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	*'''Chameleon Skinks:''' Your only Scouts option and great warmachine hunters. Their higher Ballistic Skill allows them to still get Poison on their blowpipe shots, unlike any unit of Skinks which moves. Regular Skink skirmishers require 7's to hit anything outside 6 inches if they move which means no Poison. They have their place in any thematic or fine-tuned army but unfortunately they suffer from "just bringing more skinks".		*'''Chameleon Skinks:''' Your only Scouts option and great warmachine hunters. Their higher Ballistic Skill allows them to still get Poison on their blowpipe shots, unlike any unit of Skinks which moves. Regular Skink skirmishers require 7's to hit anything outside 6 inches if they move which means no Poison. They have their place in any thematic or fine-tuned army but unfortunately they suffer from "just bringing more skinks".

	*'''Stegadon:''' The main Lizardmen monster, it's cheap enough that you can afford to bring it alongside other large threats. Not that warmachines won't be gunning for your Slann since turn 1 anyway. Stegadons are crewed by 5 Skinks with poisoned javelins who also man the Giant Bow (a ballista in all but name), which can shoot even while moving, making it a rather well rounded monster. The Stegadon causes Terror and benefits from a handful of nice rules plus all the things which come with being a Monster, chief among which is the combination of Impact Hits and Thunderstomp. As such their most common role is flanking and hitting a unit that's already engaged in combat, hopefully smashing right through it.		*'''Stegadon:''' The main Lizardmen monster, it's cheap enough that you can afford to bring it alongside other large threats. Not that warmachines won't be gunning for your Slann since turn 1 anyway. (they won't, if he's in Temple Guard, as he should be, he's immune to artillery) Stegadons are crewed by 5 Skinks with poisoned javelins who also man the Giant Bow (a ballista in all but name), which can shoot even while moving, making it a rather well rounded monster. The Stegadon causes Terror and benefits from a handful of nice rules plus all the things which come with being a Monster, chief among which is the combination of Impact Hits and Thunderstomp. As such their most common role is flanking and hitting a unit that's already engaged in combat, hopefully smashing right through it.

	===Rare Units===		===Rare Units===

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	* ''The Other Trickster's Shard'' 15pts for forcing enemies in base contact with the bearer to re-roll successful ward saves. Yes. You want this. This is how your Saurus cowboy kills characters with layered defenses. Take it.		* ''The Other Trickster's Shard'' 15pts for forcing enemies in base contact with the bearer to re-roll successful ward saves. Yes. You want this. This is how your Saurus cowboy kills characters with layered defenses. Take it.

	* ''Ruby Ring of Ruin:'' 25pts for a bound Fireball. Probably not better than a Solar Engine, but can fit onto someone to burn leftover magic dice if you're running Slannless. Obviously skip it if you have a Fire or Signatures Slann.		* ''Ruby Ring of Ruin:'' 25pts for a bound Fireball. Probably not better than a Solar Engine, but can fit onto someone to burn leftover magic dice if you're running Slannless. Between being starved for banners and our only other non-magic fire options are expensive, keep this in mind if you notice your army has none. Obviously skip it if you have a Fire or Signatures Slann.

	* ''The Terrifying Mask of EEE!:'' 25pts for Terror, at the additional cost of disallowing allies from using this model's Ld. Would be overpriced even without the downside. Pretty bad, we have Terror at our fingertips. Only for mindgames, where you run this on a unit otherwise without Terror, so your opponent sends their units vulnerable to Terror at them, so they get afflicted by Terror, because no Lizardmen player would ever choose this item. Just as planned.		* ''The Terrifying Mask of EEE!:'' 25pts for Terror, at the additional cost of disallowing allies from using this model's Ld. Would be overpriced even without the downside. Pretty bad, we have Terror at our fingertips. Only for mindgames, where you run this on a unit otherwise without Terror, so your opponent sends their units vulnerable to Terror at them, so they get afflicted by Terror, because no Lizardmen player would ever choose this item. Just as planned.

