotflies, drones, or furies; plague toads and pox riders are pretty easy pickings for the likes of stone trolls and boar boy big 'unz, while the Nurglite main line simply isn't killy enough to win before you krump them.

	*'''Ogre Kingdoms''': If the Dwarfs are the immovable object to your ~~irresistble~~ force then the Ogres are the equally irresistible force. Except you're vulnerable to terror routing and bad at stopping charges and the Ogres are nearly all monsters who can cause terror and charge like run-away freight trains. This is one of those match-ups where you just don't have a lot of good options. Ogre leadbelchers and ironblasters will reduce your monsters to mush, basic ogres can simply plough through just about any number of infantry you throw in their way, and Ogres are disturbingly fast for such fat lads. Skirmishing them may be your best bet since Ogres generally have poor armour and bad shields.		*'''Ogre Kingdoms''': If the Dwarfs are the immovable object to your irresistible force then the Ogres are the equally irresistible force. Except you're vulnerable to terror routing and bad at stopping charges and the Ogres are nearly all monsters who can cause terror and charge like run-away freight trains. This is one of those match-ups where you just don't have a lot of good options. Ogre leadbelchers and ironblasters will reduce your monsters to mush, basic ogres can simply plough through just about any number of infantry you throw in their way, and Ogres are disturbingly fast for such fat lads. Skirmishing them may be your best bet since Ogres generally have poor armour and bad shields.

	*'''Skaven:''' Two words: goblin cavalry. Your orcs will be shot to bits before they can reach the skaven lines, so you'll need to tie them down first. Even the humble wolf riders can reliably beat skaven in melee. But pinning down the enemy line isn't enough to win a battle; bring some orcs (or ideally orc cavalry) to finish the rats off once you've got them trapped. Rock lobbas will also do good in this battle, just make sure they're firing at the right targets.		*'''Skaven:''' Two words: goblin cavalry. Your orcs will be shot to bits before they can reach the skaven lines, so you'll need to tie them down first. Even the humble wolf riders can reliably beat skaven in melee. But pinning down the enemy line isn't enough to win a battle; bring some orcs (or ideally orc cavalry) to finish the rats off once you've got them trapped. Rock lobbas will also do good in this battle, just make sure they're firing at the right targets.

