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Multiplayer Strategies

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	*'''[[Total_War_Warhammer/Tactics/Chaos_Dwarves\| Chaos Dwarfs]]''':		*'''[[Total_War_Warhammer/Tactics/Chaos_Dwarves\| Chaos Dwarfs]]''':

	*'''Chaos ~~Warriors~~''': You're almost certainly not going to win the front line engagement unless they also bring Marauders, so this tends to devolve into a monster mash of Shaggoths fighting Fimir.		*'''Warriors of Chaos''': You're almost certainly not going to win the front line engagement unless they also bring Marauders, so this tends to devolve into a monster mash of Shaggoths fighting Fimir.

	*'''Dark Elves''': A match-up with quite simple rules. If you can break into their main crossbow line you can win. If you can't you will lose. The Dark Elves can match you blow for blow at the Monster Game and Kharybdi see your mammoths and fimir as lunch while the Dark Elves have enough flaming damage to make trolls a risky play at best. Skinwolves are exceedingly vulnerable to massed missile fire and the Dark Elves' ability to take away control over your units with Witch Elves will frustrate any effort to pull out of bad match-ups. The front line match up is weird as the Dark Elves swing between fairly meh basic infantry to hyper-elite killing machines with very little in between. That being said, murderous prowess means that your infantry's preferred playstyle can backfire hard if you don't plan ahead. Your own ranged infantry will almost certainly be annihilated in short order, so you have to make them count before they're all dead.		*'''Dark Elves''': A match-up with quite simple rules. If you can break into their main crossbow line you can win. If you can't you will lose. The Dark Elves can match you blow for blow at the Monster Game and Kharybdi see your mammoths and fimir as lunch while the Dark Elves have enough flaming damage to make trolls a risky play at best. Skinwolves are exceedingly vulnerable to massed missile fire and the Dark Elves' ability to take away control over your units with Witch Elves will frustrate any effort to pull out of bad match-ups. The front line match up is weird as the Dark Elves swing between fairly meh basic infantry to hyper-elite killing machines with very little in between. That being said, murderous prowess means that your infantry's preferred playstyle can backfire hard if you don't plan ahead. Your own ranged infantry will almost certainly be annihilated in short order, so you have to make them count before they're all dead.

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Monsters

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	*'''Norscan Giant:''' Nope. Not worth it. There is basically no redeeming feature to giants, and the Norscan kind is no exception. Grab a mammoth if you want something big.		*'''Norscan Giant:''' Nope. Not worth it. There is basically no redeeming feature to giants, and the Norscan kind is no exception. Grab a mammoth if you want something big.
	*'''Frost-Wyrm:''' A massive chaos dragon that can freeze enemies in place with melee attacks and a frost-breath weapon. Like all dragons it hits hard in combat but fall apart faster than you want if it gets caught out of position.		*'''Frost-Wyrm:''' A massive chaos dragon that can freeze enemies in place with melee attacks and a frost-breath weapon. Like all dragons it hits hard in combat but fall apart faster than you want if it gets caught out of position.
	*'''Feral Mammoth:''' Let's talk about mammoths. Mammoths are amazing. Mammoths are the single best thing the Norscan army has, and one of the best monsters in the game. As if the huge health bar and great stats aren't enough, the mammoths unique attack animations allow it to sweep through huge swaths of infantry at once; combined with its terror and can route most infantry units in just a few hits. The feral variety is the cheapest but runs the risk of rampaging, which can be a nightmare for such a slow and valuable unit. ~~high~~ doomstack potential ~~also~~.		*'''Feral Mammoth:''' Let's talk about mammoths. Mammoths are amazing. Mammoths are the single best thing the Norscan army has, and one of the best monsters in the game. As if the huge health bar and great stats aren't enough, the mammoths unique attack animations allow it to sweep through huge swaths of infantry at once; combined with its terror and can route most infantry units in just a few hits. The feral variety is the cheapest but runs the risk of rampaging, which can be a nightmare for such a slow and valuable unit. High doomstack potential.
	*'''War Mammoth:''' Take everything great about the Mammoth, give it more armor, immunity to rampaging, and a howdah with guys throwing spears from it's back. If you can afford it, get one. If you can't afford it, save up and get one later. ~~makes~~ one of the best single entity doomstacks in the game.		*'''War Mammoth:''' Take everything great about the Mammoth, give it more armor, immunity to rampaging, and a howdah with guys throwing spears from it's back. If you can afford it, get one. If you can't afford it, save up and get one later. Makes one of the best single entity doomstacks in the game.
	**'''Soulcrusher (ROR):''' A mammoth with the ability to temporarily gain 44% physical resistance, in case you need it to hold the line against the entire godsdamned Empire all at once. It also has strider, which is weird for such a massive unit, but useful.		**'''Soulcrusher (ROR):''' A mammoth with the ability to temporarily gain 44% physical resistance, in case you need it to hold the line against the entire godsdamned Empire all at once. It also has strider, which is weird for such a massive unit, but useful.
	*'''War Mammoth (Warshrine):''' A mammoth that provides leadership buffs to allies around it, at the cost of shooting ability and speed. Not bad in multiplayer, but in the campaign you should try to phase out your infantry once you get mammoths in favor of even more mammoths. A bit of a niche pick, but at the end of the day it's still a mammoth; never the worst choice.		*'''War Mammoth (Warshrine):''' A mammoth that provides leadership buffs to allies around it, at the cost of shooting ability and speed. Not bad in multiplayer, but in the campaign you should try to phase out your infantry once you get mammoths in favor of even more mammoths. A bit of a niche pick, but at the end of the day it's still a mammoth; never the worst choice.

