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1d4chan>Malekithvsmalekith: /* Multiplayer Strategies */

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Multiplayer Strategies

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	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Beastmen\| Beastmen]]''': If Ogres are high-mass, anti-Charge Defense, Beastmen are high-Charge, low-Mass; basically, you do well on braced guys, they do well flooding flanks, so keep yours protected and use your mass/chaff to keep them stuck-in when they make contact. Your Monstrous Infantry are no match for charging Minotaurs with Great Weapons, but your Monstrous Cav will do a lot of damage on most of the Beastmen's roster. Hunters on Stonehorns and Leadbelchers can deal with Ghorgons, and because Beastmen have low Armor, feel free to leave the Great Weapons at home.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Beastmen\| Beastmen]]''': If Ogres are high-mass, anti-Charge Defense, Beastmen are high-Charge, low-Mass; basically, you do well on braced guys, they do well flooding flanks, so keep yours protected and use your mass/chaff to keep them stuck-in when they make contact. Your Monstrous Infantry are no match for charging Minotaurs with Great Weapons, but your Monstrous Cav will do a lot of damage on most of the Beastmen's roster. Hunters on Stonehorns and Leadbelchers can deal with Ghorgons, and because Beastmen have low Armor, feel free to leave the Great Weapons at home.

	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Bretonnia\| Bretonnia]]''': Bretonnian cavalry being essentially immune to your greatest strength is going to hurt badly. knights of the realm will break through 90% of your roster and will be able to outspeed all of your roster 'even sabertusks'. ~~prepare~~ for ~~pain~~		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Bretonnia\| Bretonnia]]''': Bretonnian cavalry being essentially immune to your greatest strength is going to hurt badly. knights of the realm will break through 90% of your roster and will be able to outspeed all of your roster 'even sabertusks'. However, pound-for-pound your cavalry is the best in the game. If you get a solid charge even GRail Knights will fall to Crushers with great weapons.

	*'''[[Total_War_Warhammer/Tactics/Chaos_Dwarves\| Chaos Dwarfs]]''': You can tackle the Chaos Dwarfs a lot like you'd tackle the regular Dwarfs. Both have excellent shooting but are vulnerable to shooting themselves and both struggle against monsters and cavalry. Gnoblars and Bulls can handle the Dawi-Zharr front lines while Sabretusks and cavalry can flank the enemy and go after their guns. Leadbelchers and/or Ironblasters can keep the Dwarfs from sitting back and bombarding you from a distance You really want to beware of three units here: Blunderbusses, Bull Centaurs, and Deathshriek Rocket Launchers. The Blunderbussies can gun down a giant or Stonehorn with contemptuous ease so it may be better to focus on monstrous infantry and cavalry instead of single model monsters. Bull Centaurs with Great Weapons can crush your Ogre Bulls but they're also not cheap so just try to tie them up with cheaper units. As for the Deathshriekers they can pick apart most of your roster if allowed to fire unimpeded so get some Sabretusks on top of them ASAP.		*'''[[Total_War_Warhammer/Tactics/Chaos_Dwarves\| Chaos Dwarfs]]''': You can tackle the Chaos Dwarfs a lot like you'd tackle the regular Dwarfs. Both have excellent shooting but are vulnerable to shooting themselves and both struggle against monsters and cavalry. Gnoblars and Bulls can handle the Dawi-Zharr front lines while Sabretusks and cavalry can flank the enemy and go after their guns. Leadbelchers and/or Ironblasters can keep the Dwarfs from sitting back and bombarding you from a distance You really want to beware of three units here: Blunderbusses, Bull Centaurs, and Deathshriek Rocket Launchers. The Blunderbussies can gun down a giant or Stonehorn with contemptuous ease so it may be better to focus on monstrous infantry and cavalry instead of single model monsters. Bull Centaurs with Great Weapons can crush your Ogre Bulls but they're also not cheap so just try to tie them up with cheaper units. As for the Deathshriekers they can pick apart most of your roster if allowed to fire unimpeded so get some Sabretusks on top of them ASAP.

