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Alternative Army Lists

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	* '''Giant:''' Essential unit! The best Rare choice. For 205 points you get one of the best monsters out there with 6W. Very reliable in your army and it will draw a lot of fire so the rest of your army is spared. (Seriously though, if a O&G army with two large Boar Rider units with heroes in them, two giants and a block of black orcs comes at you - what do you shoot first?) Best used at the flanks to easily crush enemy cavalry, chariots and light infantry but keep them away from great cannons.		* '''Giant:''' Essential unit! The best Rare choice. For 205 points you get one of the best monsters out there with 6W. Very reliable in your army and it will draw a lot of fire so the rest of your army is spared. (Seriously though, if a O&G army with two large Boar Rider units with heroes in them, two giants and a block of black orcs comes at you - what do you shoot first?) Best used at the flanks to easily crush enemy cavalry, chariots and light infantry but keep them away from great cannons.
	== Alternative Army Lists==		== Alternative Army Lists==
			Note that only Grimgor's 'Ardboyz is an official list. All other lists need approval of the opponent.
	===Grimgor's 'Ardboyz===		===Grimgor's 'Ardboyz===

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	* '''Hates Dwarfs:''' Night goblins hate dwarfs. This seems like a very powerful addition to your night goblins until you remember they are Night Goblins and probably still wont kill a lot of Dwarfs... Still nice for no updated costs.		* '''Hates Dwarfs:''' Night goblins hate dwarfs. This seems like a very powerful addition to your night goblins until you remember they are Night Goblins and probably still wont kill a lot of Dwarfs... Still nice for no updated costs.
	* '''Goblin only Armies:''' Not a special rule per se and often overlooked but if you only take Goblin characters you can take 1 boss extra for every 1000 points of your army. This is really powerful in 6th edition and makes Goblin only lists much more powerful.		* '''Goblin only Armies:''' Not a special rule per se and often overlooked but if you only take Goblin characters you can take 1 boss extra for every 1000 points of your army. This is really powerful in 6th edition and makes Goblin only lists much more powerful.
			==Greenskin Magic==
			===Spells of the Little Waaagh!===
			===Spells of the Big Waaagh!===
	==Magic Items==		==Magic Items==
	==Units Analysis==		==Units Analysis==

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Snotling horde

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	===Snotling horde===		===Snotling horde===
	Your only character is the ~~mighy~~ Snotling Warboss, wich has the same exact stats and point cost of a night goblin big boss, but can have no equipment and can take 25 pts of magic items.		Your only character is the mighty Snotling Warboss, wich has the same exact stats and point cost of a night goblin big boss, but can have no equipment and can take 25 pts of magic items.
	* '''Core:''' Snotlings		* '''Core:''' Snotlings
	* '''Special:''' Pump Wagons		* '''Special:''' Pump Wagons

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Alternative Army Lists

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	===Night Goblin Horde===		===Night Goblin Horde===
	Only night goblins for characters. ~~For core you have night~~ goblins ~~with the possibility of giving up to~~ 1 ~~of ther units~~ magic ~~banners~~, ~~and~~ 0-1 snotlings.		Only night goblins for characters.
	Special ~~is squig~~ herds ~~ans stone~~ trolls		* '''Core:''' Night goblins (1 unit can have a magic banner), 0-1 snotlings.
	Rare ~~is giants~~.		* '''Special:''' Squig herds, Stone trolls.
			* '''Rare:''' Giants.

	===Common Goblin Horde===		===Common Goblin Horde===
	Only common goblins for charaters		Only common goblins for charaters
	* '''Core:''' Goblins (1 unit can take a banner), Wolf riders.		* '''Core:''' Goblins (1 unit can take a magic banner), Wolf riders.
	* '''Special:''' Snotlings, Goblin chariots, all trolls.		* '''Special:''' Snotlings, Goblin chariots, all trolls.
	* '''Rare:''' Giants, Pump wagons, Rock lobbas,, Spear chukkas, Doom divers and Orc boys (no big 'uns). How is it that an army made entirely of goblins has less goblin artillery than the main list is beyond me.		* '''Rare:''' Giants, Pump wagons, Rock lobbas,, Spear chukkas, Doom divers and Orc boys (no big 'uns). How is it that an army made entirely of goblins has less goblin artillery than the main list is beyond me.
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	Your only characters are savage orcs, but they can ride chariots.		Your only characters are savage orcs, but they can ride chariots.
	* '''Core:''' Savage boyz, Goblins.		* '''Core:''' Savage boyz, Goblins.
	* '''Special:''' Savage boar riders, Goblin wolf riders (can't take ~~ligkt~~ armor), 0-1 snotlings, 0-1 common trolls.		* '''Special:''' Savage boar riders, Goblin wolf riders (can't take light armor), 0-1 snotlings, 0-1 common trolls.
	* '''Rare:''' Savage ~~org~~ boar chariots (Just like regular chariots but with 6+ ~~war~~ save due to Warpaint and an increase in cost of 15 pts), Giants, River trolls, 0-1 spider swarms (50 pts per base, 2-10 unit size, average swarm stats ~~and poisoned attach~~ and Unbreakable), 0-1 goblin spider riders (Wolf riders but slower, have an easier time passing through dry terrain, have poisoned attacks and are not fast cavalry)		* '''Rare:''' Savage orc boar chariots (Just like regular chariots but with a 6+ ward save due to Warpaint and an increase in cost of 15 pts), Giants, River trolls, 0-1 spider swarms (50 pts per base, 2-10 unit size, average swarm stats, Poisoned Attacks and Unbreakable), 0-1 goblin spider riders (Wolf riders but slower, have an easier time passing through dry terrain, have poisoned attacks and are not fast cavalry)