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	* ''Sword of Might'': You're paying 20 points for the ability to take a shield on your Saurus over a Halberd. Situationally useful, otherwise just take the Halberd. Better pick on a Skink Chief, who can't take a halberd anyways, and appreciates the punch.		* ''Sword of Might'': You're paying 20 points for the ability to take a shield on your Saurus over a Halberd. Situationally useful, otherwise just take the Halberd. Better pick on a Skink Chief, who can't take a halberd anyways, and appreciates the punch.

	* ''Sword of Bloodshed:''' 60pts for +3 Attacks. Our Oldbloods generally have much better things to be doing than blending, and usually have enough attacks to win fights with other characters as it is, and would probably like other, more supportive items more anyways. Pass unless you're insisting on a ~~BSB~~ Oldblood. Then only probably pass. Worth noting for this, and all the other +Attacks items, though is that you CAN proc Predatory Fighter off of the extra attacks. Probably not enough to take them when you otherwise wouldn't, but a nice tiebreaker.		* ''Sword of Bloodshed:''' 60pts for +3 Attacks. Our Oldbloods generally have much better things to be doing than blending, and usually have enough attacks to win fights with other characters as it is, and would probably like other, more supportive items more anyways. Pass unless you're insisting on a unit babysitting Oldblood. Then only probably pass. Worth noting for this, and all the other +Attacks items, though is that you CAN proc Predatory Fighter off of the extra attacks. Probably not enough to take them when you otherwise wouldn't, but a nice tiebreaker.

	* ''Sword of Strife'': 40 points for 2 extra attacks. Nearly as nice for 2/3 the price, this is actually worth a look on an Oldblood leading a unit, since there's plenty if budget left for other stuff. Scar Vet still probably wants something else more, but a Scar Vet with this and the Seed of Rebirth is a very present and active force in a unit.		* ''Sword of Strife'': 40 points for 2 extra attacks. Nearly as nice for 2/3 the price, this is actually worth a look on an Oldblood leading a unit, since there's plenty if budget left for other stuff. Scar Vet still probably wants something else more, but a Scar Vet with this and the Seed of Rebirth is a very present and active force in a unit.

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	* ''Shield of Ptolos:'' 25 points. Grants 1+ armor save against shooting. Also a shield. Meh. Your characters are definitely being shot at, but you generally want armor that will keep them alive once they actually get into combat. Might be worth running on a Skink Chief on a Terradon.		* ''Shield of Ptolos:'' 25 points. Grants 1+ armor save against shooting. Also a shield. Meh. Your characters are definitely being shot at, but you generally want armor that will keep them alive once they actually get into combat. Might be worth running on a Skink Chief on a Terradon.

	* ''Charmed Shield:'' 5pts for a shield which allows you to ignore the first hit suffered on a roll of 2+. Meh. ~~Saurus are generally pretty~~ easy to ~~hit and tank out the damage later~~, ~~so odds are ot will be wasted.~~ Slann ~~are taking the~~ warmachine fire, ~~and if you~~'~~re investing into an Oldblood on~~ a ~~Carnosaur, you probably want real armor~~. ~~Might be worth considering~~ on a ~~Skink Chief, especially one holding a Standard, but~~, ~~probably worth less than the skink you could buy otherwise~~.		* ''Charmed Shield:'' 5pts for a shield which allows you to ignore the first hit suffered on a roll of 2+. Meh. Cheap, so it's easy to fit, but your Slann is drawing most warmachine fire, so it probably won't block a cannonball. Fine for a Scar Vet on a budget, I guess.

	* ''Spellshield:'' 20pts for a shield with Magic Resistance (1). Eh. Tax you pay if you want two Obsidian Trinkets. Can fit on a Skink Chief caddying other items too, I guess.		* ''Spellshield:'' 20pts for a shield with Magic Resistance (1). Eh. Tax you pay if you want two Obsidian Trinkets. Can fit on a Skink Chief caddying other items too, I guess.

