Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Slaanesh - Revision history

imported>Administrator: 391 revisions imported

2023-06-23T15:22:46Z

391 revisions imported

← Older revision	Revision as of 15:22, 23 June 2023
(No difference)

imported>Administrator: 1 revision imported

2023-06-19T14:26:33Z

1 revision imported

← Older revision	Revision as of 14:26, 19 June 2023
(No difference)

2A01:CB19:7C8:DB00:CA72:A72D:CE73:7B68 at 20:09, 19 May 2023

2023-05-19T20:09:02Z

Show changes

1d4chan>Malekithvsmalekith: /* Multiplayer Strategies */

2023-04-28T14:22:50Z

Multiplayer Strategies

← Older revision		Revision as of 14:22, 28 April 2023
Line 143:		Line 143:
	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Beastmen\| Beastmen]]''': One of a few factions hornyer then you! (Rimshot). They're the only faction with somewhat comparable speed to you, so expect a game of trying to get a charge off while not being charged in turn. Their archers and hybrid Artillery in the Cygor might force you to be a little bolder then you might otherwise want. Over all: an interesting match up.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Beastmen\| Beastmen]]''': One of a few factions hornyer then you! (Rimshot). They're the only faction with somewhat comparable speed to you, so expect a game of trying to get a charge off while not being charged in turn. Their archers and hybrid Artillery in the Cygor might force you to be a little bolder then you might otherwise want. Over all: an interesting match up.

	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Bretonnia\| Bretonnia]]''': This matchup is a bit complicated. Brettonia's missiles + infantry won't be too much of a problem. Men at arms are dead meat to chaos marauders and you can easily outmaneuver screening forces if they're silly enough to box up around ranged units. Their cavalry is a different story. While they're quite susceptible to your abundant AP, they're better at extended combat than you are especially if they brought lore of life and perfect vigor grail knights. More dangerously, Bretonnia has ''the'' best flying cav in the game. Even if you out-race their infantry and put their cavalry on the run, Pegasus Knights have absolutely free reign to pick and choose their fights. Need to [[/d/\|pull out]] of an engagement turning sour? Well, those Pegasus Knights just swooped in and boxed in your forces. However, you have two potential ace in the holes. First, Brettonia hates fighting single entity monsters. Bringing a soul grinder will really throw a monkey wrench in their plans. Second, bringing a lore of Slaanesh caster on a fast mount allows you to screw with their mobile units by AOE snaring them with phantasmagoria and forcing them to rampage with Pavane of Slaanesh. Use it to snipe lords, ruin counter-charges, and force knights into bad positions where they can be rear charged.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Bretonnia\| Bretonnia]]''': This matchup is a bit complicated. Brettonia's missiles + infantry won't be too much of a problem. Men at arms are dead meat to chaos marauders and you can easily outmaneuver screening forces if they're silly enough to box up around ranged units. Their cavalry is a different story. While they're quite susceptible to your abundant AP, they're better at extended combat than you are especially if they brought lore of life and perfect vigor grail knights. More dangerously, Bretonnia has ''the'' best flying cav in the game. Even if you out-race their infantry and put their cavalry on the run, Pegasus Knights have absolutely free reign to pick and choose their fights. Need to [[/d/\|pull out]] of an engagement turning sour? Well, those Pegasus Knights just swooped in and boxed in your forces. However, you have two potential ace in the holes. First, Brettonia hates fighting single entity monsters. Bringing a soul grinder will really throw a monkey wrench in their plans. Second, bringing a lore of Slaanesh caster on a fast mount allows you to screw with their mobile units by AOE snaring them with phantasmagoria and forcing them to rampage with Pavane of Slaanesh. Use it to snipe lords, ruin counter-charges, and force knights into bad positions where they can be rear charged.

			*'''[[Total_War_Warhammer/Tactics/Chaos_Dwarves\| Chaos Dwarfs]]''':

	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Daemons of Chaos\| Daemons of Chaos]]''': They're going to bring khorne and nurgle units. see their sections for how to deal with that, otherwise do your best to abuse speed and try to snipe their low-powered lords with a keeper of secrets or n'kari.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Daemons of Chaos\| Daemons of Chaos]]''': They're going to bring khorne and nurgle units. see their sections for how to deal with that, otherwise do your best to abuse speed and try to snipe their low-powered lords with a keeper of secrets or n'kari.

