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Archetypes & Progression

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	===Archetypes & Progression===		===Archetypes & Progression===
	For a basic Vigilante, you first have to choose whether you are a '''Stalker''' or an '''Avenger''';		For a basic Vigilante, you first have to choose whether you are a '''Stalker''' or an '''Avenger''';
	*Stalkers get "Hidden Strike" which is similar to Sneak Attack but crapper, only dealing full damage when an opponent is unaware of you and reduces it down to d4s when you flank an opponent. Stalkers also get access to a different variety of talents, including most of the [[Rogue]] talents, which allows them to become sneaky buggers.		*Stalkers get "Hidden Strike" which is similar to Sneak Attack but crapper, only dealing full d8 damage when an opponent is unaware of you and reduces it down to d4s when you flank an opponent. Stalkers also get access to a different variety of talents, including most of the [[Rogue]] talents, which allows them to become sneaky buggers.
	*On the other hand, Avengers get a full BAB progression and access to more combat-focused talents, like being more mobile in armor.		*On the other hand, Avengers get a full BAB progression and access to more combat-focused talents, like being more mobile in armor.

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	The '''Vigilante''' is a base class in the [[Pathfinder]] roleplaying game, unique for its mechanic which allows you to essentially play two different personas at the same time. Though not immediately obvious, you aren't forced to use this feature and the class plays perfectly well without separating your identities. Vigilantes are [[Tier System\|on the border between tier 4 and 3, with spellcasting archetypes solidly in tier 3]]. Unlike most such classes, they're in it because they excel at out of combat stuff but struggle ''in'' it rather than the other way around. This is further complicated by a lot of the good combat abilities being outside their native book.		The '''Vigilante''' is a base class in the [[Pathfinder]] roleplaying game, unique for its mechanic which allows you to essentially play two different personas at the same time. Though not immediately obvious, you aren't forced to use this feature and the class plays perfectly well without separating your identities. Vigilantes are [[Tier System\|on the border between tier 4 and 3, with spellcasting archetypes solidly in tier 3]]. Unlike most such classes, they're in it because they excel at out of combat stuff but struggle ''in'' it rather than the other way around. This is further complicated by a lot of the good combat abilities being outside their native book.

	You want to play a medieval version of Spiderman, [[Batman]]the Hulk or,if your really classy, the Scarlet Pimpernel ? This class can do it for you.		You want to play a medieval version of Spiderman, [[Batman]], the Hulk, or, if your really classy, the Scarlet Pimpernel? This class can do it for you.
	You want to build your character like a mild-mannered musician by day but a serial killer by night? This class can do it for you.		You want to build your character like a mild-mannered musician by day but a serial killer by night? This class can do it for you.
	You want to secretly worship a god, or conceal your necromantic spellcasting ability? This class can do it for you.		You want to secretly worship a god, or conceal your necromantic spellcasting ability? This class can do it for you.

1d4chan>Dragonkingofthestars: /* 1st Edition */

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1st Edition

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	Coupled with the fact that either persona can be built upon without sacrificing the other half of your progression; whether you're playing a Barbarian or Paladin who wants an advantage in social situations while continuing to gain fighter talents, or a Bard/Rogue who is looking for some more potent spellcasting or combat ability. As mentioned, the Vigilante cannot do anything as well as a dedicated class, but offers a well-rounded progression that benefits players who want to attempt a bit of everything. Despite this, if you are paying attention to your progression you don't need to feel like you are playing two half-characters, since many of the abilities add additional benefits at that scale with level for both your Social and Vigilante personas. For example: In some cases where you might only get one bonus feat at a particular level will actually become two or three bonus feats later on, meaning the more effort you put into Vigilante the greater return on investment you receive.		Coupled with the fact that either persona can be built upon without sacrificing the other half of your progression; whether you're playing a Barbarian or Paladin who wants an advantage in social situations while continuing to gain fighter talents, or a Bard/Rogue who is looking for some more potent spellcasting or combat ability. As mentioned, the Vigilante cannot do anything as well as a dedicated class, but offers a well-rounded progression that benefits players who want to attempt a bit of everything. Despite this, if you are paying attention to your progression you don't need to feel like you are playing two half-characters, since many of the abilities add additional benefits at that scale with level for both your Social and Vigilante personas. For example: In some cases where you might only get one bonus feat at a particular level will actually become two or three bonus feats later on, meaning the more effort you put into Vigilante the greater return on investment you receive.

	Put frankly, the Vigilante class is one of the most unpredictable options available to players whether they only take a "dip" in the class for a few levels or take it all the way to the end, since only a few of the archetypes have "final" class features which require constant investment.		Put frankly, the Vigilante class is one of the most unpredictable options available to players whether they only take a "dip" in the class for a few levels or take it all the way to the end, since only a few of the archetypes have "final" class features which require constant investment. Frankly you could not go wrong with an entire party of Vigilante's forming there own Power range team and despite everyone being the same class, everybody would be different.

