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	*'''Heralds:''' Your generic hero choices that come in 4 flavors as below. Note, all the heralds have access to abilities called "Loci," which makes them share their special power with a unit of troops of that Chaos god. They can also ride mounts or chariots of their gods.		*'''Heralds:''' Your generic hero choices that come in 4 flavors as below. Note, all the heralds have access to abilities called "Loci," which makes them share their special power with a unit of troops of that Chaos god. They can also ride mounts or chariots of their gods.
	** '''Herald of Khorne:''' Close combat awesome! WS7, S5 and lots of killing blow attacks! His locus powers are either Magic Resist 2 (30 pts), Frenzy (60 pts) or Hatred (75 pts) granted to the Khorne unit he is in. Can also take 50 pts. of gifts. You can also put him on a Juggernaut or chariot. The HoK came out worse than before due to having to buy a Locus and lowered S.		** '''Herald of Khorne:''' Close combat awesome! WS7, S5 and lots of killing blow attacks! His locus powers are either Magic Resist 2 (30 pts), Frenzy (60 pts) or Hatred (75 pts) granted to the Khorne unit he is in. Can also take 50 pts. of gifts. You can also put him on a Juggernaut or chariot. The HoK came out worse than before due to having to buy a Locus and lowered S.
	*** '''Blood Throne of Khorne:''' The only way you can get this thing in. But is it worth it? It's a chariot, has two Bloodletters on board, and the Blood Throne itself can attack (and heal itself if it causes wounds on impact hits!) However, the model looks like a cover from a Lady Gaga album, and I'm left wondering what happened to [[Doomrider]]. Build your kit to make a Skull Cannon instead, and BAM! Free Herald of Khorne in the box! The throne does let all Khornate units within 6" benefit from the herald's locus, but if your opponent has any brain cells he'll aim everything he has at it turn 1. Might be useful if you bring something else that is a bigger fire magnet cough* Bloodthirster cough. NOTE you could take 4 of these in place of a Bloodthirster but that is a bit of an iffy idea. '''Alternative Take''' : NOT AS SHIT as You might think, dear Readers. It has a nice armor save, ~~<s>~~fielding a Herald with it provides him with a 2+ AS, which is awesome, considering most daemons are fucking naked~~</s> read the rulebook, chariot saves don’t stack for characters, the Herald will have a 5+~~. The Greater Locust of Fury should be Your main and ONLY choice here. It boosts up Bloodletters to a level of medium usefulness and proves a good shooting magnet. The 5+ Ward Save is really handy here. Remember that You can actually park this guy near a unit or 2 of Letters and just push the lane heavily, most opponents will try to avoid them due to the Killing Blow. NOT AS BAD. Still, the model blows.		