100.19.7.247: /* Infantry */

2023-03-07T13:52:20Z

Infantry

← Older revision		Revision as of 13:52, 7 March 2023
Line 87:		Line 87:
	*'''Devoted Marauders of Slaanesh (Spears)''': Your only anti large infantry. Increased speed compared to most infantry makes them a bit better at trapping cavalry + chariots, but don't count on them to win vs meaner monsters like Terracotta Sentinels or greater daemons. Pretty crap early tier spearman, after the early game drop them.		*'''Devoted Marauders of Slaanesh (Spears)''': Your only anti large infantry. Increased speed compared to most infantry makes them a bit better at trapping cavalry + chariots, but don't count on them to win vs meaner monsters like Terracotta Sentinels or greater daemons. Pretty crap early tier spearman, after the early game drop them.

	*'''Devoted Marauders of Slaanesh (Hellscourges)''': Patch 2.2 restored their base AP damage, they are back to being ~~you~~ best cheap troop choice for the early/midgame. Good defensive stats and very cost effective.		*'''Devoted Marauders of Slaanesh (Hellscourges)''': Patch 2.2 restored their base AP damage, they are back to being the best cheap troop choice for the early/midgame. Good defensive stats and very cost effective.

	*'''[[Forsaken]]:''' A fast damage dealer notable for being your first decent armored infantry in campaign. Lack of AP means you'll want to replace them with Chaos Warriors or Exalted Daemonettes in the mid-lategame. Honestly crap, basic Marauders are already pretty good at chaff killing and these are overpriced for what they do.		*'''[[Forsaken]]:''' A fast damage dealer notable for being your first decent armored infantry in campaign. Lack of AP means you'll want to replace them with Chaos Warriors or Exalted Daemonettes in the mid-lategame. Honestly crap, basic Marauders are already pretty good at chaff killing and these are overpriced for what they do.

100.19.7.247: /* Infantry */

2023-03-07T13:51:26Z

Infantry

← Older revision		Revision as of 13:51, 7 March 2023
Line 83:		Line 83:
	===Infantry===		===Infantry===

	*'''Devoted Marauders of Slaanesh''': Slannesh's warriors of pain and seduction ([[Emperor's Children\|no, not those guys.]] [[Daemonette\|or those guys.]] [[Hedonites of Slaanesh\|Look, Slaanesh has a lot of freaks working for them, ok?]]) The big difference between these guys and normal Mauraders is that they have Immune to Psych, meaning they are far less likely to run than their cousins in the Warriors of Chaos and Norsca. The standard version also have shields and bonus damage vs infantry. As far as expendable chaff goes, they're pretty damned good for their price. In campaign one of the easiest to get followers gives -15% upkeep to these and the can all get Soporific Musk from the tech tree alongside -10% more upkeep. They are actually very cost effective as long as ~~their~~ fighting lower armor troops and do decent versus more elite units as well, and they are your only unit to global recruit in one turn. Like most of your units they do badly in auto resolve but ~~preform~~ great in manual battles.		*'''Devoted Marauders of Slaanesh''': Slannesh's warriors of pain and seduction ([[Emperor's Children\|no, not those guys.]] [[Daemonette\|or those guys.]] [[Hedonites of Slaanesh\|Look, Slaanesh has a lot of freaks working for them, ok?]]) The big difference between these guys and normal Mauraders is that they have Immune to Psych, meaning they are far less likely to run than their cousins in the Warriors of Chaos and Norsca. The standard version also have shields and bonus damage vs infantry. As far as expendable chaff goes, they're pretty damned good for their price. In campaign one of the easiest to get followers gives -15% upkeep to these and the can all get Soporific Musk from the tech tree alongside -10% more upkeep. They are actually very cost effective as long as they're fighting lower armor troops and do decent versus more elite units as well, and they are your only unit to global recruit in one turn. Like most of your units they do badly in auto resolve but perform great in manual battles.

	*'''Devoted Marauders of Slaanesh (Spears)''': Your only anti large infantry. Increased speed compared to most infantry makes them a bit better at trapping cavalry + chariots, but don't count on them to win vs meaner monsters like Terracotta Sentinels or greater daemons. Pretty crap early tier spearman, after the early game drop them.		*'''Devoted Marauders of Slaanesh (Spears)''': Your only anti large infantry. Increased speed compared to most infantry makes them a bit better at trapping cavalry + chariots, but don't count on them to win vs meaner monsters like Terracotta Sentinels or greater daemons. Pretty crap early tier spearman, after the early game drop them.