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	* ''Ranger's Standard'': 50pts for ignoring all difficult terrain. Very very expensive, usually not worth it, especially since CoC is also too expensive. Fine if you are committing to CoC for some reason.		* ''Ranger's Standard'': 50pts for ignoring all difficult terrain. Very very expensive, usually not worth it, especially since CoC is also too expensive. Fine if you are committing to CoC for some reason.

	* ''Banner of Swiftness'': 15pts for +1 Move. Nice and cheap, and much appreciated on your Saurus or Temple Guard, and ~~can fit nicely with other~~ Skink caddy ~~items~~.		* ''Banner of Swiftness'': 15pts for +1 Move. Nice and cheap, and much appreciated on your Saurus or Temple Guard, and definitely worth a Skink caddy.

	* ''Banner of Eternal Flame'': 10 points, gives the unit Flaming Attacks. Cheap access to Flaming Hits, definitely consider this if you don't have any other sources of fire. Be cautious of putting it on your only Saurus character though, since it will seriously blunt their attacks against whoever the opponent gave their Dragonhelm to. Handy on a Skink Chief.		* ''Banner of Eternal Flame'': 10 points, gives the unit Flaming Attacks. Cheap access to Flaming Hits, definitely consider this if you don't have any other sources of fire. Be cautious of putting it on your only Saurus character though, since it will seriously blunt their attacks against whoever the opponent gave their Dragonhelm to. Handy on a Skink Chief.

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	* ''Gleaming Pennant:'' 5 points to reroll one failed leadership test. Cheap, but unnecessary with our Leadership and Cold Blooded. Only if you know you're going up against Leadership shenanigans, and even then. Keep going.		* ''Gleaming Pennant:'' 5 points to reroll one failed leadership test. Cheap, but unnecessary with our Leadership and Cold Blooded. Only if you know you're going up against Leadership shenanigans, and even then. Keep going.

	* ''Lichbone Pennant:'' Much beloved source of magic resistance. Great option if you have no better ideas, protecting our pricy Saurus from being fucked with is important. But... the main benefit of Magic Resistance without needing a character is essentially lost on us, and a Skink Chief can take an Obsidian Trinket ~~AND another~~ banner. Might be worth it on the Temple Guard your Slann is embedded in, to share a few points of love with your frog.		* ''Lichbone Pennant:'' Much beloved source of magic resistance. Great option if you have no better ideas, protecting our pricy Saurus from being fucked with is important. But... the main benefit of Magic Resistance without needing a character is essentially lost on us, and a Skink Chief can take an Obsidian Trinket to get the same effect, saving a banner. Might be worth it on the Temple Guard your Slann is embedded in, to share a few points of love with your frog.

	* ''Ranger's Standard'': 50pts for ignoring all difficult terrain. Very very expensive, usually not worth it, especially since CoC is also too expensive. Fine if you are committing to CoC for some reason.		* ''Ranger's Standard'': 50pts for ignoring all difficult terrain. Very very expensive, usually not worth it, especially since CoC is also too expensive. Fine if you are committing to CoC for some reason.

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	* ''Power Stone:'' 20pts for two bonus power dice, must be used before rolling for the spell. Safer, cheaper version of the Forbidden Rod. Can make for some spooky magic phases, which you can absolutely take advantage of. Nice in the pocket of either a Slann or a Skink Priest, though your Slann likely has better options.		* ''Power Stone:'' 20pts for two bonus power dice, must be used before rolling for the spell. Safer, cheaper version of the Forbidden Rod. Can make for some spooky magic phases, which you can absolutely take advantage of. Nice in the pocket of either a Slann or a Skink Priest, though your Slann likely has better options.

	* ''Wand of Jet'': 35pts for what amounts to an additional power dice, after attempting a cast. Basically insurance on a spell. Slann shouldn't have too much problem making their casts, but can be handy on a Skink that needs to get off a high end spell... but the Power Stone does the same thing, more reliably, for cheaper,		* ''Wand of Jet'': 35pts for what amounts to an additional power dice, after attempting a cast. Basically insurance on a spell. Slann shouldn't have too much problem making their casts, but can be handy on a Skink that needs to get off a high end spell... but the Power Stone does the same thing, more reliably, for cheaper, for the cost of potentially being wasted on that critical spell you needed to cast either way. Pass unless you're swimming in Skink Priests with empty pockets, somehow.
	for the cost of potentially being wasted on that critical spell you needed to cast either way. Pass unless you're swimming in Skink Priests with empty pockets.

