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	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Tomb Kings\| Tomb Kings]]''':		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Tomb Kings\| Tomb Kings]]''':

	*'''Tzeentch''':		*'''Tzeentch''': Skip the marauder horsemen here, barrier makes them a cost-inefficient choice. This matchup will basically come down to "who can micro their knights better". You're both going to be losing sleep over how to get through the others barrier and ridiculous amount of spell resistance. Bring Lore of Metal to buff your knights and cycle-charge like a madman. If they bring lots of chaos warriors with halberds to counter knights, Horrors and Screamers are probably the cheapest way to deal with them. Don't bother with Vilitch here, he's too slow to be reliably kept in melee and gain all his buffs.

	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Vampire Coast\| Vampire Coast]]''':		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Vampire Coast\| Vampire Coast]]''':

	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Vampire Counts\| Vampire Counts]]''':		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Vampire Counts\| Vampire Counts]]''': Weakness to flame? Slow, plodding infantry? Reliance on spells? Yep, you have a lot of advantages in this matchup, but don't make the mistake of underestimating the Counts. Their Blood Knights WILL beat your Chaos Knights one-on-one with healing support, and while your Doom Knights can beat Vargheists with their anti-large, a smart Counts player will just stuff them up by spamming so many cheap, fast Fell Bats that you'd think you were in Gotham City. Luckily, Lore of Tzeentch is fantastic here, with Pink Fire being great for clearing out zombies and the like, and Blue Fire being able to target their cavalry and single entities. Gateway/Firestorm are also handy for punishing blobs. However, don't bring LoC due to the aforementioned Fell Bat difficulty. Vilitch will happily carve through chaff all day, and give bonuses while he does it. Sure, he won't be able to duel a vampire lord, but you should really be focusing down their lord with your Horrors flaming missiles.

	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Wood Elves\| Wood Elves]]''': Another particularly micro-intensive faction with a bit more of a skip to their step than any of your daemons. Wood Elves will be challenging to pin down; much of their missile infantry/cavalry selection is able to fire and move at considerable ranges; many of which outrange your dudes by a lot. Additionally, this constant moving can make it trickier to land breath/vortex spells on them. Having said that, you do have a few good things going for you. If that Wood Elf player was foolish enough to bring Forest Spirits against you, you can easily smoke them with your ample fire-and-magic based attacks. As far as the meaty elves themselves? Virtually none of them are armored, so if you can land a few volleys of...practically any of your own missile units, you'll all but incinerate the lot of them. Just try to stay away from their Bladesingers/Blade Dancers, as they'll carve through your forces just as lethally if you allow them to catch up.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Wood Elves\| Wood Elves]]''': Another particularly micro-intensive faction with a bit more of a skip to their step than any of your daemons. Wood Elves will be challenging to pin down; much of their missile infantry/cavalry selection is able to fire and move at considerable ranges; many of which outrange your dudes by a lot. Additionally, this constant moving can make it trickier to land breath/vortex spells on them. Having said that, you do have a few good things going for you. If that Wood Elf player was foolish enough to bring Forest Spirits against you, you can easily smoke them with your ample fire-and-magic based attacks. As far as the meaty elves themselves? Virtually none of them are armored, so if you can land a few volleys of...practically any of your own missile units, you'll all but incinerate the lot of them. Just try to stay away from their Bladesingers/Blade Dancers, as they'll carve through your forces just as lethally if you allow them to catch up.

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	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Warriors of Chaos\| Warriors of Chaos]]''': Slow, heavily armored and virtually helpless at range? Your mortal servants are practically begging to be torn asunder by your magical might. Take an Exalted Lord of Change with the Lore of Metal to punish them for all that armor plating, some Screamers and a Soul Grinder to deal with their cavalry and monsters, and a Burning Chariot or two to help mulch the rest of them. You'll can absolutely stay out of reach if you'd like to, but it wouldn't hurt to bring some disposable chaff to help pin key units down so that your vortex spells can eviscerate them.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Warriors of Chaos\| Warriors of Chaos]]''': Slow, heavily armored and virtually helpless at range? Your mortal servants are practically begging to be torn asunder by your magical might. Take an Exalted Lord of Change with the Lore of Metal to punish them for all that armor plating, some Screamers and a Soul Grinder to deal with their cavalry and monsters, and a Burning Chariot or two to help mulch the rest of them. You'll can absolutely stay out of reach if you'd like to, but it wouldn't hurt to bring some disposable chaff to help pin key units down so that your vortex spells can eviscerate them.

