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	Grab Ghorst with only his cart and mortis effect, a couple Necromancers with heals, summons and the power recharge ability, 4 Crypt Horrors, and then just spam skeletons and zombies. There, you're probably going to win roughly 90% of your battles. Everyone will fucking hate you and you really aren't going to have that much fun but hey, at least you win. Because you have so many cheap infantry units that are all unbreakable once you have a point you're pretty much never going to lose it unless you really mess up. Combine all of this with your incredible healing and not even Nurgle will be able to keep up with you in the blob. My only warning is watch out for nerfs, because at some point you are absolutely going to get smacked with the nerf bat.		Grab Ghorst with only his cart and mortis effect, a couple Necromancers with heals, summons and the power recharge ability, 4 Crypt Horrors, and then just spam skeletons and zombies. There, you're probably going to win roughly 90% of your battles. Everyone will fucking hate you and you really aren't going to have that much fun but hey, at least you win. Because you have so many cheap infantry units that are all unbreakable once you have a point you're pretty much never going to lose it unless you really mess up. Combine all of this with your incredible healing and not even Nurgle will be able to keep up with you in the blob. My only warning is watch out for nerfs, because at some point you are absolutely going to get smacked with the nerf bat.

	However, there is one faction who was put in domination whose whole purpose for existing is to burn ass and drink ale, and ~~theyre~~ almost out of ale, the dwarfs, you’re probably wondering right now, “dwarfs? Aren’t they considered a poor faction for domination?” In most cases yes, and that’s because of their poor speed, however they are more than capable of kicking the smug teeth out of any vampire that think their being funny by spamming trash, with irondrakes, blasting charges, bombers and flame cannons, they are one of the best factions for clearing out chaff without depending on magic, and you know what most of your army is? TRASH units, mobs of expendable unbreakable units will quickly cease to exist once the dwarfs start raining hellfire on you, to fight this, you will need to be much smarter than flooding the points as the dwarfs will laugh their asses off while drinking their pints if you do that, best prepare some Pepto-Bismol as fire rains down on you, remember that 90% wins? This the 10% where you lose		However, there is one faction who was put in domination whose whole purpose for existing is to burn ass and drink ale, and they’re almost out of ale, the dwarfs, you’re probably wondering right now, “dwarfs? Aren’t they considered a poor faction for domination?” In most cases yes, and that’s because of their poor speed, however they are more than capable of kicking the smug teeth out of any vampire that think their being funny by spamming trash, with irondrakes, blasting charges, bombers and flame cannons, they are one of the best factions for clearing out chaff without depending on magic, and you know what most of your army is? TRASH units, mobs of expendable unbreakable units will quickly cease to exist once the dwarfs start raining hellfire on you, to fight this, you will need to be much smarter than flooding the points as the dwarfs will laugh their asses off while drinking their pints if you do that, best prepare some Pepto-Bismol as fire rains down on you, remember that 90% wins? This the 10% where you lose

	===Campaign Strategies===		===Campaign Strategies===

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	===Monsters===		===Monsters===