	The sheer options available to a Vigilante are further expanded on in third party support. Any new subsystem that doesn't lock itself to a single class will generally toss the Vigilante an Archetype or talents to dip into the system. Other material adds new archetypes based on existing concepts, and/or supports undersupported parts of the class (such as how [[Warlock]] has absolutely no support for its blasts).		The sheer options available to a Vigilante are further expanded on in third party support. Any new subsystem that doesn't lock itself to a single class will generally toss the Vigilante an Archetype or talents to dip into the system. Other material adds new archetypes based on existing concepts, and/or supports undersupported parts of the class (such as how [[Warlock]] has absolutely no support for its blasts).

1d4chan>Dragonkingofthestars at 13:30, 11 February 2021

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	The '''Vigilante''' is a base class in the [[Pathfinder]] roleplaying game, unique for its mechanic which allows you to essentially play two different personas at the same time. Though not immediately obvious, you aren't forced to use this feature and the class plays perfectly well without separating your identities. Vigilantes are [[Tier System\|on the border between tier 4 and 3, with spellcasting archetypes solidly in tier 3]]. Unlike most such classes, they're in it because they excel at out of combat stuff but struggle ''in'' it rather than the other way around. This is further complicated by a lot of the good combat abilities being outside their native book.		The '''Vigilante''' is a base class in the [[Pathfinder]] roleplaying game, unique for its mechanic which allows you to essentially play two different personas at the same time. Though not immediately obvious, you aren't forced to use this feature and the class plays perfectly well without separating your identities. Vigilantes are [[Tier System\|on the border between tier 4 and 3, with spellcasting archetypes solidly in tier 3]]. Unlike most such classes, they're in it because they excel at out of combat stuff but struggle ''in'' it rather than the other way around. This is further complicated by a lot of the good combat abilities being outside their native book.

	You want to play a medieval version of Spiderman, [[Batman]] or the ~~Hulk~~? This class can do it for you.		You want to play a medieval version of Spiderman, [[Batman]]the Hulk or,if your really classy, the Scarlet Pimpernel ? This class can do it for you.
	You want to build your character like a mild-mannered musician by day but a serial killer by night? This class can do it for you.		You want to build your character like a mild-mannered musician by day but a serial killer by night? This class can do it for you.
	You want to secretly worship a god, or conceal your necromantic spellcasting ability? This class can do it for you.		You want to secretly worship a god, or conceal your necromantic spellcasting ability? This class can do it for you.

1d4chan>Agiletek: /* 1st Edition */

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1st Edition

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	Coupled with the fact that either persona can be built upon without sacrificing the other half of your progression; whether you're playing a Barbarian or Paladin who wants an advantage in social situations while continuing to gain fighter talents, or a Bard/Rogue who is looking for some more potent spellcasting or combat ability. As mentioned, the Vigilante cannot do anything as well as a dedicated class, but offers a well-rounded progression that benefits players who want to attempt a bit of everything. Despite this, if you are paying attention to your progression you don't need to feel like you are playing two half-characters, since many of the abilities add additional benefits at that scale with level for both your Social and Vigilante personas. For example: In some cases where you might only get one bonus feat at a particular level will actually become two or three bonus feats later on, meaning the more effort you put into Vigilante the greater return on investment you receive.		Coupled with the fact that either persona can be built upon without sacrificing the other half of your progression; whether you're playing a Barbarian or Paladin who wants an advantage in social situations while continuing to gain fighter talents, or a Bard/Rogue who is looking for some more potent spellcasting or combat ability. As mentioned, the Vigilante cannot do anything as well as a dedicated class, but offers a well-rounded progression that benefits players who want to attempt a bit of everything. Despite this, if you are paying attention to your progression you don't need to feel like you are playing two half-characters, since many of the abilities add additional benefits at that scale with level for both your Social and Vigilante personas. For example: In some cases where you might only get one bonus feat at a particular level will actually become two or three bonus feats later on, meaning the more effort you put into Vigilante the greater return on investment you receive.

	Put frankly, the Vigilante class is one of the most unpredictable options available to players whether they only take a "dip" in the class for a few levels or take it all the way to the end, since only a few of the archetypes have "final" class features which require constant ~~investement~~.		Put frankly, the Vigilante class is one of the most unpredictable options available to players whether they only take a "dip" in the class for a few levels or take it all the way to the end, since only a few of the archetypes have "final" class features which require constant investment.

			The sheer options available to a Vigilante are further expanded on in third party support. Any new subsystem that doesn't lock itself to a single class will generally toss the Vigilante an Archetype or talents to dip into the system. Other material adds new archetypes based on existing concepts, and/or supports undersupported parts of the class (such as how [[Warlock]] has absolutely no support for its blasts).