	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Dark Elves\| Dark Elves]]''': An interesting matchup. Besides Wood Elves, the Dark Elves may be the only faction that can rival you in terms of mid-to-short ranged power. They outclass you in melee, but unlike other more one note factions, they also have plenty of skirmish prowess. On the other hand, they're quite squishy (like you), but they don't have any barrier to protect them. First off, it's best not to rely on Chaos Warriors/ Chosen much. The northern elves excel at taking them out with their fearsome amounts of ap. You're not going to rely on winning the melee fight anyway, and marauders with their magical attacks will trade upwards into Witch Elves/Sisters if your opponent is dumb enough to bring them. They'll also stuff up Bleakswords/Dreadspears enough for your real units to get the killing done. Their skirmishers may do more damage than yours, but your Marauder Horsemen of Tzeentch outrange them and have barrier, so they're a great choice to zone out any Dark Rider crossbows. Do watch out for the melee Dark Riders though, who are cheap and fast enough to keep up with even your faster land units. Dark Elves don't have a great air presence, so mobile air units such as Doom Knights or Burning Chariots can put in a lot of work if used right. Flamers and Pink Fire are also fantastic against that tightly packed elven infantry. Don't even think about bringing Vilitch here as he will get absolutely devolved. Chaos Sorcerer on a disc or maybe Kairos is probably your go to lord. Bottom line: you need to be on top of your micro even more so than other factions because if those ap volleys find valuable targets with their barrier down, things are going to get real scary, real quick.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Dark Elves\| Dark Elves]]''': An interesting matchup. Besides Wood Elves, the Dark Elves may be the only faction that can rival you in terms of mid-to-short ranged power. Luckily, this means your get to fight on your terms, but so do they. They outclass you in melee, but unlike other more one note factions, they also have plenty of skirmish prowess. On the other hand, they're quite squishy (like you), but they don't have any barrier to protect them. First off, it's best not to rely on Chaos Warriors/ Chosen much. The northern elves excel at taking them out with their fearsome amounts of ap. You're not going to rely on winning the melee fight anyway, and marauders with their magical attacks will trade upwards into Witch Elves/Sisters if your opponent is dumb enough to bring them. They'll also stuff up Bleakswords/Dreadspears enough for your real units to get the killing done. Their skirmishers may do more damage than yours, but your Marauder Horsemen of Tzeentch outrange them and have barrier, so they're a great choice to zone out any Dark Rider crossbows. Do watch out for the melee Dark Riders though, who are cheap and fast enough to keep up with even your faster land units. Dark Elves don't have a great air presence, so mobile air units such as Doom Knights or Burning Chariots can put in a lot of work if used right. Flamers and Pink Fire are also fantastic against that tightly packed elven infantry. Don't even think about bringing Vilitch here as he will get absolutely devolved. Chaos Sorcerer on a disc or maybe Kairos is probably your go to lord. Bottom line: you need to be on top of your micro even more so than other factions because if those ap volleys find valuable targets with their barrier down, things are going to get real scary, real quick.

	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Dwarfs\| Dwarfs]]''': This matchup kinda sucks, not going to lie. All their [[Gunpowder (Warhammer Fantasy)\|gunpowder]] and artillery will make approaching them a daunting prospect and their faction-wide magic resistance will temper your attempts at blowing them up with magic. But not completely. As another heavily armored faction, the Lore of Metal will still do ample work at softening up those tin-can soldiers and they are far from suited to chasing you around the map. If they brought some Gyrocopters, use your Screamers to tear them out of the sky. If you can, drop some Doom Knights or Chaos Knights on their artillery to take them offline before they deal too much damage.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Dwarfs\| Dwarfs]]''': This matchup kinda sucks, not going to lie. All their [[Gunpowder (Warhammer Fantasy)\|gunpowder]] and artillery will make approaching them a daunting prospect and their faction-wide magic resistance will temper your attempts at blowing them up with magic. But not completely. As another heavily armored faction, the Lore of Metal will still do ample work at softening up those tin-can soldiers and they are far from suited to chasing you around the map. If they brought some Gyrocopters, use your Screamers to tear them out of the sky. If you can, drop some Doom Knights or Chaos Knights on their artillery to take them offline before they deal too much damage.

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	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Warriors of Chaos\| Warriors of Chaos]]''': Slow, heavily armored and virtually helpless at range? Your mortal servants are practically begging to be torn asunder by your magical might. Take an Exalted Lord of Change with the Lore of Metal to punish them for all that armor plating, some Screamers and a Soul Grinder to deal with their cavalry and monsters, and a Burning Chariot or two to help mulch the rest of them. You'll can absolutely stay out of reach if you'd like to, but it wouldn't hurt to bring some disposable chaff to help pin key units down so that your vortex spells can eviscerate them.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Warriors of Chaos\| Warriors of Chaos]]''': Slow, heavily armored and virtually helpless at range? Your mortal servants are practically begging to be torn asunder by your magical might. Take an Exalted Lord of Change with the Lore of Metal to punish them for all that armor plating, some Screamers and a Soul Grinder to deal with their cavalry and monsters, and a Burning Chariot or two to help mulch the rest of them. You'll can absolutely stay out of reach if you'd like to, but it wouldn't hurt to bring some disposable chaff to help pin key units down so that your vortex spells can eviscerate them.