*** '''Blood Throne of Khorne:''' The only way you can get this thing in. But is it worth it? It's a chariot, has two Bloodletters on board, and the Blood Throne itself can attack (and heal itself if it causes wounds on impact hits!) However, the model looks like a cover from a Lady Gaga album, and I'm left wondering what happened to [[Doomrider]]. Build your kit to make a Skull Cannon instead, and BAM! Free Herald of Khorne in the box! The throne does let all Khornate units within 6" benefit from the herald's locus, but if your opponent has any brain cells he'll aim everything he has at it turn 1. Might be useful if you bring something else that is a bigger fire magnet cough* Bloodthirster cough. NOTE you could take 4 of these in place of a Bloodthirster but that is a bit of an iffy idea. '''Alternative Take''' : NOT AS SHIT as You might think, dear Readers. It has a nice armor save, fielding a Herald with it provides him with a 2+ AS, which is awesome, considering most daemons are fucking naked. The Greater Locust of Fury should be Your main and ONLY choice here. It boosts up Bloodletters to a level of medium usefulness and proves a good shooting magnet. The 5+ Ward Save is really handy here. Remember that You can actually park this guy near a unit or 2 of Letters and just push the lane heavily, most opponents will try to avoid them due to the Killing Blow. NOT AS BAD. Still, the model blows.
	** '''Herald of Tzeentch:''' Magic awesome! Not much of a stat line, but he comes as a level 1 wizard and can re-roll ward saves and channeling rolls of 1. He has 3 loci: d3+1 blue horror counters (25), random strength each turn (35) (that just sounds like a bad idea), or +1 strength to spells cast by the herald and the unit he joins (50). You could instead put him on a Disc or Chariot of Tzeentch, but you're wasting the locus power. Not much point taking them without some pink horrors to keep him safe.		** '''Herald of Tzeentch:''' Magic awesome! Not much of a stat line, but he comes as a level 1 wizard and can re-roll ward saves and channeling rolls of 1. He has 3 loci: d3+1 blue horror counters (25), random strength each turn (35) (that just sounds like a bad idea), or +1 strength to spells cast by the herald and the unit he joins (50). You could instead put him on a Disc or Chariot of Tzeentch, but you're wasting the locus power. Not much point taking them without some pink horrors to keep him safe.
	** '''Exalted Flamer of Tzeentch:''' You know that humble Burning Chariot in the rare slot? Well what if I told you there's a way to take it at half the cost, in a less limited selection slot, and you could put it in a unit of skirmishers? Then my friend you are in luck because someone at GW decided to make a Battlescroll that does exactly that for 90 points. Madness I know, but hey when your friends use Banner of the World Dragon you are free to punish them with this not-war machine hero. No guarantee you will have friends left but at least you killed those elves really well that one game.		** '''Exalted Flamer of Tzeentch:''' You know that humble Burning Chariot in the rare slot? Well what if I told you there's a way to take it at half the cost, in a less limited selection slot, and you could put it in a unit of skirmishers? Then my friend you are in luck because someone at GW decided to make a Battlescroll that does exactly that for 90 points. Madness I know, but hey when your friends use Banner of the World Dragon you are free to punish them with this not-war machine hero. No guarantee you will have friends left but at least you killed those elves really well that one game.

