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	*'''How do we prevent deranged individuals from releasing doomsday tech on the world?''': There already exist basic gene-editing kits using the Cas-CRISPT19 tech mentioned in the section above which allows people to make custom genes in their garage. What is there to sop some lunatic from engineering a virus to be far deadlier than it would have been, or give a new trait to an insect that turns it into a super-pest? Do we ban people from garage-editing their genes with only licensed corps and agencies doing the modding? How do we deal with gene-pirates? In fact, this is the reason why the entire planet has such strong regulations on nuclear and organ transplant technologies, it's something you simply can't let run amok, there is a major field ahead in terms of how you legislate transhumanist-creating technologies.		*'''How do we prevent deranged individuals from releasing doomsday tech on the world?''': There already exist basic gene-editing kits using the Cas-CRISPT19 tech mentioned in the section above which allows people to make custom genes in their garage. What is there to sop some lunatic from engineering a virus to be far deadlier than it would have been, or give a new trait to an insect that turns it into a super-pest? Do we ban people from garage-editing their genes with only licensed corps and agencies doing the modding? How do we deal with gene-pirates? In fact, this is the reason why the entire planet has such strong regulations on nuclear and organ transplant technologies, it's something you simply can't let run amok, there is a major field ahead in terms of how you legislate transhumanist-creating technologies.

	*'''What happens to our society and present socio-economic models if Transhumanism succeeds?''': As demonstrated on none other that our good 'ol Warhammer 40k - the introduction of the [[3D Printing]] technology has sent GW into stealth-panic mode with ever increasing orientation towards [[Video Games]] as they fully realize that the ability to make your own minis will signal the death-knell of them as a company (while the hobby will likely only benefit from this on grassroots-level). With that said, how disruptive would genetic or cybernetic modification be? Would things such as hospitals and schools become obsolete due to improved health and intelligence? If a benevolent AI~~'s and/or super-smart humans and/or super-smart artificial lifeform are~~ developed~~, which are~~ far superior to us in intelligence, should we allow it~~/them~~ to assume executive functions in our leadership structures? Should the state and society as we know it be abolished or should we try to modify it in light of these new developments?		*'''What happens to our society and present socio-economic models if Transhumanism succeeds?''': As demonstrated on none other that our good 'ol Warhammer 40k - the introduction of the [[3D Printing]] technology has sent GW into stealth-panic mode with ever increasing orientation towards [[Video Games]] as they fully realize that the ability to make your own minis will signal the death-knell of them as a company (while the hobby will likely only benefit from this on grassroots-level). With that said, how disruptive would genetic or cybernetic modification be? Would things such as hospitals and schools become obsolete due to improved health and intelligence? If a benevolent AI is developed that is far superior to us in intelligence, should we allow it to assume executive functions in our leadership structures? Should the state and society as we know it be abolished or should we try to modify it in light of these new developments?

	*'''How can you prove a true continuity of consciousness?''': Suppose someone claims that they've been able to successfully upload their consciousness into a machine and have effectively become immortal. One simple question: how do you know that the machine is really you and not just a copy? How do you know that the 'real' you simply died and the machine is just a simulacrum with all your memories and 'thinks' that its the same being as you? There's no real way to prove it, because the machine will believe itself to be the same being no matter what. So it may not be so much a transfer of consciousness, where you as an individual being continue existing from an organic body to a synthetic one, so much as, you die, and a machine programmed with your memories and personality takes your place; but until we have a better understanding of what consciousness even is, we will never know for sure. Lastly, digital processors fail and wear out over time as well and files on the same pc are not transferred from drive to drive either but just copied with the old ones getting written over, now imagine that happening to a mind on a computer.		*'''How can you prove a true continuity of consciousness?''': Suppose someone claims that they've been able to successfully upload their consciousness into a machine and have effectively become immortal. One simple question: how do you know that the machine is really you and not just a copy? How do you know that the 'real' you simply died and the machine is just a simulacrum with all your memories and 'thinks' that its the same being as you? There's no real way to prove it, because the machine will believe itself to be the same being no matter what. So it may not be so much a transfer of consciousness, where you as an individual being continue existing from an organic body to a synthetic one, so much as, you die, and a machine programmed with your memories and personality takes your place; but until we have a better understanding of what consciousness even is, we will never know for sure. Lastly, digital processors fail and wear out over time as well and files on the same pc are not transferred from drive to drive either but just copied with the old ones getting written over, now imagine that happening to a mind on a computer.

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	*'''How do we prevent deranged individuals from releasing doomsday tech on the world?''': There already exist basic gene-editing kits using the Cas-CRISPT19 tech mentioned in the section above which allows people to make custom genes in their garage. What is there to sop some lunatic from engineering a virus to be far deadlier than it would have been, or give a new trait to an insect that turns it into a super-pest? Do we ban people from garage-editing their genes with only licensed corps and agencies doing the modding? How do we deal with gene-pirates? In fact, this is the reason why the entire planet has such strong regulations on nuclear and organ transplant technologies, it's something you simply can't let run amok, there is a major field ahead in terms of how you legislate transhumanist-creating technologies.		*'''How do we prevent deranged individuals from releasing doomsday tech on the world?''': There already exist basic gene-editing kits using the Cas-CRISPT19 tech mentioned in the section above which allows people to make custom genes in their garage. What is there to sop some lunatic from engineering a virus to be far deadlier than it would have been, or give a new trait to an insect that turns it into a super-pest? Do we ban people from garage-editing their genes with only licensed corps and agencies doing the modding? How do we deal with gene-pirates? In fact, this is the reason why the entire planet has such strong regulations on nuclear and organ transplant technologies, it's something you simply can't let run amok, there is a major field ahead in terms of how you legislate transhumanist-creating technologies.

