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	** ''Trolling:'' Scouts and either Strider, Swiftstride or Stubborn. Not a great choice, but really lulzy (SCOUTING OGRES), especially against Dwarfs and armies that thrive on units with lots of ranged weapons and war machines.		** ''Trolling:'' Scouts and either Strider, Swiftstride or Stubborn. Not a great choice, but really lulzy (SCOUTING OGRES), especially against Dwarfs and armies that thrive on units with lots of ranged weapons and war machines.
	** ''Bland:'' Stubborn and either Strider or Swiftstride. The best overall and therefore blandest choice but not a bad one. Swiftstride has some nice synergy with the Ogre Charge rule.		** ''Bland:'' Stubborn and either Strider or Swiftstride. The best overall and therefore blandest choice but not a bad one. Swiftstride has some nice synergy with the Ogre Charge rule.
	* '''Sabertusk Pack:''' These little kitties are absolutely fantastic. They have 2 wounds, 3 attacks and M8 at 21 points a pop. Their pathetic LD4 means that if they even have to take the tiniest LD test, they're running for the hills, and the only way to boost it is to send a Hunter with them (which you should never do). On the other hand they can be taken in units of 1, (which is how they should always be taken to prevent normal panic checks). Three units of 1 can perform a myriad of tasks such as: wizard/character assassination (as long as they are lower toughness and lightly armored) war machine hunting, charging fleeing units, redirecting/flee baiting, hatred/frenzied unit baiting (having to overrun can be a bitch), general annoyance(causing march tests) etc. etc. Use them ruthlessly.		* '''Sabertusk Pack:''' These little kitties are absolutely fantastic. They have 2 wounds, 3 attacks and M8 at 21 points a pop. Their pathetic LD4 means that if they even have to take the tiniest LD test, they're running for the hills, and the only way to boost it is to send a Hunter with them (which you should never do). On the other hand they can be taken in units of 1, (which is how they should always be taken to prevent normal panic checks). Three units of 1 can perform a myriad of tasks such as: wizard/character assassination (as long as they are lower toughness and lightly armored) war machine hunting, charging fleeing units, redirecting/flee baiting, hatred/frenzied unit baiting (having to overrun can be a bitch), general annoyance(causing march tests) etc. etc. Use them ruthlessly. Just be aware that unlike gnoblars, these guys being destroyed '''will''' cause your other units to panic. So you want to avoid placing them between units ready to fling them out in front, because if your opponent gets the first turn and snipes the cats, you're setting yourself up for a bad time.
	* '''Yhetees:''' What a disappointment. They cost 1 point more than an Irongut or Leadbelcher and make up for it by being much worse. No impact hits, no save, T4 and flammable means that these guys go down faster than almost any other unit in the Ogre Kingdoms army. They have slightly higher Initiative than most units, but it doesn't mean a lot. They used to have enemy units be -1 to hit them, but now they're -1 WS, which on a WS3 unit is not the same thing at all. They're only really useful against Vampire Counts, when you know you're going to be facing a lot of Spirit Enemies, but other than that they're not particularly useful (and even a Firebelly could probably do that just as well while covering other bases as well). Do note that if an enemy unit fails their fear check the -1WS (which is not limited to the usual minimum of 1 rule) means they cannot attack the Yhetees and the Yhetees hit automatically. Be sure to remember that when playing against Vampire Counts, since zombies have WS 1 standard, though they should be used to threaten flanks and hunt low Ld units (if you don't pass on them, which in a competitive list you should). If you are taking them, at least try to give them Regeneration, at least then they'll be able to cause quite a bit of damage and maybe earn their points back.		* '''Yhetees:''' What a disappointment. They cost 1 point more than an Irongut or Leadbelcher and make up for it by being much worse. No impact hits, no save, T4 and flammable means that these guys go down faster than almost any other unit in the Ogre Kingdoms army. They have slightly higher Initiative than most units, but it doesn't mean a lot. They used to have enemy units be -1 to hit them, but now they're -1 WS, which on a WS3 unit is not the same thing at all. They're only really useful against Vampire Counts, when you know you're going to be facing a lot of Spirit Enemies, but other than that they're not particularly useful (and even a Firebelly could probably do that just as well while covering other bases as well). Do note that if an enemy unit fails their fear check the -1WS (which is not limited to the usual minimum of 1 rule) means they cannot attack the Yhetees and the Yhetees hit automatically. Be sure to remember that when playing against Vampire Counts, since zombies have WS 1 standard, though they should be used to threaten flanks and hunt low Ld units (if you don't pass on them, which in a competitive list you should). If you are taking them, at least try to give them Regeneration, at least then they'll be able to cause quite a bit of damage and maybe earn their points back.
	* '''Mournfang Cavalry:''' These are what Chaos Knights have nightmares about. With 3 S4 and 4 S5 attacks each, plus d3 S5 impact hits and a S5 stomp PER MODEL, these guys can devastate entire units on their own. Give them Heavy Armor and Ironfists and watch everything your opponent has and more just bounce off them. Give them great weapons and see them DESTROY pretty much everything. Definitely worth an investment, just keep them away from Cannons and everything else that ignores armour (and make sure to guard your flanks!).		* '''Mournfang Cavalry:''' These are what Chaos Knights have nightmares about. With 3 S4 and 4 S5 attacks each, plus d3 S5 impact hits and a S5 stomp PER MODEL, these guys can devastate entire units on their own. Give them Heavy Armor and Ironfists and watch everything your opponent has and more just bounce off them. Give them great weapons and see them DESTROY pretty much everything. Definitely worth an investment, just keep them away from Cannons and everything else that ignores armour (and make sure to guard your flanks!).