100.19.7.247: /* Pros */

2023-03-07T13:49:55Z

Pros

← Older revision		Revision as of 13:49, 7 March 2023
Line 15:		Line 15:
	*'''Immunity to Fear''': A big part of the Mark of Slaanesh on the tabletop was immune to psych. This is carried over as Immune to Psych for your mortal units. Combined with all your daemons being unbreakable, you really won't give a shit about big scary monsters or units.		*'''Immunity to Fear''': A big part of the Mark of Slaanesh on the tabletop was immune to psych. This is carried over as Immune to Psych for your mortal units. Combined with all your daemons being unbreakable, you really won't give a shit about big scary monsters or units.
	*'''Diplomacy''': Few mortals can resist the God(dess) of Pleasure. Unlike other Daemonic Forces, you have diplomatic options at your disposal. This can be useful to close off a front with a non-aggression pact or even ally with factions who otherwise would refuse to talk to you. As of immortal empires, you can dominate any human or elf faction as your vassal including legendary lords. This allows you to recruit allied units to patch the holes in your roster and bring some extra cannon fodder armies to support you on the campaign map.		*'''Diplomacy''': Few mortals can resist the God(dess) of Pleasure. Unlike other Daemonic Forces, you have diplomatic options at your disposal. This can be useful to close off a front with a non-aggression pact or even ally with factions who otherwise would refuse to talk to you. As of immortal empires, you can dominate any human or elf faction as your vassal including legendary lords. This allows you to recruit allied units to patch the holes in your roster and bring some extra cannon fodder armies to support you on the campaign map.
	*'''~~Free~~ Campaign Armies''': Slaanesh is deceptively powerful on the campaign map due to his ability to pump out free 20 stack disciple armies almost at will. They can't reproduce exponentially like Khorne's armies can, but they stick around alot longer. Great for backline garrison duty or to be sacrificed in the field skaven style to keep your real armies from taking casualties.		*'''Discount Campaign Armies''': Slaanesh is deceptively powerful on the campaign map due to his ability to pump out free 20 stack disciple armies almost at will. They can't reproduce exponentially like Khorne's armies can, but they stick around alot longer. Great for backline garrison duty or to be sacrificed in the field skaven style to keep your real armies from taking casualties.
	*'''Leadership Shenanigans''': You cant rout the demons you spend most of your time fighting in the realm of chaos campaign but you're great at routing the high elves, dark elves, and Brettonians that you'll spend most of your time fighting in Immortal Empires.		*'''Leadership Shenanigans''': You cant rout the demons you spend most of your time fighting in the realm of chaos campaign but you're great at routing the high elves, dark elves, and Brettonians that you'll spend most of your time fighting in Immortal Empires.
	*'''Doomstacks''': patch 1.2 gave greater demons bound spells instead of being crappy spell casters, now all the monogod factions except khorne can get the up to 2 uses of their entire respective demonic spell lore as bounds spells for each greater demon they bring, this has made bring 17-19 of these in a doomstack by far the most overpowered army comp in campaign, Every single greater demon now provides like a hundred extra WOM worth of spells for free. once you can afford a pure stack of these there is basically no reason to use any other unit anymore. you can easily wipe 2-3 full enemy stacks and cheese your way through the endgame. ironically this mean that in campaign Bloodthirsters went from being probably the best greater demon to the worst overnight. This applies equally to slaanesh, nurgle, and tzeentch but not khorne or legions of chaos.		*'''Doomstacks''': patch 1.2 gave greater demons bound spells instead of being crappy spell casters, now all the monogod factions except khorne can get the up to 2 uses of their entire respective demonic spell lore as bounds spells for each greater demon they bring, this has made bring 17-19 of these in a doomstack by far the most overpowered army comp in campaign, Every single greater demon now provides like a hundred extra WOM worth of spells for free. once you can afford a pure stack of these there is basically no reason to use any other unit anymore. you can easily wipe 2-3 full enemy stacks and cheese your way through the endgame. ironically this mean that in campaign Bloodthirsters went from being probably the best greater demon to the worst overnight. This applies equally to slaanesh, nurgle, and tzeentch but not khorne or legions of chaos.