	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Dark Elves\| Dark Elves]]''':		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Dark Elves\| Dark Elves]]''': An interesting matchup. Besides Wood Elves, the Dark Elves may be the only faction that can rival you in terms of mid-to-short ranged power. They outclass you in melee, but unlike other more one note factions, they also have plenty of skirmish prowess. On the other hand, they're quite squishy (like you), but they don't have any barrier to protect them. First off, it's best not to rely on Chaos Warriors/ Chosen much. The northern elves excel at taking them out with their fearsome amounts of ap. You're not going to rely on winning the melee fight anyway, and marauders with their magical attacks will trade upwards into Witch Elves/Sisters if your opponent is dumb enough to bring them. They'll also stuff up Bleakswords/Dreadspears enough for your real units to get the killing done. Their skirmishers may do more damage than yours, but your Marauder Horsemen of Tzeentch outrange them and have barrier, so they're a great choice to zone out any Dark Rider crossbows. Do watch out for the melee Dark Riders though, who are cheap and fast enough to keep up with even your faster land units. Dark Elves don't have a great air presence, so mobile air units such as Doom Knights or Burning Chariots can put in a lot of work if used right. Flamers and Pink Fire are also fantastic against that tightly packed elven infantry. Don't even think about bringing Vilitch here as he will get absolutely devolved. Chaos Sorcerer on a disc or maybe Kairos is probably your go to lord. Bottom line: you need to be on top of your micro even more so than other factions because if those ap volleys find valuable targets with their barrier down, things are going to get real scary, real quick.

	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Dwarfs\| Dwarfs]]''': This matchup kinda sucks, not going to lie. All their [[Gunpowder (Warhammer Fantasy)\|gunpowder]] and artillery will make approaching them a daunting prospect and their faction-wide magic resistance will temper your attempts at blowing them up with magic. But not completely. As another heavily armored faction, the Lore of Metal will still do ample work at softening up those tin-can soldiers and they are far from suited to chasing you around the map. If they brought some Gyrocopters, use your Screamers to tear them out of the sky. If you can, drop some Doom Knights or Chaos Knights on their artillery to take them offline before they deal too much damage.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Dwarfs\| Dwarfs]]''': This matchup kinda sucks, not going to lie. All their [[Gunpowder (Warhammer Fantasy)\|gunpowder]] and artillery will make approaching them a daunting prospect and their faction-wide magic resistance will temper your attempts at blowing them up with magic. But not completely. As another heavily armored faction, the Lore of Metal will still do ample work at softening up those tin-can soldiers and they are far from suited to chasing you around the map. If they brought some Gyrocopters, use your Screamers to tear them out of the sky. If you can, drop some Doom Knights or Chaos Knights on their artillery to take them offline before they deal too much damage.

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	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Beastmen\| Beastmen]]''': Getting your units away from the Beastmen is going to be hard as Slaanesh is really the only faction that can reliably out pace them. As such, getting away from them long enough to recharge your barrier might be a bit of a problem. For a frontline I would go for Forsaken, as they can beat all Beastmen infantry aside from Bestigors and if they do bring Bestigors you got more than enough Missiles to bring them down. Beastmen might try to beat you in the Kite game with Throwing Axe Centigors and Ungor Raiders so I would grab a few Furies to tie them down longs enough for Chaos or Doom Knights to get their charge off and finish them off. As for their big monsters, if you can hold off the Hounds and Centigors from getting to your ranged units them I wouldn't worry about them as they have low armor and Pink horrors should be able to melt them. Just make sure those Minotaurs and Ghorgons are tied up with something so they can't get to your backline. As for your lord, a Lord of Change or Kairos should be able to take advantage of their poor leadership and cause a lot of goat people to run from the field. As long as you don't charge one in to fight a Ghorgon or get absorbed by missiles you should be able to keep them safe in the air to cast and let the rest of the army slaughter some cows.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Beastmen\| Beastmen]]''': Getting your units away from the Beastmen is going to be hard as Slaanesh is really the only faction that can reliably out pace them. As such, getting away from them long enough to recharge your barrier might be a bit of a problem. For a frontline I would go for Forsaken, as they can beat all Beastmen infantry aside from Bestigors and if they do bring Bestigors you got more than enough Missiles to bring them down. Beastmen might try to beat you in the Kite game with Throwing Axe Centigors and Ungor Raiders so I would grab a few Furies to tie them down longs enough for Chaos or Doom Knights to get their charge off and finish them off. As for their big monsters, if you can hold off the Hounds and Centigors from getting to your ranged units them I wouldn't worry about them as they have low armor and Pink horrors should be able to melt them. Just make sure those Minotaurs and Ghorgons are tied up with something so they can't get to your backline. As for your lord, a Lord of Change or Kairos should be able to take advantage of their poor leadership and cause a lot of goat people to run from the field. As long as you don't charge one in to fight a Ghorgon or get absorbed by missiles you should be able to keep them safe in the air to cast and let the rest of the army slaughter some cows.

