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	{{Topquote\|Even the softest and sweetest heart was made by design for extreme battle.\|Bryant McGill}}		{{Topquote\|Even the softest and sweetest heart was made by design for extreme battle.\|Bryant McGill}}
	{{Topquote\|I'm tired of people being ''ugly'' to each other. I'm tired of all the pain I feel and hear in the world... every day. There's too much of it. \|John Coffey, who may as well have been the inspiration for our boy}}		{{Topquote\|I'm tired of people being ''ugly'' to each other. I'm tired of all the pain I feel and hear in the world... every day. There's too much of it. \|John Coffey, who may as well have been the inspiration for our boy}}
	~~<b>~~Vulkan~~</b>~~, aka '''~~the~~ Lord of Drakes, the Hammer of Salvation, the Promethean Fire, the [[Alternate Heresy\|Black Dragon]], and the [[TTS\|Jolly Green Giant]]''', is the [[Primarch]] of the [[Salamanders]] [[Chapter]] of [[Space Marines]]. He is notable for being a fuckawesome smith, and advancing a civilization from Stone to the Steel Age in a matter of months, as well as being perhaps one of the only likable and bro-tier Primarchs, a trait he shares with [[Sanguinius]] and Crusade Era [[Horus]]. He does not pity the [[Dark Eldar]] fools who raided his planet.		'''Vulkan''', aka the '''Lord of Drakes''', the '''Hammer of Salvation''', the '''Promethean Fire''', the '''[[Alternate Heresy\|Black Dragon]]''', and the '''[[TTS\|Jolly Green Giant]]''', is the [[Primarch]] of the [[Salamanders]] [[Chapter]] of [[Space Marines]]. He is notable for being a fuckawesome smith, and advancing a civilization from Stone to the Steel Age in a matter of months, as well as being perhaps one of the only likable and bro-tier Primarchs, a trait he shares with [[Sanguinius]] and Crusade Era [[Horus]]. He does not pity the [[Dark Eldar]] fools who raided his planet.

	Like all Primarchs, he was dropped on [[Nocturne\|a far-flung planet]] as an infant, and worked his way to a position of power. Some Primarchs became powerful by being good at politics and bureaucracy, or by kicking enemy ass. Vulkan did it by being really fucking smart and murdering as many Dark Eldar as he could find with massive [[Warhammer 40,000\|hammers]], both of which are fine occupations for a Demigod. He also made some really cool stuff, which the Salamanders have been spending all of their free time trying to find. As Primarchs go, he's more or less tied with Sanguinius as being a shining example of [[this guy]], especially [[Lorgar\|compared to]] [[Perturabo\|some]] [[Konrad Curze\|of]] [[Angron\|them]].		Like all Primarchs, he was dropped on [[Nocturne\|a far-flung planet]] as an infant, and worked his way to a position of power. Some Primarchs became powerful by being good at politics and bureaucracy, or by kicking enemy ass. Vulkan did it by being really fucking smart and murdering as many Dark Eldar as he could find with massive [[Warhammer 40,000\|hammers]], both of which are fine occupations for a Demigod. He also made some really cool stuff, which the Salamanders have been spending all of their free time trying to find. As Primarchs go, he's more or less tied with Sanguinius as being a shining example of [[this guy]], especially [[Lorgar\|compared to]] [[Perturabo\|some]] [[Konrad Curze\|of]] [[Angron\|them]].

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	'''Old Earth''' pads this resurrection out somewhat; Vulkan awakes in a cave inside of Mount Deathfire, missing some important memories but possessing some unexplained knowledge. Having a conversation with [[Eldrad\|this dick in disguise]], Vulkan realises that there is still a Webway gate left on Nocturne, and that it is buried underneath Deathfire. Based on his own limited understanding of his Perpetual limits, he also comes to the conclusion that his Father's purpose for him is no longer to lead his Legion, arguing that the Imperium already has enough generals. So he decides not to rejoin the Salamanders or the Horus Heresy, but instead travel to Terra through the Webway, taking only three Legionaries with him and swearing them to secrecy about his return. When he does reach Terra, the Emperor tells him, in true grimdark fashion, that Vulkan had an additional purpose to uphold. In the event of Chaos winning the battle of Terra, Vulkan's interaction with the Golden Throne would somehow lead to the whole planet annihilating itself ; throneworld, loyalists, traitors, webway entrance and daemons alike. Whilst coming out of nowhere, it at least gives a reason for Vulkan to be on Terra but not seen during the siege itself if he was acting as a living deadman's switch.		'''Old Earth''' pads this resurrection out somewhat; Vulkan awakes in a cave inside of Mount Deathfire, missing some important memories but possessing some unexplained knowledge. Having a conversation with [[Eldrad\|this dick in disguise]], Vulkan realises that there is still a Webway gate left on Nocturne, and that it is buried underneath Deathfire. Based on his own limited understanding of his Perpetual limits, he also comes to the conclusion that his Father's purpose for him is no longer to lead his Legion, arguing that the Imperium already has enough generals. So he decides not to rejoin the Salamanders or the Horus Heresy, but instead travel to Terra through the Webway, taking only three Legionaries with him and swearing them to secrecy about his return. When he does reach Terra, the Emperor tells him, in true grimdark fashion, that Vulkan had an additional purpose to uphold. In the event of Chaos winning the battle of Terra, Vulkan's interaction with the Golden Throne would somehow lead to the whole planet annihilating itself ; throneworld, loyalists, traitors, webway entrance and daemons alike. Whilst coming out of nowhere, it at least gives a reason for Vulkan to be on Terra but not seen during the siege itself if he was acting as a living deadman's switch.