100.19.7.247: /* Pros */

2023-03-07T13:49:35Z

Pros

← Older revision		Revision as of 13:49, 7 March 2023
Line 14:		Line 14:
	*'''Fatigue fighting''': Fatigue heavily penalizes melee attack and armor stacking to -30% melee attack and -25% armor when a unit is completely exhausted. Melee defense remains surprisingly good with only a maximum -10% penalty from fatigue. This significantly benefits you since most of your units rely on melee defense and ward saves for survival. While you're not going to outlast Nurgle or any faction with lore of life, your army of half naked tarts will fight. . .well not better but less bad compared to other factions the longer a battle drags on.		*'''Fatigue fighting''': Fatigue heavily penalizes melee attack and armor stacking to -30% melee attack and -25% armor when a unit is completely exhausted. Melee defense remains surprisingly good with only a maximum -10% penalty from fatigue. This significantly benefits you since most of your units rely on melee defense and ward saves for survival. While you're not going to outlast Nurgle or any faction with lore of life, your army of half naked tarts will fight. . .well not better but less bad compared to other factions the longer a battle drags on.
	*'''Immunity to Fear''': A big part of the Mark of Slaanesh on the tabletop was immune to psych. This is carried over as Immune to Psych for your mortal units. Combined with all your daemons being unbreakable, you really won't give a shit about big scary monsters or units.		*'''Immunity to Fear''': A big part of the Mark of Slaanesh on the tabletop was immune to psych. This is carried over as Immune to Psych for your mortal units. Combined with all your daemons being unbreakable, you really won't give a shit about big scary monsters or units.
	*'''Diplomacy''': Few mortals can resist the God(dess) of Pleasure. Unlike other Daemonic Forces, you have diplomatic options at your disposal. This can be useful to close off a front with a non-aggression pact or even ally with factions who otherwise would refuse to talk to you. As of immortal empires, you can dominate any human or elf faction as your vassal including legendary lords. This allows you to recruit allied units to patch the holes in your roster and bring some extra cannon fodder armies to support you on the campaign map.		*'''Diplomacy''': Few mortals can resist the God(dess) of Pleasure. Unlike other Daemonic Forces, you have diplomatic options at your disposal. This can be useful to close off a front with a non-aggression pact or even ally with factions who otherwise would refuse to talk to you. As of immortal empires, you can dominate any human or elf faction as your vassal including legendary lords. This allows you to recruit allied units to patch the holes in your roster and bring some extra cannon fodder armies to support you on the campaign map.
			*'''Free Campaign Armies''': Slaanesh is deceptively powerful on the campaign map due to his ability to pump out free 20 stack disciple armies almost at will. They can't reproduce exponentially like Khorne's armies can, but they stick around alot longer. Great for backline garrison duty or to be sacrificed in the field skaven style to keep your real armies from taking casualties.
	*'''Leadership Shenanigans''': You cant rout the demons you spend most of your time fighting in the realm of chaos campaign but you're great at routing the high elves, dark elves, and Brettonians that you'll spend most of your time fighting in Immortal Empires.		*'''Leadership Shenanigans''': You cant rout the demons you spend most of your time fighting in the realm of chaos campaign but you're great at routing the high elves, dark elves, and Brettonians that you'll spend most of your time fighting in Immortal Empires.
	*'''Doomstacks''': patch 1.2 gave greater demons bound spells instead of being crappy spell casters, now all the monogod factions except khorne can get the up to 2 uses of their entire respective demonic spell lore as bounds spells for each greater demon they bring, this has made bring 17-19 of these in a doomstack by far the most overpowered army comp in campaign, Every single greater demon now provides like a hundred extra WOM worth of spells for free. once you can afford a pure stack of these there is basically no reason to use any other unit anymore. you can easily wipe 2-3 full enemy stacks and cheese your way through the endgame. ironically this mean that in campaign Bloodthirsters went from being probably the best greater demon to the worst overnight. This applies equally to slaanesh, nurgle, and tzeentch but not khorne or legions of chaos.		*'''Doomstacks''': patch 1.2 gave greater demons bound spells instead of being crappy spell casters, now all the monogod factions except khorne can get the up to 2 uses of their entire respective demonic spell lore as bounds spells for each greater demon they bring, this has made bring 17-19 of these in a doomstack by far the most overpowered army comp in campaign, Every single greater demon now provides like a hundred extra WOM worth of spells for free. once you can afford a pure stack of these there is basically no reason to use any other unit anymore. you can easily wipe 2-3 full enemy stacks and cheese your way through the endgame. ironically this mean that in campaign Bloodthirsters went from being probably the best greater demon to the worst overnight. This applies equally to slaanesh, nurgle, and tzeentch but not khorne or legions of chaos.