1d4chan>Malekithvsmalekith: /* Beasts & Monsters */

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Beasts & Monsters

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	**By the Maw, Stonehorns are so ridiculously good you can expect them to be nerfed by the next balance patch. Stonehorns have practically zero weaknesses besides getting locked in combat with an anti-large monster/monstrous infantry. Its attack animations make it practically immune to being tarpitted by anti-large infantry, it has high armour and missile resistance to cover the usual weakness of monsters vs ranged, and its monstrous charge bonus will flatten any frontline it rams into, letting it get straight into the ranged units cowering behind the enemy shieldwall. It's a little on the slow side compared to the newer monsters of other factions, but it's fast enough to completely scramble the enemy's frontline before the rest of your chungus boys arrive. Stonehorns are your best monster, use them well and often.		**By the Maw, Stonehorns are so ridiculously good you can expect them to be nerfed by the next balance patch. Stonehorns have practically zero weaknesses besides getting locked in combat with an anti-large monster/monstrous infantry. Its attack animations make it practically immune to being tarpitted by anti-large infantry, it has high armour and missile resistance to cover the usual weakness of monsters vs ranged, and its monstrous charge bonus will flatten any frontline it rams into, letting it get straight into the ranged units cowering behind the enemy shieldwall. It's a little on the slow side compared to the newer monsters of other factions, but it's fast enough to completely scramble the enemy's frontline before the rest of your chungus boys arrive. Stonehorns are your best monster, use them well and often.
	**See those Cathayans huddled around their cannons, providing "Harmony"? Sure would be a shame if someone ran them over and wrecked their shit.		**See those Cathayans huddled around their cannons, providing "Harmony"? Sure would be a shame if someone ran them over and wrecked their shit.
	**'''RoR: The Snowhorn of Mourn''': The RoR of the Stonehorn is a funny unit. He has better stats like most RoRs but also gets frostbite and a special ability called "Glacial Shield" that provides substantial missile resistance for a short period, at the cost of slowing the Snowhorn down. Stonehorns are pretty good at tanking missile fire already but this ability makes the Snowhorn almost immune to anything but the heaviest AP missiles. Because the ability has a short duration and decent length cooldown you have to pick when to deploy it very carefully. It might be best to rely on the Snowhorn's regular armor and missile resistance on the approach, as Glacial Shield's slow effect means you'll just be in the line of fire for longer if you pop it too early. However, if you can get into the enemy's back lines and then pop it they will ~~fine~~ you very hard to remove.		**'''RoR: The Snowhorn of Mourn''': The RoR of the Stonehorn is a funny unit. He has better stats like most RoRs but also gets frostbite and a special ability called "Glacial Shield" that provides substantial missile resistance for a short period, at the cost of slowing the Snowhorn down. Stonehorns are pretty good at tanking missile fire already but this ability makes the Snowhorn almost immune to anything but the heaviest AP missiles. Because the ability has a short duration and decent length cooldown you have to pick when to deploy it very carefully. It might be best to rely on the Snowhorn's regular armor and missile resistance on the approach, as Glacial Shield's slow effect means you'll just be in the line of fire for longer if you pop it too early. However, if you can get into the enemy's back lines and then pop it they will find you very hard to remove.

	===Monstrous Cavalry===		===Monstrous Cavalry===

1d4chan>Malekithvsmalekith: /* Beasts & Monsters */

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Beasts & Monsters

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	*'''Gorgers''': Come in groups of eight, unbreakable, stalk, frenzy, and vanguard deployment. Use them like Mournghuls, sneaky flankers to rip apart tasty and tender backlines. Were broken as fuck at launch since they could beat Bloodcrushers and Celestial Dragon Guard in a head on fight despite costing less and being sneaky backline skirmishers instead of frontline bruisers. CA has since slapped them with the nerf bat, sending them back to the sneaky skirmisher role where they should have been the whole time. Extra dangerous if you bring Skrag due to his unique item's ability to buff Gorgers.		*'''Gorgers''': Come in groups of eight, unbreakable, stalk, frenzy, and vanguard deployment. Use them like Mournghuls, sneaky flankers to rip apart tasty and tender backlines. Were broken as fuck at launch since they could beat Bloodcrushers and Celestial Dragon Guard in a head on fight despite costing less and being sneaky backline skirmishers instead of frontline bruisers. CA has since slapped them with the nerf bat, sending them back to the sneaky skirmisher role where they should have been the whole time. Extra dangerous if you bring Skrag due to his unique item's ability to buff Gorgers.