	As it turned out, the Emperor had kept Vulkan on standby within the Throne Room, to counter any attacks that Horus might launch upon the Emperor Himself. Here, Vulkan would face Magnus in a battle which saw him die over and over again, but rise each time to continue the fight. Eventually, his sheer tenacity (and his uber-regeneration) saw Magnus drained of power, both through physical damage and psychic exhaustion. In a last ditch effort to save himself, Magnus teleported their consciousnesses to a psychic dreamscape. He attempted to argue that Chaos was in fact a better choice than the Imperium, and that without the change Chaos brought, the universe was doomed to stagnation and un-enlightenment. But Vulkan was having absolutely none of it, and [[awesome\|'''Told. Him. Right. The. Fuck. Off.''']] He called Magnus out in his entirety for his arrogance, his vanity, and his solipsism. He told Magnus that, instead of being the righteous victim as he had always considered himself, he was in fact little more than a [[Perturabo\|petulant child with a martyr complex]]. He could have made any one of a hundred different decisions to prevent his own downfall, but had been so convinced that he was in the right that he never even thought to. Vulkan capped it all off by telling Magnus that, despite him believing that still he wove his own fate and made his own choices, he was so deeply in Tzeentch's clutches that he had completely misremembered his final interaction with the Emperor. For Magnus believed that he had deliberately refused the Emperor's last offer of redemption and of a new, uncorrupted Legion, for the sake of his Thousand Sons. He believed that he had, at long last, given himself over to Chaos completely of his own free will to serve a righteous cause. The reality was that the last uncorrupted shard of Magnus had in fact burst into the Throne Room and begged his father to save him. The Emperor, heavy hearted, had refused, for he knew Magnus too well to think he'd changed. Magnus proclaimed that it was Vulkan who was deluded, but Vulkan, demonstrating a remarkable understanding of Chaos (possibly the Emperor giving him a hand, though Vulkan is clearly stated as narrating his own words), laid out how Tzeentch had made Magnus into willing prey by feeding him everything he'd wanted to believe. Tzeentch had, for instance, allowed Magnus to believe he had cured the flesh change when all he had actually done was give Tzeentch a tighter grasp on the Thousand Sons. The Emperor would never have offered Magnus a place at his side once more, let alone a new Legion, for how could he possibly trust him now? Magnus had dreamed up his own redemption because he needed to believe that he still made his own choices. After this, Vulkan hammered the spent Daemon Primarch into paste. For a moment, his ruined brother's form stirred his pity and he thought to spare Magnus. However, he quickly realized that his very hesitation, his mercy, was the path for Chaos to enter his heart. His mercy would be used to deceive him, and his seemingly virtuous choice would feel righteous to him as the Traitor Primarchs undoubtedly had been made to feel as they fell. He would believe his own principled decisions guided his hand, but in reality it would be the Chaos gods simply using him. Magnus then apologized the Vulkan (or maybe to the Emperor as he was kinda staring off past Vulkan at the time), but Vulkan heard at that moment the voice of the Emperor in his mind. His father told him that Magnus was lying, even to himself, for that was all his ruined brother could now do. He informed Vulkan that the Daemon Magnus had become was not in fact sorry but was gathering power to strike Vulkan down. In a bit of a reverse-Palpatine moment, He told Vullkan to [[meme\|DEW IT]]. Vulkan made to strike Magnus down, but not before Magnus landed a final sorcerous attack that unraveled Vulkan's DNA both metaphysically and at an atomic physical level. It was an attempt to unmake Vulkan at his very core, and Magnus delighted at the level of power and understanding he had seemingly achieved. He reduced Vulkan to a disintegrating, immolated skeletal ruin, but Vulkan still swung his hammer. Magnus, in stunned, arrogant disbelief, lost his head to Vulkan's strike and did not regenerate. Vulkan moments later gave into Magnus's spell and fell to pieces next to his brother's corpse. Some time later, he managed to regain enough life to shamble out of the Webway, ruined to the point of appearing undead, but still enduring.		As it turned out, the Emperor had kept Vulkan on standby within the Throne Room, to counter any attacks that Horus might launch upon the Emperor Himself. Here, Vulkan would face Magnus in a battle which saw him die over and over again, but rise each time to continue the fight. Eventually, his sheer tenacity (and his uber-regeneration) saw Magnus drained of power, both through physical damage and psychic exhaustion. In a last ditch effort to save himself, Magnus teleported their consciousnesses to a psychic dreamscape. He attempted to argue that Chaos was in fact a better choice than the Imperium, and that without the change Chaos brought, the universe was doomed to stagnation and un-enlightenment. But Vulkan was having absolutely none of it, and [[awesome\|'''Told. Him. Right. The. Fuck. Off.''']] He called Magnus out in his entirety for his arrogance, his vanity, and his solipsism. He told Magnus that, instead of being the righteous victim as he had always considered himself, he was in fact little more than a [[Perturabo\|petulant child with a martyr complex]]. He could have made any one of a hundred different decisions to prevent his own downfall, but had been so convinced that he was in the right that he never even thought to. Vulkan capped it all off by telling Magnus that, despite him believing that still he wove his own fate and made his own choices, he was so deeply in Tzeentch's clutches that he had completely misremembered his final interaction with the Emperor. For Magnus believed that he had deliberately refused the Emperor's last offer of redemption and of a new, uncorrupted Legion, for the sake of his Thousand Sons. He believed that he had, at long last, given himself over to Chaos completely of his own free will to serve a righteous cause. The reality was that the last uncorrupted shard of Magnus had in fact burst into the Throne Room and begged his father to save him. The Emperor, heavy hearted, had refused, for he knew Magnus too well to think he'd changed. Magnus proclaimed that it was Vulkan who was deluded, but Vulkan, demonstrating a remarkable understanding of Chaos (possibly the Emperor giving him a hand, though Vulkan is clearly stated as narrating his own words), laid out how Tzeentch had made Magnus into willing prey by feeding him everything he'd wanted to believe. Tzeentch had, for instance, allowed Magnus to believe he had cured the flesh change when all he had actually done was give Tzeentch a tighter grasp on the Thousand Sons. The Emperor would never have offered Magnus a place at his side once more, let alone a new Legion, for how could he possibly trust him now? Magnus had dreamed up his own redemption because he needed to believe that he still made his own choices.