2A02:1810:4E2C:A900:C5B1:DFB5:E2DA:268: /* Campaign Strategies */

2023-02-26T19:22:31Z

Campaign Strategies

← Older revision		Revision as of 19:22, 26 February 2023
Line 189:		Line 189:
	==Campaign Strategies==		==Campaign Strategies==

	*'''General''': Gifts of Slaanesh should be given to every lord (friend and enemy) that you can find, get the tech that boosts disciples gained from gifts and you'll quickly get a nearly unlimited amount of disciples which turns into nearly unlimited disciple armies. you can use these defensively instead of offensively and can easily pull off keeping a defensive army in every province you own, possibly even EVERY SETTLEMENT you own. The defensive benefits of this are massive and it allows you to field only minimal offensive armies keeping your economy strong, and slaanesh already has the best economy out of all the demon factions, you can build an impressive empire of vassals, defended by tons of free disciple armies. Most of the order factions that threaten you can be seduced into compliance. Its actually a very easy faction to play in campaign. Your cults are most useful to give seductive influence and diplomatic boosts or allow you to recruit more cultists to spread more cults, the disciple granting cult building actually kind of sucks because its measly 5 per turn is nothing compared to the 25 per turn gifts of slaanesh give you. and the disciple army spawn cult is useless, it only spawns with like 5-6 units. Its more efficient to wait for minor factions to be wiped out or confederated before seducing them. To quickly seduce a faction have a cultist spawn a cult in one city, then build the cultist recruitment building to recruit a new cultist who spread to the next city etc, and then repeat with every settlement (you can disband excess cultists when done, if needed). After every settlement has a cult have the mass of cultists spam hero actions on every lord till they all have gifts of Slaanesh, then just wait. It doesn't matter if they declare war on you even. you can simply force them to vassalize once seduction is maxed. You can also destroy the cultist buildings then replace them with the diplomacy boost ones to give a massive boost to diplomatic relations. Nkari's double vassals tribute means you actually get a lot of money from your vassals.		*'''General''': Gifts of Slaanesh should be given to every lord (friend and enemy) that you can find, get the tech that boosts disciples gained from gifts and you'll quickly get a nearly unlimited amount of disciples which turns into nearly unlimited disciple armies. you can use these defensively instead of offensively and can easily pull off keeping a defensive army in every province you own, possibly even EVERY SETTLEMENT you own. The defensive benefits of this are massive and it allows you to field only minimal offensive armies keeping your economy strong, and slaanesh already has the best economy out of all the demon factions, you can build an impressive empire of vassals, defended by tons of free disciple armies. Most of the order factions that threaten you can be seduced into compliance. Its actually a very easy faction to play in campaign. Your cults are most useful to give seductive influence and diplomatic boosts or allow you to recruit more cultists to spread more cults, the disciple granting cult building actually kind of sucks because its measly 5 per turn is nothing compared to the 25 per turn gifts of slaanesh give you. and the disciple army spawn cult is useless, it only spawns with like 5-6 units. Its more efficient to wait for minor factions to be wiped out or confederated before seducing them. To quickly seduce a faction have a cultist spawn a cult in one city, then build the cultist recruitment building to recruit a new cultist who spread to the next city etc, and then repeat with every settlement (you can disband excess cultists when done, if needed). After every settlement has a cult have the mass of cultists spam hero actions on every lord till they all have gifts of Slaanesh, then just wait. It doesn't matter if they declare war on you even. you can simply force them to vassalize once seduction is maxed. You can also destroy the cultist buildings then replace them with the diplomacy boost ones to give a massive boost to diplomatic relations. Nkari's double vassals tribute means you actually get a lot of money from your vassals.