	*'''Vargheists''': They might not look like much, but are actually one of the most cost-effective monstrous infantry in the game. For a meager cost of 700 gold, you get a flying, fairly fast regiment of creatures with Frenzy and The Hunger, that also delivers a tremendous beating with 80 weapon strength, decent melee attack and AP damage. Vargheists will carry your early game armies well into the lategame. Their flight allows them to only pick encounters of your choosing and they certainly have little trouble shutting down enemy flyers that might come your way. ~~take~~ multiple units and keep them cycle charging from the rear to keep them alive.		*'''Vargheists''': They might not look like much, but are actually one of the most cost-effective monstrous infantry in the game. For a meager cost of 700 gold, you get a flying, fairly fast regiment of creatures with Frenzy and The Hunger, that also delivers a tremendous beating with 80 weapon strength, decent melee attack and AP damage. Vargheists will carry your early game armies well into the lategame. Their flight allows them to only pick encounters of your choosing and they certainly have little trouble shutting down enemy flyers that might come your way. Take multiple units and keep them cycle charging from the rear to keep them alive.
	**Vargheists have gained nearly triple their mass in IE, making it a lot easier for them to escape tarpits or barrel things over on the charge.		**Vargheists have gained nearly triple their mass in IE, making it a lot easier for them to escape tarpits or barrel things over on the charge.
	**'''The Devils of Swartzhafen (RoR)''': Vargheists with Terror and Vanguard, which makes them into even more useful shock troops.		**'''The Devils of Swartzhafen (RoR)''': Vargheists with Terror and Vanguard, which makes them into even more useful shock troops.
	*'''Crypt Horrors''': Vargheists, but with poison, and on the ground. Actually not half bad. They retain a good weapon strength and still get AP damage. If you can't win the air battle, Crypt Horrors aren't that bad of a choice, actually.		*'''Crypt Horrors''': Vargheists, but with poison, and on the ground. Actually not half bad. They retain a good weapon strength and still get AP damage. If you can't win the air battle, Crypt Horrors aren't that bad of a choice, actually.
	*'''Varghulf''': This is an iffy one. On campaign, they're absurdly hard to get for a unit with such low survivability. On the other hand, they can reliably engage all infantry in the game and come out on top. Needs good micro and some attention. When they are exposed to things with bonuses against large, they just melt away. ~~hit~~ and run with them for maximum effect, they do it very well. Has less mass than other giant monsters so it will lose duels against beings its size.		*'''Varghulf''': This is an iffy one. On campaign, they're absurdly hard to get for a unit with such low survivability. On the other hand, they can reliably engage all infantry in the game and come out on top. Needs good micro and some attention. When they are exposed to things with bonuses against large, they just melt away. Hit and run with them for maximum effect, they do it very well. Has less mass than other giant monsters so it will lose duels against beings its size.
	*'''Terrorgheist''': If a ranged unit starts attacking them, the breath attack is ready and the said unit is not immune to Terror then burn them, sometimes those two alone are enough to make the ranged unit rout. a specialized, regenerating anti large ap monster, ok vs infantry but really best used on large targets/monsters. breath is wasted on infantry, hit single entities with it.		*'''Terrorgheist''': If a ranged unit starts attacking them, the breath attack is ready and the said unit is not immune to Terror then burn them, sometimes those two alone are enough to make the ranged unit rout. A specialized, regenerating anti large ap monster, ok vs infantry but really best used on large targets/monsters. breath is wasted on infantry, hit single entities with it.
	**Terrorgheists are now healthier, have higher leadership, higher MD and MA and a hefty bit more mass, making the more durable all-round, with a modest price increase in MP.		**Terrorgheists are now healthier, have higher leadership, higher MD and MA and a hefty bit more mass, making the more durable all-round, with a modest price increase in MP.

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	*'''Corpse Cart''' (DLC): Called a Chariot but actually a slow-moving buffing unit. ~~Usually~~, ~~only see base or with~~ Unholy Lodestone ~~for~~ cheap ~~base~~ melee buff or additional regeneration. Balefire nerfs enemy wizards' ability to cast, but that's often hard to get much value from. If you're running a mobile army they are way too slow to keep up. You should stop using them in the campaign's late game~~. Use~~ a Mortis Engine instead for ~~a similar~~ role, but better.		*'''Corpse Cart''' (DLC): Called a Chariot but is actually a slow-moving buffing unit. They come in 3 variants; Corpse Cart, Unholy Lodestone Corpse Cart and Balefire Corpse Cart. The normal Corpse Cart gives a cheap melee buff and the Unholy Lodestone gives additional regeneration. Balefire nerfs enemy wizards' ability to cast, but that's often hard to get much value from. If you're running a mobile army, they are way too slow to keep up. You should stop using them in the campaign's late game, use a Mortis Engine instead for they fill the same role but better.
	*In IE, Balefire Corpse Carts now grant +20% fire resistance, flaming attacks and magical attacks to friendly units. They can turn a relatively weak frontline into a true killing force.		*In IE, Balefire Corpse Carts now grant +20% fire resistance, flaming attacks and magical attacks to friendly units. They can turn a relatively weak frontline into a true killing force.
	*'''Black Coach''': An unstoppable engine of destruction if you're into cycle charging. Extremely quick, fire, magic and AP damage at once and to top it off, also causes fear and terror. It has a bunch of passive abilities that make it much better at leaving unfavorable encounters, however, it is quite susceptible to being intercepted by other heavy cav, utterly useless against big monsters and also quite expensive. Bringing one is quite the gamble, but at least a fun one.
	**Black Coaches now give a variety of ~~aoe~~ buffs to your dudes the more things it kills, making cycle-charging it even more valuable; Black Nimbus remains the same, while Black Scythes gives +50% AP damage and flaming attacks, and Unholy Vigour will restore vigour to your dudes, making it an extremely valuable buffing unit, but a more direct offensive one compared to the purely supportive ~~corpse carts~~ or the Mortis Engine.		*'''Black Coach''': An unstoppable engine of destruction if you're into cycle charging. Extremely quick, deals fire, magic and AP damage at once and to top it off, also causes fear and terror. It has a bunch of passive abilities that make it much better at leaving unfavorable encounters, however, it is quite susceptible to being intercepted by other heavy cav, utterly useless against big monsters and also quite expensive. Bringing one is quite the gamble, but at least a fun one.
	*'''Mortis Engine''' (DLC): The biggest gun the counts have on offer and a downright terrifying one. Mortis Engines are basically upgraded, ethereal ~~corpse carts~~ that not only buff up your undead minions to unholy strength, but also sap the HP of the enemies frontline. They might be slow, but are scary and big targets, and them being ethereal also means that it is quite the hassle for your opponent to get rid of it.		**Black Coaches now give a variety of AoE buffs to your dudes the more things it kills, making cycle-charging it even more valuable; Black Nimbus remains the same, while Black Scythes gives +50% AP damage and flaming attacks, and Unholy Vigour will restore vigour to your dudes, making it an extremely valuable buffing unit, but a more direct offensive one compared to the purely supportive Corpse Carts or the Mortis Engine.