	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Bretonnia\| Bretonnia]]''': ~~The first~~ of the ~~notable micro-heavy armies is not one~~ to ~~be trifled~~ with. ~~Their cavalcade~~ of ~~cavalry will prove downright devastating~~ to ~~any frontline you can muster and any Pink/Blue Horrors would be lucky to get~~ a ~~shot or two off before their knights plow through them~~. ~~Soul Grinders~~ are ~~basically your best/only option for dealing with their high-value cavalry~~, ~~supplemented~~ with ~~some Screamers to help chew through their thick armor~~. ~~Just beware~~ of their ~~Pegasus Knights~~, ~~who can cut down said Screamers~~ and ~~any (Exalted) Lord of Change hapless enough to~~ be ~~airborne~~ with ~~them~~. At the ~~end~~ of ~~the day though~~.~~.. this just isn't your matchup~~.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Bretonnia\| Bretonnia]]''': This used to be a poor matchup for you because of the fantastic mobility of the Bretonnian knights and their ability to fill the screen with chaff making it hard for your shooters to get value. However, as of CoC, this has changed. [[Tzeentch\| Just as planned]]. You'll want to focus on a mortal army. Chaos Warrior Halberds are damn solid units that will trade well into anything large, with the Severed Claw RoR turning up the heat even further. Marauder horsemen of Tzeentch are difficult for your opponent to shoot with their barrier, and will be great at harassing anything with physical resist. <s>Tony Hawk</s> a Chaos Sorcerer lord on his disc w/ sword of change for Pink Horror summons and his barrier replenishment skill can be a real terror in this matchup, as he is able to outrun even the Bretonnian airforce with good micro, and overcast blue fire gets TONS of value vs expensive knights. Screamers and furies are of course a must to tie down anything mobile, or harass peasant bowmen.

	*'''[[Total_War_Warhammer/Tactics/Chaos_Dwarves\| Chaos Dwarfs]]''':		*'''[[Total_War_Warhammer/Tactics/Chaos_Dwarves\| Chaos Dwarfs]]''':
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	As stated before, Tzeentch is just kind of bullshit right now. Barrier is stupidly good, bugs make certain spells way stronger than they should be and all your range means you can obliterate your enemy before they can really hurt you. You have the mobility to take points and due to barrier, magic and range you have the means to hold them too. Of course, you still need to play Tzeentch Like Tzeentch. If you face roll on the keyboard and blob into a melee fight against Khorne or Nurgle then yeah, you're gonna lose and you'll deserve it. However, you have so much good shit right now that that your only real iffy match up is Kislev. The only thing that you have to fear is that CA is inevitably going to beat you half to death with the nerf bat and no amount of future sight is going to protect you from it. Enjoy being top of the meta while it lasts.		As stated before, Tzeentch is just kind of bullshit right now. Barrier is stupidly good, bugs make certain spells way stronger than they should be and all your range means you can obliterate your enemy before they can really hurt you. You have the mobility to take points and due to barrier, magic and range you have the means to hold them too. Of course, you still need to play Tzeentch Like Tzeentch. If you face roll on the keyboard and blob into a melee fight against Khorne or Nurgle then yeah, you're gonna lose and you'll deserve it. However, you have so much good shit right now that that your only real iffy match up is Kislev. The only thing that you have to fear is that CA is inevitably going to beat you half to death with the nerf bat and no amount of future sight is going to protect you from it. Enjoy being top of the meta while it lasts.

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	*'''Micro Intensive''': This is not an army for beginners. It encourages cycle charging and keeping out of an opponents range all without much in the way of a frontline. Though the rapidly recharging shields offer more wiggle room for errors than the likes of the Beastmen/Wood Elves, who are similarly squishy, it can still be very unforgiving when it comes to mistakes so play these guys at your own risk. It did get a lot simpler with the addition or armored infantry, though they may not carry the day for you.		*'''Micro Intensive''': This is not an army for beginners. It encourages cycle charging and keeping out of an opponents range all without much in the way of a frontline. Though the rapidly recharging shields offer more wiggle room for errors than the likes of the Beastmen/Wood Elves, who are similarly squishy, it can still be very unforgiving when it comes to mistakes so play these guys at your own risk. It did get a lot simpler with the addition or armored infantry, though they may not carry the day for you.
	*'''"Friend" is another word for "backstabber"''': As with most of the daemonic factions, diplomacy is not your forte. While the Skaven are insane and duplicitous enough to consider working with you, the ogres who are willing to help you if you offer them anything shiny, and your mortal followers in the Beastmen, Warriors of Chaos, and Norsca are of course willing to help, you will not have too many options for diplomatic gestures beyond them. Sure other factions don't auto declare war on you anymore but with how much they hate you they may as well		*'''"Friend" is another word for "backstabber"''': As with most of the daemonic factions, diplomacy is not your forte. While the Skaven are insane and duplicitous enough to consider working with you, the ogres who are willing to help you if you offer them anything shiny, and your mortal followers in the Beastmen, Warriors of Chaos, and Norsca are of course willing to help, you will not have too many options for diplomatic gestures beyond them. Sure other factions don't auto declare war on you anymore but with how much they hate you they may as well
			*'''Awful Replenishment''': Your unit replenishment rate is stupidly slow and you don't have many ways to bump it up. If an army takes heavy casualties they're out for a while.
	*'''DLC''': Your mortal roster is very shallow unless you open your wallet to flesh it out. While this is a problem for all the monogods, it's much more noticeable for Tzeentch who's missing chaos marauders and chaos warriors by default.		*'''DLC''': Your mortal roster is very shallow unless you open your wallet to flesh it out. While this is a problem for all the monogods, it's much more noticeable for Tzeentch who's missing chaos marauders and chaos warriors by default.