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	And remember, their major weak points are mainly getting swarmed with smaller units, as well as ranged siege battles (a dwarf gunline will give you a rough time for example), and wizards can hamper your units quite a bit. Ogres play in the same way like Beastmen, better in close combat than ranged combat. Leadbelchers are your primary exception, as well as your Ironblaster cannon, Thus use them wisely and carefully.		And remember, their major weak points are mainly getting swarmed with smaller units, as well as ranged siege battles (a dwarf gunline will give you a rough time for example), and wizards can hamper your units quite a bit. Ogres play in the same way like Beastmen, better in close combat than ranged combat. Leadbelchers are your primary exception, as well as your Ironblaster cannon, Thus use them wisely and carefully.

			==Army Rules==

			*'''Ogre Charge:''' A model with this special rule has Impact Hits (1). Furthermore, if a 10 or more is rolled for the charge distance, it inflicts Impact Hits (D3). Last but not least, the rank bonus is added to the strength of the impact hits. It shouldn't be necessary to state how incredibly awesome this special rule is.

			*'''Ironfists:''' A rather long rule for what is basically a shield which can be used to make parry saves even when mounted, which is good news for Mournfang Cavalry and Hunters on Stonehorn, as these are the only units benefitting from it.

			*'''Look-Out Gnoblars:''' Characters in a unit with Look-Out Gnoblar benefit from "Look Out Sir!" as long as there are three rank and file models (including standard bearer and musician) of the same troop type in the unit, not the usual five. Can be taken by Ogre Bulls, Ironguts, Maneaters and the BSB.

