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	Post 8th edition. Specialized Bolter rounds are now exclusive to the Deathwatch. Being replaced with Special Issue Boltguns that fire rounds with the [[What\|range of Kraken rounds and the damage of Vengeance Bolts.]] Which isn't as overpowered as it sounds. However it does make the options with a reach under 30" a huge waste on Sternguard Veterans. Making Heavy Weapons the preferred loadout.		Post 8th edition. Specialized Bolter rounds are now exclusive to the Deathwatch. Being replaced with Special Issue Boltguns that fire rounds with the [[What\|range of Kraken rounds and the damage of Vengeance Bolts.]] Which isn't as overpowered as it sounds. However it does make the options with a reach under 30" a huge waste on Sternguard Veterans. Making Heavy Weapons the preferred loadout.

	In the Horus Heresy games there are Seekers Squads instead. Who are Sternguard in all but name and even have their own special ammo. The obvious predecessor before the creation of the Codex Astartes.		In the Horus Heresy games there are Seekers Squads instead. Who are Sternguard in all but name and even have their own special ammo. The obvious predecessor before the creation of the Codex Astartes.

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	After the [[Hive Fleet Behemoth\|Battle for Macragge]], the [[Ultramarines]] formed the Tyrannic War Veterans from the survivors of the battle Companies. Trained by [[Ortan Cassius]], their sole mission is to exterminate all Tyranids. They are more or less Sternguard with a bit of [[Deathwatch]]-light training thrown in to kill Tyranids as quickly as possible.		After the [[Hive Fleet Behemoth\|Battle for Macragge]], the [[Ultramarines]] formed the Tyrannic War Veterans from the survivors of the battle Companies. Trained by [[Ortan Cassius]], their sole mission is to exterminate all Tyranids. They are more or less Sternguard with a bit of [[Deathwatch]]-light training thrown in to kill Tyranids as quickly as possible.

	Tyrannic War Veterans ''are'' actually part of the first company, though they take their orders directly from Chaplain Cassius. They are a select group of Veterans from all companies that survived the Tyrannic Wars, but since they act as a separate unit from the rest of the chapter's organisation this meant a bit of deviation over the [[Codex Astartes]] on the part of [[Marneus Calgar]] before they could be deployed. They all carry relics of the fallen first company, wearing armour pieced together from the previous 1st company veterans, and carrying their old bolters which they load with Hellfire shells. Following the events of the Gathering Storm, they were recognized as an official part of the Chapter organization by Roboute Guilliman.		Tyrannic War Veterans ''are'' actually part of the first company, though they take their orders directly from Chaplain Cassius. They are a select group of Veterans from all companies that survived the Tyrannic Wars, but since they act as a separate unit from the rest of the chapter's organisation this meant a bit of deviation over the [[Codex Astartes]] on the part of [[Marneus Calgar]] before they could be deployed. They all carry relics of the fallen first company, wearing armour pieced together from the previous 1st company veterans, and carrying their old bolters which they load with Hellfire shells. Following the events of the Gathering Storm, they were recognized as an official part of the Chapter organization by Roboute Guilliman.

	They also don't recruit new members, and number only a few dozen, which will inevitably decrease over time and be replaced with "standard" 1st company veterans. That said, following their Primarch's approval many of the Ultramarines' successors began to create similar squads.		They also don't recruit new members, and number only a few dozen, which will inevitably decrease over time and be replaced with "standard" 1st company veterans. That said, following their Primarch's approval many of the Ultramarines' successors began to create similar squads.

	Also, with the Tyranids Codex being the shitfest it was, the powers that be decided to drop in a Dataslate for the Tyrannic War Veterans, being a special formation whose existence is akin to kicking a dying puppy.		Also, with the Tyranids Codex being the shitfest it was, the powers that be decided to drop in a Dataslate for the Tyrannic War Veterans, being a special formation whose existence is akin to kicking a dying puppy.
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	[[image:DarkAngelsCompanyVeterans.png\|200px\|right\|thumb\|Dark Angels Company Veterans]]		[[image:DarkAngelsCompanyVeterans.png\|200px\|right\|thumb\|Dark Angels Company Veterans]]
	Since all of the Dark Angel's first company veterans who would normally make up the Vanguard or Sternguard units only deploy in [[Terminator Armour]] or become [[Ravenwing\|Ravenwing Black Knights]] they don't get either. Instead they get "Company Veterans Squad". Literally veterans of whatever company they're in rather than the first. While not singularly specialized for ranged or melee like Sternguard/Vanguard, lacking Special Issue Boltguns for shooting, and jump packs for assaulting. They have the option to discard their Bolt pistols for a Storm Shield or a [[Power Weapon]], while exchanging their [[Chainsword]] to mix melee and ranged into the same unit, giving them some good versatility. They're also cheaper, as compensation for not having Special Bolter Rounds.		Since all of the Dark Angel's first company veterans who would normally make up the Vanguard or Sternguard units only deploy in [[Terminator Armour]] or become [[Ravenwing\|Ravenwing Black Knights]] they don't get either. Instead they get "Company Veterans Squad". Literally veterans of whatever company they're in rather than the first. While not singularly specialized for ranged or melee like Sternguard/Vanguard, lacking Special Issue Boltguns for shooting, and jump packs for assaulting. They have the option to discard their Bolt pistols for a Storm Shield or a [[Power Weapon]], while exchanging their [[Chainsword]] to mix melee and ranged into the same unit, giving them some good versatility. They're also cheaper, as compensation for not having Special Bolter Rounds.

	Command Squads have been axed in 8th and rolled into Company Veterans so everyone has them but lack the options that the Dark Angels can take. Including the ability to take Bikes for a cost, while Champions and Apothecaries are taken separately. The Dark Angels for some reason can't take Biker Vets at all. [[derp\|So no choice but to take characters for bikes in the Elite slot.]]		Command Squads have been axed in 8th and rolled into Company Veterans so everyone has them but lack the options that the Dark Angels can take. Including the ability to take Bikes for a cost, while Champions and Apothecaries are taken separately. The Dark Angels for some reason can't take Biker Vets at all. [[derp\|So no choice but to take characters for bikes in the Elite slot.]]

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