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Monsters and Chariots

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	*'''Orc Boar Big 'Unz:''' Your anti-large heavy cav. They have similar speed problems as vanilla boar boys so you'll primarily use them to deter enemy cav from charging your boyz.		*'''Orc Boar Big 'Unz:''' Your anti-large heavy cav. They have similar speed problems as vanilla boar boys so you'll primarily use them to deter enemy cav from charging your boyz.
	**'''Broken Tusks Mob:''' Bigger and stronger Boar Big 'Unz. There's no gimmick with this unit; they're just Orc Boar Big 'Unz with more health, armour, and damage. Simple but pretty damn effective.		**'''Broken Tusks Mob:''' Bigger and stronger Boar Big 'Unz. There's no gimmick with this unit; they're just Orc Boar Big 'Unz with more health, armour, and damage. Simple but pretty damn effective.
	*'''Savage Orc Boar Boyz''': Actually better than regular Boar Boyz, especially when Wurrzag is leading your army. They might lose ~~missle~~ resistance and armour in exchange for raw Physical resist (which Wurrzag can buff up to 56%!) but gain a substantial amount of weapon strength, melee attack, AP and Frenzy.		*'''Savage Orc Boar Boyz''': Actually better than regular Boar Boyz, especially when Wurrzag is leading your army. They might lose missile resistance and armour in exchange for raw Physical resist (which Wurrzag can buff up to 56%!) but gain a substantial amount of weapon strength, melee attack, AP and Frenzy.
	*'''Savage Orc Boar Big 'Unz''': Good lord, here is a proppa heavy cav for da boyz. As with the standard boar boyz, much better than their "civilized" counterparts, due to their raw damage output and a bonus vs. Infantry, especially when used with Wurrzag as your leader. Compared with regular Boar Big 'Unz, they lose their ability to fight cavalry as efficiently, so you need to look out for anything on horse or bigger.		*'''Savage Orc Boar Big 'Unz''': Good lord, here is a proppa heavy cav for da boyz. As with the standard boar boyz, much better than their "civilized" counterparts, due to their raw damage output and a bonus vs. Infantry, especially when used with Wurrzag as your leader. Compared with regular Boar Big 'Unz, they lose their ability to fight cavalry as efficiently, so you need to look out for anything on horse or bigger.
	**Scrap upgrades can give them an armor and speed bonus, or +10 antilarge to make them slightly better all-rounders. The armor and speed combo isn't bad, but it's also tempting to just go all in on offense, especially with Wurrzag's physical ~~resistsnce~~ buff already making them tougher.		**Scrap upgrades can give them an armor and speed bonus, or +10 antilarge to make them slightly better all-rounders. The armor and speed combo isn't bad, but it's also tempting to just go all in on offense, especially with Wurrzag's physical resistance buff already making them tougher.
	*'''Squig Herd (DLC):''' Cheap armor piercing infantry blenders with immune to psychology and rampage. These little balls of teeth and fury are as unsubtle as they are effective; just point them at the biggest infantry the enemy has and let them go. They'll all die, but they'll take quite a few enemies down with them. Rampage is more of a benefit than a drawback for these guys; they're so disposable that blindly attacking whatever is in front of them is a better value than if they ran away. And at only 350g each, they'll trade upwards into almost everything in multiplayer. Won't win any battles on their own, but they will soften up enemies before the propa gits finish the job.		*'''Squig Herd (DLC):''' Cheap armor piercing infantry blenders with immune to psychology and rampage. These little balls of teeth and fury are as unsubtle as they are effective; just point them at the biggest infantry the enemy has and let them go. They'll all die, but they'll take quite a few enemies down with them. Rampage is more of a benefit than a drawback for these guys; they're so disposable that blindly attacking whatever is in front of them is a better value than if they ran away. And at only 350g each, they'll trade upwards into almost everything in multiplayer. Won't win any battles on their own, but they will soften up enemies before the propa gits finish the job.
	*'''Night Goblin Squig Hoppers (DLC):''' Similar to spider riders, these guys are a fast poison delivery system. Squig Hoppers are fragile and cheap but extremely quick backline harasser units that make mincemeat out of a plethora of ~~missle~~ units, as well as elite infantry, thanks to a bonus vs. infantry and AP attacks. The downside is that they are very squishy and vulnerable to intercepting cavalry, to which they have no answers to.		*'''Night Goblin Squig Hoppers (DLC):''' Similar to spider riders, these guys are a fast poison delivery system. Squig Hoppers are fragile and cheap but extremely quick backline harasser units that make mincemeat out of a plethora of missile units, as well as elite infantry, thanks to a bonus vs. infantry and AP attacks. The downside is that they are very squishy and vulnerable to intercepting cavalry, to which they have no answers to.
	**'''Durkit's Squigs: (RoR):''' Squig Hoppers with added missile resistance. Hoppers are pretty squishy, so anything to keep them alive helps.		**'''Durkit's Squigs: (RoR):''' Squig Hoppers with added missile resistance. Hoppers are pretty squishy, so anything to keep them alive helps.