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Warbeasts

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	*'''Norscan Warhounds:''' Standard hound-type units. Fast and disposable, throw them at enemy artillery and wizards to keep the enemy occupied while you move into position. Scaly skin helps protect them from missiles, but they won't survive against anything stronger than an artillery crew.		*'''Norscan Warhounds:''' Standard hound-type units. Fast and disposable, throw them at enemy artillery and wizards to keep the enemy occupied while you move into position. Scaly skin helps protect them from missiles, but they won't survive against anything stronger than an artillery crew.
	**'''Beasts of Tashnar (ROR):''' Warhounds with frenzy, anti-large, and a crazy 50% missile resistance. Better than normal hounds, but not as good as ice wolves against most foes.		**'''Beasts of Tashnar (ROR):''' Warhounds with frenzy, anti-large, and a crazy 50% missile resistance. Better than normal hounds, but not as good as ice wolves against most foes.
	*'''Norscan Ice Wolves:''' Bigger badder ice wolves with Frostbite to slow down running targets and let your slower monsters smash them. Their reduced unit size also, ironically enough, massively improves their ~~survivablility~~ because individual models will soak up more damage per head ~~(or paw)~~ and increase the damage one model can put out before it goes down. Granted, they still will go down in prolonged fights, but it's still something to keep in mind. ~~surprising~~ good light cav equivalent. good vs anything without armor due to high weapon strength.		*'''Norscan Ice Wolves:''' Bigger badder ice wolves with Frostbite to slow down running targets and let your slower monsters smash them. Their reduced unit size also, ironically enough, massively improves their survivability because individual models will soak up more damage per head and increase the damage one model can put out before it goes down. Granted, they still will go down in prolonged fights, but it's still something to keep in mind. sSrprising good light cav equivalent and good vs anything without armor due to high weapon strength.