	~~Critical opinions aside~~, it ~~does~~ at ~~least explain how~~ Vulkan was ~~able~~ to do ~~things post~~-~~Heresy~~ and ~~why information on~~ his ~~activities after~~ the ~~Heresy are spotty~~ and ~~incomplete~~, ~~since at this~~ point he had ~~already decided~~ to ~~move~~ into the ~~background~~ and ~~leave~~ the ~~Salamanders generally nonplussed~~.		After this, Vulkan hammered the spent Daemon Primarch into paste. For a moment, his ruined brother's form stirred his pity and he thought to spare Magnus. However, he quickly realized that his very hesitation, his mercy, was the path for Chaos to enter his heart. His mercy would be used to deceive him, and his seemingly virtuous choice would feel righteous to him as the Traitor Primarchs undoubtedly had been made to feel as they fell. He would believe his own principled decisions guided his hand, but in reality it would be the Chaos gods simply using him. Magnus then apologized the Vulkan (or maybe to the Emperor as he was kinda staring off past Vulkan at the time), but Vulkan heard at that moment the voice of the Emperor in his mind. His father told him that Magnus was lying, even to himself, for that was all his ruined brother could now do. He informed Vulkan that the Daemon Magnus had become was not in fact sorry but was gathering power to strike Vulkan down. In a bit of a reverse-Palpatine moment, He told Vullkan to [[meme\|DEW IT]]. Vulkan made to strike Magnus down, but not before Magnus landed a final sorcerous attack that unraveled Vulkan's DNA both metaphysically and at an atomic physical level. It was an attempt to unmake Vulkan at his very core, and Magnus delighted at the level of power and understanding he had seemingly achieved. He reduced Vulkan to a disintegrating, immolated skeletal ruin, but Vulkan still swung his hammer. Magnus, in stunned, arrogant disbelief, lost his head to Vulkan's strike and did not regenerate. Vulkan moments later gave into Magnus's spell and fell to pieces next to his brother's corpse. Some time later, he managed to regain enough life to shamble out of the Webway, ruined to the point of appearing undead, but still enduring.

			When Vulkan returned to the throne room, he learned that the Emperor, Sanguinius, and Dorn were preparing to launch an assault on the ''Vengeful Spirit'', as Horus had apparently dropped the ship's shields in invitation. Vulkan wanted to go along of course, but still in the midst of regenerating and with another purpose to fulfill, he stayed behind with Malcador. His task; to remain near the Golden Throne with the Talisman of Seven Hammers. Should Horus prevail, or Malcador succumb to the power of the Golden Throne, he was to activate the Talisman. This would turn the Golden Throne into some sort of psychic super-Exterminatus device. Terra, the Webway Portal, and the Traitors would all be annihilated, and the Chaos Gods would be irrecoverably crippled along with the Imperium.

	=== Later 40k ===		=== Later 40k ===

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	{{topquote\|Vulkan: "There will be no Rad or Phosphex in my legion. We shall fight wars humanely. Some things should be left in the dark age."<br>[[Ferrus Manus\|Ferrus]]: "Oh cool, when are you going to stop burning people to death?"<br>Vulkan: "I don't understand the question.\|A conversation between the X and XVIII Primarchs}}		{{topquote\|Vulkan: "There will be no Rad or Phosphex in my legion. We shall fight wars humanely. Some things should be left in the dark age."<br>[[Ferrus Manus\|Ferrus]]: "Oh cool, when are you going to stop burning people to death?"<br>Vulkan: "I don't understand the question.\|A conversation between the X and XVIII Primarchs}}
	{{Topquote\|Even the softest and sweetest heart was made by design for extreme battle.\|Bryant McGill}}		{{Topquote\|Even the softest and sweetest heart was made by design for extreme battle.\|Bryant McGill}}
	{{Topquote\|~~Mostly,~~ I'm tired of people being ''ugly'' to each other. I'm tired of all the pain I feel and hear in the world... every day. There's too much of it. \|John Coffey, who may as well have been the inspiration for our boy}}		{{Topquote\|I'm tired of people being ''ugly'' to each other. I'm tired of all the pain I feel and hear in the world... every day. There's too much of it. \|John Coffey, who may as well have been the inspiration for our boy}}
	<b>Vulkan</b>, aka '''the Lord of Drakes, the Hammer of Salvation, the Promethean Fire, the [[Alternate Heresy\|Black Dragon]], and the [[TTS\|Jolly Green Giant]]''', is the [[Primarch]] of the [[Salamanders]] [[Chapter]] of [[Space Marines]]. He is notable for being a fuckawesome smith, and advancing a civilization from Stone to the Steel Age in a matter of months, as well as being perhaps one of the only likable and bro-tier Primarchs, a trait he shares with [[Sanguinius]] and Crusade Era [[Horus]]. He does not pity the [[Dark Eldar]] fools who raided his planet.		<b>Vulkan</b>, aka '''the Lord of Drakes, the Hammer of Salvation, the Promethean Fire, the [[Alternate Heresy\|Black Dragon]], and the [[TTS\|Jolly Green Giant]]''', is the [[Primarch]] of the [[Salamanders]] [[Chapter]] of [[Space Marines]]. He is notable for being a fuckawesome smith, and advancing a civilization from Stone to the Steel Age in a matter of months, as well as being perhaps one of the only likable and bro-tier Primarchs, a trait he shares with [[Sanguinius]] and Crusade Era [[Horus]]. He does not pity the [[Dark Eldar]] fools who raided his planet.