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Heroes

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	*'''Goblin Big Boss:''' Low cost and surprisingly decent stats. Take 2-3 of them and have them roam around gooning enemy ~~lords~~ + ~~heroes~~. Always give them a mount. The wolf is faster + cheaper, the spider gives poison attacks to cripple high-value targets.		*'''Goblin Big Boss:''' Low cost and surprisingly decent stats. Take 2-3 of them and have them roam around gooning enemy Lords + Heroes. Always give them a mount. The wolf is faster + cheaper, the spider gives poison attacks to cripple high-value targets.
	*'''Orc Shaman:''' Your damage-dealing and buffing wizard. Even on a Warboar, is relatively slower than his contemporary mages on their own faction mount. He is easy to catch but has decent melee offense by virtue of being part of the Orc race but less melee defense than a contemporary old-magic-man so ~~will~~ his hp pool will quickly drain to zero.		*'''Orc Shaman:''' Your damage-dealing and buffing wizard. Even on a Warboar, is relatively slower than his contemporary mages on their own faction mount. He is easy to catch but has decent melee offense by virtue of being part of the Orc race but less melee defense than a contemporary old-magic-man so his hp pool will quickly drain to zero.
	*'''Night Goblin Shaman:''' The sneaky debuffing caster, and he needs to be sneaky because he's just a night goblin with no mount options. He's an excellent ambusher with both Vanguard and Stalk for quickly unleashing his spells (likely before getting trampled), and he even gets some magic 'shrooms so he can cast the same spell several times in quick secession.		*'''Night Goblin Shaman:''' The sneaky debuffing caster, and he needs to be sneaky because he's just a night goblin with no mount options. He's an excellent ambusher with both Vanguard and Stalk for quickly unleashing his spells (likely before getting trampled), and he even gets some magic 'shrooms so he can cast the same spell several times in quick secession.
	*'''Black Orc Big Boss:''' Big tough guy that holds the line in addition to or while the ~~lord~~ is ~~the way~~. Has the best overall melee stats and highest armor value of your Heroes. He's a pretty great fighter, but seriously hampered by his lack of a decent mount. He also provides an aura granting allied units Immune to Psychology, shoring up the low leadership that plagues most greenskins.		*'''Black Orc Big Boss:''' Big tough guy that holds the line in addition to or while the Lord is away. Has the best overall melee stats and highest armor value of your Heroes. He's a pretty great fighter, but seriously hampered by his lack of a decent mount. He also provides an aura granting allied units Immune to Psychology, shoring up the low leadership that plagues most greenskins.
	*'''River Troll Hag (DLC):''' Your Death caster outside Azhag, while also being very tanky with high ap weapon damage like all swamp trolls. She has the ability to snipe and debuff important enemies while brawling it out in the front lines, but her slow speed and large size makes her easy pickings for fire arrows. Consider taking her against factions with lots of ethereal units. Aspect of the dreadknight is the only way for greenskins to get magical attacks to cut down units with physical resistance.		*'''River Troll Hag (DLC):''' Your Death caster outside Azhag, while also being very tanky with high ap weapon damage like all swamp trolls. She has the ability to snipe and debuff important enemies while brawling it out in the front lines, but her slow speed and large size makes her easy pickings for fire arrows. Consider taking her against factions with lots of ethereal units. Aspect of the dreadknight is the only way for greenskins to get magical attacks to cut down units with physical resistance.

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Generic Lords

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	*'''Orc Warboss:''' The simple and cheaper beatstick ~~lord~~. He's not nearly as tricksy as the other two Lords, but he makes up for it with great melee stats. He's also the only other ~~lord~~ besides Azhag to have a Wyvern mount, and he's a pretty good fighter while mounted. If you just want a fighting ~~lord~~ to fly around the enemy and wreck their backline, the Warboss does the job just as well as Azhag for considerably cheaper.		*'''Orc Warboss:''' The simple and cheaper beatstick Lord. He's not nearly as tricksy as the other two Lords, but he makes up for it with great melee stats. He's also the only other Lord besides Azhag to have a Wyvern mount, and he's a pretty good fighter while mounted. If you just want a fighting Lord to fly around the enemy and wreck their backline, the Warboss does the job just as well as Azhag for considerably cheaper.
	*'''Goblin Great Shaman:''' Your Little Waaagh! caster ~~lord~~. He was ~~orignally~~ a cheap but fragile debuffing caster, but he got a lot tougher and more dangerous once the Warden and the Paunch DLC added the option to ride a Spidershrine. Also has an ability that increase an enemy targets recharge time for extra obnoxiousness if you know how recharge-time works.		*'''Goblin Great Shaman:''' Your Little Waaagh! caster Lord. He was originally a cheap but fragile debuffing caster, but he got a lot tougher and more dangerous once the Warden and the Paunch DLC added the option to ride a Spidershrine. Also has an ability that increase an enemy targets recharge time for extra obnoxiousness if you know how recharge-time works.
	*'''Night Goblin Warboss (DLC):''' A cheaper, enemy controller type of ~~lord~~. Annoying as hell with conjuring ~~wrecking ball~~ Loons, which causes enemies to rampage, and then Tormentor Sword to lock them in place so they get dogpiled. He's a surprisingly decent duelist especially with a giant cave squig mount, although his low armour means he has to be careful who he goes up against. On the campaign he also unlocks the Goblin-buffing perks Grom and Skarnik have in their skilltrees, making pure Goblin Armies viable in the first place.		*'''Night Goblin Warboss (DLC):''' A cheaper, enemy controller type of Lord. Annoying as hell with conjuring Wrecking Ball Loons, which causes enemies to rampage, and then Tormentor Sword to lock them in place so they get dogpiled. He's a surprisingly decent duelist especially with a giant cave squig mount, although his low armour means he has to be careful who he goes up against. On the campaign he also unlocks the Goblin-buffing perks Grom and Skarnik have in their skilltrees, making pure Goblin Armies viable in the first place.