	*'''[[Immortal Empires]]''': N'kari begins in Chrace on the northeastern side of Ulthuan. You'll start with a cult in Saphery and communication with Morathi and can get a head start on seducing both of them so you can force vassalize them later. There's two ways you can kick off the campaign. Take over Ulthuan or sail east and take over Brettonia. Whichever you choose, I recommend vassalizing Cothique or Eltharian so they can cover your flank and so you can ally recruit Lothern sea guard. Slaanesh is lacking in ranged + anti-large and Lothern sea guard can do both jobs relatively well. Also, send a cultist to Norsca when you get the chance. Slaanesh is super popular amongst the chaos types and pretty much all of them will sign trade agreements with you the moment you show up. Ironically Slaanesh plays kind of like evil high elves with tons of vassals and diplomacy. His campaign goals just require you to conquer or vassalize all of Ulthuan then faff around until you reach the occupy/raze/sack requirement. After you take Ulthuan just leave 1-2 disciple armies in every province of the outer ring as defense (or even every outer settlement) then focus on seducing nearby large factions like the dark elves or brettonia as a buffer and source of tribute. you may need to wipe out hexotle or alith anar, but the empire should be too far away and distracted to pose you any real threat. Probably ~~Dont~~ bother with defense buildings in your settlements, your disciple armies are than enough combined with garrisons. Focus all in on economy, maybe skip with resource buildings because your trade income even with tons of resources is pathetic, you only get like 100 gold per trade agreement even with all of ulthuans special resources.		*'''[[Immortal Empires]]''': N'kari begins in Chrace on the northeastern side of Ulthuan. You'll start with a cult in Saphery and communication with Morathi and can get a head start on seducing both of them so you can force vassalize them later. There's two ways you can kick off the campaign. Take over Ulthuan or sail east and take over Brettonia. Whichever you choose, I recommend vassalizing Cothique or Eltharian so they can cover your flank and so you can ally recruit Lothern sea guard. Slaanesh is lacking in ranged + anti-large and Lothern sea guard can do both jobs relatively well. Also, send a cultist to Norsca when you get the chance. Slaanesh is super popular amongst the chaos types and pretty much all of them will sign trade agreements with you the moment you show up. Ironically Slaanesh plays kind of like evil high elves with tons of vassals and diplomacy. His campaign goals just require you to conquer or vassalize all of Ulthuan then faff around until you reach the occupy/raze/sack requirement. After you take Ulthuan just leave 1-2 disciple armies in every province of the outer ring as defense (or even every outer settlement) then focus on seducing nearby large factions like the dark elves or brettonia as a buffer and source of tribute. you may need to wipe out hexotle or alith anar, but the empire should be too far away and distracted to pose you any real threat. Probably Don't bother with defense buildings in your settlements, your disciple armies are than enough combined with garrisons. Focus all in on economy, maybe skip with resource buildings because your trade income even with tons of resources is pathetic, you only get like 100 gold per trade agreement even with all of ulthuans special resources.



	[[Category:Total Warhammer]] {{Total War Warhammer Tactics}}		[[Category:Total Warhammer]] {{Total War Warhammer Tactics}}

2A02:1810:4E2C:A900:C5B1:DFB5:E2DA:268: /* Multiplayer Strategies */

2023-02-26T19:22:06Z

Multiplayer Strategies

← Older revision		Revision as of 19:22, 26 February 2023
Line 164:		Line 164:
	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Kislev\|Kislev]]''': An irritating matchup, since almost every infantry unit of theirs can pepper you with low AP ranged fire and hold surprisingly long thanks to by our blood. Go wide with tons of marauders, you'll need to tie up as many of them as possible if you don't want to get shot to death.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Kislev\|Kislev]]''': An irritating matchup, since almost every infantry unit of theirs can pepper you with low AP ranged fire and hold surprisingly long thanks to by our blood. Go wide with tons of marauders, you'll need to tie up as many of them as possible if you don't want to get shot to death.

	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Lizardmen\| Lizardmen]]''': Stacked in your favor, so long as you ~~dont~~ stay stuck in for too long. Saurus based formations will be child's play to your forces. Slow and heavily armored, even your infantry will be able to cycle charge them with impunity. Larger dinosaurs will be at your tender mercies as well, Soul Grinders, Keepers of Secrets and even just Marauders with Spears or massed AP infantry will be suited to dealing with the heavily armored beasts, but watch out for their healing. Skinks are the opposite of Saurus, being relatively quick infantry that will grind you down one poisoned dart or javelin at a time. You are still ''much'' faster than they are, and by using acquiescence and sopofiric musk, you can easily make a meal out of them once you catch them; even daemonettes can handle skinks if you can get the charge off. Units to be particularly wary of will be the Terradon Riders. You can do virtually nothing as they rain poisonous javelins from the sky, crippling and slowing your forces to be a better match for Skink Cohorts or Chameleon Stalkers. So long as you keep on the move, cycle charge their forces and try to waste as much ammo as you can, they'll eventually be forced to commit to a losing fight. Furies are a must-pick here as terradon riders can be reliably countered by them without backup.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Lizardmen\| Lizardmen]]''': Stacked in your favor, so long as you don't stay stuck in for too long. Saurus based formations will be child's play to your forces. Slow and heavily armored, even your infantry will be able to cycle charge them with impunity. Larger dinosaurs will be at your tender mercies as well, Soul Grinders, Keepers of Secrets and even just Marauders with Spears or massed AP infantry will be suited to dealing with the heavily armored beasts, but watch out for their healing. Skinks are the opposite of Saurus, being relatively quick infantry that will grind you down one poisoned dart or javelin at a time. You are still ''much'' faster than they are, and by using acquiescence and sopofiric musk, you can easily make a meal out of them once you catch them; even daemonettes can handle skinks if you can get the charge off. Units to be particularly wary of will be the Terradon Riders. You can do virtually nothing as they rain poisonous javelins from the sky, crippling and slowing your forces to be a better match for Skink Cohorts or Chameleon Stalkers. So long as you keep on the move, cycle charge their forces and try to waste as much ammo as you can, they'll eventually be forced to commit to a losing fight. Furies are a must-pick here as terradon riders can be reliably countered by them without backup.