	*'''Slavegiant''': Your normal giant unit, except this time cajoled and beaten into battle by the very people who destroyed their race rather than bribed with booze. Sometimes the Ogres are the absolute worst. Ironically, this is one of the ~~only~~ giants ~~that can regain health thanks~~ to ~~the Trollguts spell~~, making it a lot more tanky if you bring a gut magic caster.		*'''Slavegiant''': Your normal giant unit, except this time cajoled and beaten into battle by the very people who destroyed their race rather than bribed with booze. Sometimes the Ogres are the absolute worst. Ironically, this is one of the better giants in the game purely because the Ogres have access to healing whereas most other factiosn with giants do not, making it a lot more tanky than its peers if you bring a gut magic caster and the Trollguts spell.

	*'''Stonehorn''': Give the Norscan War Mammoth more armor, missile resistance, have it ridden to battle by a hungry Shrek rather than an angry viking, and you've got the Stonehorn. As expected outclasses the Giant in every way and has some of the best armor in your roster. Like an unholy merging of the Mammoth and the Khemrian Warsphinx its bounding animations let it run straight through infantry formations to deliver absolute hell.		*'''Stonehorn''': Give the Norscan War Mammoth more armor, missile resistance, have it ridden to battle by a hungry Shrek rather than an angry viking, and you've got the Stonehorn. As expected outclasses the Giant in every way and has some of the best armor in your roster. Like an unholy merging of the Mammoth and the Khemrian Warsphinx its bounding animations let it run straight through infantry formations to deliver absolute hell.

1d4chan>Malekithvsmalekith: /* Beasts & Monsters */

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Beasts & Monsters

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	*'''Sabretusks''': Similar to high elf war lions, except they have more models, more melee attack, more weapon strength, and run as fast as chaos warhounds with 95(!) speed; great for hunting ranged weapons or chasing down routing units when your monstrous cavalry have better things to trample. Try to keep them away from hard targets, zero armour-piercing damage and rampage means they won't survive if they tangle with an enemy that can properly fight back. A hunter hero can make them incredibly scary in single-player by giving them frenzy, stalk, and vanguard deployment, but they don't get those bonuses in MP.		*'''Sabretusks''': Similar to high elf war lions, except they have more models, more melee attack, more weapon strength, and run as fast as chaos warhounds with 95(!) speed; great for hunting ranged weapons or chasing down routing units when your monstrous cavalry have better things to trample. Try to keep them away from hard targets, zero armour-piercing damage and rampage means they won't survive if they tangle with an enemy that can properly fight back. A hunter hero can make them incredibly scary in single-player by giving them frenzy, stalk, and vanguard deployment, but they don't get those bonuses in MP.
	**Pretty good when following in the wake of a Stonehorn. Smaller war beasts don't normally fare very well when the enemy is braced, but formations are nothing to the Stonehorn.		**Pretty good when following in the wake of a Stonehorn. Smaller war beasts don't normally fare very well when the enemy is braced, but formations are nothing to the Stonehorn.
	**Their rampage can also be an asset. Warhounds are generally very fragile and can be routed easily. Sabertusks however are very ~~stick~~ and if they rampage then it'll be even harder for the enemy to get rid of them. Just make sure they get on the right targets.		**Their rampage can also be an asset. Warhounds are generally very fragile and can be routed easily. Sabertusks however are very sticky and if they rampage then it'll be even harder for the enemy to get rid of them. Just make sure they get on the right targets.