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	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Dark Elves\| Dark Elves]]''':		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Dark Elves\| Dark Elves]]''':

	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Dwarfs\| Dwarfs]]''': This matchup kinda sucks, not going to lie. All their gunpowder and artillery will make approaching them a daunting prospect and their faction-wide magic resistance will temper your attempts at blowing them up with magic. But not completely. As another heavily armored faction, the Lore of Metal will still do ample work at softening up those tin-can soldiers and they are far from suited to chasing you around the map. If they brought some Gyrocopters, use your Screamers to tear them out of the sky. If you can, drop some Doom Knights or Chaos Knights on their artillery to take them offline before they deal too much damage.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Dwarfs\| Dwarfs]]''': This matchup kinda sucks, not going to lie. All their [[Gunpowder (Warhammer Fantasy)\|gunpowder]] and artillery will make approaching them a daunting prospect and their faction-wide magic resistance will temper your attempts at blowing them up with magic. But not completely. As another heavily armored faction, the Lore of Metal will still do ample work at softening up those tin-can soldiers and they are far from suited to chasing you around the map. If they brought some Gyrocopters, use your Screamers to tear them out of the sky. If you can, drop some Doom Knights or Chaos Knights on their artillery to take them offline before they deal too much damage.

	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Empire\| Empire]]''': This matchup works out for you a bit better than the prior entry simply because the Empire isn't quite as heavily armored. Unfortunately, they're also more versatile and swifter due to their cavalry options.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Empire\| Empire]]''': This matchup works out for you a bit better than the prior entry simply because the Empire isn't quite as heavily armored. Unfortunately, they're also more versatile and swifter due to their cavalry options.

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	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Bretonnia\| Bretonnia]]''': The first of the notable micro-heavy armies is not one to be trifled with. Their cavalcade of cavalry will prove downright devastating to any frontline you can muster and any Pink/Blue Horrors would be lucky to get a shot or two off before their knights plow through them. Soul Grinders are basically your best/only option for dealing with their high-value cavalry, supplemented with some Screamers to help chew through their thick armor. Just beware of their Pegasus Knights, who can cut down said Screamers and any (Exalted) Lord of Change hapless enough to be airborne with them. At the end of the day though... this just isn't your matchup.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Bretonnia\| Bretonnia]]''': The first of the notable micro-heavy armies is not one to be trifled with. Their cavalcade of cavalry will prove downright devastating to any frontline you can muster and any Pink/Blue Horrors would be lucky to get a shot or two off before their knights plow through them. Soul Grinders are basically your best/only option for dealing with their high-value cavalry, supplemented with some Screamers to help chew through their thick armor. Just beware of their Pegasus Knights, who can cut down said Screamers and any (Exalted) Lord of Change hapless enough to be airborne with them. At the end of the day though... this just isn't your matchup.

			*'''[[Total_War_Warhammer/Tactics/Chaos_Dwarves\| Chaos Dwarfs]]''':

	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Daemons of Chaos\| Daemons of Chaos]]''': The forces of Daniel have every daemon unit at their fingertips, meaning they can minmax to ruin your day; unless they try to out-Tzeentch you in which case you'll roll over their faces. However, they lack virtually all mortal units, so you can use this to your advantage. A Bloodthirster is a likely pick for killing your LoC/Herald on disc, so Doom Knights backed up by Screamers are a good pick to maintain air superiority; then it's a matter of killing as much of the enemy as possible before they reach your squishy horrors.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Daemons of Chaos\| Daemons of Chaos]]''': The forces of Daniel have every daemon unit at their fingertips, meaning they can minmax to ruin your day; unless they try to out-Tzeentch you in which case you'll roll over their faces. However, they lack virtually all mortal units, so you can use this to your advantage. A Bloodthirster is a likely pick for killing your LoC/Herald on disc, so Doom Knights backed up by Screamers are a good pick to maintain air superiority; then it's a matter of killing as much of the enemy as possible before they reach your squishy horrors.

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	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Tomb Kings\| Tomb Kings]]''':		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Tomb Kings\| Tomb Kings]]''':

	*'''Tzeentch''':		*'''Tzeentch''': Skip the marauder horsemen here, barrier makes them a cost-inefficient choice. This matchup will basically come down to "who can micro their knights better". You're both going to be losing sleep over how to get through the others barrier and ridiculous amount of spell resistance. Bring Lore of Metal to buff your knights and cycle-charge like a madman. If they bring lots of chaos warriors with halberds to counter knights, Horrors and Screamers are probably the cheapest way to deal with them. Don't bother with Vilitch here, he's too slow to be reliably kept in melee and gain all his buffs.