	===Mountain or troll country WAAAGH!===		===Mountain or troll country WAAAGH!===
	No savage units of any kind, and common orc and black orc big bosses can ride wyverns (wich is FUCKING AWESOME), although you're limited to 2 of ~~them~~ per army.		No savage units of any kind, and common orc and black orc big bosses can ride wyverns (wich is FUCKING AWESOME), although you're limited to 2 of the beasts per army.
	* '''Core:''' Orc boyz (one unit can take a magic banner), Arrer boyz, Goblins, Night goblins, 0-1 snotlings.		* '''Core:''' Orc boyz (one unit can take a magic banner), Arrer boyz, Goblins, Night goblins, 0-1 snotlings.
	* '''Special:''' 0-1 black orcs, 0-1 squig herds, stone trolls, giants.		* '''Special:''' 0-1 black orcs, 0-1 squig herds, stone trolls, giants.
	* '''Rare:''' Doom divers, Rock lobbas, Spear chukkas		* '''Rare:''' Doom divers, Rock lobbas, Spear chukkas
	Yes, this army can have up to 2 wyverns and 4 giants in 2000 points. You know what to to.		Yes, this army can have up to 2 wyverns and 4 giants in 2000 points. You know what to do.

	===Nomadic badlands WAAAGH!===		===Nomadic badlands WAAAGH!===
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	* '''Special:''' Boar chariots, savage boar boys		* '''Special:''' Boar chariots, savage boar boys
	* '''Rare:''' Pump wagons.		* '''Rare:''' Pump wagons.
	The Mad Max balls-to-the-wall chariot spam list. Or the all-cavalry one, pick ~~you~~ poison.		The Mad Max balls-to-the-wall chariot spam list. Or the all-cavalry one, pick your poison.

	===Snotling horde===		===Snotling horde===
	Your only character is the mighy Snotling Warboss, wich has the same exact stats ~~anh~~ point cost of a night goblin big boss, but can have no equipment and can take 25 pts of magic items.		Your only character is the mighy Snotling Warboss, wich has the same exact stats and point cost of a night goblin big boss, but can have no equipment and can take 25 pts of magic items.
	* '''Core:''' Snotlings		* '''Core:''' Snotlings
	* '''Special:''' Pump Wagons		* '''Special:''' Pump Wagons
	* '''Rare:''' Giants.		* '''Rare:''' Giants.
	This is an army for tue egoists, ~~bount~~ do nothing and masters of their world. Beware the moment someome brings 2000 ~~pints~~ of only snotlings, as that day you ~~met~~ face to face with a ~~God~~.		This is an army for tue egoists, bound do nothing and masters of their own world. Beware the moment someome brings 2000 points of only snotlings, as that day you'll meet face the face with a god.

