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1d4chan>QuietBrowser: Moved Viconia's Baldur's Gate II image to a top-of-article thumbnail because, hey, why not, and it is her most iconic artwork.

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	'''Viconia de'Vir''' is a character from the awesome [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons]] computer game series of [[Baldur's Gate]], which was one of the earliest productions of [[Bioware]]. She is sadly pretty much unknown to modern D&Ders, which is a shame, because she represents an awesome example of a PC-Friendly [[Drow]] who isn't the cliche "whiney, angsty, Rebellious Good Guy following in the mold of [[Drizzt\|Drizzt do'Urden]]" like most are.		'''Viconia de'Vir''' is a character from the awesome [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons]] computer game series of [[Baldur's Gate]], which was one of the earliest productions of [[Bioware]]. She is sadly pretty much unknown to modern D&Ders, which is a shame, because she represents an awesome example of a PC-Friendly [[Drow]] who isn't the cliche "whiney, angsty, Rebellious Good Guy following in the mold of [[Drizzt\|Drizzt do'Urden]]" like most are.

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	"After the events that transpired at the Throne of Bhaal, <CHARNAME> and Viconia traveled together for some time, adventuring. Glory and triumph followed them wherever they went, for through their previous journeys they had truly become a formidable pair.		::"After the events that transpired at the Throne of Bhaal, <CHARNAME> and Viconia traveled together for some time, adventuring. Glory and triumph followed them wherever they went, for through their previous journeys they had truly become a formidable pair.
	But more important to <CHARNAME> than any gold or glory, more important than anything on the face of Toril, was the love he shared with his dark lady. He had given up godhood to remain at her side, and it was a decision he would never have cause to regret. Through pain and suffering, darkness and despair, she had emerged into the light of day, and now their journey together was truly beginning.		::But more important to <CHARNAME> than any gold or glory, more important than anything on the face of Toril, was the love he shared with his dark lady. He had given up godhood to remain at her side, and it was a decision he would never have cause to regret. Through pain and suffering, darkness and despair, she had emerged into the light of day, and now their journey together was truly beginning.
	Viconia might still refer to her soulmate as a 'lowly male' on occasion, but these days she spoke mostly in jest, unless <CHARNAME> had committed some truly serious offence. And though her temper was as unpredictable as ever, this added all the more spice to their relationship, the reconciliations bringing them all the closer together. So close did the two lovers grow, that they eventually decided to declare their love publicly in marriage. Many of Faerun's most powerful entities attended the ceremony, all of them careful to do or say nothing that might upset the bride. In truth, Viconia had never looked more radiant, serene or in control. Yet as the vows were spoken the observant guest might have been able to spot a single tear in the corner of her eye, bearing mute testimony to the depth of her feeling at this joyous occasion. Only the brave or the suicidal would ever have dared point that out to the bride however, for fear of a Storm of Vengeance mysteriously materializing inside their underpants.		::Viconia might still refer to her soulmate as a 'lowly male' on occasion, but these days she spoke mostly in jest, unless <CHARNAME> had committed some truly serious offence. And though her temper was as unpredictable as ever, this added all the more spice to their relationship, the reconciliations bringing them all the closer together. So close did the two lovers grow, that they eventually decided to declare their love publicly in marriage. Many of Faerun's most powerful entities attended the ceremony, all of them careful to do or say nothing that might upset the bride. In truth, Viconia had never looked more radiant, serene or in control. ::Yet as the vows were spoken the observant guest might have been able to spot a single tear in the corner of her eye, bearing mute testimony to the depth of her feeling at this joyous occasion. Only the brave or the suicidal would ever have dared point that out to the bride however, for fear of a Storm of Vengeance mysteriously materializing inside their underpants.
	The one thing that might have darkened the happy couple's days was the vengeance of Lolth. The Spider Queen, still sought Viconia's life, and once several assassination attempts had been made and failed, the two legendary adventurers had had enough. In an epic quest through the Underdark and the Planes, they challenged the might of the evil goddess. Neither of them would ever disclose the exact nature of their victory to any but their closest friends and family, but it is known for certain that they were never again troubled by the denizens of the Underdark, nor by the goddess herself. Planar sources even whisper that the Spider Goddess was extremely upset by the whole affair, even downright sulky, and that she was heard muttering about it was unfair for other deities to aid one of her former followers against her. The cosmic boils on her immortal face still haven't faded entirely.		::The one thing that might have darkened the happy couple's days was the vengeance of Lolth. The Spider Queen, still sought Viconia's life, and once several assassination attempts had been made and failed, the two legendary adventurers had had enough. In an epic quest through the Underdark and the Planes, they challenged the might of the evil goddess. Neither of them would ever disclose the exact nature of their victory to any but their closest friends and family, but it is known for certain that they were never again troubled by the denizens of the Underdark, nor by the goddess herself. Planar sources even whisper that the Spider Goddess was extremely upset by the whole affair, even downright sulky, and that she was heard muttering about it was unfair for other deities to aid one of her former followers against her. The cosmic boils on her immortal face still haven't faded entirely.
	Viconia's legendary temper became even stormier during the course of her pregnancy with her and <CHARNAME>'s first child. The Child of Bhaal soon found himself running errands all over Faerun in order to fetch fresh strawberries, beholder puree, or Rashemani Black Pepper. But he thought it worth all the aggravation when he finally got to witness the miracle that was the birth of their first child, a daughter who would in time grow as powerful as her parents, and create a wondrous destiny all her own. But that, as they say, is a different story."		::Viconia's legendary temper became even stormier during the course of her pregnancy with her and <CHARNAME>'s first child. The Child of Bhaal soon found himself running errands all over Faerun in order to fetch fresh strawberries, beholder puree, or Rashemani Black Pepper. But he thought it worth all the aggravation when he finally got to witness the miracle that was the birth of their first child, a daughter who would in time grow as powerful as her parents, and create a wondrous destiny all her own. But that, as they say, is a different story."