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	{{topquote\|Vulkan: "There will be no Rad or Phosphex in my legion. We shall fight wars humanely. Some things should be left in the dark age."<br>[[Ferrus Manus\|Ferrus]]: "Oh cool, when are you going to stop burning people to death?"<br>Vulkan: "I don't understand the question.\|A conversation between the X and XVIII Primarchs}}		{{topquote\|Vulkan: "There will be no Rad or Phosphex in my legion. We shall fight wars humanely. Some things should be left in the dark age."<br>[[Ferrus Manus\|Ferrus]]: "Oh cool, when are you going to stop burning people to death?"<br>Vulkan: "I don't understand the question.\|A conversation between the X and XVIII Primarchs}}
	{{Topquote\|Even the softest and sweetest heart was made by design for extreme battle.\|Bryant McGill}}		{{Topquote\|Even the softest and sweetest heart was made by design for extreme battle.\|Bryant McGill}}
	{{Topquote\|Mostly, I'm tired of people being ugly to each other. I'm tired of all the pain I feel and hear in the world... every day. There's too much of it. \|John Coffey, who may as well have been the inspiration for our boy}}		{{Topquote\|Mostly, I'm tired of people being ''ugly'' to each other. I'm tired of all the pain I feel and hear in the world... every day. There's too much of it. \|John Coffey, who may as well have been the inspiration for our boy}}
	<b>Vulkan</b>, aka '''the Lord of Drakes, the Hammer of Salvation, the Promethean Fire, the [[Alternate Heresy\|Black Dragon]], and the [[TTS\|Jolly Green Giant]]''', is the [[Primarch]] of the [[Salamanders]] [[Chapter]] of [[Space Marines]]. He is notable for being a fuckawesome smith, and advancing a civilization from Stone to the Steel Age in a matter of months, as well as being perhaps one of the only likable and bro-tier Primarchs, a trait he shares with [[Sanguinius]] and Crusade Era [[Horus]]. He does not pity the [[Dark Eldar]] fools who raided his planet.		<b>Vulkan</b>, aka '''the Lord of Drakes, the Hammer of Salvation, the Promethean Fire, the [[Alternate Heresy\|Black Dragon]], and the [[TTS\|Jolly Green Giant]]''', is the [[Primarch]] of the [[Salamanders]] [[Chapter]] of [[Space Marines]]. He is notable for being a fuckawesome smith, and advancing a civilization from Stone to the Steel Age in a matter of months, as well as being perhaps one of the only likable and bro-tier Primarchs, a trait he shares with [[Sanguinius]] and Crusade Era [[Horus]]. He does not pity the [[Dark Eldar]] fools who raided his planet.

1d4chan>Derpysaurus: Undo revision 882415 by Lord Grievous (talk) Mate, we got enough topquotes man....

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	{{Topquote\|Even the softest and sweetest heart was made by design for extreme battle.\|Bryant McGill}}		{{Topquote\|Even the softest and sweetest heart was made by design for extreme battle.\|Bryant McGill}}
	{{Topquote\|Mostly, I'm tired of people being ugly to each other. I'm tired of all the pain I feel and hear in the world... every day. There's too much of it. \|John Coffey, who may as well have been the inspiration for our boy}}		{{Topquote\|Mostly, I'm tired of people being ugly to each other. I'm tired of all the pain I feel and hear in the world... every day. There's too much of it. \|John Coffey, who may as well have been the inspiration for our boy}}
	~~{{Topquote\|I will be dead before I see The Ring, in the hands of an Elf! Never trust an Elf! \|Gimli, The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring}}~~		<b>Vulkan</b>, aka '''the Lord of Drakes, the Hammer of Salvation, the Promethean Fire, the [[Alternate Heresy\|Black Dragon]], and the [[TTS\|Jolly Green Giant]]''', is the [[Primarch]] of the [[Salamanders]] [[Chapter]] of [[Space Marines]]. He is notable for being a fuckawesome smith, and advancing a civilization from Stone to the Steel Age in a matter of months, as well as being perhaps one of the only likable and bro-tier Primarchs, a trait he shares with [[Sanguinius]] and Crusade Era [[Horus]]. He does not pity the [[Dark Eldar]] fools who raided his planet.
	<b>Vulkan</b>, aka '''the Lord of Drakes, the Hammer of Salvation, the Promethean Fire, the [[Alternate Heresy\|Black Dragon]], and the [[TTS\|Jolly Green Giant]]''', is the [[Primarch]] of the [[Salamanders]] [[Chapter]] of [[Space Marines]]. He is notable for being a fuckawesome smith, and advancing a civilization from Stone to the Steel Age in a matter of months, as well as being perhaps one of the only likable and bro-tier Primarchs*, a trait he shares with [[Sanguinius]] and Crusade Era [[Horus]]. He does not pity the [[Dark Eldar]] fools who raided his planet.

	*So long as you're not an Eldar, that is.

	Like all Primarchs, he was dropped on [[Nocturne\|a far-flung planet]] as an infant, and worked his way to a position of power. Some Primarchs became powerful by being good at politics and bureaucracy, or by kicking enemy ass. Vulkan did it by being really fucking smart and murdering as many Dark Eldar as he could find with massive [[Warhammer 40,000\|hammers]], both of which are fine occupations for a Demigod. He also made some really cool stuff, which the Salamanders have been spending all of their free time trying to find. As Primarchs go, he's more or less tied with Sanguinius as being a shining example of [[this guy]], especially [[Lorgar\|compared to]] [[Perturabo\|some]] [[Konrad Curze\|of]] [[Angron\|them]].		Like all Primarchs, he was dropped on [[Nocturne\|a far-flung planet]] as an infant, and worked his way to a position of power. Some Primarchs became powerful by being good at politics and bureaucracy, or by kicking enemy ass. Vulkan did it by being really fucking smart and murdering as many Dark Eldar as he could find with massive [[Warhammer 40,000\|hammers]], both of which are fine occupations for a Demigod. He also made some really cool stuff, which the Salamanders have been spending all of their free time trying to find. As Primarchs go, he's more or less tied with Sanguinius as being a shining example of [[this guy]], especially [[Lorgar\|compared to]] [[Perturabo\|some]] [[Konrad Curze\|of]] [[Angron\|them]].

1d4chan>Lord Grievous: Given his hatred of Eldar (which also shows he isn't as much of a softy as the memes suggest), I figured this quote applies. The other quote fits Teclis better, IMO

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Given his hatred of Eldar (which also shows he isn't as much of a softy as the memes suggest), I figured this quote applies. The other quote fits Teclis better, IMO