	== Tactics ==		== Tactics ==

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Three General Trade-offs

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	* '''Go with a thematic army or try to maximize effectiveness?:''' Thematic armies like Night Goblins only or Savage Orcs hordes are very cool and look amazing but will never be as strong as a mixed army (with one exception I cover in the Army composition section). Still, they can still be good and give new challenges and fun playing O&Gs.		* '''Go with a thematic army or try to maximize effectiveness?:''' Thematic armies like Night Goblins only or Savage Orcs hordes are very cool and look amazing but will never be as strong as a mixed army (with one exception I cover in the Army composition section). Still, they can still be good and give new challenges and fun playing O&Gs.
	* '''Suppress Animosity but at what cost?:''' A Black Orc Big Boss costs you two hero slots but at the same time will create a bubble to suppress animosity. If you get two your hero budget is already spend at 2000 points. You should get black orcs anyways but if you make them really big their 6 inch bubble can grow quite big. War machines and Giants also are not subject to animosity and neither are Snotlings. So in theory it is absolutely possible to have a O&G arm with almost no Animosity issues. This would however extremely narrow the choices you can do. So you have to do a trade-off between how much you want your army to be stable and reliable and not weakening your army by letting your feat of Animosity control your list building too much.		* '''Suppress Animosity but at what cost?:''' A Black Orc Big Boss costs you two hero slots but at the same time will create a bubble to suppress animosity. If you get two your hero budget is already spend at 2000 points. You should get black orcs anyways but if you make them really big their 6 inch bubble can grow quite big. War machines and Giants also are not subject to animosity and neither are Snotlings. So in theory it is absolutely possible to have a O&G arm with almost no Animosity issues. This would however extremely narrow the choices you can do. So you have to do a trade-off between how much you want your army to be stable and reliable and not weakening your army by letting your feat of Animosity control your list building too much.
	* '''Some large Blocks or Multiple Medium sized Units?:''' O&G core troops are cheap so you can either go really big with units and make them more resilience against panic from shooting and losing their static combat resolution or you can have many medium sized (16-24) units which will be less resilient to shooting but		* '''Some large Blocks or Multiple Medium sized Units?:''' O&G core troops are cheap so you can either go really big with units and make them more resilience against panic from shooting and losing their static combat resolution or you can have many medium sized (16-24) units which will be less resilient to shooting but have a multitude of other benefits. The army book recommends you going big but I want to make a case here that in most situations having more units will be better. More units means that you can already get a huge advantage when deploying your troop, focusing your enemy to reveal his strategy to you and you can react accordingly. It also means that you can cover most of the front with troops with good static combat resolution so that flanking will never be an issue (cavalry units can be nasty but what are they going to do against 20 night goblins with fanatics?) and you can generally spread the risk of animosity, terror, panic and getting hit by a cannon / mortar / strong magic over much more targets. You gain a lot of agility in movement as well but you will have to be careful that in case you get traffic jams your heavy hitters still come through. But anyways, it is a trade-off you have to decide for yourself.
	have a multitude of other benefits. The army book recommends you going big but I want to make a case here that in most situations having more units will be better. More units means that you can already get a huge advantage when deploying your troop, focusing your enemy to reveal his strategy to you and you can react accordingly. It also means that you can cover most of the front with troops with good static combat resolution so that flanking will never be an issue (cavalry units can be nasty but what are they going to do against 20 night goblins with fanatics?) and you can generally spread the risk of animosity, terror, panic and getting hit by a cannon / mortar / strong magic over much more targets. You gain a lot of agility in movement as well but you will have to be careful that in case you get traffic jams your heavy hitters still come through. But anyways, it is a trade-off you have to decide for yourself.

	=== Army compositions ===		=== Army compositions ===

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Mountain or troll country WAAAGH!

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	===Mountain or troll country WAAAGH!===		===Mountain or troll country WAAAGH!===
	No savage units of any kind, and common orc and black orc big bosses can ride wyverns (wich is FUCKING AWESOME), although you're limited to 2 of them per army.		No savage units of any kind, and common orc and black orc big bosses can ride wyverns (wich is FUCKING AWESOME), although you're limited to 2 of them per army.
	* '''Core:''' Orc boyz (one unit can take a magic ~~item~~), Arrer boyz, Goblins, Night goblins, 0-1 snotlings.		* '''Core:''' Orc boyz (one unit can take a magic banner), Arrer boyz, Goblins, Night goblins, 0-1 snotlings.
	* '''Special:''' 0-1 black orcs, 0-1 squig herds, stone trolls, giants.		* '''Special:''' 0-1 black orcs, 0-1 squig herds, stone trolls, giants.
	* '''Rare:''' Doom divers, Rock lobbas, Spear chukkas		* '''Rare:''' Doom divers, Rock lobbas, Spear chukkas

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Alternative Army Lists

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	===Common Goblin Horde===		===Common Goblin Horde===
	Only common goblins for charaters		Only common goblins for charaters
	* Core: Goblins (1 unit can take a banner), Wolf riders.		* '''Core:''' Goblins (1 unit can take a banner), Wolf riders.
	* Special: Snotlings, Goblin chariots, all trolls.		* '''Special:''' Snotlings, Goblin chariots, all trolls.
	* Rare: Giants, Pump wagons, Rock lobbas,, Spear chukkas, Doom divers and Orc boys (no big 'uns). How is it that an army made entirely of goblins has less goblin artillery than the main list is beyond me.		* '''Rare:''' Giants, Pump wagons, Rock lobbas,, Spear chukkas, Doom divers and Orc boys (no big 'uns). How is it that an army made entirely of goblins has less goblin artillery than the main list is beyond me.