	*'''Gorgers''': Come in groups of eight, unbreakable, stalk, frenzy, and vanguard deployment. Use them like ~~Mournguls~~, sneaky flankers to rip apart tasty and tender backlines. Were broken as fuck at launch since they could beat Bloodcrushers and Celestial Dragon Guard in a head on fight despite costing less and being sneaky backline skirmishers instead of frontline bruisers. CA has since slapped them with the nerf bat, sending them back to the sneaky skirmisher role where they should have been the whole time. Extra dangerous if you bring Skrag due to his unique item's ability to buff Gorgers.		*'''Gorgers''': Come in groups of eight, unbreakable, stalk, frenzy, and vanguard deployment. Use them like Mournghuls, sneaky flankers to rip apart tasty and tender backlines. Were broken as fuck at launch since they could beat Bloodcrushers and Celestial Dragon Guard in a head on fight despite costing less and being sneaky backline skirmishers instead of frontline bruisers. CA has since slapped them with the nerf bat, sending them back to the sneaky skirmisher role where they should have been the whole time. Extra dangerous if you bring Skrag due to his unique item's ability to buff Gorgers.

	*'''Slavegiant''': Your normal giant unit, except this time cajoled and beaten into battle by the very people who destroyed their race rather than bribed with booze. Sometimes the Ogres are the absolute worst. Ironically, this is one of the only giants that can regain health thanks to the Trollguts spell, making it a lot more tanky if you bring a gut magic caster.		*'''Slavegiant''': Your normal giant unit, except this time cajoled and beaten into battle by the very people who destroyed their race rather than bribed with booze. Sometimes the Ogres are the absolute worst. Ironically, this is one of the only giants that can regain health thanks to the Trollguts spell, making it a lot more tanky if you bring a gut magic caster.

1d4chan>Malekithvsmalekith: /* Monstrous Infantry */

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Monstrous Infantry

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	**In Campaign, the Ironfist variant is a cost-effective early-game stack against other Ogres, the additional armor being pretty helpful since none of the Bull variants have AP or Anti-Large anyway.		**In Campaign, the Ironfist variant is a cost-effective early-game stack against other Ogres, the additional armor being pretty helpful since none of the Bull variants have AP or Anti-Large anyway.

	*'''Ironguts''': Your thiccest bois. Comes with armour-piercing melee and are also one of the only armoured units in your entire roster. ~~Expect them~~ to ~~be able to throw down with~~ the ~~best elite units the other factions have to offer~~. Notably lack an ironfist variant, meaning that they can only rely on that extra armor to survive missiles.		*'''Ironguts''': Your thiccest bois. Comes with armour-piercing melee and are also one of the only armoured units in your entire roster. Their stats are pretty decent and include a mild bonus vs infantry, they're your go-to infantry in the mid-game. Notably lack an ironfist variant, meaning that they can only rely on that extra armor to survive missiles.

	*'''Maneaters''': The well-~~travelled~~ mercenaries of your army, they are far more flexible than your standard unit of ogres. They come in a pistol, ironfist and a great weapon variant. The pistol for helping them pepper the enemy before the battle itself is joined, the ironfist for extra survivability and the great weapon for increased charge and a bonus vs large. They also come with Immune to Psych so don't expect to see these guys running away any time soon. Note that Maneaters are basically superior to Ironguts in all stats ''except'' for armour, and are priced accordingly.		*'''Maneaters''': The well-traveled mercenaries of your army, they are far more flexible than your standard unit of ogres. They come in a pistol, ironfist and a great weapon variant. The pistol for helping them pepper the enemy before the battle itself is joined, the ironfist for extra survivability and the great weapon for increased charge and a bonus vs large. They also come with Immune to Psych so don't expect to see these guys running away any time soon. Note that Maneaters are basically superior to Ironguts in all stats ''except'' for armour, and are priced accordingly.
	**'''RoR: Powder Guts''': A pistol variant that is pretty much the normal pistols with better range, accuracy and damage. They do get an ability that gives them buff when they're losing, but overall they're just the normal pistol unit but better.		**'''RoR: Powder Guts''': A pistol variant that is pretty much the normal pistols with better range, accuracy and damage. They do get an ability that gives them buff when they're losing, but overall they're just the normal pistol unit but better.