	==Unit Analysis==		==Unit Analysis==
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	===Core Units===		===Core Units===
	* '''Ogres:''' The core of any Ogre Kingdoms army, and well worth the points spent on them. In smaller points games, take a unit of 5 and stick a hero/lord (usually a Butcher/Slaughtermaster) in them to make the most out of them (and to make sure you get an extra rank). In a bigger game, take a unit of 17 and throw a BSB/Slaughtermaster in there to take them in Horde Formation. A unit of 17 with Full Command and Ironfists costs 574 points and can run roughshod over the enemy's line all on its own. Watch your opponent quiver when you tell him that your horde gets a total of 52 attacks, not including Stomp, Impact hits, and whatever your hero has. A great choice no matter what. if someone says "Bull" they're talking about these fuckers.		* '''Ogres:''' The core of any Ogre Kingdoms army, and well worth the points spent on them. In smaller points games, take a unit of 5 and stick a hero/lord (usually a Butcher/Slaughtermaster) in them to make the most out of them (and to make sure you get an extra rank). In a bigger game, take a unit of 17 and throw a BSB/Slaughtermaster in there to take them in Horde Formation. A unit of 17 with Full Command and Ironfists costs 574 points and can run roughshod over the enemy's line all on its own. Watch your opponent quiver when you tell him that your horde gets a total of 52 attacks, not including Stomp, Impact hits (which could be up to 6xD3 S6 hits), and whatever your hero has. A great choice no matter what. if someone says "Bull" they're talking about these fuckers.
	* '''Ironguts:''' 13 points more than an Ogre for 1 higher LD, 1 higher Armor (which the Ogres can achieve with Ironfists, and get a parry save in the deal too), Great Weapons and the option to take a Magic Standard. Unfortunately since Heavy Cavalry fell out of favor in 8th Edition, their primary job as Heavy Cavalry hunters is somewhat neutered. Still, units of 6 are great at charging small to mid-sized infantry units (especially if they're heavily armored) and make most large monsters piss themselves, it's not unheard of for units of 6 to 1-round Terrorgheists if they pass their fear tests. Not as good as Bulls, but still a solid choice and the Magic Standard can do amazing things (Try the Dragonhide Banner).		* '''Ironguts:''' 13 points more than an Ogre for 1 higher LD, 1 higher Armor (which the Ogres can achieve with Ironfists, and get a parry save in the deal too), Great Weapons and the option to take a Magic Standard. Unfortunately since Heavy Cavalry fell out of favor in 8th Edition, their primary job as Heavy Cavalry hunters is somewhat neutered. Still, units of 6 are great at charging small to mid-sized infantry units (especially if they're heavily armored) and make most large monsters piss themselves, it's not unheard of for units of 6 to 1-round Terrorgheists if they pass their fear tests. Not as good as Bulls, but still a solid choice and the Magic Standard can do amazing things (Try the Dragonhide Banner).
	* '''Gnoblars:''' The odd man out in an Ogre Kingdoms army, as you can take a full 10 man unit for less than the cost of a single Ogre. As it stands, they're a good enough mob/counter charge unit and if you can hit the enemy on the flank with them, they do a good job of disrupting. Also, for 25 points more (the cost of 10 Gnoblars) you can take Gnoblar Trappers as an Upgrade. This pretty much prevents ANY enemy unit from wanting to charge them, as it makes the enemy take a dangerous terrain test for each model in the unit and turns them into a brilliant anti-horde unit (chances are they are bound to fail at least ten in a unit of fifty).		* '''Gnoblars:''' The odd man out in an Ogre Kingdoms army, as you can take a full 10 man unit for less than the cost of a single Ogre. As it stands, they're a good enough mob/counter charge unit and if you can hit the enemy on the flank with them, they do a good job of disrupting. Also, for 25 points more (the cost of 10 Gnoblars) you can take Gnoblar Trappers as an Upgrade. This pretty much prevents ANY enemy unit from wanting to charge them, as it makes the enemy take a dangerous terrain test for each model in the unit and turns them into a brilliant anti-horde unit (chances are they are bound to fail at least ten in a unit of fifty).

1d4chan>Jasko: /* Magic Items and Big Names */ more on the Hellheart.

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Magic Items and Big Names: more on the Hellheart.