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	Image:Viconia_(Dragonspear).png\|Jenny Poussin channeling Derek Zoolander.		Image:Viconia_(Dragonspear).png\|Jenny Poussin channeling Derek Zoolander.
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1d4chan>Panthera Awesome: Undo revision 830757 by 24.183.230.37 (talk)

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	To explain exactly why this was received so poorly, beyond the obvious [[Grimdark#Grimderp\|grimderp overload]] of the idea, there's also the fact it makes very little fucking sense. By the end of ''Throne of Bhaal'', Viconia is not only a 20th-plus level [[Cleric]] (and whilst [[CoDzilla]] was a 3e thing, they weren't slouches in 2e, either!), but also '''married''' to another 20th-plus level character, and on relatively good terms with a band of equally strong adventuring buddies, and decked out with all the protective gear gathered from a lucrative career of looting her way up and down the Sword Coast. The idea that a miserable drow assassin would get near her, or that they wouldn't be able to cure the poison, is [[Fail\|patently ridiculous]]. Even if you accept that bullshit nonsense about it being uber-venom from Lolth's own fangs that the Ascension version of the epilogue has, the idea that a pissed off Bhaalspawn armed with a) enough magic resistance and weapons that would make Tempus go "Hold up, this shit is insane" and b) companions that murdered gods and godlings as well as half of the fucking Realms, wouldn't gather his buddies and go spelunking into the Demonweb Pits and wreck shit until he could take Viconia's soul back to the Material Plane is absurd beyond reason, and definitely [[Edgy\|a dick move to depress players through forced helplessness]].		To explain exactly why this was received so poorly, beyond the obvious [[Grimdark#Grimderp\|grimderp overload]] of the idea, there's also the fact it makes very little fucking sense. By the end of ''Throne of Bhaal'', Viconia is not only a 20th-plus level [[Cleric]] (and whilst [[CoDzilla]] was a 3e thing, they weren't slouches in 2e, either!), but also '''married''' to another 20th-plus level character, and on relatively good terms with a band of equally strong adventuring buddies, and decked out with all the protective gear gathered from a lucrative career of looting her way up and down the Sword Coast. The idea that a miserable drow assassin would get near her, or that they wouldn't be able to cure the poison, is [[Fail\|patently ridiculous]]. Even if you accept that bullshit nonsense about it being uber-venom from Lolth's own fangs that the Ascension version of the epilogue has, the idea that a pissed off Bhaalspawn armed with a) enough magic resistance and weapons that would make Tempus go "Hold up, this shit is insane" and b) companions that murdered gods and godlings as well as half of the fucking Realms, wouldn't gather his buddies and go spelunking into the Demonweb Pits and wreck shit until he could take Viconia's soul back to the Material Plane is absurd beyond reason, and definitely [[Edgy\|a dick move to depress players through forced helplessness]].