	===Savage orc horde===		===Savage orc horde===
	Your only characters are savage orcs, but they can ride chariots.		Your only characters are savage orcs, but they can ride chariots.
	* Core: Savage boyz, Goblins.		* '''Core:''' Savage boyz, Goblins.
	* Special: Savage boar riders, Goblin wolf riders (can't take ligkt armor), 0-1 snotlings, 0-1 common trolls.		* '''Special:''' Savage boar riders, Goblin wolf riders (can't take ligkt armor), 0-1 snotlings, 0-1 common trolls.
	* Rare: Savage org boar chariots (Just like regular chariots but with 6+ war save due to Warpaint and an increase in cost of 15 pts), Giants, River trolls, 0-1 spider swarms (50 pts per base, 2-10 unit size, average swarm stats and poisoned attach and Unbreakable), 0-1 goblin spider riders (Wolf riders but slower, have an easier time passing through dry terrain, have poisoned attacks and are not fast cavalry)		* '''Rare:''' Savage org boar chariots (Just like regular chariots but with 6+ war save due to Warpaint and an increase in cost of 15 pts), Giants, River trolls, 0-1 spider swarms (50 pts per base, 2-10 unit size, average swarm stats and poisoned attach and Unbreakable), 0-1 goblin spider riders (Wolf riders but slower, have an easier time passing through dry terrain, have poisoned attacks and are not fast cavalry)

	===Mountain or troll country WAAAGH!===		===Mountain or troll country WAAAGH!===
	No savage units of any kind, and common orc and black orc big bosses can ride wyverns (wich is FUCKING AWESOME), although you're limited to 2 of them per army.		No savage units of any kind, and common orc and black orc big bosses can ride wyverns (wich is FUCKING AWESOME), although you're limited to 2 of them per army.
	* Core: Orc boyz (one unit can take a magic item), Arrer boyz, Goblins, Night goblins, 0-1 snotlings.		* '''Core:''' Orc boyz (one unit can take a magic item), Arrer boyz, Goblins, Night goblins, 0-1 snotlings.
	* Special: 0-1 black orcs, 0-1 squig herds, stone trolls, giants.		* '''Special:''' 0-1 black orcs, 0-1 squig herds, stone trolls, giants.
	* Rare: Doom divers, Rock lobbas, Spear chukkas		* '''Rare:''' Doom divers, Rock lobbas, Spear chukkas
	Yes, this army can have up to 2 wyverns and 4 giants in 2000 points. You know what to to.		Yes, this army can have up to 2 wyverns and 4 giants in 2000 points. You know what to to.

	===Nomadic badlands WAAAGH!===		===Nomadic badlands WAAAGH!===
	All characters must be mounted		All characters must be mounted
	* Core: Boar boyz, wolf riders, boar chariots.		* '''Core:''' Boar boyz, wolf riders, boar chariots.
	* Special: Boar chariots, savage boar boys		* '''Special:''' Boar chariots, savage boar boys
	* Rare: Pump wagons.		* '''Rare:''' Pump wagons.
	The Mad Max balls-to-the-wall chariot spam list. Or the all-cavalry one, pick you poison.		The Mad Max balls-to-the-wall chariot spam list. Or the all-cavalry one, pick you poison.

	===Snotling horde===		===Snotling horde===
	Your only character is the mighy Snotling Warboss, wich has the same exact stats anh point cost of a night goblin big boss, but can have no equipment and can take 25 pts of magic items.		Your only character is the mighy Snotling Warboss, wich has the same exact stats anh point cost of a night goblin big boss, but can have no equipment and can take 25 pts of magic items.
	* Core: Snotlings		* '''Core:''' Snotlings
	* Special: Pump Wagons		* '''Special:''' Pump Wagons
	* Rare: Giants.		* '''Rare:''' Giants.
	This is an army for tue egoists, bount do nothing and masters of their world. Beware the moment someome brings 2000 pints of only snotlings, as that day you met face to face with a God.		This is an army for tue egoists, bount do nothing and masters of their world. Beware the moment someome brings 2000 pints of only snotlings, as that day you met face to face with a God.

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	===Mountain or troll country WAAAGH!===		===Mountain or troll country WAAAGH!===
	No savage units of any kind, and common orc and black orc big bosses can ride ~~wyvers~~ (wich is FUCKING AWESOME), although you're limited to 2 ~~wyvers~~ per army.		No savage units of any kind, and common orc and black orc big bosses can ride wyverns (wich is FUCKING AWESOME), although you're limited to 2 of them per army.
	* Core: Orc boyz (one unit can take a magic item), Arrer boyz, Goblins, Night goblins, 0-1 snotlings.		* Core: Orc boyz (one unit can take a magic item), Arrer boyz, Goblins, Night goblins, 0-1 snotlings.
	* Special: 0-1 black orcs, 0-1 squig herds, stone trolls, giants.		* Special: 0-1 black orcs, 0-1 squig herds, stone trolls, giants.