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Generic Characters

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	*'''Heralds:''' Your generic hero choices that come in 4 flavors as below. Note, all the heralds have access to abilities called "Loci," which makes them share their special power with a unit of troops of that Chaos god. They can also ride mounts or chariots of their gods.		*'''Heralds:''' Your generic hero choices that come in 4 flavors as below. Note, all the heralds have access to abilities called "Loci," which makes them share their special power with a unit of troops of that Chaos god. They can also ride mounts or chariots of their gods.
	** '''Herald of Khorne:''' Close combat awesome! WS7, S5 and lots of killing blow attacks! His locus powers are either Magic Resist 2 (30 pts), Frenzy (60 pts) or Hatred (75 pts) granted to the Khorne unit he is in. Can also take 50 pts. of gifts. You can also put him on a Juggernaut or chariot. The HoK came out worse than before due to having to buy a Locus and lowered S.		** '''Herald of Khorne:''' Close combat awesome! WS7, S5 and lots of killing blow attacks! His locus powers are either Magic Resist 2 (30 pts), Frenzy (60 pts) or Hatred (75 pts) granted to the Khorne unit he is in. Can also take 50 pts. of gifts. You can also put him on a Juggernaut or chariot. The HoK came out worse than before due to having to buy a Locus and lowered S.
	*** '''Blood Throne of Khorne:''' The only way you can get this thing in. But is it worth it? It's a chariot, has two Bloodletters on board, and the Blood Throne itself can attack (and heal itself if it causes wounds on impact hits!) However, the model looks like a cover from a Lady Gaga album, and I'm left wondering what happened to [[Doomrider]]. Build your kit to make a Skull Cannon instead, and BAM! Free Herald of Khorne in the box! The throne does let all Khornate units within 6" benefit from the herald's locus, but if your opponent has any brain cells he'll aim everything he has at it turn 1. Might be useful if you bring something else that is a bigger fire magnet cough* Bloodthirster cough. NOTE you could take 4 of these in place of a Bloodthirster but that is a bit of an iffy idea. '''Alternative Take''' : NOT AS SHIT as You might think, dear Readers. It has a nice armor save, fielding a Herald with it provides him with a 2+ AS, which is awesome, considering most daemons are fucking naked. The Greater Locust of Fury should be Your main and ONLY choice here. It boosts up Bloodletters to a level of medium usefulness and proves a good shooting magnet. The 5+ Ward Save is really handy here. Remember that You can actually park this guy near a unit or 2 of Letters and just push the lane heavily, most opponents will try to avoid them due to the Killing Blow. NOT AS BAD. Still, the model blows.		*** '''Blood Throne of Khorne:''' The only way you can get this thing in. But is it worth it? It's a chariot, has two Bloodletters on board, and the Blood Throne itself can attack (and heal itself if it causes wounds on impact hits!) However, the model looks like a cover from a Lady Gaga album, and I'm left wondering what happened to [[Doomrider]]. Build your kit to make a Skull Cannon instead, and BAM! Free Herald of Khorne in the box! The throne does let all Khornate units within 6" benefit from the herald's locus, but if your opponent has any brain cells he'll aim everything he has at it turn 1. Might be useful if you bring something else that is a bigger fire magnet cough* Bloodthirster cough. NOTE you could take 4 of these in place of a Bloodthirster but that is a bit of an iffy idea. '''Alternative Take''' : NOT AS SHIT as You might think, dear Readers. It has a nice armor save, <s>fielding a Herald with it provides him with a 2+ AS, which is awesome, considering most daemons are fucking naked</s> read the rulebook, chariot saves don’t stack for characters, the Herald will have a 5+. The Greater Locust of Fury should be Your main and ONLY choice here. It boosts up Bloodletters to a level of medium usefulness and proves a good shooting magnet. The 5+ Ward Save is really handy here. Remember that You can actually park this guy near a unit or 2 of Letters and just push the lane heavily, most opponents will try to avoid them due to the Killing Blow. NOT AS BAD. Still, the model blows.
	** '''Herald of Tzeentch:''' Magic awesome! Not much of a stat line, but he comes as a level 1 wizard and can re-roll ward saves and channeling rolls of 1. He has 3 loci: d3+1 blue horror counters (25), random strength each turn (35) (that just sounds like a bad idea), or +1 strength to spells cast by the herald and the unit he joins (50). You could instead put him on a Disc or Chariot of Tzeentch, but you're wasting the locus power. Not much point taking them without some pink horrors to keep him safe.		** '''Herald of Tzeentch:''' Magic awesome! Not much of a stat line, but he comes as a level 1 wizard and can re-roll ward saves and channeling rolls of 1. He has 3 loci: d3+1 blue horror counters (25), random strength each turn (35) (that just sounds like a bad idea), or +1 strength to spells cast by the herald and the unit he joins (50). You could instead put him on a Disc or Chariot of Tzeentch, but you're wasting the locus power. Not much point taking them without some pink horrors to keep him safe.
	** '''Exalted Flamer of Tzeentch:''' You know that humble Burning Chariot in the rare slot? Well what if I told you there's a way to take it at half the cost, in a less limited selection slot, and you could put it in a unit of skirmishers? Then my friend you are in luck because someone at GW decided to make a Battlescroll that does exactly that for 90 points. Madness I know, but hey when your friends use Banner of the World Dragon you are free to punish them with this not-war machine hero. No guarantee you will have friends left but at least you killed those elves really well that one game.		** '''Exalted Flamer of Tzeentch:''' You know that humble Burning Chariot in the rare slot? Well what if I told you there's a way to take it at half the cost, in a less limited selection slot, and you could put it in a unit of skirmishers? Then my friend you are in luck because someone at GW decided to make a Battlescroll that does exactly that for 90 points. Madness I know, but hey when your friends use Banner of the World Dragon you are free to punish them with this not-war machine hero. No guarantee you will have friends left but at least you killed those elves really well that one game.