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Legendary Lords

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	::Azhag got his own faction now! He leads the '''Bonerattlaz''' in the very northeastern corner of the Old World, starting in Red Eye Mountain and diplomatic bonusses with Vampire factions (and Arkhan the Black) and at war with the Elector Count of Ostermark. A unique advantage Azhag has over other Greenskin factions is that he makes Temperate climate settlements inhabitable (it's "unpleaseant" to others). Also worthy of note is that Azhag alone gets access to the Great Halls of Nagashizzar Landmark, which is only available to Vampires and Arkhan the Black and provides immunity to all effects of Vampiric Corruption as well as a +50 opinion increase with these factions.		::Azhag got his own faction now! He leads the '''Bonerattlaz''' in the very northeastern corner of the Old World, starting in Red Eye Mountain and diplomatic bonusses with Vampire factions (and Arkhan the Black) and at war with the Elector Count of Ostermark. A unique advantage Azhag has over other Greenskin factions is that he makes Temperate climate settlements inhabitable (it's "unpleaseant" to others). Also worthy of note is that Azhag alone gets access to the Great Halls of Nagashizzar Landmark, which is only available to Vampires and Arkhan the Black and provides immunity to all effects of Vampiric Corruption as well as a +50 opinion increase with these factions.

	*'''[[Skarsnik]] (DLC):''' is a Triscky lord having a surprising ~~about~~ of defense and offense despite being a goblin thanks to the squig he is chained to. He is a support lord that will give enemies hell, with Trisksy Traps letting a detachment of your army be invisible until they do a surprise flank. His Waaagh! gives bonuses AP Damage to missile weapons.		*'''[[Skarsnik]] (DLC):''' is a Triscky lord having a surprising amount of defense and offense despite being a goblin thanks to the squig he is chained to. He is a support lord that will give enemies hell, with Trisksy Traps letting a detachment of your army be invisible until they do a surprise flank. His Waaagh! gives bonuses AP Damage to missile weapons.

	::As Boss of the '''Crooked Moon Tribe''', Skarsnik's campaign is almost entirely no Orcs allowed, as he needs to take and hold Karak Eight Peaks to recruit most Orc units. Until then, his goals are essentially a race across the [[Gray Mountains]] and [[Badlands]] towards his old stomping grounds.		::As Boss of the '''Crooked Moon Tribe''', Skarsnik's campaign is almost entirely no Orcs allowed, as he needs to take and hold Karak Eight Peaks to recruit most Orc units. Until then, his goals are essentially a race across the [[Gray Mountains]] and [[Badlands]] towards his old stomping grounds.

	*'''Wurrzag, The Great Green Prophet (FLC):''' Your obligatory Caster LL, and he is not messing around. As with most caster lords, he shouldn't see combat unless you're absolutely forced to send him into melee. He boosts your spellcasting by a ludicrous degree and is basically the loremaster for the Lore of the big Waaagh!, has Greater Arcane Conduit and great discounts on the best spells his Lore gives him, most notably 'Ere we go! and Foot of Gork. As if that wasn't enough he also makes Savage Orcs almost as tough as Black Orcs ''and making them cheaper in the process''. Can passively give magical attacks to his entire army in campaign which will make them better at krumping everyone except ~~dwarfs~~ due to their innate magic resistance. (Until game 3 that is.)		*'''Wurrzag, The Great Green Prophet (FLC):''' Your obligatory Caster LL, and he is not messing around. As with most caster lords, he shouldn't see combat unless you're absolutely forced to send him into melee. He boosts your spellcasting by a ludicrous degree and is basically the loremaster for the Lore of the big Waaagh!, has Greater Arcane Conduit and great discounts on the best spells his Lore gives him, most notably 'Ere we go! and Foot of Gork. As if that wasn't enough he also makes Savage Orcs almost as tough as Black Orcs ''and making them cheaper in the process''. Can passively give magical attacks to his entire army in campaign which will make them better at krumping everyone except Dwarfs due to their innate magic resistance. (Until game 3 that is.)