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	:*''Gut Maw:'' If it was 10-15 points cheaper or worked outside a challenge, it'd be worth it. As is, pass.		:*''Gut Maw:'' If it was 10-15 points cheaper or worked outside a challenge, it'd be worth it. As is, pass.
	:*''Grut's Sickle:'' For 50 points it works surprisingly well on a level 4 Maw caster, with very little effort you can have a +7 to cast on your second spell, besides the wizard only dies on a roll of double 1's.		:*''Grut's Sickle:'' For 50 points it works surprisingly well on a level 4 Maw caster, with very little effort you can have a +7 to cast on your second spell, besides the wizard only dies on a roll of double 1's.
	:*''Hellheart:'' FUCK. YES. Do not leave home without it. This is the best goddamn item in the entire Ogre Kingdoms list and one of the best ways to defend against enemy wizards.		:*''Hellheart:'' FUCK. YES. An interesting one-use item capable of doing anything between nothing and you-just-won-the-game. You can use it after rolling for the winds of magic in your opponent's magic phase and force every enemy wizard in D6x5" to roll on the miscast table. There is the first caveat, you need to be close. Wizards can also use whatever means they have to counter the effects (Throne of Vines, Teclis, Slann etc.) and it's actually not that probable that a wizard outright dies from a miscast. Still, if enough wizards are in range, you can do some serious damage and, at the very least, shut down this magic phase, as it is likely that your opponent will lose power dice or be unable to cast, whereas you get a free dispel dice for any roll that was made on the miscast table. Do not leave home without it. This is the best goddamn item in the entire Ogre Kingdoms list and one of the best ways to defend against enemy wizards.
	:*''Rock Eye:'' Kind of limited in usefulness, especially in casual play where everyone discloses their magic items. But it is 5 points, and finding out an Assassin is in that unit you're about to go crush is worth it. Also useful if you can see which unit is running the Eternal Flame Banner before you try and Trollgut the unit nearest them.		:*''Rock Eye:'' Kind of limited in usefulness, especially in casual play where everyone discloses their magic items. But it is 5 points, and finding out an Assassin is in that unit you're about to go crush is worth it. Also useful if you can see which unit is running the Eternal Flame Banner before you try and Trollgut the unit nearest them.
	:*''Rune Maw:'' Just shy of being worth it for general use. Maybe if you could auto-force it onto Gnoblars or something, or if it worked against regular shooting. It can still be worth it if you want to run a deathstar, true it can't help you with Purple Sun but it can really save you against spells like Dwellers or Final Transmutation which can easily kill 1/3'rd of your unit or by ensuring that you avoid debuffs in a crucial combat. It has also been FAQ'd to only effect enemy spells so you can keep buffing your unit.		:*''Rune Maw:'' Just shy of being worth it for general use. Maybe if you could auto-force it onto Gnoblars or something, or if it worked against regular shooting. It can still be worth it if you want to run a deathstar, true it can't help you with Purple Sun but it can really save you against spells like Dwellers or Final Transmutation which can easily kill 1/3'rd of your unit or by ensuring that you avoid debuffs in a crucial combat. It has also been FAQ'd to only effect enemy spells so you can keep buffing your unit.

1d4chan>Jasko: /* Magic Items and Big Names */ I have no idea what that was supposed to mean, there is no risk to using the Hellheart

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Magic Items and Big Names: I have no idea what that was supposed to mean, there is no risk to using the Hellheart

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	:*''Gut Maw:'' If it was 10-15 points cheaper or worked outside a challenge, it'd be worth it. As is, pass.		:*''Gut Maw:'' If it was 10-15 points cheaper or worked outside a challenge, it'd be worth it. As is, pass.
	:*''Grut's Sickle:'' For 50 points it works surprisingly well on a level 4 Maw caster, with very little effort you can have a +7 to cast on your second spell, besides the wizard only dies on a roll of double 1's.		:*''Grut's Sickle:'' For 50 points it works surprisingly well on a level 4 Maw caster, with very little effort you can have a +7 to cast on your second spell, besides the wizard only dies on a roll of double 1's.
	:*''Hellheart:'' FUCK. YES. Do not leave home without it. This is the best goddamn item in the entire Ogre Kingdoms list and one of the best ways to defend against enemy wizards~~. Sure you could occasionally roll that 1, but the rest of the time...holy shit~~.		:*''Hellheart:'' FUCK. YES. Do not leave home without it. This is the best goddamn item in the entire Ogre Kingdoms list and one of the best ways to defend against enemy wizards.
	:*''Rock Eye:'' Kind of limited in usefulness, especially in casual play where everyone discloses their magic items. But it is 5 points, and finding out an Assassin is in that unit you're about to go crush is worth it. Also useful if you can see which unit is running the Eternal Flame Banner before you try and Trollgut the unit nearest them.		:*''Rock Eye:'' Kind of limited in usefulness, especially in casual play where everyone discloses their magic items. But it is 5 points, and finding out an Assassin is in that unit you're about to go crush is worth it. Also useful if you can see which unit is running the Eternal Flame Banner before you try and Trollgut the unit nearest them.
	:*''Rune Maw:'' Just shy of being worth it for general use. Maybe if you could auto-force it onto Gnoblars or something, or if it worked against regular shooting. It can still be worth it if you want to run a deathstar, true it can't help you with Purple Sun but it can really save you against spells like Dwellers or Final Transmutation which can easily kill 1/3'rd of your unit or by ensuring that you avoid debuffs in a crucial combat. It has also been FAQ'd to only effect enemy spells so you can keep buffing your unit.		:*''Rune Maw:'' Just shy of being worth it for general use. Maybe if you could auto-force it onto Gnoblars or something, or if it worked against regular shooting. It can still be worth it if you want to run a deathstar, true it can't help you with Purple Sun but it can really save you against spells like Dwellers or Final Transmutation which can easily kill 1/3'rd of your unit or by ensuring that you avoid debuffs in a crucial combat. It has also been FAQ'd to only effect enemy spells so you can keep buffing your unit.