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Core Units

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	*'''Pink Horrors of Tzeentch:''' A unit of Pink Horrors is a level 1 wizard that takes its one spell from the Daemon Lore of Tzeentch. Best taken in minimum 10-man units, because while they do get a bonus to cast based on their rank bonus, they will know only one spell, and even then you still have to roll for it. You could take one or two minimum-sized units to fill your core requirement, all the while benefiting from their ability to channel dice. One other thing to note is that Horrors do not roll on the miscast table when they miscast, meaning six-dicing that Infernal Gateway does not lead to a chance of power dice being taken away from the pool.		*'''Pink Horrors of Tzeentch:''' A unit of Pink Horrors is a level 1 wizard that takes its one spell from the Daemon Lore of Tzeentch. Best taken in minimum 10-man units, because while they do get a bonus to cast based on their rank bonus, they will know only one spell, and even then you still have to roll for it. You could take one or two minimum-sized units to fill your core requirement, all the while benefiting from their ability to channel dice. One other thing to note is that Horrors do not roll on the miscast table when they miscast, meaning six-dicing that Infernal Gateway does not lead to a chance of power dice being taken away from the pool.

	*'''Daemonettes of Slaanesh:''' 11 pts. for M of 6, WS and I of 5 and 2 attacks base with Armour Piercing make for some good fun in small units. You can put the flaming banner on a unit of Daemonettes to give them flaming attacks as they are not equipped with magical weapons like Bloodletters or Plaguebearers (EDIT: Daemonic Attacks under the daemonic special rule states that ALL daemon attacks are magical, including Daemonette attacks). Kitted them out this way, they are not bad at hunting Regenerating units (i.e. Trolls). '''Alternative approach''' : Large blocks, backed up with Lore of Shadows and ASF ~~Locust~~. They are cheap and have many attacks. 5+ Ward Save means they won't die like shit all the time. Two blocks of 25 or 30 is not AS expensive as You might think :)		*'''Daemonettes of Slaanesh:''' 11 pts. for M of 6, WS and I of 5 and 2 attacks base with Armour Piercing make for some good fun in small units. You can put the flaming banner on a unit of Daemonettes to give them flaming attacks as they are not equipped with magical weapons like Bloodletters or Plaguebearers (EDIT: Daemonic Attacks under the daemonic special rule states that ALL daemon attacks are magical, including Daemonette attacks). Kitted them out this way, they are not bad at hunting Regenerating units (i.e. Trolls). '''Alternative approach''' : Large blocks, backed up with Lore of Shadows and ASF Locus. They are cheap and have many attacks. 5+ Ward Save means they won't die like shit all the time. Two blocks of 25 or 30 is not AS expensive as You might think :)

	*'''Plaguebearers of Nurgle:''' They have poisoned attacks and a crippling initiative of 2 but can be a very daunting prospect when marched in a horde with a Strength and Toughness of 4.( Remember, they cause the enemy models to get a -1 modifier to hit them, they can tie something up for a good while in a horde, then smack them around with poison.) PLAY THEM IN A HORDE WITH EPIDEMIUS AND WAIT FOR YOUR POINTY-EARED OPPONENT TO SOB BEFORE YOUR S5 T5 HORDE OF UNPARALLELED "FUN"		*'''Plaguebearers of Nurgle:''' They have poisoned attacks and a crippling initiative of 2 but can be a very daunting prospect when marched in a horde with a Strength and Toughness of 4.( Remember, they cause the enemy models to get a -1 modifier to hit them, they can tie something up for a good while in a horde, then smack them around with poison.) PLAY THEM IN A HORDE WITH EPIDEMIUS AND WAIT FOR YOUR POINTY-EARED OPPONENT TO SOB BEFORE YOUR S5 T5 HORDE OF UNPARALLELED "FUN"

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	Alternate Take: This character is pure, undiluted shit in a Daemon army, as she lacks Daemonic Alignment; she cannot join any friendly units, and is a nice 300+ pts lone character in an edition in which that is suicide. Skip. Skip for miles. Avoid like the plague (of Nurgle)		Alternate Take: This character is pure, undiluted shit in a Daemon army, as she lacks Daemonic Alignment; she cannot join any friendly units, and is a nice 300+ pts lone character in an edition in which that is suicide. Skip. Skip for miles. Avoid like the plague (of Nurgle)

	*'''U'zhul Skulltaker:''' ~~RAPE~~ INCARNATE! Essentially a herald of Khorne with a Lesser Locus, a WS and I of 9, flaming attacks, magic resistance, a 3+ armour save and heroic killing blow in duels! Great for hiding in a unit of Bloodletters or Bloodcrushers - just watch out for those always strikes first characters and dragonhelm/dragon armour, they can still fuck him up.		*'''U'zhul Skulltaker:''' RAGE INCARNATE! Essentially a herald of Khorne with a Lesser Locus, a WS and I of 9, flaming attacks, magic resistance, a 3+ armour save and heroic killing blow in duels! Great for hiding in a unit of Bloodletters or Bloodcrushers - just watch out for those always strikes first characters and dragonhelm/dragon armour, they can still fuck him up.