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	{{Topquote\|Even the softest and sweetest heart was made by design for extreme battle.\|Bryant McGill}}		{{Topquote\|Even the softest and sweetest heart was made by design for extreme battle.\|Bryant McGill}}
	{{Topquote\|Mostly, I'm tired of people being ugly to each other. I'm tired of all the pain I feel and hear in the world... every day. There's too much of it. \|John Coffey, who may as well have been the inspiration for our boy}}		{{Topquote\|Mostly, I'm tired of people being ugly to each other. I'm tired of all the pain I feel and hear in the world... every day. There's too much of it. \|John Coffey, who may as well have been the inspiration for our boy}}
	<b>Vulkan</b>, aka '''the Lord of Drakes, the Hammer of Salvation, the Promethean Fire, the [[Alternate Heresy\|Black Dragon]], and the [[TTS\|Jolly Green Giant]]''', is the [[Primarch]] of the [[Salamanders]] [[Chapter]] of [[Space Marines]]. He is notable for being a fuckawesome smith, and advancing a civilization from Stone to the Steel Age in a matter of months, as well as being perhaps one of the only likable and bro-tier Primarchs, a trait he shares with [[Sanguinius]] and Crusade Era [[Horus]]. He does not pity the [[Dark Eldar]] fools who raided his planet.		{{Topquote\|I will be dead before I see The Ring, in the hands of an Elf! Never trust an Elf! \|Gimli, The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring}}
			<b>Vulkan</b>, aka '''the Lord of Drakes, the Hammer of Salvation, the Promethean Fire, the [[Alternate Heresy\|Black Dragon]], and the [[TTS\|Jolly Green Giant]]''', is the [[Primarch]] of the [[Salamanders]] [[Chapter]] of [[Space Marines]]. He is notable for being a fuckawesome smith, and advancing a civilization from Stone to the Steel Age in a matter of months, as well as being perhaps one of the only likable and bro-tier Primarchs*, a trait he shares with [[Sanguinius]] and Crusade Era [[Horus]]. He does not pity the [[Dark Eldar]] fools who raided his planet.

			*So long as you're not an Eldar, that is.

	Like all Primarchs, he was dropped on [[Nocturne\|a far-flung planet]] as an infant, and worked his way to a position of power. Some Primarchs became powerful by being good at politics and bureaucracy, or by kicking enemy ass. Vulkan did it by being really fucking smart and murdering as many Dark Eldar as he could find with massive [[Warhammer 40,000\|hammers]], both of which are fine occupations for a Demigod. He also made some really cool stuff, which the Salamanders have been spending all of their free time trying to find. As Primarchs go, he's more or less tied with Sanguinius as being a shining example of [[this guy]], especially [[Lorgar\|compared to]] [[Perturabo\|some]] [[Konrad Curze\|of]] [[Angron\|them]].		Like all Primarchs, he was dropped on [[Nocturne\|a far-flung planet]] as an infant, and worked his way to a position of power. Some Primarchs became powerful by being good at politics and bureaucracy, or by kicking enemy ass. Vulkan did it by being really fucking smart and murdering as many Dark Eldar as he could find with massive [[Warhammer 40,000\|hammers]], both of which are fine occupations for a Demigod. He also made some really cool stuff, which the Salamanders have been spending all of their free time trying to find. As Primarchs go, he's more or less tied with Sanguinius as being a shining example of [[this guy]], especially [[Lorgar\|compared to]] [[Perturabo\|some]] [[Konrad Curze\|of]] [[Angron\|them]].

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	Rather than be dumped in a volcano for being a bad omen, as is the fate of many small children who crash on feudal death worlds in space pods, Vulkan grew up as the adopted son of a blacksmith named N'bel, from whom he learned the basics of metallurgy. Of course, being a genetically engineered super-soldier like his brothers he reached adulthood at the age of three and started inventing new alloys like they were going out of style, bringing most of the planet up to the late Steel Age in a matter of months.		Rather than be dumped in a volcano for being a bad omen, as is the fate of many small children who crash on feudal death worlds in space pods, Vulkan grew up as the adopted son of a blacksmith named N'bel, from whom he learned the basics of metallurgy. Of course, being a genetically engineered super-soldier like his brothers he reached adulthood at the age of three and started inventing new alloys like they were going out of style, bringing most of the planet up to the late Steel Age in a matter of months.

	Anyway, Vulkan enjoyed his normal life (or as close to normal a super-strong basically Demi-God genius blacksmith could) until the [[Dark Eldar]] came to town. Nocturne, it turns out, was a favorite raiding destination for [[Mandrakes]], whose realm of '''Aelindrach''' was connected to Nocturne by a series of Webway gates. The populace, who had advanced to about the iron age before Vulkan came along, generally tended to hide from the space rapists with guns that shoot poisonous glass, but Vulkan didn't share their good sense (possibly having something to do with the fact that he could have tanked multiple RPG-7 rounds to the torso and only gotten mildly pissed off, but whatever). Instead, the first time they came after his arrival, he grabbed a pair of blacksmith's hammers and went to town on Spess Elf ass. ''(If this sounds suspiciously [http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Valten familiar] then congratulations, you're paying attention. If you also noticed that Vulkan predates that character, making the other one the rip-off, then even better! We will make an expert of you yet!)'' Although admittedly, Vulkan's first attempt at dealing with the situation resulted in a failure; he drove off the Eldar, but then he took a force of his best men into the webway to defeat the Mandrakes at their source, only to be picked off and murdered while they advanced. They got as far as [[Kheradruakh]]'s tower, but there Vulkan ended up being the last man standing and forced to retreat. When he got back to Nocturne he smashed the webway gate to bits, regretting his decision not to do it in the first place and lamenting the loss of so many good men. [[Troll\|A season later the Mandrakes returned]], forcing Vulkan to realise that there was more than one Webway gate on the planet, and that his earlier attempt to destroy their entrance as well as the counter-charge were both futile actions on their own, meaning he would have to destroy each one if he wanted to protect his people. [[awesome\|And guess what? He did exactly that!]]		Anyway, Vulkan enjoyed his normal life (or as close to normal a super-strong basically Demi-God genius blacksmith could) and was reasonably happy until the [[Dark Eldar]] came to town. Nocturne, it turns out, was a favorite raiding destination for [[Mandrakes]], whose realm of '''Aelindrach''' was connected to Nocturne by a series of Webway gates. The populace, who had advanced to about the iron age before Vulkan came along, generally tended to hide from the space rapists with guns that shoot poisonous glass, but Vulkan didn't share their good sense (possibly having something to do with the fact that he could have tanked multiple RPG-7 rounds to the torso and only gotten mildly pissed off, but whatever). Instead, the first time they came after his arrival, he grabbed a pair of blacksmith's hammers and went to town on Spess Elf ass. ''(If this sounds suspiciously [http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Valten familiar] then congratulations, you're paying attention. If you also noticed that Vulkan predates that character, making the other one the rip-off, then even better! We will make an expert of you yet!)'' Although admittedly, Vulkan's first attempt at dealing with the situation resulted in a failure; he drove off the Eldar, but then he took a force of his best men into the webway to defeat the Mandrakes at their source, only to be picked off and murdered while they advanced. They got as far as [[Kheradruakh]]'s tower, but there Vulkan ended up being the last man standing and forced to retreat. When he got back to Nocturne he smashed the webway gate to bits, regretting his decision not to do it in the first place and lamenting the loss of so many good men. [[Troll\|A season later the Mandrakes returned]], forcing Vulkan to realise that there was more than one Webway gate on the planet, and that his earlier attempt to destroy their entrance as well as the counter-charge were both futile actions on their own, meaning he would have to destroy each one if he wanted to protect his people. [[awesome\|And guess what? He did exactly that!]]