	~~Hell is knocking on~~ that ~~Heaven's door. Restoring his father's essence Lault himself~~ would be the ~~best~~ excuse ~~to rebel against God. Especially with~~ neutral or evil ~~kitchens. He takes~~ revenge and ~~seeks him~~ as ~~his own deity~~. or better ~~You can turn this girl into~~ a wrecked spider ~~web~~ and ~~grab~~ her ~~bag~~.		Fuck, that would be the perfect excuse for the Bhaalspawn, especially a neutral or evil one, to go kick down the heavenly gates, take back his dad's essence, and then go after Lolth herself, god against god, in one epic tier roaring rampage of revenge and claim her as a concubine. Or better yet, render the bitch a totally wrecked pile of spider legs, and maybe even absorb her portfolio.

	Ironically, despite this derision, the only mod to have any kind of better alternative ending for her is in the [[Edwin]] Romance Mod, which includes it as a separate installable file. Which, guess what? Literally consists of "Viconia and Charname thwart Lolth's assassination attempts after their wedding, then head to the [[Underdark]], find a portal to Lolth's home in the [[Abyss]], and kick the shit out of her until she's too afraid to come after them again, then head back to the Prime and live happily ever after with their kids."		Ironically, despite this derision, the only mod to have any kind of better alternative ending for her is in the [[Edwin]] Romance Mod, which includes it as a separate installable file. Which, guess what? Literally consists of "Viconia and Charname thwart Lolth's assassination attempts after their wedding, then head to the [[Underdark]], find a portal to Lolth's home in the [[Abyss]], and kick the shit out of her until she's too afraid to come after them again, then head back to the Prime and live happily ever after with their kids."

24.183.230.37 at 13:34, 16 June 2022

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	To explain exactly why this was received so poorly, beyond the obvious [[Grimdark#Grimderp\|grimderp overload]] of the idea, there's also the fact it makes very little fucking sense. By the end of ''Throne of Bhaal'', Viconia is not only a 20th-plus level [[Cleric]] (and whilst [[CoDzilla]] was a 3e thing, they weren't slouches in 2e, either!), but also '''married''' to another 20th-plus level character, and on relatively good terms with a band of equally strong adventuring buddies, and decked out with all the protective gear gathered from a lucrative career of looting her way up and down the Sword Coast. The idea that a miserable drow assassin would get near her, or that they wouldn't be able to cure the poison, is [[Fail\|patently ridiculous]]. Even if you accept that bullshit nonsense about it being uber-venom from Lolth's own fangs that the Ascension version of the epilogue has, the idea that a pissed off Bhaalspawn armed with a) enough magic resistance and weapons that would make Tempus go "Hold up, this shit is insane" and b) companions that murdered gods and godlings as well as half of the fucking Realms, wouldn't gather his buddies and go spelunking into the Demonweb Pits and wreck shit until he could take Viconia's soul back to the Material Plane is absurd beyond reason, and definitely [[Edgy\|a dick move to depress players through forced helplessness]].		To explain exactly why this was received so poorly, beyond the obvious [[Grimdark#Grimderp\|grimderp overload]] of the idea, there's also the fact it makes very little fucking sense. By the end of ''Throne of Bhaal'', Viconia is not only a 20th-plus level [[Cleric]] (and whilst [[CoDzilla]] was a 3e thing, they weren't slouches in 2e, either!), but also '''married''' to another 20th-plus level character, and on relatively good terms with a band of equally strong adventuring buddies, and decked out with all the protective gear gathered from a lucrative career of looting her way up and down the Sword Coast. The idea that a miserable drow assassin would get near her, or that they wouldn't be able to cure the poison, is [[Fail\|patently ridiculous]]. Even if you accept that bullshit nonsense about it being uber-venom from Lolth's own fangs that the Ascension version of the epilogue has, the idea that a pissed off Bhaalspawn armed with a) enough magic resistance and weapons that would make Tempus go "Hold up, this shit is insane" and b) companions that murdered gods and godlings as well as half of the fucking Realms, wouldn't gather his buddies and go spelunking into the Demonweb Pits and wreck shit until he could take Viconia's soul back to the Material Plane is absurd beyond reason, and definitely [[Edgy\|a dick move to depress players through forced helplessness]].