	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Vampire Coast\| Vampire Coast]]''':		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Vampire Coast\| Vampire Coast]]''':

	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Vampire Counts\| Vampire Counts]]''':		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Vampire Counts\| Vampire Counts]]''': Weakness to flame? Slow, plodding infantry? Reliance on spells? Yep, you have a lot of advantages in this matchup, but don't make the mistake of underestimating the Counts. Their Blood Knights WILL beat your Chaos Knights one-on-one with healing support, and while your Doom Knights can beat Vargheists with their anti-large, a smart Counts player will just stuff them up by spamming so many cheap, fast Fell Bats that you'd think you were in Gotham City. Luckily, Lore of Tzeentch is fantastic here, with Pink Fire being great for clearing out zombies and the like, and Blue Fire being able to target their cavalry and single entities. Gateway/Firestorm are also handy for punishing blobs. However, don't bring LoC due to the aforementioned Fell Bat difficulty. Vilitch will happily carve through chaff all day, and give bonuses while he does it. Sure, he won't be able to duel a vampire lord, but you should really be focusing down their lord with your Horrors flaming missiles.

	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Wood Elves\| Wood Elves]]''': Another particularly micro-intensive faction with a bit more of a skip to their step than any of your daemons. Wood Elves will be challenging to pin down; much of their missile infantry/cavalry selection is able to fire and move at considerable ranges; many of which outrange your dudes by a lot. Additionally, this constant moving can make it trickier to land breath/vortex spells on them. Having said that, you do have a few good things going for you. If that Wood Elf player was foolish enough to bring Forest Spirits against you, you can easily smoke them with your ample fire-and-magic based attacks. As far as the meaty elves themselves? Virtually none of them are armored, so if you can land a few volleys of...practically any of your own missile units, you'll all but incinerate the lot of them. Just try to stay away from their Bladesingers/Blade Dancers, as they'll carve through your forces just as lethally if you allow them to catch up.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Wood Elves\| Wood Elves]]''': Another particularly micro-intensive faction with a bit more of a skip to their step than any of your daemons. Wood Elves will be challenging to pin down; much of their missile infantry/cavalry selection is able to fire and move at considerable ranges; many of which outrange your dudes by a lot. Additionally, this constant moving can make it trickier to land breath/vortex spells on them. Having said that, you do have a few good things going for you. If that Wood Elf player was foolish enough to bring Forest Spirits against you, you can easily smoke them with your ample fire-and-magic based attacks. As far as the meaty elves themselves? Virtually none of them are armored, so if you can land a few volleys of...practically any of your own missile units, you'll all but incinerate the lot of them. Just try to stay away from their Bladesingers/Blade Dancers, as they'll carve through your forces just as lethally if you allow them to catch up.

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	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Warriors of Chaos\| Warriors of Chaos]]''': Slow, heavily armored and virtually helpless at range? Your mortal servants are practically begging to be torn asunder by your magical might. Take an Exalted Lord of Change with the Lore of Metal to punish them for all that armor plating, some Screamers and a Soul Grinder to deal with their cavalry and monsters, and a Burning Chariot or two to help mulch the rest of them. You'll can absolutely stay out of reach if you'd like to, but it wouldn't hurt to bring some disposable chaff to help pin key units down so that your vortex spells can eviscerate them.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Warriors of Chaos\| Warriors of Chaos]]''': Slow, heavily armored and virtually helpless at range? Your mortal servants are practically begging to be torn asunder by your magical might. Take an Exalted Lord of Change with the Lore of Metal to punish them for all that armor plating, some Screamers and a Soul Grinder to deal with their cavalry and monsters, and a Burning Chariot or two to help mulch the rest of them. You'll can absolutely stay out of reach if you'd like to, but it wouldn't hurt to bring some disposable chaff to help pin key units down so that your vortex spells can eviscerate them.

	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Dark Elves\| Dark Elves]]''': An interesting matchup. Besides Wood Elves, the Dark Elves may be the only faction that can rival you in terms of mid-to-short ranged power. They outclass you in melee, but unlike other more one note factions, they also have plenty of skirmish prowess. On the other hand, they're quite squishy (like you), but they don't have any barrier to protect them. First off, it's best not to rely on Chaos Warriors/ Chosen much. The northern elves excel at taking them out with their fearsome amounts of ap. You're not going to rely on winning the melee fight anyway, and marauders with their magical attacks will trade upwards into Witch Elves/Sisters if your opponent is dumb enough to bring them. They'll also stuff up Bleakswords/Dreadspears enough for your real units to get the killing done. Their skirmishers may do more damage than yours, but your Marauder Horsemen of Tzeentch outrange them and have barrier, so they're a great choice to zone out any Dark Rider crossbows. Do watch out for the melee Dark Riders though, who are cheap and fast enough to keep up with even your faster land units. Dark Elves don't have a great air presence, so mobile air units such as Doom Knights or Burning Chariots can put in a lot of work if used right. Flamers and Pink Fire are also fantastic against that tightly packed elven infantry. Don't even think about bringing Vilitch here as he will get absolutely devolved. Chaos Sorcerer on a disc or maybe Kairos is probably your go to lord. Bottom line: you need to be on top of your micro even more so than other factions because if those ap volleys find valuable targets with their barrier down, things are going to get real scary, real quick.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Dark Elves\| Dark Elves]]''': An interesting matchup. Besides Wood Elves, the Dark Elves may be the only faction that can rival you in terms of mid-to-short ranged power. Luckily, this means your get to fight on your terms, but so do they. They outclass you in melee, but unlike other more one note factions, they also have plenty of skirmish prowess. On the other hand, they're quite squishy (like you), but they don't have any barrier to protect them. First off, it's best not to rely on Chaos Warriors/ Chosen much. The northern elves excel at taking them out with their fearsome amounts of ap. You're not going to rely on winning the melee fight anyway, and marauders with their magical attacks will trade upwards into Witch Elves/Sisters if your opponent is dumb enough to bring them. They'll also stuff up Bleakswords/Dreadspears enough for your real units to get the killing done. Their skirmishers may do more damage than yours, but your Marauder Horsemen of Tzeentch outrange them and have barrier, so they're a great choice to zone out any Dark Rider crossbows. Do watch out for the melee Dark Riders though, who are cheap and fast enough to keep up with even your faster land units. Dark Elves don't have a great air presence, so mobile air units such as Doom Knights or Burning Chariots can put in a lot of work if used right. Flamers and Pink Fire are also fantastic against that tightly packed elven infantry. Don't even think about bringing Vilitch here as he will get absolutely devolved. Chaos Sorcerer on a disc or maybe Kairos is probably your go to lord. Bottom line: you need to be on top of your micro even more so than other factions because if those ap volleys find valuable targets with their barrier down, things are going to get real scary, real quick.