	<s>Shortly after Valt-- I mean Vulkan</s> {{BLAM}} {{BLAM\|Heresy! Vulkan came first!}} drove off the raiders, his settlement threw a bigass feast to celebrate the victory along with a competition to see who had the biggest [[Pauldrons\|man-parts]]. Amongst the events were to be anvil-lifting, weapon-forging, and bigass fire-breathing dragon-thing slaying. Or something like that. A stranger ended up intruding on the ceremony, and proved himself Vulkan's equal in every contest except the salamander slaying, which Vulkan won by virtue of his own thick-headedness and the stranger saving his sorry ass. (If you want the long story filled with themes of honor and dignity read the fucking [http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Vulkan Lexicanum]) Vulkan pledged his loyalty to the stranger immediately after being declared the victor, saying that anyone who valued human life over victory was worth following (and probably making the biggest misjudgement of a person's character he would ever make in his entire life), and with insufferable predictability the stranger revealed himself to be [[God-Emperor of Mankind\|the Emprah]].		<s>Shortly after Valt-- I mean Vulkan</s> {{BLAM}} {{BLAM\|Heresy! Vulkan came first!}} drove off the raiders, his settlement threw a bigass feast to celebrate the victory along with a competition to see who had the biggest [[Pauldrons\|man-parts]]. Amongst the events were to be anvil-lifting, weapon-forging, and bigass fire-breathing dragon-thing slaying. Or something like that. A stranger ended up intruding on the ceremony, and proved himself Vulkan's equal in every contest except the salamander slaying, which Vulkan won by virtue of his own thick-headedness and the stranger saving his sorry ass. (If you want the long story filled with themes of honor and dignity read the fucking [http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Vulkan Lexicanum]) Vulkan pledged his loyalty to the stranger immediately after being declared the victor, saying that anyone who valued human life over victory was worth following (and probably making the biggest misjudgement of a person's character he would ever make in his entire life), and with insufferable predictability the stranger revealed himself to be [[God-Emperor of Mankind\|the Emprah]].

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	{{Topquote\|Even the softest and sweetest heart was made by design for extreme battle.\|Bryant McGill}}		{{Topquote\|Even the softest and sweetest heart was made by design for extreme battle.\|Bryant McGill}}
	{{Topquote\|I'm tired of people being ''ugly'' to each other. I'm tired of all the pain I feel and hear in the world... every day. There's too much of it. \|John Coffey, who may as well have been the inspiration for our boy}}		{{Topquote\|I'm tired of people being ''ugly'' to each other. I'm tired of all the pain I feel and hear in the world... every day. There's too much of it. \|John Coffey, who may as well have been the inspiration for our boy}}
	~~<b>~~Vulkan~~</b>~~, aka '''~~the~~ Lord of Drakes, the Hammer of Salvation, the Promethean Fire, the [[Alternate Heresy\|Black Dragon]], and the [[TTS\|Jolly Green Giant]]''', is the [[Primarch]] of the [[Salamanders]] [[Chapter]] of [[Space Marines]]. He is notable for being a fuckawesome smith, and advancing a civilization from Stone to the Steel Age in a matter of months, as well as being perhaps one of the only likable and bro-tier Primarchs, a trait he shares with [[Sanguinius]] and Crusade Era [[Horus]]. He does not pity the [[Dark Eldar]] fools who raided his planet.		'''Vulkan''', aka the '''Lord of Drakes''', the '''Hammer of Salvation''', the '''Promethean Fire''', the '''[[Alternate Heresy\|Black Dragon]]''', and the '''[[TTS\|Jolly Green Giant]]''', is the [[Primarch]] of the [[Salamanders]] [[Chapter]] of [[Space Marines]]. He is notable for being a fuckawesome smith, and advancing a civilization from Stone to the Steel Age in a matter of months, as well as being perhaps one of the only likable and bro-tier Primarchs, a trait he shares with [[Sanguinius]] and Crusade Era [[Horus]]. He does not pity the [[Dark Eldar]] fools who raided his planet.

	Like all Primarchs, he was dropped on [[Nocturne\|a far-flung planet]] as an infant, and worked his way to a position of power. Some Primarchs became powerful by being good at politics and bureaucracy, or by kicking enemy ass. Vulkan did it by being really fucking smart and murdering as many Dark Eldar as he could find with massive [[Warhammer 40,000\|hammers]], both of which are fine occupations for a Demigod. He also made some really cool stuff, which the Salamanders have been spending all of their free time trying to find. As Primarchs go, he's more or less tied with Sanguinius as being a shining example of [[this guy]], especially [[Lorgar\|compared to]] [[Perturabo\|some]] [[Konrad Curze\|of]] [[Angron\|them]].		Like all Primarchs, he was dropped on [[Nocturne\|a far-flung planet]] as an infant, and worked his way to a position of power. Some Primarchs became powerful by being good at politics and bureaucracy, or by kicking enemy ass. Vulkan did it by being really fucking smart and murdering as many Dark Eldar as he could find with massive [[Warhammer 40,000\|hammers]], both of which are fine occupations for a Demigod. He also made some really cool stuff, which the Salamanders have been spending all of their free time trying to find. As Primarchs go, he's more or less tied with Sanguinius as being a shining example of [[this guy]], especially [[Lorgar\|compared to]] [[Perturabo\|some]] [[Konrad Curze\|of]] [[Angron\|them]].