	~~Fuck,~~ that would be the ~~perfect~~ excuse ~~for the Bhaalspawn, especially a~~ neutral or evil ~~one, to go kick down the heavenly gates, take back his dad's essence, and then go after Lolth herself, god against god, in one epic tier roaring rampage of~~ revenge and ~~claim her~~ as ~~a concubine~~. Or better ~~yet, render the bitch~~ a ~~totally~~ wrecked ~~pile of~~ spider ~~legs,~~ and ~~maybe even absorb~~ her ~~portfolio~~.		Hell is knocking on that Heaven's door. Restoring his father's essence Lault himself would be the best excuse to rebel against God. Especially with neutral or evil kitchens. He takes revenge and seeks him as his own deity. or better You can turn this girl into a wrecked spider web and grab her bag.

	Ironically, despite this derision, the only mod to have any kind of better alternative ending for her is in the [[Edwin]] Romance Mod, which includes it as a separate installable file. Which, guess what? Literally consists of "Viconia and Charname thwart Lolth's assassination attempts after their wedding, then head to the [[Underdark]], find a portal to Lolth's home in the [[Abyss]], and kick the shit out of her until she's too afraid to come after them again, then head back to the Prime and live happily ever after with their kids."		Ironically, despite this derision, the only mod to have any kind of better alternative ending for her is in the [[Edwin]] Romance Mod, which includes it as a separate installable file. Which, guess what? Literally consists of "Viconia and Charname thwart Lolth's assassination attempts after their wedding, then head to the [[Underdark]], find a portal to Lolth's home in the [[Abyss]], and kick the shit out of her until she's too afraid to come after them again, then head back to the Prime and live happily ever after with their kids."

1d4chan>SpectralTime: It's not that forgotten.

2019-10-28T04:15:27Z

It's not that forgotten.

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	'''Viconia de'Vir''' is a character from the awesome ~~yet sadly forgotten~~ [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons]] computer game series of [[Baldur's Gate]], which was one of the earliest productions of [[Bioware]]. She is sadly pretty much unknown to modern D&Ders, which is a shame, because she represents an awesome example of a PC-Friendly [[Drow]] who isn't the cliche "whiney, angsty, Rebellious Good Guy following in the mold of [[Drizzt\|Drizzt do'Urden]]" like most are.		'''Viconia de'Vir''' is a character from the awesome [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons]] computer game series of [[Baldur's Gate]], which was one of the earliest productions of [[Bioware]]. She is sadly pretty much unknown to modern D&Ders, which is a shame, because she represents an awesome example of a PC-Friendly [[Drow]] who isn't the cliche "whiney, angsty, Rebellious Good Guy following in the mold of [[Drizzt\|Drizzt do'Urden]]" like most are.