			*'''Mortis Engine''' (DLC): The biggest gun the counts have to offer and is downright terrifying one. Mortis Engines are basically upgraded, ethereal Corpse Carts that not only buff up your undead minions to unholy strength, but also sap the HP of the enemies frontline. They might be slow, but are scary and big targets, and them being ethereal also means that it is quite the hassle for your opponent to get rid of it.
	**Now with Magic Attacks in IE!		**Now with Magic Attacks in IE!
	**'''The Claw of Nagash (RoR)''': Everything that makes the Mortis Engine great, but with the addition of a Chilling Aura that slows enemies around it to make it more difficult to escape its AoE damage aura.		**'''The Claw of Nagash (RoR)''': Everything that makes the Mortis Engine great, but with the addition of a Chilling Aura that slows enemies around it to make it more difficult to escape its AoE damage aura.

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	===Generic Lords===		===Generic Lords===
	*'''Vampire Lord''': Like most of VC, the army is held together by a few strong units with the rest being expendable support. ~~Already~~ a strong melee fighter, able to blow through most infantry~~. All that~~, ~~plus he is~~ a caster of the Lore of Vampires. ~~In MP,~~ He is ~~already~~ expensive and paints a big target on his back to get shot down~~, so only buy what you need on and tray to distribute more of your funds spread across your army~~. Bloodline Lords largely make him obsolete.		*'''Vampire Lord''': Like most of VC, the army is held together by a few strong units with the rest being expendable support. The Vampire Lord is a strong melee fighter, able to blow through most infantry, and a caster of the Lore of Vampires. He is expensive in MP and paints a big target on his back to get shot down. Bloodline Lords largely make him obsolete.

	*'''Master Necromancer''': If you were to look up the word "Redundant" in a dictionary you'd find a picture of this dude's face. As a caster lord he's rather pointless because literally, EVERY lord in the Vampire roster comes with the Lore of Vampires, which is about all he brings to the table. I mean I guess he's cheap compared to a vampire but the bonus you get with them more than makeup for the price increase. Worse yet he has to compete with the ''hero'' version of the Necromancer, who literally does the exact same thing this dude does but for cheaper and you can have more than one of them in an army if you want. The Master Necromancer either needs a serious buff/rework to give us a reason to pick him over any Vampire or even the hero version, or he needs to just be removed from the game because honestly, I don't think anyone will miss him.		*'''Master Necromancer''': If you were to look up the word "Redundant" in a dictionary you'd find a picture of this dude's face. As a caster lord he's rather pointless because literally, EVERY lord in the Vampire roster comes with the Lore of Vampires, which is about all he brings to the table. I mean I guess he's cheap compared to a vampire but the bonus you get with them more than makeup for the price increase. Worse yet he has to compete with the ''hero'' version of the Necromancer, who literally does the exact same thing this dude does but for cheaper and you can have more than one of them in an army if you want. The Master Necromancer either needs a serious buff/rework to give us a reason to pick him over any Vampire or even the hero version, or he needs to just be removed from the game because honestly, I don't think anyone will miss him.