	===Monsters===		===Monsters===

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Monstrous Infantry

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	*'''[[Skin Wolve]]s:''' Anti-Large, Regeneration, Frenzy...on top of that move pretty fast and absolutely demolish infantry as long as its not infantry that can in a reliant way fight monstrous infantry or has flaming attacks (or units that are both like the High Elf Dragonborn RoR).		*'''[[Skin Wolve]]s:''' Anti-Large, Regeneration, Frenzy...on top of that move pretty fast and absolutely demolish infantry as long as its not infantry that can in a reliant way fight monstrous infantry or has flaming attacks (or units that are both like the High Elf Dragonborn RoR).
	**You will rely on these guys for intercepting enemy charges and monsters		**You will rely on these guys for intercepting enemy charges and monsters
	*'''Skin Wolves (Armoured):''' Same as above, but with extra armor at the cost of being a tad slower. If micro'ed well and kept from getting pinned down are one of your best units by far. ~~versatile~~ and deadly. vulnerable to getting swarmed ~~and~~ anti-large.		*'''Skin Wolves (Armoured):''' Same as above, but with extra armor at the cost of being a tad slower. If micro'ed well and kept from getting pinned down, are one of your best units by far. Versatile and deadly but vulnerable to getting swarmed by anti-large.
	**'''Maws of Savagery (ROR):''' Same as the above Armoured Skin Wolves, but with better leadership, melee defense and attack, as well as having Vanguard.		**'''Maws of Savagery (ROR):''' Same as the above Armoured Skin Wolves, but with better leadership, melee defense and attack, as well as having Vanguard.
	*'''Fimir Warriors:''' Your tanky anti-armor unit with additional magical attacks. On top of that has Armour-Sundering attacks that give enemies -30 to their armor. Also are Siege Attackers, so you won't need towers and rams if you have them.		*'''Fimir Warriors:''' Your tanky anti-armor unit with additional magical attacks. On top of that has Armour-Sundering attacks that give enemies -30 to their armor. Also are Siege Attackers, so you won't need towers and rams if you have them.
	**'''Mist Stalkers (ROR):''' Like the above, but on top of fear, they also cause Terror and have Vanguard.		**'''Mist Stalkers (ROR):''' Like the above, but on top of fear, they also cause Terror and have Vanguard.
	*'''Fimir Warriors (Great Weapons):''' Same as your vanilla Warriors, but with Great Weapons and with Anti-Large. ~~fine~~ but consider ~~skin wolves~~ armored instead.		*'''Fimir Warriors (Great Weapons):''' Same as your vanilla Warriors, but with Great Weapons and with Anti-Large. Fine but consider armored Skin Wolves instead.

	===Warbeasts===		===Warbeasts===

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Melee Units

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	**'''Brutes of the Hound(ROR):''' Berserkers that are Unbreakable. better at finishing the job of breaking or destroying a unit before they are killed to the man. these can really tear apart almost all early game units.		**'''Brutes of the Hound(ROR):''' Berserkers that are Unbreakable. better at finishing the job of breaking or destroying a unit before they are killed to the man. these can really tear apart almost all early game units.
	*'''Marauder Champions:''' Your Elite infantry, meant to sprinkle them into a line to give your army some hardpoints so the monster has the time to flank. Also, a better line if the enemy shoots a lot of arrows compared to normal Marauders.		*'''Marauder Champions:''' Your Elite infantry, meant to sprinkle them into a line to give your army some hardpoints so the monster has the time to flank. Also, a better line if the enemy shoots a lot of arrows compared to normal Marauders.
	*'''Marauder Champions (Great Weapons):''' Elite AP infantry, better at their can opening jobs then Marauders. Expensive so only mix in a few into a line. ~~get ap~~ somewhere else, they aren't efficient at it. or cost effective.		*'''Marauder Champions (Great Weapons):''' Elite AP infantry, better at their can opening jobs then Marauders. Expensive so only mix in a few into a line. Get AP somewhere else, they aren't efficient at it or cost effective.

	===Missile Infantry===		===Missile Infantry===

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Pros

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	*You like playing as monkes		*You like playing as monkes
	===Pros===		===Pros===
	*'''Monsters''': You have a wide variety of beasties that can fulfill a variety of roles. From monstrous infantry, cavalry, ~~fliers~~ and Mammoths, you have one of the widest variety of monsters in the game.		*'''Monsters''': You have a wide variety of beasties that can fulfill a variety of roles. From monstrous infantry, cavalry, flyers and Mammoths, you have one of the widest variety of monsters in the game.
	*'''Anti Large''': Not only do you have a ton of monsters, but you also have a lot of ways to kill them. A good chunk of your units have the Anti Large bonus, meaning you shouldn't have much in the way of issue with dealing with monsters or cavalry.		*'''Anti Large''': Not only do you have a ton of monsters, but you also have a lot of ways to kill them. A good chunk of your units have the Anti Large bonus, meaning you shouldn't have much in the way of issue with dealing with monsters or cavalry.
	*'''Hard-Hitting Infantry''': Your infantry tend to hit pretty hard for their price point, so you can get in a ton of damage on the front line very fast. If they get in on the right target you will be able to cause quite a bit of damage.		*'''Hard-Hitting Infantry''': Your infantry tend to hit pretty hard for their price point, so you can get in a ton of damage on the front line very fast. If they get in on the right target you will be able to cause quite a bit of damage.