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	{{topquote\|Vulkan: "There will be no Rad or Phosphex in my legion. We shall fight wars humanely. Some things should be left in the dark age."<br>[[Ferrus Manus\|Ferrus]]: "Oh cool, when are you going to stop burning people to death?"<br>Vulkan: "I don't understand the question.\|A conversation between the X and XVIII Primarchs}}		{{topquote\|Vulkan: "There will be no Rad or Phosphex in my legion. We shall fight wars humanely. Some things should be left in the dark age."<br>[[Ferrus Manus\|Ferrus]]: "Oh cool, when are you going to stop burning people to death?"<br>Vulkan: "I don't understand the question.\|A conversation between the X and XVIII Primarchs}}
	{{Topquote\|Even the softest and sweetest heart was made by design for extreme battle.\|Bryant McGill}}		{{Topquote\|Even the softest and sweetest heart was made by design for extreme battle.\|Bryant McGill}}
	{{Topquote\|~~Mostly,~~ I'm tired of people being ''ugly'' to each other. I'm tired of all the pain I feel and hear in the world... every day. There's too much of it. \|John Coffey, who may as well have been the inspiration for our boy}}		{{Topquote\|I'm tired of people being ''ugly'' to each other. I'm tired of all the pain I feel and hear in the world... every day. There's too much of it. \|John Coffey, who may as well have been the inspiration for our boy}}
	<b>Vulkan</b>, aka '''the Lord of Drakes, the Hammer of Salvation, the Promethean Fire, the [[Alternate Heresy\|Black Dragon]], and the [[TTS\|Jolly Green Giant]]''', is the [[Primarch]] of the [[Salamanders]] [[Chapter]] of [[Space Marines]]. He is notable for being a fuckawesome smith, and advancing a civilization from Stone to the Steel Age in a matter of months, as well as being perhaps one of the only likable and bro-tier Primarchs, a trait he shares with [[Sanguinius]] and Crusade Era [[Horus]]. He does not pity the [[Dark Eldar]] fools who raided his planet.		<b>Vulkan</b>, aka '''the Lord of Drakes, the Hammer of Salvation, the Promethean Fire, the [[Alternate Heresy\|Black Dragon]], and the [[TTS\|Jolly Green Giant]]''', is the [[Primarch]] of the [[Salamanders]] [[Chapter]] of [[Space Marines]]. He is notable for being a fuckawesome smith, and advancing a civilization from Stone to the Steel Age in a matter of months, as well as being perhaps one of the only likable and bro-tier Primarchs, a trait he shares with [[Sanguinius]] and Crusade Era [[Horus]]. He does not pity the [[Dark Eldar]] fools who raided his planet.

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	{{topquote\|Vulkan: "There will be no Rad or Phosphex in my legion. We shall fight wars humanely. Some things should be left in the dark age."<br>[[Ferrus Manus\|Ferrus]]: "Oh cool, when are you going to stop burning people to death?"<br>Vulkan: "I don't understand the question.\|A conversation between the X and XVIII Primarchs}}		{{topquote\|Vulkan: "There will be no Rad or Phosphex in my legion. We shall fight wars humanely. Some things should be left in the dark age."<br>[[Ferrus Manus\|Ferrus]]: "Oh cool, when are you going to stop burning people to death?"<br>Vulkan: "I don't understand the question.\|A conversation between the X and XVIII Primarchs}}
	{{Topquote\|Even the softest and sweetest heart was made by design for extreme battle.\|Bryant McGill}}		{{Topquote\|Even the softest and sweetest heart was made by design for extreme battle.\|Bryant McGill}}
	{{Topquote\|Mostly, I'm tired of people being ugly to each other. I'm tired of all the pain I feel and hear in the world... every day. There's too much of it. \|John Coffey, who may as well have been the inspiration for our boy}}		{{Topquote\|Mostly, I'm tired of people being ''ugly'' to each other. I'm tired of all the pain I feel and hear in the world... every day. There's too much of it. \|John Coffey, who may as well have been the inspiration for our boy}}
	<b>Vulkan</b>, aka '''the Lord of Drakes, the Hammer of Salvation, the Promethean Fire, the [[Alternate Heresy\|Black Dragon]], and the [[TTS\|Jolly Green Giant]]''', is the [[Primarch]] of the [[Salamanders]] [[Chapter]] of [[Space Marines]]. He is notable for being a fuckawesome smith, and advancing a civilization from Stone to the Steel Age in a matter of months, as well as being perhaps one of the only likable and bro-tier Primarchs, a trait he shares with [[Sanguinius]] and Crusade Era [[Horus]]. He does not pity the [[Dark Eldar]] fools who raided his planet.		<b>Vulkan</b>, aka '''the Lord of Drakes, the Hammer of Salvation, the Promethean Fire, the [[Alternate Heresy\|Black Dragon]], and the [[TTS\|Jolly Green Giant]]''', is the [[Primarch]] of the [[Salamanders]] [[Chapter]] of [[Space Marines]]. He is notable for being a fuckawesome smith, and advancing a civilization from Stone to the Steel Age in a matter of months, as well as being perhaps one of the only likable and bro-tier Primarchs, a trait he shares with [[Sanguinius]] and Crusade Era [[Horus]]. He does not pity the [[Dark Eldar]] fools who raided his planet.