	::Wurrzag starts to the west of Grimgor in the '''Bloody Handz''' faction. He has the unique mechanic of being able to build Savage Orc recruitment buildings ''anywhere'' on the map instead of merely in the southern portions of the Badlands.		::Wurrzag starts to the west of Grimgor in the '''Bloody Handz''' faction. He has the unique mechanic of being able to build Savage Orc recruitment buildings ''anywhere'' on the map instead of merely in the southern portions of the Badlands.

	*'''Grom the Paunch (DLC):''' Fatter than anyone, Grom is as goofy as he is powerful. Picking Grom unlocks access to his Cauldron, where you can cook food for him and his armies from ingredients that have a mini-quest attached in order to unlock them. Those ingredients come in five categories and their sources are fairly intuitive (Kill a Dragon for dragon wings, kill Dwarfs for Dwarfen Beer etc.). You can also buy them from the Food Merchant which will show up from time to time and can be interacted with by placing a Hero or Army next to her. ~~Diffrent~~ combinations of ingredients give different kinds of food and you need to unlock the recipes themselves first. But what is all this food for, you may now ask? The dishes give ''factionwide'' buffs depending on the recipe, and buffs to Grom himself, and nearly all of them are awesome in some form or another (not to mention that the idea that your main quest revolves around finding stuff to eat is just a hilarious contrast to the usual seriousness of the setting). In combat, Grom isn't that bad either. He gives decent buffs to Goblin units and Pump wagons and he himself rides on his big pimp car (Grom does not walk) as a massive chariot. His big mass (pun intended) ensures that he has little trouble punching through enemy lines, although prolonged exposure to enemies with bonusses against large is not something he likes.		*'''Grom the Paunch (DLC):''' Fatter than anyone, Grom is as goofy as he is powerful. Picking Grom unlocks access to his Cauldron, where you can cook food for him and his armies from ingredients that have a mini-quest attached in order to unlock them. Those ingredients come in five categories and their sources are fairly intuitive (Kill a Dragon for dragon wings, kill Dwarfs for Dwarfen Beer etc.). You can also buy them from the Food Merchant which will show up from time to time and can be interacted with by placing a Hero or Army next to her. Different combinations of ingredients give different kinds of food and you need to unlock the recipes themselves first. But what is all this food for, you may now ask? The dishes give ''factionwide'' buffs depending on the recipe, and buffs to Grom himself, and nearly all of them are awesome in some form or another (not to mention that the idea that your main quest revolves around finding stuff to eat is just a hilarious contrast to the usual seriousness of the setting). In combat, Grom isn't that bad either. He gives decent buffs to Goblin units and Pump wagons and he himself rides on his big pimp car (Grom does not walk) as a massive chariot. His big mass (pun intended) ensures that he has little trouble punching through enemy lines, although prolonged exposure to enemies with bonusses against large is not something he likes.

	::Grom has the honour of being the only Greenfaction with access to both Mortal Empires and Eye of the Vortex as well having wildly differing starting positions. He leads the '''Broken Axe''' faction and starts the game at war with his eternal enemy, Eltharion the Grim. Your main campaign goal revolves around getting a foothold on Ulthuan and destroying Tor Yvresse, which can take quite some time, but is easily the most fun you can have with any of the Greenskin campaigns, CA did a great job with him. On Mortal Empires, he starts in the middle of Bretonnia in the not-so-creatively named Massif Orcal, on Eye of the Vortex, he starts as far away from Ulthuan as you can get in Karag Orrud, near the southeastern edge of the map. It's important to remember that Eltharion will always send some armies your way.		::Grom has the honour of being the only Greenfaction with access to both Mortal Empires and Eye of the Vortex as well having wildly differing starting positions. He leads the '''Broken Axe''' faction and starts the game at war with his eternal enemy, Eltharion the Grim. Your main campaign goal revolves around getting a foothold on Ulthuan and destroying Tor Yvresse, which can take quite some time, but is easily the most fun you can have with any of the Greenskin campaigns, CA did a great job with him. On Mortal Empires, he starts in the middle of Bretonnia in the not-so-creatively named Massif Orcal, on Eye of the Vortex, he starts as far away from Ulthuan as you can get in Karag Orrud, near the southeastern edge of the map. It's important to remember that Eltharion will always send some armies your way.