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Monstrous Infantry

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	*'''Norscan Ice Trolls:''' Slightly better than the above. Frostbite will allow you to slow enemies down and make them easier targets.		*'''Norscan Ice Trolls:''' Slightly better than the above. Frostbite will allow you to slow enemies down and make them easier targets.
	*'''[[Skin Wolve]]s:''' Anti-Large, Regeneration, Frenzy...on top of that move pretty fast and absolutely demolish infantry as long as its not infantry that can in a reliant way fight monstrous infantry or has flaming attacks (or units that are both like the High Elf Dragonborn RoR).		*'''[[Skin Wolve]]s:''' Anti-Large, Regeneration, Frenzy...on top of that move pretty fast and absolutely demolish infantry as long as its not infantry that can in a reliant way fight monstrous infantry or has flaming attacks (or units that are both like the High Elf Dragonborn RoR).
			**You will rely on these guys for intercepting enemy charges and monsters
	*'''Skin Wolves (Armoured):''' Same as above, but with extra armor at the cost of being a tad slower. If micro'ed well and kept from getting pinned down are one of your best units by far. versatile and deadly. vulnerable to getting swarmed and anti-large.		*'''Skin Wolves (Armoured):''' Same as above, but with extra armor at the cost of being a tad slower. If micro'ed well and kept from getting pinned down are one of your best units by far. versatile and deadly. vulnerable to getting swarmed and anti-large.
	**'''Maws of Savagery (ROR):''' Same as the above Armoured Skin Wolves, but with better leadership, melee defense and attack, as well as having Vanguard.		**'''Maws of Savagery (ROR):''' Same as the above Armoured Skin Wolves, but with better leadership, melee defense and attack, as well as having Vanguard.

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Cavalry and Chariots

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	===Cavalry and Chariots===		===Cavalry and Chariots===
	*'''Marauder Horsemen:''' This may come as a shock to you, but marauder horsemen are marauders... on horses. They have throwing spears for some ranged combat and regular spears for flanking charges. They serve as a cheap distraction and skirmish chaser but lack the bodies for serious combat.		*'''Marauder Horsemen:''' This may come as a shock to you, but marauder horsemen are marauders... on horses. They have throwing spears for some ranged combat and regular spears for flanking charges. They serve as a cheap distraction and skirmish chaser but lack the bodies for serious combat.
	*'''Marauder Horsemen (Throwing Axes):''' Trading their spears for axes and shields, the throwing axe variety is tougher and more specialized than the standard horsemen.		*'''Marauder Horsemen (Throwing Axes):''' Trading their spears for axes and shields, the throwing axe variety is tougher and more specialized than the standard horsemen; surprisingly decent with their AP missiles. When properly aimed, they can take chunks off characters or armored greatweapon elites.
	*'''Marauder Horsemasters:''' All around better Horsemen, with the stats to actually do some decent work in melee. They aren't anywhere close to knights, but they can cause a lot of pain with a few cycle charges.		*'''Marauder Horsemasters:''' All around better Horsemen, with the stats to actually do some decent work in melee. They aren't anywhere close to knights, but they can cause a lot of pain with a few cycle charges.
	*'''Marauder Chariot:''' Your cheaper harassment chariot. Faster than the wolf variety, but with less damage and utility. Phase them out as soon as you can in the campaign, and seriously consider taking the wolf ones in multi-player.		*'''Marauder Chariot:''' Your cheaper harassment chariot. Faster than the wolf variety, but with less damage and utility. Phase them out as soon as you can in the campaign, and seriously consider taking the wolf ones in multi-player.