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Generic Heroes

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	*'''Firebelly''': A caster hero, cooking the army's next meal during the battle with the Lore of Fire. Also has a number of bound abilities, including an explosion for getting out of melee, breath attacks, and a damage reflection buff. Generally a good fighter in melee and a reliable source of magic damage, but with zero armor he can be quite squishy.		*'''Firebelly''': A caster hero, cooking the army's next meal during the battle with the Lore of Fire. Also has a number of bound abilities, including an explosion for getting out of melee, breath attacks, and a damage reflection buff. Generally a good fighter in melee and a reliable source of magic damage, but with zero armor he can be quite squishy.

	*'''Hunter''': A hybrid character with throwing spears, provides buffs to Sabretusks (SP only) and the only character on launch able to use a mount, a massive Stonehorn. His ranged attacks are anti-large on or off the Stonehorn, so he's effective at both sniping and demolishing infantry with his mount. If you play multiplayer, bringing one or two of these guys on a Stonehorn is an auto include. If you bring a Stonehorn as a mount you get [[Creed\|stalk]], a missile resist, a ward save, and AP Anti Large missiles. Oh, and did we mention this is all while only being 100 gold more expensive than a standard Stonehorn?		'''Hunter''': A hybrid character with throwing spears, provides buffs to Sabretusks (SP only) and the only character on launch able to use a mount, a massive Stonehorn. His ranged attacks are anti-large on or off the Stonehorn, so he's effective at both sniping and demolishing infantry with his mount. If you play multiplayer, bringing one or two of these guys on a Stonehorn is an auto include. If you bring a Stonehorn as a mount you get [[Creed\|stalk]], a missile resist, a ward save, and AP Anti Large missiles. Oh, and did we mention this is all while only being 100 gold more expensive than a standard Stonehorn?
			** * Not that you only get Stalk on the stonehorn mount if you also bring one of the Hunter's MP items.
	**A couple Hunters with the "Lower Sabretusk Upkeep" skill can make them essentially free. Throw in the rest of the buffs they give to sabretusks and take the red line buffs from your lord and you can make an extremely cost effective doomstack.		**A couple Hunters with the "Lower Sabretusk Upkeep" skill can make them essentially free. Throw in the rest of the buffs they give to sabretusks and take the red line buffs from your lord and you can make an extremely cost effective doomstack.

1d4chan>Malekithvsmalekith: /* Monstrous Cavalry */

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Monstrous Cavalry

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	*'''Crushers''': Rhinox cavalry. I know. We’re surprised they’ve shown up in the base game too. Essentially an even better version of Mournfangs, they come in two variants, ironfists and great weapons. Does basically everything the Mournfangs do but better. Pound for pound the best heavy cav in Immortal Empires. No other cavalry even comes close to being able to take on crushers with great weapons. War Bear riders are a pretty distant second and everyone else gets absolutely dumpstered. Multiplayer cost efficiency is a problem though. A 1800-1900 point cost means you can buy a squad of mournfangs and an additional squad of ogre bulls or sabertusks for the same price as one crusher cav squad.		*'''Crushers''': Rhinox cavalry. I know. We’re surprised they’ve shown up in the base game too. Essentially an even better version of Mournfangs, they come in two variants, ironfists and great weapons. Does basically everything the Mournfangs do but better. Pound for pound the best heavy cav in Immortal Empires. No other cavalry even comes close to being able to take on crushers with great weapons. War Bear riders are a pretty distant second and everyone else gets absolutely dumpstered. Multiplayer cost efficiency is a problem though. A 1800-1900 point cost means you can buy a squad of mournfangs and an additional squad of ogre bulls or sabertusks for the same price as one crusher cav squad.
	**'''The Sky-Striders''': Meet the strongest cavalry unit in the game to-date, courtesy of stolen Sky-Titan weapons. These guys hit harder than their great weapon cousins, have missile resistance, and frostbite. The enemy ranged won't be able to focus them down as fast and any enemy cavalry they encounter will take massive damage on the charge and be unable to escape. A must-take against cavalry-heavy factions like Bretonnia and still pretty useful against monster heavy factions as well.		**'''RoR: The Sky-Striders''': Meet the strongest cavalry unit in the game to-date, courtesy of stolen Sky-Titan weapons. These guys hit harder than their great weapon cousins, have missile resistance, and frostbite. The enemy ranged won't be able to focus them down as fast and any enemy cavalry they encounter will take massive damage on the charge and be unable to escape. A must-take against cavalry-heavy factions like Bretonnia and still pretty useful against monster heavy factions as well.