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Multiplayer Strategies

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	*'''Vampire Coast:''' This is a strange one, because most of your best units struggle whilst your often-forgotten units thrive. Black Orcs and monsters will get shot to pieces before they can get into combat, but your humbler ranged cavalry can cause all manner of headaches for the enemy. This is also one of the few circumstances where you'll want orc archers instead of the cheaper goblins; the increased range is really important when fighting a gunpowder army. Despite the aforementioned flaws with Black Orcs, you will probably want to keep a squad or two around to shore up your frontlines, Immune to Psychology is just too valuable against an undead army. Just keep some chaff in front of them; most guns can't arc their shots and will have to deal with whatever's in front of them first. Leave the Arachnorak Spiders and Rogue Idols at home, though; those two are just to easy to shoot to be worth the cost.		*'''Vampire Coast:''' This is a strange one, because most of your best units struggle whilst your often-forgotten units thrive. Black Orcs and monsters will get shot to pieces before they can get into combat, but your humbler ranged cavalry can cause all manner of headaches for the enemy. This is also one of the few circumstances where you'll want orc archers instead of the cheaper goblins; the increased range is really important when fighting a [[Gunpowder (Warhammer Fantasy)\|gunpowder]] army. Despite the aforementioned flaws with Black Orcs, you will probably want to keep a squad or two around to shore up your frontlines, Immune to Psychology is just too valuable against an undead army. Just keep some chaff in front of them; most guns can't arc their shots and will have to deal with whatever's in front of them first. Leave the Arachnorak Spiders and Rogue Idols at home, though; those two are just to easy to shoot to be worth the cost.

	*'''Vampire Counts:''' This is where your low leadership really becomes a problem; you can easily outfight basic Vampire Counts units, but your boyz will often rout anyway from fear. Black Orcs, Squig Herds, and Squig Hoppers are all immune to psychology, and should form the core of your army. This is the match to bring a Rogue Idol, the vampires <i>have</i> to deal with it in melee and that thing gets more dangerous as it gets hurt. Doom Diver catapults are useful here; all artillery is useful against Vampire Counts, but the doom diver is especially good at singling out individual targets. Nothing is more satisfying than watching a VC army crumble because an idiot goblin squished their lord.		*'''Vampire Counts:''' This is where your low leadership really becomes a problem; you can easily outfight basic Vampire Counts units, but your boyz will often rout anyway from fear. Black Orcs, Squig Herds, and Squig Hoppers are all immune to psychology, and should form the core of your army. This is the match to bring a Rogue Idol, the vampires <i>have</i> to deal with it in melee and that thing gets more dangerous as it gets hurt. Doom Diver catapults are useful here; all artillery is useful against Vampire Counts, but the doom diver is especially good at singling out individual targets. Nothing is more satisfying than watching a VC army crumble because an idiot goblin squished their lord.