	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Dwarfs\| Dwarfs]]''': This matchup kinda sucks, not going to lie. All their [[Gunpowder (Warhammer Fantasy)\|gunpowder]] and artillery will make approaching them a daunting prospect and their faction-wide magic resistance will temper your attempts at blowing them up with magic. But not completely. As another heavily armored faction, the Lore of Metal will still do ample work at softening up those tin-can soldiers and they are far from suited to chasing you around the map. If they brought some Gyrocopters, use your Screamers to tear them out of the sky. If you can, drop some Doom Knights or Chaos Knights on their artillery to take them offline before they deal too much damage.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Dwarfs\| Dwarfs]]''': This matchup kinda sucks, not going to lie. All their [[Gunpowder (Warhammer Fantasy)\|gunpowder]] and artillery will make approaching them a daunting prospect and their faction-wide magic resistance will temper your attempts at blowing them up with magic. But not completely. As another heavily armored faction, the Lore of Metal will still do ample work at softening up those tin-can soldiers and they are far from suited to chasing you around the map. If they brought some Gyrocopters, use your Screamers to tear them out of the sky. If you can, drop some Doom Knights or Chaos Knights on their artillery to take them offline before they deal too much damage.

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	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Warriors of Chaos\| Warriors of Chaos]]''': Slow, heavily armored and virtually helpless at range? Your mortal servants are practically begging to be torn asunder by your magical might. Take an Exalted Lord of Change with the Lore of Metal to punish them for all that armor plating, some Screamers and a Soul Grinder to deal with their cavalry and monsters, and a Burning Chariot or two to help mulch the rest of them. You'll can absolutely stay out of reach if you'd like to, but it wouldn't hurt to bring some disposable chaff to help pin key units down so that your vortex spells can eviscerate them.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Warriors of Chaos\| Warriors of Chaos]]''': Slow, heavily armored and virtually helpless at range? Your mortal servants are practically begging to be torn asunder by your magical might. Take an Exalted Lord of Change with the Lore of Metal to punish them for all that armor plating, some Screamers and a Soul Grinder to deal with their cavalry and monsters, and a Burning Chariot or two to help mulch the rest of them. You'll can absolutely stay out of reach if you'd like to, but it wouldn't hurt to bring some disposable chaff to help pin key units down so that your vortex spells can eviscerate them.

	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Dark Elves\| Dark Elves]]''':		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Dark Elves\| Dark Elves]]''': An interesting matchup. Besides Wood Elves, the Dark Elves may be the only faction that can rival you in terms of mid-to-short ranged power. They outclass you in melee, but unlike other more one note factions, they also have plenty of skirmish prowess. On the other hand, they're quite squishy (like you), but they don't have any barrier to protect them. First off, it's best not to rely on Chaos Warriors/ Chosen much. The northern elves excel at taking them out with their fearsome amounts of ap. You're not going to rely on winning the melee fight anyway, and marauders with their magical attacks will trade upwards into Witch Elves/Sisters if your opponent is dumb enough to bring them. They'll also stuff up Bleakswords/Dreadspears enough for your real units to get the killing done. Their skirmishers may do more damage than yours, but your Marauder Horsemen of Tzeentch outrange them and have barrier, so they're a great choice to zone out any Dark Rider crossbows. Do watch out for the melee Dark Riders though, who are cheap and fast enough to keep up with even your faster land units. Dark Elves don't have a great air presence, so mobile air units such as Doom Knights or Burning Chariots can put in a lot of work if used right. Flamers and Pink Fire are also fantastic against that tightly packed elven infantry. Don't even think about bringing Vilitch here as he will get absolutely devolved. Chaos Sorcerer on a disc or maybe Kairos is probably your go to lord. Bottom line: you need to be on top of your micro even more so than other factions because if those ap volleys find valuable targets with their barrier down, things are going to get real scary, real quick.