	*'''The Masque of Slaanesh:''' Although better than her 40K incarnation, still not really worth it as she cannot join units. Pretty good in close combat with her unnatural reflexes and awesome at disrupting units with her eternal dance.		*'''The Masque of Slaanesh:''' Although better than her 40K incarnation, still not really worth it as she cannot join units. Pretty good in close combat with her unnatural reflexes and awesome at disrupting units with her eternal dance.

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2020-10-06T21:34:25Z

- Discussions belong on the talk page. Also deleted arguments on the main page.

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Daemonic Gifts

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	*'''Greater Daemonic Gifts:''' These are worth 50 points apiece, and since you can take multiples, you have a better shot at getting what you want. Overall though this table is more or less a trap, because they are either inefficient or downright detrimental to your character's well-being. Only the armor result is really worth it.		*'''Greater Daemonic Gifts:''' These are worth 50 points apiece, and since you can take multiples, you have a better shot at getting what you want. Overall though this table is more or less a trap, because they are either inefficient or downright detrimental to your character's well-being. Only the armor result is really worth it.
	**0: Greater Weapon. Choose this and get either a magic weapon from the core rulebook worth up to 50 points, or get a god-specific weapon from the following page.		**0: Greater Weapon. Choose this and get either a magic weapon from the core rulebook worth up to 50 points, or get a god-specific weapon from the following page.
	**1: Unholy Sacrifice. Lose d3 wounds with no possible save to get d3+1 Power dice in your magic phase that turn. In other news, <s>emo Daemons are back, and that 5th Chaos God we don't speak of is trying to get out.</s> Absolutely disgusting as d3 wounds is not worth d3+1 power dice.		**1: Unholy Sacrifice. (More expensive, less effective, more self-destructive forbidden rod. Pass). Lose d3 wounds with no possible save to get d3+1 Power dice in your magic phase that turn. In other news, <s>emo Daemons are back, and that 5th Chaos God we don't speak of is trying to get out.</s> Absolutely disgusting as d3 wounds is not worth d3+1 power dice.
	**2: Corpulence. +1 Wound. This is not worth it. 50 points for 1 wound is not that efficient. Consider getting a magic weapon instead.		**2: Corpulence. +1 Wound. This is not worth it. 50 points for 1 wound is not that efficient. Consider getting a magic weapon instead.
	**3: Incorporeal Strike. No armor saves can be taken against this beast. Look at who you're up against. Lotsa armor? Take it. Not so much armor? Exchange it for more attacks or more strength.		**3: Incorporeal Strike. No armor saves can be taken against this beast. Look at who you're up against. Lotsa armor? Take it. Not so much armor? Exchange it for more attacks or more strength.
	**4: Souleater. Remember Soul Stealer from the old book? It's back, but this time you only get one Wound back per combat phase.		**4: Souleater. Remember Soul Stealer from the old book? It's back, but this time you only get one Wound back per combat phase.
	**5: Unbreakable Skin. +2 Armor Save that cannot be improved EVAR. Probably the best one on this table. You want your characters to stay alive, and armor certainly helps in being resilient.		**5: Unbreakable Skin. 2+ Armor Save that cannot be improved EVAR. Probably the best one on this table. You want your characters to stay alive, and armor certainly helps in being resilient.
	**6: Unholy Flurry. +2 Attacks. Honestly a little underwhelming. Could be worth it on a Bloodthirster because this stacks with his additional hand weapon, giving him 9 attacks in total.		**6: Unholy Flurry. +2 Attacks. Honestly a little underwhelming. Could be worth it on a Bloodthirster because this stacks with his additional hand weapon, giving him 9 attacks in total.