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	**'''Da Swamp Fingz (RoR, DLC):''' Swamp Trolls with terror and poison. Causing terror is all well and good, but more importantly the ability makes Da Swamp Fings immune to fear and terror, an invaluable trait for such an expensive unit that normally struggles with leadership.		**'''Da Swamp Fingz (RoR, DLC):''' Swamp Trolls with terror and poison. Causing terror is all well and good, but more importantly the ability makes Da Swamp Fings immune to fear and terror, an invaluable trait for such an expensive unit that normally struggles with leadership.
	*'''Stone Trolls (DLC):''' The best of the three Troll Units, packing more punch and are significantly more durable with built in magic and missile resistance, and of course, armor. Less regen though.		*'''Stone Trolls (DLC):''' The best of the three Troll Units, packing more punch and are significantly more durable with built in magic and missile resistance, and of course, armor. Less regen though.
	**These guys autoresolve well and do 81 points of AP damage per swing. They do well against pretty much anything that ~~isnt~~ dedicated anti-large or fire (which is now pretty common).		**These guys autoresolve well and do 81 points of AP damage per swing. They do well against pretty much anything that isn’t dedicated anti-large or fire (which is now pretty common).
	*'''Arachnarok Spider:''' Your big iconic monster. This bad girl has everything you could hope for: speed, armour, anti-large damage, and poison attacks. It even has some goblin archers on top for a bit of ranged damage. One often-overlooked factor is that the Arachnarok Spider has the strider ability, allowing it to move through forests and other terrain with no cost in speed.		*'''Arachnarok Spider:''' Your big iconic monster. This bad girl has everything you could hope for: speed, armour, anti-large damage, and poison attacks. It even has some goblin archers on top for a bit of ranged damage. One often-overlooked factor is that the Arachnarok Spider has the strider ability, allowing it to move through forests and other terrain with no cost in speed.
	**'''The Arachnarok Queen:''' Even better at slaying monsters that the normal Arachnarok, and the queen has the unique ability to summon units of spider hatchlings to absorb enemy charges, help pin down the foe, or clear out enemy chaff.		**'''The Arachnarok Queen:''' Even better at slaying monsters that the normal Arachnarok, and the queen has the unique ability to summon units of spider hatchlings to absorb enemy charges, help pin down the foe, or clear out enemy chaff.
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	**'''Da big 'Un (RoR, DLC):''' A Rogue Idol that doubles as an Artillery piece can replenish its ammo at the cost of HP. The addition of a ranged attack goes a long way for making up for the Idol's lack of speed.		**'''Da big 'Un (RoR, DLC):''' A Rogue Idol that doubles as an Artillery piece can replenish its ammo at the cost of HP. The addition of a ranged attack goes a long way for making up for the Idol's lack of speed.
	*'''Giant:''' No. Just no. Giants are far too frail and far too vulnerable to getting tarpitted to be even worth considering, not to mention their price. You could get an Anachnarok Spider for the same money that does the same things a Giant does, with some added missile support and much more durability and mobility. Starting a campaign with Wurrzag gets you one for free, and Azahg needs to get one as part of his legendary armour quest. Aside from those two circumstances you should never bother to get them.		*'''Giant:''' No. Just no. Giants are far too frail and far too vulnerable to getting tarpitted to be even worth considering, not to mention their price. You could get an Anachnarok Spider for the same money that does the same things a Giant does, with some added missile support and much more durability and mobility. Starting a campaign with Wurrzag gets you one for free, and Azahg needs to get one as part of his legendary armour quest. Aside from those two circumstances you should never bother to get them.
	*'''Goblin Wolf Chariots:''' A fast hybrid chariot that can shoot with bows and charge into melee. Most of the time, a unit of wolf archers or a boar chariot will do the job better; but there is something to be said for versatility. Skarsnik and Grom can both get more use out of them in the campaign, but in ~~multi-player~~ it's usually better to leave them out.		*'''Goblin Wolf Chariots:''' A fast hybrid chariot that can shoot with bows and charge into melee. Most of the time, a unit of wolf archers or a boar chariot will do the job better; but there is something to be said for versatility. Skarsnik and Grom can both get more use out of them in the campaign, but in multiplayer it's usually better to leave them out.
	**'''Teef Robbers (ROR):''' Wolf chariots with vanguard deployment, allowing them to set up right beside the ordinary wolf riders.		**'''Teef Robbers (ROR):''' Wolf chariots with vanguard deployment, allowing them to set up right beside the ordinary wolf riders.