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	==Legendary Lords and Subfactions==		==Legendary Lords and Subfactions==

	*'''[[Mannfred von Carstein]]''': the Legendary vampire Caster Lord himself, having the blender power of an already impressive normal vampire lord plus the full selection of Lore of Vampire and Death. Mannfred is the epitome of a Hybrid Lord; he already starts with a discount Arcane Conduit, and the additional magic power from this alone makes him easily on par with Teclis and Morathi. Unlike these two though, he also is a terrific melee combatant, especially when mounted on a zombie dragon. His access to two full lores is rare and exceptional, plus ~~they are~~ death and vampires some of the best lores.		*'''[[Mannfred von Carstein]]''': the Legendary vampire Caster Lord himself, having the blender power of an already impressive normal vampire lord plus the full selection of Lore of Vampire and Death. Mannfred is the epitome of a Hybrid Lord; he already starts with a discount Arcane Conduit, and the additional magic power from this alone makes him easily on par with Teclis and Morathi. Unlike these two though, he also is a terrific melee combatant, especially when mounted on a zombie dragon. His access to two full lores is rare and exceptional, plus death and vampires are some of the best lores.
	: Mannfred starts in Sylvania proper with Castle Drakenhof. Starting as him can be a bit tedious, as your close proximity to no less than 4 different major order factions that really hate your guts (Reikland, Karaz-a-Karak, Karak Kadrin and The Golden Order) and the shit economy of the VC combined with ludicrous amounts of money your high tier buildings cost, make sure that you have a pretty bad time on Mortal Empires. Try not to push too aggressively into the Elector Counts that surround you, sow your Corruption and you should be fine, but always try to play it safe.		: Mannfred starts in Sylvania proper with Castle Drakenhof. Starting as him can be a bit tedious, as your close proximity to no less than 4 different major order factions that really hate your guts (Reikland, Karaz-a-Karak, Karak Kadrin and The Golden Order) and the shit economy of the VC combined with ludicrous amounts of money your high tier buildings cost, make sure that you have a pretty bad time on Mortal Empires. Try not to push too aggressively into the Elector Counts that surround you, sow your Corruption and you should be fine, but always try to play it safe.

	*'''[[Heinrich Kemmler]]''': Would be the worst legendary lord if not for the fact that he can summon Krell. not much to say in MP except he is a necromancer that summon a strong Wight King and if you pay more, can your side win an engagement and not immediately die.		*'''[[Heinrich Kemmler]]''': Would be the worst legendary lord if not for the fact that he can summon Krell. not much to say in MP except he is a necromancer that can summon a strong Wight King and if you pay more, can make your side win an engagement and not immediately die.
	: more interesting in campaigns as he is far removed from the vampiric cluster of Sylvania to spread mayhem to [[Bretonnia]] and [[Reikland]] from Castle [[Drachenfels]] in the Grey Mountains. he starts with two ghost units, has a good relationship with chaos, doesn't need to roll out the corruption carpet to move and ~~improve~~ recruitment of necromancers ~~heros~~.		: more interesting in campaigns as he is far removed from the vampiric cluster of Sylvania to spread mayhem to [[Bretonnia]] and [[Reikland]] from Castle [[Drachenfels]] in the Grey Mountains. He starts with two ghost units, has a good relationship with chaos, doesn't need to roll out the corruption carpet to move and improved recruitment of necromancers heroes.

	*'''[[Helman Ghorst]]''' (DLC): He would have been the game's first legendary hero if CA had figured out earlier on how that would work, but he is an alternative starting lord for Sylvania. Despite Kemmler's street cred, Ghorst is actually the best and only necromancer lord you should consider in MP. Has Regen for protection and ~~Should~~ always be on his special Lodestone ~~corpses~~ cart to give out his buffs to his troops and passive DPS. ~~what~~ makes him even more worth the cost is ~~summoning~~ a unit of Grave guard or a Wight king instead of regular undead. All this and his price tag make him the best cost-effective caster choice if your trying to save money on a lord.		*'''[[Helman Ghorst]]''' (DLC): He would have been the game's first legendary hero if CA had figured out earlier on how that would work, but he is an alternative starting lord for Sylvania. Despite Kemmler's street cred, Ghorst is actually the best and only necromancer lord you should consider in MP. Has Regen for protection and should always be on his special Lodestone corpse cart to give out his buffs to his troops and passive DPS. What makes him even more worth the cost is The ability to summon a unit of Grave guard or a Wight king instead of regular undead. All this and his price tag make him the best cost-effective caster choice if your trying to save money on a lord.
	:In the campaign, Ghorst is about bringing the zombie apocalypse into Warhammer Fantasy. His red line skills and research tree can buff zombies so much that he can bring a doomstack of nothing but zombies and still be able to grind Kugath and Greasus to dust in a war of attrition.		: in the campaign, Ghorst is about bringing the zombie apocalypse into Warhammer Fantasy. His red line skills and research tree can buff zombies so much that he can bring a doomstack of nothing but zombies and still be able to grind Kugath and Greasus to dust in a war of attrition.