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1d4chan>Agiletek at 06:40, 26 September 2020

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	What can this class not do for you? Well, it doesn't really do anything in combat that a more dedicated class could not already do. You ''can'' give yourself some spellcasting ability equivalent to an [[Inquisitor (Pathfinder)\|Inquisitor]] or a [[Magus]], but those classes also have class features which make them better at it. That said, it ''does'' have a large number of unusual "social powers" that a lot of other classes do not.		What can this class not do for you? Well, it doesn't really do anything in combat that a more dedicated class could not already do. You ''can'' give yourself some spellcasting ability equivalent to an [[Inquisitor (Pathfinder)\|Inquisitor]] or a [[Magus]], but those classes also have class features which make them better at it. That said, it ''does'' have a large number of unusual "social powers" that a lot of other classes do not.

	The socially focused Social Talents and more combat focused Vigilante Talents are kept separate on purpose to ensure a character that is versatile instead of overly focused on of the two areas. That said, there is some overlap like Social Talents that improve your vision or the ability to take ten with any four skills or a Vigilante Talent that gives shapeshifting with both combat and non-combat utility.		The socially focused Social Talents and more combat focused Vigilante Talents are kept separate on purpose to ensure a character that is versatile instead of overly focused on of the two areas. That said, there is some overlap like Social Talents that improve your vision or the ability to take ten with any four skills or a Vigilante Talent that gives shapeshifting with both combat and non-combat utility. Both are so much better than a feat that there is intentionally no "Extra ____" feat for either. This says a lot given ''all'' classes with a selection of talents (with the possible exception of a [[Rogue]] with limited splat) already had their talents considered better than a feat and got one.

	==1st Edition==		==1st Edition==

1d4chan>Agiletek at 06:34, 26 September 2020

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	What can this class not do for you? Well, it doesn't really do anything in combat that a more dedicated class could not already do. You ''can'' give yourself some spellcasting ability equivalent to an [[Inquisitor (Pathfinder)\|Inquisitor]] or a [[Magus]], but those classes also have class features which make them better at it. That said, it ''does'' have a large number of unusual "social powers" that a lot of other classes do not.		What can this class not do for you? Well, it doesn't really do anything in combat that a more dedicated class could not already do. You ''can'' give yourself some spellcasting ability equivalent to an [[Inquisitor (Pathfinder)\|Inquisitor]] or a [[Magus]], but those classes also have class features which make them better at it. That said, it ''does'' have a large number of unusual "social powers" that a lot of other classes do not.

	~~You have~~ to ~~balance your primary "Vigilante" persona with your "Social" persona, essentially splitting your~~ character ~~progression down~~ two ~~different and often mutually exclusive tracks~~. ~~This can dilute your experience especially if you are a [[Powergamer]]~~, ~~but makes for~~ some of the ~~most interesting roleplaying opportunities~~.		The socially focused Social Talents and more combat focused Vigilante Talents are kept separate on purpose to ensure a character that is versatile instead of overly focused on of the two areas. That said, there is some overlap like Social Talents that improve your vision or the ability to take ten with any four skills or a Vigilante Talent that gives shapeshifting with both combat and non-combat utility.

	==1st Edition==		==1st Edition==

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1st Edition

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	*On the other hand, Avengers get a full BAB progression and access to more combat-focused talents, like being more mobile in armor.		*On the other hand, Avengers get a full BAB progression and access to more combat-focused talents, like being more mobile in armor.

	Every ''other'' level you get to choose a Social talent, which provides a benefit to your social persona, allowing your character to behave much more like a "[[Party_Archetypes\|Face]]" for the group, or makes your character a more effective professional, giving you more renown and better crafting checks, or allows you to disguise yourself and/or change guises more quickly.		Every ''other'' level you get to choose a Social talent, which provides a benefit to your social persona, allowing your character to behave much more like a "[[Party_Archetypes\|Face]]" for the group, or makes your character a more effective professional, giving you more renown and better crafting checks, giving you a magically warded safehouse (which actually gives you a really big piece of property in a major settlement for free, a huge wealth bonus) or allows you to disguise yourself and/or change guises more quickly.

	To be honest, the sheer variety of options available to Vigilantes are staggering. Even without choosing an archetype you can build your character in a huge combination of ways ensuring that your character will be completely unlike anyone else in the group. This sort of openness makes the Vigilante ripe for 3PP, giving an even more massive array of archetypes and talents to make it more like other classes.		To be honest, the sheer variety of options available to Vigilantes are staggering. Even without choosing an archetype you can build your character in a huge combination of ways ensuring that your character will be completely unlike anyone else in the group. This sort of openness makes the Vigilante ripe for 3PP, giving an even more massive array of archetypes and talents to make it more like other classes.