	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Norsca\| Norsca]]''': A rough matchup, norscan beserkers have no armour but a fuck ton of infantry-shredding power, You might be tempted to bring along marauders with their anti-inf bonus to counter but any norscan player worth their salt WILL bring mammoths which you have little to no options to deal with.A tough matchup but winnable if you can manage to take favorable engagements with your speed but if the norscan player wises up and turtles up you're in for a rough time.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Norsca\| Norsca]]''': A rough matchup, norscan beserkers have no armour but a fuck ton of infantry-shredding power, You might be tempted to bring along marauders with their anti-inf bonus to counter but any norscan player worth their salt WILL bring mammoths which you have little to no options to deal with.A tough matchup but winnable if you can manage to take favorable engagements with your speed but if the norscan player wises up and turtles up you're in for a rough time.

← Older revision		Revision as of 14:22, 28 April 2023
Line 143:		Line 143:
	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Beastmen\| Beastmen]]''': One of a few factions hornyer then you! (Rimshot). They're the only faction with somewhat comparable speed to you, so expect a game of trying to get a charge off while not being charged in turn. Their archers and hybrid Artillery in the Cygor might force you to be a little bolder then you might otherwise want. Over all: an interesting match up.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Beastmen\| Beastmen]]''': One of a few factions hornyer then you! (Rimshot). They're the only faction with somewhat comparable speed to you, so expect a game of trying to get a charge off while not being charged in turn. Their archers and hybrid Artillery in the Cygor might force you to be a little bolder then you might otherwise want. Over all: an interesting match up.

	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Bretonnia\| Bretonnia]]''': This matchup is a bit complicated. Brettonia's missiles + infantry won't be too much of a problem. Men at arms are dead meat to chaos marauders and you can easily outmaneuver screening forces if they're silly enough to box up around ranged units. Their cavalry is a different story. While they're quite susceptible to your abundant AP, they're better at extended combat than you are especially if they brought lore of life and perfect vigor grail knights. More dangerously, Bretonnia has ''the'' best flying cav in the game. Even if you out-race their infantry and put their cavalry on the run, Pegasus Knights have absolutely free reign to pick and choose their fights. Need to [[/d/\|pull out]] of an engagement turning sour? Well, those Pegasus Knights just swooped in and boxed in your forces. However, you have two potential ace in the holes. First, Brettonia hates fighting single entity monsters. Bringing a soul grinder will really throw a monkey wrench in their plans. Second, bringing a lore of Slaanesh caster on a fast mount allows you to screw with their mobile units by AOE snaring them with phantasmagoria and forcing them to rampage with Pavane of Slaanesh. Use it to snipe lords, ruin counter-charges, and force knights into bad positions where they can be rear charged.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Bretonnia\| Bretonnia]]''': This matchup is a bit complicated. Brettonia's missiles + infantry won't be too much of a problem. Men at arms are dead meat to chaos marauders and you can easily outmaneuver screening forces if they're silly enough to box up around ranged units. Their cavalry is a different story. While they're quite susceptible to your abundant AP, they're better at extended combat than you are especially if they brought lore of life and perfect vigor grail knights. More dangerously, Bretonnia has ''the'' best flying cav in the game. Even if you out-race their infantry and put their cavalry on the run, Pegasus Knights have absolutely free reign to pick and choose their fights. Need to [[/d/\|pull out]] of an engagement turning sour? Well, those Pegasus Knights just swooped in and boxed in your forces. However, you have two potential ace in the holes. First, Brettonia hates fighting single entity monsters. Bringing a soul grinder will really throw a monkey wrench in their plans. Second, bringing a lore of Slaanesh caster on a fast mount allows you to screw with their mobile units by AOE snaring them with phantasmagoria and forcing them to rampage with Pavane of Slaanesh. Use it to snipe lords, ruin counter-charges, and force knights into bad positions where they can be rear charged.