	*'''Orc Boar Chariot:''' The big heavy chariot. Like everything orc it's slow, tough, and hits like a ton of bricks. The armour and melee defense mean it won't immediately crumble if it gets stuck in combat, which is good because it's so dang slow that it can't always escape from the enemy. This thing works best as the spear-tip for a larger boar charge; the chariot can put a hole in the enemy lines, and the boar cavalry can keep it open for the chariot to escape. The boar chariot is also great for beginner players to learn the basics of cycle charging; it's armour makes it more forgiving of mistakes and the slower speed makes it easier to see when to hit and when to run. The closest equivalent is the spiky rollaz pump wagon; both cost about the same points and the same tier in the campaign, but the spiky pump wagon does more charge damage, while the boar chariot is better for sustained combats.		*'''Orc Boar Chariot:''' The big heavy chariot. Like everything orc it's slow, tough, and hits like a ton of bricks. The armour and melee defense mean it won't immediately crumble if it gets stuck in combat, which is good because it's so dang slow that it can't always escape from the enemy. This thing works best as the spear-tip for a larger boar charge; the chariot can put a hole in the enemy lines, and the boar cavalry can keep it open for the chariot to escape. The boar chariot is also great for beginner players to learn the basics of cycle charging; it's armour makes it more forgiving of mistakes and the slower speed makes it easier to see when to hit and when to run. The closest equivalent is the spiky rollaz pump wagon; both cost about the same points and the same tier in the campaign, but the spiky pump wagon does more charge damage, while the boar chariot is better for sustained combats.
	*'''Snotling Pump Wagons (Regular/Flappas/Spikey Rollaz) (DLC):''' The snotling pumpwagons are fragile little chariots that come in 3 varieties: the cheap one (regular), the fast one (flappas), and the heavy one (spikey rollas). In all three cases they are flimsy little lawnmowers who need to rely on cycle charging to do any real damage. They're good if you can micro them effectively, but they'll fall apart if they get trapped in combat.		*'''Snotling Pump Wagons (Regular/Flappas/Spikey Rollaz) (DLC):''' The snotling pumpwagons are fragile little chariots that come in 3 varieties: the cheap one (regular), the fast one (flappas), and the heavy one (spikey rollas). In all three cases they are flimsy little lawnmowers who need to rely on cycle charging to do any real damage. They're good if you can micro them effectively, but they'll fall apart if they get trapped in combat.
	**Spikey Rollaz have better charge and AP, while the Flappas are faster. Always take the Spiky ones, especially against Cathay and Dwarfs.		**Spikey Rollaz have better charge and AP, while the Flappas are faster. Always take the Spiky ones, especially against Cathay and Dwarfs.
	**Alternate (Campaign) Opinion: These little guys are fast, massed, and most importantly, '''expendable''' ''Chariots'', and like all Chariots, they make Dwarfs and other infantry blobs cry by disrupting their formations/bracing. You ''~~dont~~'' have to actually micro them to be useful, they just need to grab the opponents attention and fire while your more substantial units plod their way to the scrap. They do anti-infantry a lot better than the Boar Boyz, and can be upgraded to have 20% Physical resistance, making them surprisingly durable. When they inevitably rout, their larger unit sizes means you'll have a few left over to charge back in, either frontally if your Boyz havent made it yet, or on the flanks. And again, because they're expendable, only Goblins will care if the unit breaks, unlike the slower Troll units.		**Alternate (Campaign) Opinion: These little guys are fast, massed, and most importantly, '''expendable''' ''Chariots'', and like all Chariots, they make Dwarfs and other infantry blobs cry by disrupting their formations/bracing. You ''don’t'' have to actually micro them to be useful, they just need to grab the opponents attention and fire while your more substantial units plod their way to the scrap. They do anti-infantry a lot better than the Boar Boyz, and can be upgraded to have 20% Physical resistance, making them surprisingly durable. When they inevitably rout, their larger unit sizes means you'll have a few left over to charge back in, either frontally if your Boyz havent made it yet, or on the flanks. And again, because they're expendable, only Goblins will care if the unit breaks, unlike the slower Troll units.
	***'''Tl;dr''': Get a few units of Spiky rollers, kit them with chariot armor, then charge them straight into your opponents most heavily-armored infantry, or their annoying missile units (or both, as with Ironbreakers) to tie them up and disrupt their charge defense.		***'''Tl;dr''': Get a few units of Spiky rollers, kit them with chariot armor, then charge them straight into your opponents most heavily-armored infantry, or their annoying missile units (or both, as with Ironbreakers) to tie them up and disrupt their charge defense.
	**'''Logey Bogey's Spore 'Sploda's: (RoR):''' This is a weird one. Each chariot has a cache of explosive spores on the front that burst out when it charges into combat, causing some decent damage in a very large area. The spores take 60 seconds to regrow and the cooldown only begins once the wagon is out of combat. Best used to destroy enemy chaff very quickly; but whilst the spores are on cooldown they pump-wagons are basically identical to the normal variety. They need good micro to be useful, even more than normal pump-wagons.		**'''Logey Bogey's Spore 'Sploda's: (RoR):''' This is a weird one. Each chariot has a cache of explosive spores on the front that burst out when it charges into combat, causing some decent damage in a very large area. The spores take 60 seconds to regrow and the cooldown only begins once the wagon is out of combat. Best used to destroy enemy chaff very quickly; but whilst the spores are on cooldown they pump-wagons are basically identical to the normal variety. They need good micro to be useful, even more than normal pump-wagons.