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Magic Items and Big Names

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	:*''Mountaineater:'' The list of things that can wound a Tyrant on a 2+ are very limited and if you think he's going to find himself facing one of those alone, you're better off finding him a ward save.		:*''Mountaineater:'' The list of things that can wound a Tyrant on a 2+ are very limited and if you think he's going to find himself facing one of those alone, you're better off finding him a ward save.
	:*''Giantbreaker:'' Costs 5pts more than the Sword of Might but is much better, since it increases your base-strength by +1 and not only your close combat hits, so it also affects impact hits, stomps as well as characteristic tests and it cannot be broken by spells and the like. Also, if you want to go with +1 Strength and a magic weapon, this is the way to go. For lulz, combine it with the sword of might for an expensive Great Weapon that doesn't strike last (AKA an expensive Ogre Blade that has to accept challenges). Combine it with a Great Weapon and you have a Strength 8 Bruiser! Great against heavy cavalry (not that you see many of those that S6 wouldn't deal with anyway).		:*''Giantbreaker:'' Costs 5pts more than the Sword of Might but is much better, since it increases your base-strength by +1 and not only your close combat hits, so it also affects impact hits, stomps as well as characteristic tests and it cannot be broken by spells and the like. Also, if you want to go with +1 Strength and a magic weapon, this is the way to go. For lulz, combine it with the sword of might for an expensive Great Weapon that doesn't strike last (AKA an expensive Ogre Blade that has to accept challenges). Combine it with a Great Weapon and you have a Strength 8 Bruiser! Great against heavy cavalry (not that you see many of those that S6 wouldn't deal with anyway).
	:*''Deathcheater:'' Would be more useful if you could force him to reroll after he'd already rolled to wound. As with Mountaineater, you'd be better off finding a ward save.		:*''Deathcheater:'' Would be more useful if you could force him to reroll after he'd already rolled to wound. As with Mountaineater, you'd be better off finding a ward save. Not a bad choice for a BSB with magic banner though.
	:*''Longstrider:'' Good for a Hunter who wants to run with his Sabertusks or maybe a Bruiser who wants to hang out with Yhetees. This means you'll likely never take it as both of those are bad ideas.		:*''Longstrider:'' Good for a Hunter who wants to run with his Sabertusks or maybe a Bruiser who wants to hang out with Yhetees. This means you'll likely never take it as both of those are bad ideas.
	:*''Beastkiller:'' Not really worth your time as not every army has a large target that they run regularly. Maybe if your opponent keeps running a Star Dragon and he's pissing you off, but then you should just dump the Hunter for another Ironblaster or a Giant.		:*''Beastkiller:'' Not really worth your time as not every army has a large target that they run regularly. Maybe if your opponent keeps running a Star Dragon and he's pissing you off, but then you should just dump the Hunter for another Ironblaster or a Giant.

1d4chan>Jasko: /* Magic Items and Big Names */ Dragonhide banner update

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Magic Items and Big Names: Dragonhide banner update