			*'''[[Total_War_Warhammer/Tactics/Chaos_Dwarves\| Chaos Dwarfs]]''':

	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Daemons of Chaos\| Daemons of Chaos]]''': They're going to bring khorne and nurgle units. see their sections for how to deal with that, otherwise do your best to abuse speed and try to snipe their low-powered lords with a keeper of secrets or n'kari.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Daemons of Chaos\| Daemons of Chaos]]''': They're going to bring khorne and nurgle units. see their sections for how to deal with that, otherwise do your best to abuse speed and try to snipe their low-powered lords with a keeper of secrets or n'kari.

← Older revision		Revision as of 19:22, 26 February 2023
Line 164:		Line 164:
	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Kislev\|Kislev]]''': An irritating matchup, since almost every infantry unit of theirs can pepper you with low AP ranged fire and hold surprisingly long thanks to by our blood. Go wide with tons of marauders, you'll need to tie up as many of them as possible if you don't want to get shot to death.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Kislev\|Kislev]]''': An irritating matchup, since almost every infantry unit of theirs can pepper you with low AP ranged fire and hold surprisingly long thanks to by our blood. Go wide with tons of marauders, you'll need to tie up as many of them as possible if you don't want to get shot to death.

	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Lizardmen\| Lizardmen]]''': Stacked in your favor, so long as you ~~dont~~ stay stuck in for too long. Saurus based formations will be child's play to your forces. Slow and heavily armored, even your infantry will be able to cycle charge them with impunity. Larger dinosaurs will be at your tender mercies as well, Soul Grinders, Keepers of Secrets and even just Marauders with Spears or massed AP infantry will be suited to dealing with the heavily armored beasts, but watch out for their healing. Skinks are the opposite of Saurus, being relatively quick infantry that will grind you down one poisoned dart or javelin at a time. You are still ''much'' faster than they are, and by using acquiescence and sopofiric musk, you can easily make a meal out of them once you catch them; even daemonettes can handle skinks if you can get the charge off. Units to be particularly wary of will be the Terradon Riders. You can do virtually nothing as they rain poisonous javelins from the sky, crippling and slowing your forces to be a better match for Skink Cohorts or Chameleon Stalkers. So long as you keep on the move, cycle charge their forces and try to waste as much ammo as you can, they'll eventually be forced to commit to a losing fight. Furies are a must-pick here as terradon riders can be reliably countered by them without backup.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Lizardmen\| Lizardmen]]''': Stacked in your favor, so long as you don't stay stuck in for too long. Saurus based formations will be child's play to your forces. Slow and heavily armored, even your infantry will be able to cycle charge them with impunity. Larger dinosaurs will be at your tender mercies as well, Soul Grinders, Keepers of Secrets and even just Marauders with Spears or massed AP infantry will be suited to dealing with the heavily armored beasts, but watch out for their healing. Skinks are the opposite of Saurus, being relatively quick infantry that will grind you down one poisoned dart or javelin at a time. You are still ''much'' faster than they are, and by using acquiescence and sopofiric musk, you can easily make a meal out of them once you catch them; even daemonettes can handle skinks if you can get the charge off. Units to be particularly wary of will be the Terradon Riders. You can do virtually nothing as they rain poisonous javelins from the sky, crippling and slowing your forces to be a better match for Skink Cohorts or Chameleon Stalkers. So long as you keep on the move, cycle charge their forces and try to waste as much ammo as you can, they'll eventually be forced to commit to a losing fight. Furies are a must-pick here as terradon riders can be reliably countered by them without backup.

	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Norsca\| Norsca]]''': A rough matchup, norscan beserkers have no armour but a fuck ton of infantry-shredding power, You might be tempted to bring along marauders with their anti-inf bonus to counter but any norscan player worth their salt WILL bring mammoths which you have little to no options to deal with.A tough matchup but winnable if you can manage to take favorable engagements with your speed but if the norscan player wises up and turtles up you're in for a rough time.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Norsca\| Norsca]]''': A rough matchup, norscan beserkers have no armour but a fuck ton of infantry-shredding power, You might be tempted to bring along marauders with their anti-inf bonus to counter but any norscan player worth their salt WILL bring mammoths which you have little to no options to deal with.A tough matchup but winnable if you can manage to take favorable engagements with your speed but if the norscan player wises up and turtles up you're in for a rough time.