	===Artillery===		===Artillery===

1d4chan>Malekithvsmalekith: /* Beasts & Monsters */

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Beasts & Monsters

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	**By the Maw, Stonehorns are so ridiculously good you can expect them to be nerfed by the next balance patch. Stonehorns have practically zero weaknesses besides getting locked in combat with an anti-large monster/monstrous infantry. Its attack animations make it practically immune to being tarpitted by anti-large infantry, it has high armour and missile resistance to cover the usual weakness of monsters vs ranged, and its monstrous charge bonus will flatten any frontline it rams into, letting it get straight into the ranged units cowering behind the enemy shieldwall. It's a little on the slow side compared to the newer monsters of other factions, but it's fast enough to completely scramble the enemy's frontline before the rest of your chungus boys arrive. Stonehorns are your best monster, use them well and often.		**By the Maw, Stonehorns are so ridiculously good you can expect them to be nerfed by the next balance patch. Stonehorns have practically zero weaknesses besides getting locked in combat with an anti-large monster/monstrous infantry. Its attack animations make it practically immune to being tarpitted by anti-large infantry, it has high armour and missile resistance to cover the usual weakness of monsters vs ranged, and its monstrous charge bonus will flatten any frontline it rams into, letting it get straight into the ranged units cowering behind the enemy shieldwall. It's a little on the slow side compared to the newer monsters of other factions, but it's fast enough to completely scramble the enemy's frontline before the rest of your chungus boys arrive. Stonehorns are your best monster, use them well and often.
	**See those Cathayans huddled around their cannons, providing "Harmony"? Sure would be a shame if someone ran them over and wrecked their shit.		**See those Cathayans huddled around their cannons, providing "Harmony"? Sure would be a shame if someone ran them over and wrecked their shit.
	**'''The Snowhorn of Mourn''': The RoR of the Stonehorn is a funny unit. He has better stats like most RoRs but also gets frostbite and a special ability called "Glacial Shield" that provides substantial missile resistance for a short period, at the cost of slowing the Snowhorn down. Stonehorns are pretty good at tanking missile fire already but this ability makes the Snowhorn almost immune to anything but the heaviest AP missiles. Because the ability has a short duration and decent length cooldown you have to pick when to deploy it very carefully. It might be best to rely on the Snowhorn's regular armor and missile resistance on the approach, as Glacial Shield's slow effect means you'll just be in the line of fire for longer if you pop it too early. However, if you can get into the enemy's back lines and then pop it they will fine you very hard to remove.		**'''RoR: The Snowhorn of Mourn''': The RoR of the Stonehorn is a funny unit. He has better stats like most RoRs but also gets frostbite and a special ability called "Glacial Shield" that provides substantial missile resistance for a short period, at the cost of slowing the Snowhorn down. Stonehorns are pretty good at tanking missile fire already but this ability makes the Snowhorn almost immune to anything but the heaviest AP missiles. Because the ability has a short duration and decent length cooldown you have to pick when to deploy it very carefully. It might be best to rely on the Snowhorn's regular armor and missile resistance on the approach, as Glacial Shield's slow effect means you'll just be in the line of fire for longer if you pop it too early. However, if you can get into the enemy's back lines and then pop it they will fine you very hard to remove.