	Viconia is a female [[Drow]] [[Cleric]], and the last surviving scion of House de'Vir, from the dark elf city of Menzoberranzan in the [[Underdark]] of the [[Forgotten Realms]]. Ironically, if one compares the lore, this implies she is ultimately responsible for Drizzt surviving instead of being sacrificed for being his mom's third-born son; Drizzt only got to live because his eldest brother was assassinated (by their respective third brother) during House do'Urden's assault on House de'Vir for losing the favor of Lolth, something that was caused by Viconia herself. [[Tzeentch\|Rumors that a raven was watching the whole spectacle are ridiculuous, and unfounded.]]		Viconia is a female [[Drow]] [[Cleric]], and the last surviving scion of House de'Vir, from the dark elf city of Menzoberranzan in the [[Underdark]] of the [[Forgotten Realms]]. Ironically, if one compares the lore, this implies she is ultimately responsible for Drizzt surviving instead of being sacrificed for being his mom's third-born son; Drizzt only got to live because his eldest brother was assassinated (by their respective third brother) during House do'Urden's assault on House de'Vir for losing the favor of Lolth, something that was caused by Viconia herself. [[Tzeentch\|Rumors that a raven was watching the whole spectacle are ridiculuous, and unfounded.]]

1d4chan>SpectralTime at 04:09, 28 October 2019

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	'''Viconia de'Vir''' is a character from the awesome yet sadly forgotten [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons]] computer game series of [[Baldur's Gate]], which was one of the earliest productions of [[Bioware]]. She is sadly pretty much unknown to modern D&Ders, which is a shame, because she represents an awesome example of a [[Drow]] PC who isn't the cliche "whiney, angsty, Rebellious Good Guy following in the mold of [[Drizzt\|Drizzt do'Urden]]" like most are.		'''Viconia de'Vir''' is a character from the awesome yet sadly forgotten [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons]] computer game series of [[Baldur's Gate]], which was one of the earliest productions of [[Bioware]]. She is sadly pretty much unknown to modern D&Ders, which is a shame, because she represents an awesome example of a PC-Friendly [[Drow]] who isn't the cliche "whiney, angsty, Rebellious Good Guy following in the mold of [[Drizzt\|Drizzt do'Urden]]" like most are.

	Viconia is a female [[Drow]] [[Cleric]], and the last surviving scion of House de'Vir, from the dark elf city of Menzoberranzan in the [[Underdark]] of the [[Forgotten Realms]]. Ironically, if one compares the lore, this implies she is ultimately responsible for Drizzt surviving instead of being sacrificed for being his mom's third-born son; Drizzt only got to live because his eldest brother was assassinated (by their respective third brother) during House do'Urden's assault on House de'Vir for losing the favor of Lolth, something that was caused by Viconia herself. [[Tzeentch\|Rumors that a raven was watching the whole spectacle are ridiculuous, and unfounded.]]		Viconia is a female [[Drow]] [[Cleric]], and the last surviving scion of House de'Vir, from the dark elf city of Menzoberranzan in the [[Underdark]] of the [[Forgotten Realms]]. Ironically, if one compares the lore, this implies she is ultimately responsible for Drizzt surviving instead of being sacrificed for being his mom's third-born son; Drizzt only got to live because his eldest brother was assassinated (by their respective third brother) during House do'Urden's assault on House de'Vir for losing the favor of Lolth, something that was caused by Viconia herself. [[Tzeentch\|Rumors that a raven was watching the whole spectacle are ridiculuous, and unfounded.]]

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	Image:Viconia_(BG1).png		Image:Viconia_(BG1).png
	Image:Viconia_(Dragonspear).png		Image:Viconia_(Dragonspear).png\|Jenny Poussin channeling Derek Zoolander.
	Image:Viconia_(BG2).png		Image:Viconia_(BG2).png
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115.70.44.117 at 00:18, 29 November 2018

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	A little heartwarming detail is that, after sufficient love and care, she can turn to True Neutral, finally making peace with the world's flow. D'aww...		A little heartwarming detail is that, after sufficient love and care, she can turn to True Neutral, finally making peace with the world's flow. D'aww...