	*'''What happens to our society and present socio-economic models if Transhumanism succeeds?''': As demonstrated on none other that our good 'ol Warhammer 40k - the introduction of the [[3D Printing]] technology has sent GW into stealth-panic mode with ever increasing orientation towards [[Video Games]] as they fully realize that the ability to make your own minis will signal the death-knell of them as a company (while the hobby will likely only benefit from this on grassroots-level). With that said, how disruptive would genetic or cybernetic modification be? Would things such as hospitals and schools become obsolete due to improved health and intelligence? If a benevolent AI is developed ~~that is~~ far superior to us in intelligence, should we allow it to assume executive functions in our leadership structures? Should the state and society as we know it be abolished or should we try to modify it in light of these new developments?		*'''What happens to our society and present socio-economic models if Transhumanism succeeds?''': As demonstrated on none other that our good 'ol Warhammer 40k - the introduction of the [[3D Printing]] technology has sent GW into stealth-panic mode with ever increasing orientation towards [[Video Games]] as they fully realize that the ability to make your own minis will signal the death-knell of them as a company (while the hobby will likely only benefit from this on grassroots-level). With that said, how disruptive would genetic or cybernetic modification be? Would things such as hospitals and schools become obsolete due to improved health and intelligence? If a benevolent AI's and/or super-smart humans and/or super-smart artificial lifeform are developed, which are far superior to us in intelligence, should we allow it/them to assume executive functions in our leadership structures? Should the state and society as we know it be abolished or should we try to modify it in light of these new developments?

	*'''How can you prove a true continuity of consciousness?''': Suppose someone claims that they've been able to successfully upload their consciousness into a machine and have effectively become immortal. One simple question: how do you know that the machine is really you and not just a copy? How do you know that the 'real' you simply died and the machine is just a simulacrum with all your memories and 'thinks' that its the same being as you? There's no real way to prove it, because the machine will believe itself to be the same being no matter what. So it may not be so much a transfer of consciousness, where you as an individual being continue existing from an organic body to a synthetic one, so much as, you die, and a machine programmed with your memories and personality takes your place; but until we have a better understanding of what consciousness even is, we will never know for sure. Lastly, digital processors fail and wear out over time as well and files on the same pc are not transferred from drive to drive either but just copied with the old ones getting written over, now imagine that happening to a mind on a computer.		*'''How can you prove a true continuity of consciousness?''': Suppose someone claims that they've been able to successfully upload their consciousness into a machine and have effectively become immortal. One simple question: how do you know that the machine is really you and not just a copy? How do you know that the 'real' you simply died and the machine is just a simulacrum with all your memories and 'thinks' that its the same being as you? There's no real way to prove it, because the machine will believe itself to be the same being no matter what. So it may not be so much a transfer of consciousness, where you as an individual being continue existing from an organic body to a synthetic one, so much as, you die, and a machine programmed with your memories and personality takes your place; but until we have a better understanding of what consciousness even is, we will never know for sure. Lastly, digital processors fail and wear out over time as well and files on the same pc are not transferred from drive to drive either but just copied with the old ones getting written over, now imagine that happening to a mind on a computer.

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Science and possibility

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	Finally, computer technology is the most versatile and as of this writing the most promising avenue of a big breakthrough happening. The ideal outcome is the development of a benevolent "strong AI" that would be able to think and act in novel ways while also being able to improve itself into a virtual demigodhood while taking us along for the ride. Barring that, a series of Expert Systems (pseudo-AI that are geniuses in a narrow field like driving or chemical research) would help accelerate our scientific progress by years or even decades. IRL this area is currently making the most progress with "Art AI" (which are actually closer to the aforementioned ES than a Hard AI) creating some jaw-dropping pieces of art after studying hundreds of artists for mere weeks. Funnily enough, some of the first things /g/ did was, first, [[Skub\|spam the entirity of 4chan with art of not so jaw-dropping quality for some free thumbs up]] and second,[[That Guy\| bully /ic/ telling all of them were going to end up unemployed soon enough.]] Hey, as [[Colonel-Commissar Ibram Gaunt \| Commissar Gaunt]] said, god-like powers require god-like ethics.		Finally, computer technology is the most versatile and as of this writing the most promising avenue of a big breakthrough happening. The ideal outcome is the development of a benevolent "strong AI" that would be able to think and act in novel ways while also being able to improve itself into a virtual demigodhood while taking us along for the ride. Barring that, a series of Expert Systems (pseudo-AI that are geniuses in a narrow field like driving or chemical research) would help accelerate our scientific progress by years or even decades. IRL this area is currently making the most progress with "Art AI" (which are actually closer to the aforementioned ES than a Hard AI) creating some jaw-dropping pieces of art after studying hundreds of artists for mere weeks. Funnily enough, some of the first things /g/ did was, first, [[Skub\|spam the entirity of 4chan with art of not so jaw-dropping quality for some free thumbs up]] and second,[[That Guy\| bully /ic/ telling all of them were going to end up unemployed soon enough.]] Hey, as [[Colonel-Commissar Ibram Gaunt \| Commissar Gaunt]] said, god-like powers require god-like ethics.