	* ''Sceptre of Stability'': 15pts for adding a dice to a dispel attempt. Insures a dispel, like the Wand of Jet. Handy if you're running only Skink Priests, Slann are good enough at dispels to leave this at home. Also, just take Becalming Cognition, bro.		* ''Sceptre of Stability'': 15pts for adding a dice to a dispel attempt. Insures a dispel, like the Wand of Jet. Handy if you're running only Skink Priests, Slann are good enough at dispels to leave this at home. Also, just take Becalming Cognition, bro.

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	* ''Spellthieving Sword:'' 25pts and each time you wound a wizard, he forgets a random spell. If a wizard is still alive after combat with a Saurus, something has gone very wrong. Niche utility on a Skink Chief hunting for big, beefy named wizards... but this is half an MSU of skinks pissed away on a terrible plan.		* ''Spellthieving Sword:'' 25pts and each time you wound a wizard, he forgets a random spell. If a wizard is still alive after combat with a Saurus, something has gone very wrong. Niche utility on a Skink Chief hunting for big, beefy named wizards... but this is half an MSU of skinks pissed away on a terrible plan.

	* ''Obsidian Blade'': 50 points to ignore armor saves. Overpriced for one, Strength 5 us already decent against armor for two, and for the knockout third, if it's gimmicky enough to even consider this, we have the Blade of Realities to just say "fuck you" to EVERY layer of defense a character has, not just their armor. Hard pass.		* ''Obsidian Blade'': 50 points to ignore armor saves. Overpriced for one, Strength 5 is already decent against armor for two, and for the knockout third, if it's gimmicky enough to even consider this, we have the Blade of Realities to just say "fuck you" to EVERY layer of defense a character has, not just their armor. Hard pass.

	* ''Biting Blade:'' 10pts for Armor Penetration. Unlike the above, this is cheap enough to play with a bit. Pretty much useless on a Saurus, just take a halberd or ~~Sowrd~~ of Might if you're considering it, but has a place on a Skink Chief to let him hunt tougher targets. Might be useless in some games, but in others, can make the difference between a useless Skink character and an effective assassination.		* ''Biting Blade:'' 10pts for Armor Penetration. Unlike the above, this is cheap enough to play with a bit. Pretty much useless on a Saurus, just take a halberd or Sword of Might if you're considering it, but has a place on a Skink Chief to let him hunt tougher targets. Might be useless in some games, but in others, can make the difference between a useless Skink character and an effective assassination.


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	* ''Dragonhelm:''. 5pts for 2+ ward save against flaming attacks, as well as +1 to your armor save from the helm itself. You know it, you love it, and if you have a Scar Veteran on a Cold one or Carnosaur he may well already be wearing it.		* ''Dragonhelm:''. 5pts for 2+ ward save against flaming attacks, as well as +1 to your armor save from the helm itself. You know it, you love it, and if you have a Scar Veteran on a Cold one or Carnosaur he may well already be wearing it.

	* ''Enchanted Shield:'' 5pts for ~~essentiay~~ double a normal shield's effect. Cheap. Good. Definitely take it if you don't have other armor plans.		* ''Enchanted Shield:'' 5pts for essentially double a normal shield's effect. Cheap. Good. Definitely take it if you don't have other armor plans.