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	:*''Rock Eye:'' Kind of limited in usefulness, especially in casual play where everyone discloses their magic items. But it is 5 points, and finding out an Assassin is in that unit you're about to go crush is worth it. Also useful if you can see which unit is running the Eternal Flame Banner before you try and Trollgut the unit nearest them.		:*''Rock Eye:'' Kind of limited in usefulness, especially in casual play where everyone discloses their magic items. But it is 5 points, and finding out an Assassin is in that unit you're about to go crush is worth it. Also useful if you can see which unit is running the Eternal Flame Banner before you try and Trollgut the unit nearest them.
	:*''Rune Maw:'' Just shy of being worth it for general use. Maybe if you could auto-force it onto Gnoblars or something, or if it worked against regular shooting. It can still be worth it if you want to run a deathstar, true it can't help you with Purple Sun but it can really save you against spells like Dwellers or Final Transmutation which can easily kill 1/3'rd of your unit or by ensuring that you avoid debuffs in a crucial combat. It has also been FAQ'd to only effect enemy spells so you can keep buffing your unit.		:*''Rune Maw:'' Just shy of being worth it for general use. Maybe if you could auto-force it onto Gnoblars or something, or if it worked against regular shooting. It can still be worth it if you want to run a deathstar, true it can't help you with Purple Sun but it can really save you against spells like Dwellers or Final Transmutation which can easily kill 1/3'rd of your unit or by ensuring that you avoid debuffs in a crucial combat. It has also been FAQ'd to only effect enemy spells so you can keep buffing your unit.
	:*''Dragonhide Banner:'' This one can be really fun. ~~A breath weapon attack can turn combat~~ all ~~on it's own, and the forced ASL and rerolling~~ 1's ~~is just the icing on the cake. Should be taken on a High Initiative (~~for ~~the army) guy~~ to ~~maximize it's effectiveness~~, ~~such as~~ a ~~Bruiser~~. Works wonders with Mournfangs ~~too~~, lets them re-roll ~~missed armour saves~~, ~~missed stomps and~~ impact hits and ~~the Mournfang attacks themselves~~ all of which (if you pointed them at the correct target) should be 2's or 3's anyways.		:*''Dragonhide Banner:'' This one can be really fun. Allows a unit to re-roll all 1's for to-hit, to-wound and armour save rolls on a successful charge. Works wonders with Mournfangs, as it lets them re-roll the Mournfang attacks, impact hits and stomps as well, all of which (if you pointed them at the correct target) should be 2's or 3's anyways. As icing on the cake, it also includes a breath weapon attack, which can turn combat all on it's own. Additionally, units hit by the breath weapon get ASL until the end of their next turn, which sounds great but in reality is barely useful. Your opponent will have already attacked when you use it at I2 in close combat (unless you're facing Saurus Warriors, or Dwarfs/Ogres if you put it on your I3 BSB Bruiser), if anything you might deter a unit from charging you in their next turn.

	===Magic===		===Magic===

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	* '''Tyrant:''' Your combat lord. A little overpriced, but can be good if kitted out right. He can be a hard to crack combat lord when given the right equipment, and his 5 S5 attacks can be just the boost you need to win combat. Unfortunately he's competing for Lord Points with Slaughtermaster, which has MUCH more bang for your buck, especially since you no longer need to take a Tyrant to take Slaughtermaster. Can be useful in larger points games, but a fully kitted out lord costs over 300 points, so be careful not to waste him by throwing him into fights he can't win (no matter what the fluff tells you, a Tyrant cannot deal with a Bloodthirster alone).		* '''Tyrant:''' Your combat lord. A little overpriced, but can be good if kitted out right. He can be a hard to crack combat lord when given the right equipment, and his 5 S5 attacks can be just the boost you need to win combat. Unfortunately he's competing for Lord Points with Slaughtermaster, which has MUCH more bang for your buck, especially since you no longer need to take a Tyrant to take Slaughtermaster. Can be useful in larger points games, but a fully kitted out lord costs over 300 points, so be careful not to waste him by throwing him into fights he can't win (no matter what the fluff tells you, a Tyrant cannot deal with a Bloodthirster alone).
	* '''Slaughtermaster:''' Oh big daddy YES. Your lord level wizard, and he's quite capable of defending himself if the enemy reaches (he's not as tough as a tyrant, but he's got a better stat line than a number of dedicated fighting lords). The Lore of the Great Maw is a fantastic lore, especially for a tightly packed line and the Lore Attribute means that these guys can sit there and heal themselves over and over (while getting a 5+ total boost). A single one of these can be all you need to turn the game, especially in a 2K game. Also never put the Hellheart on this guy, its a defensive magic item so put it on a Hero caster. Keep in mind it's technically allowed for you to take Magic Armour, due to the fact that they can take Ironfists. This is confirmed in the FAQ, but discouraged (do it anyway). Give him Grut's Sickle and the Armour of Destiny, or Fencer's Blades and the Glittering Scales (to make him only be hit on a 6+ by most troops). Kitted up right this guy can take the same beating that would destroy a small unit and walk away barely scathed, even before we consider he can cast Regeneration on himself, ~~making~~ him ~~even harder~~ to ~~kill~~.		* '''Slaughtermaster:''' Oh big daddy YES. Your lord level wizard, and he's quite capable of defending himself if the enemy reaches (he's not as tough as a tyrant, but he's got a better stat line than a number of dedicated fighting lords). The Lore of the Great Maw is a fantastic lore, especially for a tightly packed line and the Lore Attribute means that these guys can sit there and heal themselves over and over (while getting a 5+ total boost). A single one of these can be all you need to turn the game, especially in a 2K game. Also never put the Hellheart on this guy, its a defensive magic item so put it on a Hero caster. Keep in mind it's technically allowed for you to take Magic Armour, due to the fact that they can take Ironfists. This is confirmed in the FAQ, but discouraged (do it anyway). Give him Grut's Sickle and the Armour of Destiny, or Fencer's Blades and the Glittering Scales (to make him only be hit on a 6+ by most troops). Kitted up right this guy can take the same beating that would destroy a small unit and walk away barely scathed, even before we consider he can cast Regeneration on himself, turning him into an absolute rape train with no brakes. Only thing to watch out for is anyone that strike first with a shitload of Strength 5+ attacks.
	** '''NOTE:''' Even though it's not listed in the book, Slaughtermasters can also take a Great Weapon for 10 points. Don't bother, just pony up the points for a magic weapon instead.		** '''NOTE:''' Even though it's not listed in the book, Slaughtermasters can also take a Great Weapon for 10 points. Don't bother, just pony up the points for a magic weapon instead.
	* '''Bruiser:''' The workaday combat hero of the Ogre Kingdoms army. Has a statline more in line with most Lord Choices and only costs 105 points Vanilla. Useful as a beat stick in big units, and a BSB certainly helps in a pinch. Cheap and effective, what more can you ask for?		* '''Bruiser:''' The workaday combat hero of the Ogre Kingdoms army. Has a statline more in line with most Lord Choices and only costs 105 points Vanilla. Useful as a beat stick in big units, and a BSB certainly helps in a pinch. Cheap and effective, what more can you ask for?