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Rare Units

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	*'''Soul Grinder:''' This is the only place in the entire book where you'll have artillery support outside of the Skull Cannon, and stone throwers aren't bad to have if you're trying to clear out specific targets in the backfield or just looking to get a couple shots off before combat (remember you can move and shoot). It does compete with all of the other cool choices in the Rare Units, though... though it could find a home in a Warp Forge-oriented list or theme army. <s>T7 makes pointy ears shit thems'elfs'</s> Not really, T5 and T7 are the same to S3. Mind poison.		*'''Soul Grinder:''' This is the only place in the entire book where you'll have artillery support outside of the Skull Cannon, and stone throwers aren't bad to have if you're trying to clear out specific targets in the backfield or just looking to get a couple shots off before combat (remember you can move and shoot). It does compete with all of the other cool choices in the Rare Units, though... though it could find a home in a Warp Forge-oriented list or theme army. <s>T7 makes pointy ears shit thems'elfs'</s> Not really, T5 and T7 are the same to S3. Mind poison. (HE rare archers and DE crossbowelves have S4 ranged attacks, against which T7 does matter. Only the Wood Elves, who are SUPPOSED to be good archers, get shafted with the pathetic S3 range attacks. WE get shafted a lot when compared to the other elves...).

	*'''Plague Drones of Nurgle:''' These guys are even bigger bastards than the Beasts of Nurgle. 55 points gives you Monstrous Cavalry at 4, T5, poison, at least 4 attacks from each model, a Stomp, and they Hover. That's right, FLYING MONSTROUS CAVALRY. I've seen people, divided over whether or not the model looks good, but what more do you want from a Rare unit? It's Plaguebearers riding flies from your sister's worst nightmares.		*'''Plague Drones of Nurgle:''' These guys are even bigger bastards than the Beasts of Nurgle. 55 points gives you Monstrous Cavalry at 4, T5, poison, at least 4 attacks from each model, a Stomp, and they Hover. That's right, FLYING MONSTROUS CAVALRY. I've seen people, divided over whether or not the model looks good, but what more do you want from a Rare unit? It's Plaguebearers riding flies from your sister's worst nightmares.

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Why Play Daemons of Chaos

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	==Why Play Daemons of Chaos==		==Why Play Daemons of Chaos==
	There are a number of reasons to play daemons of chaos, so we'll deal with the minor ones first. The Daemons are pure, concentrated evil - destruction incarnate, really. They have some pretty slick models and a lot of options in the army, however, many people have swarmed to Daemons of Chaos because of their broken reputation in 7th edition.		There are a number of reasons to play daemons of chaos, so we'll deal with the minor ones first. The Daemons are pure, concentrated evil - destruction incarnate, really. And, since they're supposed to be shards of whichever God spawned them, playing as, say, Daemons of Nurgle means you are playing AS Nurgle. Kickass. They have some pretty slick models and a lot of options in the army, however, many people have swarmed to Daemons of Chaos because of their broken reputation in 7th edition.

	Well, with the release of the 8th edition army book, those days are effectively over. Daemons are one of the trickiest armies to play now simply due to the amount of randomness thrown into the new book. The first big change comes from the Reign of Chaos table which is consulted when you roll for winds of magic. The effects of this table can help you for the turn (giving you an upgrade to your Ward Save, bombing enemy units, or giving you free lesser daemons or heralds) or extremely cripple you (docking your ward save or destroying your own units). The other one is the inclusion of Daemonic Gifts which are all random and disallows the use of core rulebook magic items except banners, though you may swap out your roll for a magic weapon. Daemons haven't been made ''bad'' per say, but they have become quite unpredictable for both the player and the opponent; and with the possibility of hindering your own units by random chance, their competitive strength has now become questionable.		Well, with the release of the 8th edition army book, those days are effectively over. Daemons are one of the trickiest armies to play now simply due to the amount of randomness thrown into the new book. The first big change comes from the Reign of Chaos table which is consulted when you roll for winds of magic. The effects of this table can help you for the turn (giving you an upgrade to your Ward Save, bombing enemy units, or giving you free lesser daemons or heralds) or extremely cripple you (docking your ward save or destroying your own units). The other one is the inclusion of Daemonic Gifts which are all random and disallows the use of core rulebook magic items except banners, though you may swap out your roll for a magic weapon. Daemons haven't been made ''bad'' per say, but they have become quite unpredictable for both the player and the opponent; and with the possibility of hindering your own units by random chance, their competitive strength has now become questionable.