	Viconia is one of the three romance options for male human/half-elf PCs in the second game, and is pretty much the mold-maker for [[Bioware]]'s "dark, seductive, nasty-yet-redeemable jerk with a heart of gold" love interest (other examples include Dragon Age's Morrigan and Mass Effect's Jack~~/Subject Zero~~). She wants a strong, aggressive, confident and assertive sort of mate, but she's also what a [[weeaboo]] would call a "tsundere"; love is an alien emotion to her, so the closer you get, the more frightened she gets, starting to actively push you away, only to finally give in and come happily running back if you refuse to give up on her. Her fandom ''[[rage]]d'' when it turned out that her post-romance epilogue led to [[What\|her assassination by an agent of Lolth after having a son with the Bhaalspawn]] - otherwise she got to go adventuring with [[Drizzt]] and become accepted as another "redeemed Drow".		Viconia is one of the three romance options for male human/half-elf PCs in the second game, and is pretty much the mold-maker for [[Bioware]]'s "dark, seductive, nasty-yet-redeemable jerk with a heart of gold" love interest (other examples include Dragon Age's Morrigan and Mass Effect's Jack). She wants a strong, aggressive, confident and assertive sort of mate, but she's also what a [[weeaboo]] would call a "tsundere"; love is an alien emotion to her, so the closer you get, the more frightened she gets, starting to actively push you away, only to finally give in and come happily running back if you refuse to give up on her. Her fandom ''[[rage]]d'' when it turned out that her post-romance epilogue led to [[What\|her assassination by an agent of Lolth after having a son with the Bhaalspawn]] - otherwise she got to go adventuring with [[Drizzt]] and become accepted as another "redeemed Drow".

	To explain exactly why this was received so poorly, beyond the obvious [[Grimdark#Grimderp\|grimderp overload]] of the idea, there's also the fact it makes very little fucking sense. By the end of ''Throne of Bhaal'', Viconia is not only a 20th-plus level [[Cleric]] (and whilst [[CoDzilla]] was a 3e thing, they weren't slouches in 2e, either!), but also '''married''' to another 20th-plus level character, and on relatively good terms with a band of equally strong adventuring buddies, and decked out with all the protective gear gathered from a lucrative career of looting her way up and down the Sword Coast. The idea that a miserable drow assassin would get near her, or that they wouldn't be able to cure the poison, is [[Fail\|patently ridiculous]]. Even if you accept that bullshit nonsense about it being uber-venom from Lolth's own fangs that the Ascension version of the epilogue has, the idea that a pissed off Bhaalspawn armed with a) enough magic resistance and weapons that would make Tempus go "Hold up, this shit is insane" and b) companions that murdered gods and godlings as well as half of the fucking Realms, wouldn't gather his buddies and go spelunking into the Demonweb Pits and wreck shit until he could take Viconia's soul back to the Material Plane is absurd beyond reason, and definitely [[Edgy\|a dick move to depress players through forced helplessness]].		To explain exactly why this was received so poorly, beyond the obvious [[Grimdark#Grimderp\|grimderp overload]] of the idea, there's also the fact it makes very little fucking sense. By the end of ''Throne of Bhaal'', Viconia is not only a 20th-plus level [[Cleric]] (and whilst [[CoDzilla]] was a 3e thing, they weren't slouches in 2e, either!), but also '''married''' to another 20th-plus level character, and on relatively good terms with a band of equally strong adventuring buddies, and decked out with all the protective gear gathered from a lucrative career of looting her way up and down the Sword Coast. The idea that a miserable drow assassin would get near her, or that they wouldn't be able to cure the poison, is [[Fail\|patently ridiculous]]. Even if you accept that bullshit nonsense about it being uber-venom from Lolth's own fangs that the Ascension version of the epilogue has, the idea that a pissed off Bhaalspawn armed with a) enough magic resistance and weapons that would make Tempus go "Hold up, this shit is insane" and b) companions that murdered gods and godlings as well as half of the fucking Realms, wouldn't gather his buddies and go spelunking into the Demonweb Pits and wreck shit until he could take Viconia's soul back to the Material Plane is absurd beyond reason, and definitely [[Edgy\|a dick move to depress players through forced helplessness]].

115.70.44.117 at 00:17, 29 November 2018

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	A little heartwarming detail is that, after sufficient love and care, she can turn to True Neutral, finally making peace with the world's flow. D'aww...		A little heartwarming detail is that, after sufficient love and care, she can turn to True Neutral, finally making peace with the world's flow. D'aww...