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	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Beastmen\| Beastmen]]''': If Ogres are high-mass, anti-Charge Defense, Beastmen are high-Charge, low-Mass; basically, you do well on braced guys, they do well flooding flanks, so keep yours protected and use your mass/chaff to keep them stuck-in when they make contact. Your Monstrous Infantry are no match for charging Minotaurs with Great Weapons, but your Monstrous Cav will do a lot of damage on most of the Beastmen's roster. Hunters on Stonehorns and Leadbelchers can deal with Ghorgons, and because Beastmen have low Armor, feel free to leave the Great Weapons at home.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Beastmen\| Beastmen]]''': If Ogres are high-mass, anti-Charge Defense, Beastmen are high-Charge, low-Mass; basically, you do well on braced guys, they do well flooding flanks, so keep yours protected and use your mass/chaff to keep them stuck-in when they make contact. Your Monstrous Infantry are no match for charging Minotaurs with Great Weapons, but your Monstrous Cav will do a lot of damage on most of the Beastmen's roster. Hunters on Stonehorns and Leadbelchers can deal with Ghorgons, and because Beastmen have low Armor, feel free to leave the Great Weapons at home.

	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Bretonnia\| Bretonnia]]''': Bretonnian cavalry being essentially immune to your greatest strength is going to hurt badly. knights of the realm will break through 90% of your roster and will be able to outspeed all of your roster 'even sabertusks'. ~~prepare~~ for ~~pain~~		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Bretonnia\| Bretonnia]]''': Bretonnian cavalry being essentially immune to your greatest strength is going to hurt badly. knights of the realm will break through 90% of your roster and will be able to outspeed all of your roster 'even sabertusks'. However, pound-for-pound your cavalry is the best in the game. If you get a solid charge even GRail Knights will fall to Crushers with great weapons.

	*'''[[Total_War_Warhammer/Tactics/Chaos_Dwarves\| Chaos Dwarfs]]''': You can tackle the Chaos Dwarfs a lot like you'd tackle the regular Dwarfs. Both have excellent shooting but are vulnerable to shooting themselves and both struggle against monsters and cavalry. Gnoblars and Bulls can handle the Dawi-Zharr front lines while Sabretusks and cavalry can flank the enemy and go after their guns. Leadbelchers and/or Ironblasters can keep the Dwarfs from sitting back and bombarding you from a distance You really want to beware of three units here: Blunderbusses, Bull Centaurs, and Deathshriek Rocket Launchers. The Blunderbussies can gun down a giant or Stonehorn with contemptuous ease so it may be better to focus on monstrous infantry and cavalry instead of single model monsters. Bull Centaurs with Great Weapons can crush your Ogre Bulls but they're also not cheap so just try to tie them up with cheaper units. As for the Deathshriekers they can pick apart most of your roster if allowed to fire unimpeded so get some Sabretusks on top of them ASAP.		*'''[[Total_War_Warhammer/Tactics/Chaos_Dwarves\| Chaos Dwarfs]]''': You can tackle the Chaos Dwarfs a lot like you'd tackle the regular Dwarfs. Both have excellent shooting but are vulnerable to shooting themselves and both struggle against monsters and cavalry. Gnoblars and Bulls can handle the Dawi-Zharr front lines while Sabretusks and cavalry can flank the enemy and go after their guns. Leadbelchers and/or Ironblasters can keep the Dwarfs from sitting back and bombarding you from a distance You really want to beware of three units here: Blunderbusses, Bull Centaurs, and Deathshriek Rocket Launchers. The Blunderbussies can gun down a giant or Stonehorn with contemptuous ease so it may be better to focus on monstrous infantry and cavalry instead of single model monsters. Bull Centaurs with Great Weapons can crush your Ogre Bulls but they're also not cheap so just try to tie them up with cheaper units. As for the Deathshriekers they can pick apart most of your roster if allowed to fire unimpeded so get some Sabretusks on top of them ASAP.