	* ''Glittering Scales:'' 25pts light armor that grant -1 to hit against attacks targetting the wearer. Fantastic choice, shores up our resilience to great levels nicely. We like this item a lot, especially since we don't do mundane heavy armor. Combos well with Fencer's Blades to make a Saurus character seriously hard to hit, on top of being tough as nails.		* ''Glittering Scales:'' 25pts light armor that grant -1 to hit against attacks targetting the wearer. Fantastic choice, shores up our resilience to great levels nicely. We like this item a lot, especially since we don't do mundane heavy armor. Combos well with Fencer's Blades to make a Saurus character seriously hard to hit, on top of being tough as nails.
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	* ''Featherfoe Torc:'' 35pts to make flying creatures and their riders re-roll successful to hit rolls against the wearer and his unit. Too expensive for what it does, especially since our Saurus are facing harsh to-hit math. Maybe if you know you're going up against birdspam, a Skink could caddy it.		* ''Featherfoe Torc:'' 35pts to make flying creatures and their riders re-roll successful to hit rolls against the wearer and his unit. Too expensive for what it does, especially since our Saurus are facing harsh to-hit math. Maybe if you know you're going up against birdspam, a Skink could caddy it.

	* ''Ironcurse Icon:'' If only we had a fatass magnet for every single ~~war machine~~ the opponent owns. Needless to say, if your Slann has the points after buying whatever else you want, take this. Might also be worth it on a Carnosaur mounted character, though they may have actual competition for the slot. Do note that this doesn't stack with the protection from an Engine of the Gods Stegadon.		* ''Ironcurse Icon:'' 5pts for a 6+ ward save versus warmachine attacks for the bearer and his unit. If only we had a fatass magnet for every single warmachine the opponent owns. Needless to say, if your Slann has the points after buying whatever else you want, take this. Might also be worth it on a Carnosaur mounted character, though they may have actual competition for the slot. Do note that this doesn't stack with the protection from an Engine of the Gods Stegadon. A Skink Chief or Priest can also carry it for a unit, though this isn't worth a whole Skink caddy by itself.

	* ''The Other Trickster's Shard'' 15pts for forcing enemies in base contact with the bearer to re-roll successful ward saves. Yes. You want this. This is how your Saurus cowboy kills characters with layered defenses. Take it.		* ''The Other Trickster's Shard'' 15pts for forcing enemies in base contact with the bearer to re-roll successful ward saves. Yes. You want this. This is how your Saurus cowboy kills characters with layered defenses. Take it.
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	* ''Talisman of Protection'': 15 points for 6+ Ward Save. Again usually outclassed by its armor equivalent for us, though the price point means it's easily layered with other armors. Not super dramatic, but fits easily on a load out, and can definitely make the difference between your Scar Veteran successfully killing something or dying trying.		* ''Talisman of Protection'': 15 points for 6+ Ward Save. Again usually outclassed by its armor equivalent for us, though the price point means it's easily layered with other armors. Not super dramatic, but fits easily on a load out, and can definitely make the difference between your Scar Veteran successfully killing something or dying trying.

	* ''Seed of Rebirth:''* Your Slann or is already ground zero for many of your opponent's Flaming attacks, so, avoid giving this to him. Otherwise, actually a bit better than it usually is for the same reason, almost nobody will bother hitting that Skink Priest over there with their Flaming hits as long as Papa Toad and that Carnosaur over there are still on their feet. Keep track of where your opponent's ~~Banner of Eternal Flame is~~, though.		* ''Seed of Rebirth:''* 10pts for 6+ Regen save. Your Slann or is already ground zero for many of your opponent's Flaming attacks, so, avoid giving this to him. Otherwise, actually a bit better than it usually is for the same reason, almost nobody will bother hitting that Skink Priest over there with their Flaming hits as long as Papa Toad and that Carnosaur over there are still on their feet. Keep track of where your opponent's fire attacks are, though.

	* ''Obsidian Lodestone:'' 45pts for Magic Resistance(3). A Slann wastes a point of it, but still provides maximum protection to his Temple Guard, which can be worth it. Too expensive for a Saurus, but can be caddied by a Skink.		* ''Obsidian Lodestone:'' 45pts for Magic Resistance(3). A Slann wastes a point of it, but still provides maximum protection to his Temple Guard, which can be worth it. Too expensive for a Saurus, but can be caddied by a Skink.