	Viconia is one of the three romance options for male human/half-elf PCs in the second game, and is pretty much the mold-maker for [[Bioware]]'s "dark, seductive, nasty-yet-redeemable jerk with a heart of gold" love interest. She wants a strong, aggressive, confident and assertive sort of mate, but she's also what a [[weeaboo]] would call a "tsundere"; love is an alien emotion to her, so the closer you get, the more frightened she gets, starting to actively push you away, only to finally give in and come happily running back if you refuse to give up on her. Her fandom ''[[rage]]d'' when it turned out that her post-romance epilogue led to [[What\|her assassination by an agent of Lolth after having a son with the Bhaalspawn]] - otherwise she got to go adventuring with [[Drizzt]] and become accepted as another "redeemed Drow".		Viconia is one of the three romance options for male human/half-elf PCs in the second game, and is pretty much the mold-maker for [[Bioware]]'s "dark, seductive, nasty-yet-redeemable jerk with a heart of gold" love interest (other examples include Dragon Age's Morrigan and Mass Effect's Jack/Subject Zero). She wants a strong, aggressive, confident and assertive sort of mate, but she's also what a [[weeaboo]] would call a "tsundere"; love is an alien emotion to her, so the closer you get, the more frightened she gets, starting to actively push you away, only to finally give in and come happily running back if you refuse to give up on her. Her fandom ''[[rage]]d'' when it turned out that her post-romance epilogue led to [[What\|her assassination by an agent of Lolth after having a son with the Bhaalspawn]] - otherwise she got to go adventuring with [[Drizzt]] and become accepted as another "redeemed Drow".

	To explain exactly why this was received so poorly, beyond the obvious [[Grimdark#Grimderp\|grimderp overload]] of the idea, there's also the fact it makes very little fucking sense. By the end of ''Throne of Bhaal'', Viconia is not only a 20th-plus level [[Cleric]] (and whilst [[CoDzilla]] was a 3e thing, they weren't slouches in 2e, either!), but also '''married''' to another 20th-plus level character, and on relatively good terms with a band of equally strong adventuring buddies, and decked out with all the protective gear gathered from a lucrative career of looting her way up and down the Sword Coast. The idea that a miserable drow assassin would get near her, or that they wouldn't be able to cure the poison, is [[Fail\|patently ridiculous]]. Even if you accept that bullshit nonsense about it being uber-venom from Lolth's own fangs that the Ascension version of the epilogue has, the idea that a pissed off Bhaalspawn armed with a) enough magic resistance and weapons that would make Tempus go "Hold up, this shit is insane" and b) companions that murdered gods and godlings as well as half of the fucking Realms, wouldn't gather his buddies and go spelunking into the Demonweb Pits and wreck shit until he could take Viconia's soul back to the Material Plane is absurd beyond reason, and definitely [[Edgy\|a dick move to depress players through forced helplessness]].		To explain exactly why this was received so poorly, beyond the obvious [[Grimdark#Grimderp\|grimderp overload]] of the idea, there's also the fact it makes very little fucking sense. By the end of ''Throne of Bhaal'', Viconia is not only a 20th-plus level [[Cleric]] (and whilst [[CoDzilla]] was a 3e thing, they weren't slouches in 2e, either!), but also '''married''' to another 20th-plus level character, and on relatively good terms with a band of equally strong adventuring buddies, and decked out with all the protective gear gathered from a lucrative career of looting her way up and down the Sword Coast. The idea that a miserable drow assassin would get near her, or that they wouldn't be able to cure the poison, is [[Fail\|patently ridiculous]]. Even if you accept that bullshit nonsense about it being uber-venom from Lolth's own fangs that the Ascension version of the epilogue has, the idea that a pissed off Bhaalspawn armed with a) enough magic resistance and weapons that would make Tempus go "Hold up, this shit is insane" and b) companions that murdered gods and godlings as well as half of the fucking Realms, wouldn't gather his buddies and go spelunking into the Demonweb Pits and wreck shit until he could take Viconia's soul back to the Material Plane is absurd beyond reason, and definitely [[Edgy\|a dick move to depress players through forced helplessness]].