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	===Rare Units===		===Rare Units===
	*'''Soul Grinder:''' This is the only place in the entire book where you'll have artillery support outside of the Skull Cannon, and stone throwers aren't bad to have if you're trying to clear out specific targets in the backfield or just looking to get a couple shots off before combat (remember you can move and shoot). It does compete with all of the other cool choices in the Rare Units, though... though it could find a home in a Warp Forge-oriented list or theme army. <s>T7 makes pointy ears shit thems'elfs'</s> Not really, T5 and T7 are the same to S3. Mind poison. (HE rare archers and DE crossbowelves have S4 ranged attacks, against which T7 does matter. Only the Wood Elves, who are SUPPOSED to be good archers, get shafted with the pathetic S3 range attacks. WE get shafted a lot when compared to the other elves...).		*'''Soul Grinder:''' This is the only place in the entire book where you'll have artillery support outside of the Skull Cannon, and stone throwers aren't bad to have if you're trying to clear out specific targets in the backfield or just looking to get a couple shots off before combat (remember you can move and shoot). It does compete with all of the other cool choices in the Rare Units, though... though it could find a home in a Warp Forge-oriented list or theme army.

	*'''Plague Drones of Nurgle:''' These guys are even bigger bastards than the Beasts of Nurgle. 55 points gives you Monstrous Cavalry at 4, T5, poison, at least 4 attacks from each model, a Stomp, and they Hover. That's right, FLYING MONSTROUS CAVALRY. I've seen people, divided over whether or not the model looks good, but what more do you want from a Rare unit? It's Plaguebearers riding flies from your sister's worst nightmares.		*'''Plague Drones of Nurgle:''' These guys are even bigger bastards than the Beasts of Nurgle. 55 points gives you Monstrous Cavalry at 4, T5, poison, at least 4 attacks from each model, a Stomp, and they Hover. That's right, FLYING MONSTROUS CAVALRY. I've seen people, divided over whether or not the model looks good, but what more do you want from a Rare unit? It's Plaguebearers riding flies from your sister's worst nightmares.
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	Take ~~<s>Flamers</s>~~ Beasts and Khannons or you're doing it wrong and either a Daemon Prince or a Greater Daemon (a KOS or LOC is recommended).		Take Beasts and Khannons or you're doing it wrong and either a Daemon Prince or a Greater Daemon (a KOS or LOC is recommended).

	A good goal is to build towards one or two gods at first, and add to your collection over time, because every god by itself is fairly reliable (nurgle is arguably the best) when you mix two or more your army will quickly become a honed daemon death machine.		A good goal is to build towards one or two gods at first, and add to your collection over time, because every god by itself is fairly reliable (nurgle is arguably the best) when you mix two or more your army will quickly become a honed daemon death machine.
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	Remember that you can swap your gift for a points-equivalent magic weapon from the BRB. What this means is that you can actually tailor your setup based on who you are up against. For example, if you're playing against an army with high armor, you could swap your Greater Gift result for an Obsidian Blade or Ogre Blade.		Remember that you can swap your gift for a points-equivalent magic weapon from the BRB. What this means is that you can actually tailor your setup based on who you are up against. For example, if you're playing against an army with high armor, you could swap your Greater Gift result for an Obsidian Blade or Ogre Blade.