	The technologies that enable the leap to transhumanity thus do exist and if we can maintain the global high-tech civilization to at least ~2100, we should be able to achieve it even by the most conservative estimations. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-028QMrfE7A And by optimistic estimations, it will happen around ~2027-2040]. Whether we are morally prepared to deal with them without devolving into [[Cyberpunk 2020\|a nightmare]] is a completely different story. Whether YOU will survive to those times is also entirely different story, depending on your health and age.		The technologies that enable the leap to transhumanity thus do exist and if we can maintain the global high-tech civilization to at least ~2100, we should be able to achieve it even by the most conservative estimations. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-028QMrfE7A And by optimistic estimations, it will happen around ~2027-2040]. Yeah, most "science fiction" and space operas fooled you, as technological progress is ''a lot'' faster than depicted in such works. Whether we are morally prepared to deal with them without devolving into [[Cyberpunk 2020\|a nightmare]] is a completely different story. Whether YOU will survive to those times is also entirely different story, depending on your health and age.

	To summarize: for transhumans to start popping up in your neighborhood, you need - well developed genetic, cybernetic and computer sciences. One is bare minimum, two will get you steadily on the road and three will be like a nitro boost.		To summarize: for transhumans to start popping up in your neighborhood, you need - well developed genetic, cybernetic and computer sciences. One is bare minimum, two will get you steadily on the road and three will be like a nitro boost.

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Science and possibility

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	Finally, computer technology is the most versatile and as of this writing the most promising avenue of a big breakthrough happening. The ideal outcome is the development of a benevolent "strong AI" that would be able to think and act in novel ways while also being able to improve itself into a virtual demigodhood while taking us along for the ride. Barring that, a series of Expert Systems (pseudo-AI that are geniuses in a narrow field like driving or chemical research) would help accelerate our scientific progress by years or even decades. IRL this area is currently making the most progress with "Art AI" (which are actually closer to the aforementioned ES than a Hard AI) creating some jaw-dropping pieces of art after studying hundreds of artists for mere weeks. Funnily enough, some of the first things /g/ did was, first, [[Skub\|spam the entirity of 4chan with art of not so jaw-dropping quality for some free thumbs up]] and second,[[That Guy\| bully /ic/ telling all of them were going to end up unemployed soon enough.]] Hey, as [[Colonel-Commissar Ibram Gaunt \| Commissar Gaunt]] said, god-like powers require god-like ethics.		Finally, computer technology is the most versatile and as of this writing the most promising avenue of a big breakthrough happening. The ideal outcome is the development of a benevolent "strong AI" that would be able to think and act in novel ways while also being able to improve itself into a virtual demigodhood while taking us along for the ride. Barring that, a series of Expert Systems (pseudo-AI that are geniuses in a narrow field like driving or chemical research) would help accelerate our scientific progress by years or even decades. IRL this area is currently making the most progress with "Art AI" (which are actually closer to the aforementioned ES than a Hard AI) creating some jaw-dropping pieces of art after studying hundreds of artists for mere weeks. Funnily enough, some of the first things /g/ did was, first, [[Skub\|spam the entirity of 4chan with art of not so jaw-dropping quality for some free thumbs up]] and second,[[That Guy\| bully /ic/ telling all of them were going to end up unemployed soon enough.]] Hey, as [[Colonel-Commissar Ibram Gaunt \| Commissar Gaunt]] said, god-like powers require god-like ethics.

	The technologies that enable the leap to transhumanity thus do exist and if we can maintain the global high-tech civilization to at least ~2100, we should be able to achieve it even by the most conservative estimations, ~~that~~ we are morally prepared to deal with them without devolving into [[Cyberpunk 2020\|a nightmare]] is a completely different story.		The technologies that enable the leap to transhumanity thus do exist and if we can maintain the global high-tech civilization to at least ~2100, we should be able to achieve it even by the most conservative estimations. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-028QMrfE7A And by optimistic estimations, it will happen around ~2027-2040]. Whether we are morally prepared to deal with them without devolving into [[Cyberpunk 2020\|a nightmare]] is a completely different story. Whether YOU will survive to those times is also entirely different story, depending on your health and age.

	To summarize: for transhumans to start popping up in your neighborhood, you need - well developed genetic, cybernetic and computer sciences. One is bare minimum, two will get you steadily on the road and three will be like a nitro boost.		To summarize: for transhumans to start popping up in your neighborhood, you need - well developed genetic, cybernetic and computer sciences. One is bare minimum, two will get you steadily on the road and three will be like a nitro boost.

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