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	{{Topquote\|Even the softest and sweetest heart was made by design for extreme battle.\|Bryant McGill}}		{{Topquote\|Even the softest and sweetest heart was made by design for extreme battle.\|Bryant McGill}}
	{{Topquote\|Mostly, I'm tired of people being ugly to each other. I'm tired of all the pain I feel and hear in the world... every day. There's too much of it. \|John Coffey, who may as well have been the inspiration for our boy}}		{{Topquote\|Mostly, I'm tired of people being ugly to each other. I'm tired of all the pain I feel and hear in the world... every day. There's too much of it. \|John Coffey, who may as well have been the inspiration for our boy}}
	~~{{Topquote\|I will be dead before I see The Ring, in the hands of an Elf! Never trust an Elf! \|Gimli, The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring}}~~		<b>Vulkan</b>, aka '''the Lord of Drakes, the Hammer of Salvation, the Promethean Fire, the [[Alternate Heresy\|Black Dragon]], and the [[TTS\|Jolly Green Giant]]''', is the [[Primarch]] of the [[Salamanders]] [[Chapter]] of [[Space Marines]]. He is notable for being a fuckawesome smith, and advancing a civilization from Stone to the Steel Age in a matter of months, as well as being perhaps one of the only likable and bro-tier Primarchs, a trait he shares with [[Sanguinius]] and Crusade Era [[Horus]]. He does not pity the [[Dark Eldar]] fools who raided his planet.
	<b>Vulkan</b>, aka '''the Lord of Drakes, the Hammer of Salvation, the Promethean Fire, the [[Alternate Heresy\|Black Dragon]], and the [[TTS\|Jolly Green Giant]]''', is the [[Primarch]] of the [[Salamanders]] [[Chapter]] of [[Space Marines]]. He is notable for being a fuckawesome smith, and advancing a civilization from Stone to the Steel Age in a matter of months, as well as being perhaps one of the only likable and bro-tier Primarchs*, a trait he shares with [[Sanguinius]] and Crusade Era [[Horus]]. He does not pity the [[Dark Eldar]] fools who raided his planet.

	*So long as you're not an Eldar, that is.

	Like all Primarchs, he was dropped on [[Nocturne\|a far-flung planet]] as an infant, and worked his way to a position of power. Some Primarchs became powerful by being good at politics and bureaucracy, or by kicking enemy ass. Vulkan did it by being really fucking smart and murdering as many Dark Eldar as he could find with massive [[Warhammer 40,000\|hammers]], both of which are fine occupations for a Demigod. He also made some really cool stuff, which the Salamanders have been spending all of their free time trying to find. As Primarchs go, he's more or less tied with Sanguinius as being a shining example of [[this guy]], especially [[Lorgar\|compared to]] [[Perturabo\|some]] [[Konrad Curze\|of]] [[Angron\|them]].		Like all Primarchs, he was dropped on [[Nocturne\|a far-flung planet]] as an infant, and worked his way to a position of power. Some Primarchs became powerful by being good at politics and bureaucracy, or by kicking enemy ass. Vulkan did it by being really fucking smart and murdering as many Dark Eldar as he could find with massive [[Warhammer 40,000\|hammers]], both of which are fine occupations for a Demigod. He also made some really cool stuff, which the Salamanders have been spending all of their free time trying to find. As Primarchs go, he's more or less tied with Sanguinius as being a shining example of [[this guy]], especially [[Lorgar\|compared to]] [[Perturabo\|some]] [[Konrad Curze\|of]] [[Angron\|them]].

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	{{Topquote\|Even the softest and sweetest heart was made by design for extreme battle.\|Bryant McGill}}		{{Topquote\|Even the softest and sweetest heart was made by design for extreme battle.\|Bryant McGill}}
	{{Topquote\|Mostly, I'm tired of people being ugly to each other. I'm tired of all the pain I feel and hear in the world... every day. There's too much of it. \|John Coffey, who may as well have been the inspiration for our boy}}		{{Topquote\|Mostly, I'm tired of people being ugly to each other. I'm tired of all the pain I feel and hear in the world... every day. There's too much of it. \|John Coffey, who may as well have been the inspiration for our boy}}
	<b>Vulkan</b>, aka '''the Lord of Drakes, the Hammer of Salvation, the Promethean Fire, the [[Alternate Heresy\|Black Dragon]], and the [[TTS\|Jolly Green Giant]]''', is the [[Primarch]] of the [[Salamanders]] [[Chapter]] of [[Space Marines]]. He is notable for being a fuckawesome smith, and advancing a civilization from Stone to the Steel Age in a matter of months, as well as being perhaps one of the only likable and bro-tier Primarchs, a trait he shares with [[Sanguinius]] and Crusade Era [[Horus]]. He does not pity the [[Dark Eldar]] fools who raided his planet.		{{Topquote\|I will be dead before I see The Ring, in the hands of an Elf! Never trust an Elf! \|Gimli, The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring}}
			<b>Vulkan</b>, aka '''the Lord of Drakes, the Hammer of Salvation, the Promethean Fire, the [[Alternate Heresy\|Black Dragon]], and the [[TTS\|Jolly Green Giant]]''', is the [[Primarch]] of the [[Salamanders]] [[Chapter]] of [[Space Marines]]. He is notable for being a fuckawesome smith, and advancing a civilization from Stone to the Steel Age in a matter of months, as well as being perhaps one of the only likable and bro-tier Primarchs*, a trait he shares with [[Sanguinius]] and Crusade Era [[Horus]]. He does not pity the [[Dark Eldar]] fools who raided his planet.

			*So long as you're not an Eldar, that is.

	Like all Primarchs, he was dropped on [[Nocturne\|a far-flung planet]] as an infant, and worked his way to a position of power. Some Primarchs became powerful by being good at politics and bureaucracy, or by kicking enemy ass. Vulkan did it by being really fucking smart and murdering as many Dark Eldar as he could find with massive [[Warhammer 40,000\|hammers]], both of which are fine occupations for a Demigod. He also made some really cool stuff, which the Salamanders have been spending all of their free time trying to find. As Primarchs go, he's more or less tied with Sanguinius as being a shining example of [[this guy]], especially [[Lorgar\|compared to]] [[Perturabo\|some]] [[Konrad Curze\|of]] [[Angron\|them]].		Like all Primarchs, he was dropped on [[Nocturne\|a far-flung planet]] as an infant, and worked his way to a position of power. Some Primarchs became powerful by being good at politics and bureaucracy, or by kicking enemy ass. Vulkan did it by being really fucking smart and murdering as many Dark Eldar as he could find with massive [[Warhammer 40,000\|hammers]], both of which are fine occupations for a Demigod. He also made some really cool stuff, which the Salamanders have been spending all of their free time trying to find. As Primarchs go, he's more or less tied with Sanguinius as being a shining example of [[this guy]], especially [[Lorgar\|compared to]] [[Perturabo\|some]] [[Konrad Curze\|of]] [[Angron\|them]].