	*'''[[Vlad von Carstein]]''' (FLC): Vlad is perhaps the best melee lord in the entire game, across all factions. He combines a terrific statline with a decent mobility, even on foot, an absurd amount of ward saves that total up to the possible maximum of 90% ''The Hunger, Regeneration and a massive self-heal plus the Lore of Vampires on top of that''. Is there anything that he is weak to? Frankly, fire damage will put a significant dent into his defense line once his abilities are on cooldown as well as being tarpitted (although tarpitting isn't as effective against him as other lords, since he is easily able to slaughter any unit that gets thrown his way) or monstrous creatures, which can keep him busy for a considerable amount of time. Picking Vlad often means for your opponent to play around him and this is something you can and should exploit. ~~better~~ if used as a second lord by Isabella in campaign, his faction benefits are very small (just slightly better campaign movement, vs Isabellas awesome bonuses).		*'''[[Vlad von Carstein]]''' (FLC): Vlad is perhaps the best melee lord in the entire game, across all factions. He combines a terrific statline with a decent mobility, even on foot, an absurd amount of ward saves that total up to the possible maximum of 90% ''The Hunger, Regeneration and a massive self-heal plus the Lore of Vampires on top of that''. Is there anything that he is weak to? Frankly, fire damage will put a significant dent into his defense line once his abilities are on cooldown as well as being tarpitted (although tarpitting isn't as effective against him as other lords, since he is easily able to slaughter any unit that gets thrown his way) or monstrous creatures, which can keep him busy for a considerable amount of time. Picking Vlad often means for your opponent to play around him and this is something you can and should exploit. Better if used as a second lord with Isabella in campaign, his faction benefits are very small (just slightly better campaign movement, vs Isabellas awesome bonuses).
	:In the campaign, he and Isabella will be almost as inseparable as the Sisters of Twilight due to their combat buffs when reinforcing each other. he leads one of the opposed VC factions next door to Mannfred's Sylvania. As your starting lord, he ~~Gives~~ improved campaign movement and gives his personal army Siege attacker and army-wide Vanguard to not give the enemies time to mess with you.		: in the campaign, he and Isabella will be almost as inseparable as the Sisters of Twilight due to their combat buffs when reinforcing each other. He leads one of the opposed VC factions next door to Mannfred's Sylvania. As your starting lord, he gives improved campaign movement and gives his personal army Siege attacker and army-wide Vanguard to not give the enemies time to mess with you.

	*'''[[Isabella von Carstein]]''' (FLC): the ~~Alternative~~ starting lord for the Von Carstein campaign, ~~Giving~~ big bonuses for vampire heroes. In MP ~~She~~ is A Vampire lord with supportive ability ~~Giving~~ out improved Offence and Regeneration to herself and other units. Comes with numerous buffs to monster units. She gives way better campaign ~~bonus~~ than vlad and you get him for free anyway so ALWAYS start with her.		*'''[[Isabella von Carstein]]''' (FLC): the alternative starting lord for the Von Carstein campaign, giving big bonuses for vampire heroes. In MP she is A Vampire lord with supportive ability giving out improved Offence and Regeneration to herself and other units. Comes with numerous buffs to monster units. She gives way better campaign bonusses than vlad and you get him for free anyway so ALWAYS start with her.

	*'''[[The Red Duke]]''' (FLC, MP only): he is in the campaign but you have to confederate with Mousillon to use him. in MP he is more of a duelist lord then the Blood Dragon lord, with his El Syf hex making a target easy picking and cut though its Physical resistance in comparison to the Blood Dragon that is all in on only melee damage.		*'''[[The Red Duke]]''' (FLC, MP only): he is in the campaign but you have to confederate with Mousillon to use him. in MP he is more of a duelist lord then the Blood Dragon lord, with his El Syf hex making a target easy picking and cut though its Physical resistance in comparison to the Blood Dragon that is all in on only melee damage.

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