	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Dwarfs\| Dwarfs]]''': This matchup kinda sucks, not going to lie. All their [[Gunpowder (Warhammer Fantasy)\|gunpowder]] and artillery will make approaching them a daunting prospect and their faction-wide magic resistance will temper your attempts at blowing them up with magic. But not completely. As another heavily armored faction, the Lore of Metal will still do ample work at softening up those tin-can soldiers and they are far from suited to chasing you around the map. If they brought some Gyrocopters, use your Screamers to tear them out of the sky. If you can, drop some Doom Knights or Chaos Knights on their artillery to take them offline before they deal too much damage.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Dwarfs\| Dwarfs]]''': This matchup kinda sucks, not going to lie. All their [[Gunpowder (Warhammer Fantasy)\|gunpowder]] and artillery will make approaching them a daunting prospect and their faction-wide magic resistance will temper your attempts at blowing them up with magic. But not completely. As another heavily armored faction, the Lore of Metal will still do ample work at softening up those tin-can soldiers and they are far from suited to chasing you around the map. If they brought some Gyrocopters, use your Screamers to tear them out of the sky. If you can, drop some Doom Knights or Chaos Knights on their artillery to take them offline before they deal too much damage.

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	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Dark Elves\| Dark Elves]]''':		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Dark Elves\| Dark Elves]]''':

	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Dwarfs\| Dwarfs]]''': This matchup kinda sucks, not going to lie. All their gunpowder and artillery will make approaching them a daunting prospect and their faction-wide magic resistance will temper your attempts at blowing them up with magic. But not completely. As another heavily armored faction, the Lore of Metal will still do ample work at softening up those tin-can soldiers and they are far from suited to chasing you around the map. If they brought some Gyrocopters, use your Screamers to tear them out of the sky. If you can, drop some Doom Knights or Chaos Knights on their artillery to take them offline before they deal too much damage.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Dwarfs\| Dwarfs]]''': This matchup kinda sucks, not going to lie. All their [[Gunpowder (Warhammer Fantasy)\|gunpowder]] and artillery will make approaching them a daunting prospect and their faction-wide magic resistance will temper your attempts at blowing them up with magic. But not completely. As another heavily armored faction, the Lore of Metal will still do ample work at softening up those tin-can soldiers and they are far from suited to chasing you around the map. If they brought some Gyrocopters, use your Screamers to tear them out of the sky. If you can, drop some Doom Knights or Chaos Knights on their artillery to take them offline before they deal too much damage.

	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Empire\| Empire]]''': This matchup works out for you a bit better than the prior entry simply because the Empire isn't quite as heavily armored. Unfortunately, they're also more versatile and swifter due to their cavalry options.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Empire\| Empire]]''': This matchup works out for you a bit better than the prior entry simply because the Empire isn't quite as heavily armored. Unfortunately, they're also more versatile and swifter due to their cavalry options.

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	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Bretonnia\| Bretonnia]]''': The first of the notable micro-heavy armies is not one to be trifled with. Their cavalcade of cavalry will prove downright devastating to any frontline you can muster and any Pink/Blue Horrors would be lucky to get a shot or two off before their knights plow through them. Soul Grinders are basically your best/only option for dealing with their high-value cavalry, supplemented with some Screamers to help chew through their thick armor. Just beware of their Pegasus Knights, who can cut down said Screamers and any (Exalted) Lord of Change hapless enough to be airborne with them. At the end of the day though... this just isn't your matchup.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Bretonnia\| Bretonnia]]''': The first of the notable micro-heavy armies is not one to be trifled with. Their cavalcade of cavalry will prove downright devastating to any frontline you can muster and any Pink/Blue Horrors would be lucky to get a shot or two off before their knights plow through them. Soul Grinders are basically your best/only option for dealing with their high-value cavalry, supplemented with some Screamers to help chew through their thick armor. Just beware of their Pegasus Knights, who can cut down said Screamers and any (Exalted) Lord of Change hapless enough to be airborne with them. At the end of the day though... this just isn't your matchup.

			*'''[[Total_War_Warhammer/Tactics/Chaos_Dwarves\| Chaos Dwarfs]]''':

	*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Daemons of Chaos\| Daemons of Chaos]]''': The forces of Daniel have every daemon unit at their fingertips, meaning they can minmax to ruin your day; unless they try to out-Tzeentch you in which case you'll roll over their faces. However, they lack virtually all mortal units, so you can use this to your advantage. A Bloodthirster is a likely pick for killing your LoC/Herald on disc, so Doom Knights backed up by Screamers are a good pick to maintain air superiority; then it's a matter of killing as much of the enemy as possible before they reach your squishy horrors.		*'''[[Total War Warhammer/Tactics/Daemons of Chaos\| Daemons of Chaos]]''': The forces of Daniel have every daemon unit at their fingertips, meaning they can minmax to ruin your day; unless they try to out-Tzeentch you in which case you'll roll over their faces. However, they lack virtually all mortal units, so you can use this to your advantage. A Bloodthirster is a likely pick for killing your LoC/Herald on disc, so Doom Knights backed up by Screamers are a good pick to maintain air superiority; then it's a matter of killing as much of the enemy as possible before they reach your squishy horrors.