	*'''Exalted Daemonic Gifts:''' These bad boys come in at 75 points per gift,(unlike greater and lesser you may not chose to swap these out for generic magic item of the same value) ~~<s>so only your Greater Daemons might be running these</s>~~. As such, a bad roll on here will make you feel like you wasted points. After the roll is made, you may choose to keep the roll or opt for the 0 option, just like with deciding magic spells. <b> You cannot have multiples of the same roll, and you cannot buy more than two rolls on a table. </b>		*'''Exalted Daemonic Gifts:''' These bad boys come in at 75 points per gift,(unlike greater and lesser you may not chose to swap these out for generic magic item of the same value). As such, a bad roll on here will make you feel like you wasted points. After the roll is made, you may choose to keep the roll or opt for the 0 option, just like with deciding magic spells. <b> You cannot have multiples of the same roll, and you cannot buy more than two rolls on a table. </b>
	**0: Hellforged Artifact. Choose from a series of four magic items that may make the game even more [[fun]]:		**0: Hellforged Artifact. Choose from a series of four magic items that may make the game even more [[fun]]:
	**1: Aura of Disruption. You get a free dispel dice each time the model is on the board and a dispel attempt is made, like some weird anti-Slann.		**1: Aura of Disruption. You get a free dispel dice each time the model is on the board and a dispel attempt is made, like some weird anti-Slann.
	**2: Sorcerous Lodestone. When anyone casts a spell, on a 5+, your Daemon regains a wound. If someone miscasts, on a 4+, your Daemon loses a wound. Why? BECAUSE CHAOS		**2: Sorcerous Lodestone. When anyone casts a spell, on a 5+, your Daemon regains a wound. If someone miscasts, on a 4+, your Daemon loses a wound. Why? BECAUSE CHAOS
	**3: Bringer of the Swarm. For each unsaved wound you do to a unit (and there should be many), a unit of Chaos Furies is made next to you with a number of dudes equal to how many guys wounds you did. If you can't put the unit down, you get NOTHING~~. <s> These guys count as victory points </s> lol no they don't~~.		**3: Bringer of the Swarm. For each unsaved wound you do to a unit (and there should be many), a unit of Chaos Furies is made next to you with a number of dudes equal to how many guys wounds you did. If you can't put the unit down, you get NOTHING.
	**4: Impenetrable Hide. +2 Toughness. Could be awesome, but everything wounds on a 6 anyway.		**4: Impenetrable Hide. +2 Toughness. Could be awesome, but everything wounds on a 6 anyway.
	**5: Massive Might. +3 Strength. Aren't you already at S6 or higher anyway?		**5: Massive Might. +3 Strength. Aren't you already at S6 or higher anyway?
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	*'''Greater Daemonic Gifts:''' These are worth 50 points apiece, and since you can take multiples, you have a better shot at getting what you want. Overall though this table is more or less a trap, because they are either inefficient or downright detrimental to your character's well-being. Only the armor result is really worth it.		*'''Greater Daemonic Gifts:''' These are worth 50 points apiece, and since you can take multiples, you have a better shot at getting what you want. Overall though this table is more or less a trap, because they are either inefficient or downright detrimental to your character's well-being. Only the armor result is really worth it.
	**0: Greater Weapon. Choose this and get either a magic weapon from the core rulebook worth up to 50 points, or get a god-specific weapon from the following page.		**0: Greater Weapon. Choose this and get either a magic weapon from the core rulebook worth up to 50 points, or get a god-specific weapon from the following page.
	**1: Unholy Sacrifice. (More expensive, less effective, more self-destructive forbidden rod. Pass). Lose d3 wounds with no possible save to get d3+1 Power dice in your magic phase that turn. ~~In other news, <s>emo Daemons are back, and that 5th Chaos God we don't speak of is trying to get out.</s>~~ Absolutely disgusting as d3 wounds is not worth d3+1 power dice.		**1: Unholy Sacrifice. (More expensive, less effective, more self-destructive forbidden rod. Pass). Lose d3 wounds with no possible save to get d3+1 Power dice in your magic phase that turn. Absolutely disgusting as d3 wounds is not worth d3+1 power dice.
	**2: Corpulence. +1 Wound. This is not worth it. 50 points for 1 wound is not that efficient. Consider getting a magic weapon instead.		**2: Corpulence. +1 Wound. This is not worth it. 50 points for 1 wound is not that efficient. Consider getting a magic weapon instead.
	**3: Incorporeal Strike. No armor saves can be taken against this beast. Look at who you're up against. Lotsa armor? Take it. Not so much armor? Exchange it for more attacks or more strength.		**3: Incorporeal Strike. No armor saves can be taken against this beast. Look at who you're up against. Lotsa armor? Take it. Not so much armor? Exchange it for more attacks or more strength.