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	* '''Tyrant:''' Your combat lord. A little overpriced, but can be good if kitted out right. He can be a hard to crack combat lord when given the right equipment, and his 5 S5 attacks can be just the boost you need to win combat. Unfortunately he's competing for Lord Points with Slaughtermaster, which has MUCH more bang for your buck, especially since you no longer need to take a Tyrant to take Slaughtermaster. Can be useful in larger points games, but a fully kitted out lord costs over 300 points, so be careful not to waste him by throwing him into fights he can't win (no matter what the fluff tells you, a Tyrant cannot deal with a Bloodthirster alone).		* '''Tyrant:''' Your combat lord. A little overpriced, but can be good if kitted out right. He can be a hard to crack combat lord when given the right equipment, and his 5 S5 attacks can be just the boost you need to win combat. Unfortunately he's competing for Lord Points with Slaughtermaster, which has MUCH more bang for your buck, especially since you no longer need to take a Tyrant to take Slaughtermaster. Can be useful in larger points games, but a fully kitted out lord costs over 300 points, so be careful not to waste him by throwing him into fights he can't win (no matter what the fluff tells you, a Tyrant cannot deal with a Bloodthirster alone).
	* '''Slaughtermaster:''' Oh big daddy YES. Your lord level wizard, and he's quite capable of defending himself if the enemy reaches (he's not as tough as a tyrant, but he's got a better stat line than a number of dedicated fighting lords). The Lore of the Great Maw is a fantastic lore, especially for a tightly packed line and the Lore Attribute means that these guys can sit there and heal themselves over and over (while getting a 5+ total boost). A single one of these can be all you need to turn the game, especially in a 2K game. Also never put the Hellheart on this guy, its a defensive magic item so put it on a Hero caster. Keep in mind it's technically allowed for you to take Magic Armour, due to the fact that they can take Ironfists. This is confirmed in the FAQ, but discouraged (do it anyway). Give him Grut's Sickle and the Armour of Destiny, or Fencer's Blades and the Glittering Scales (to make him only be hit on a 6+ by most troops). Kitted up right this guy can take the same beating that would destroy a small unit and walk away barely scathed, even before we consider he can cast Regeneration on himself, ~~turning~~ him ~~into an absolute rape train with no brakes. Only thing~~ to ~~watch out for is anyone that strike first with a shitload of Strength 5+ attacks~~.		* '''Slaughtermaster:''' Oh big daddy YES. Your lord level wizard, and he's quite capable of defending himself if the enemy reaches (he's not as tough as a tyrant, but he's got a better stat line than a number of dedicated fighting lords). The Lore of the Great Maw is a fantastic lore, especially for a tightly packed line and the Lore Attribute means that these guys can sit there and heal themselves over and over (while getting a 5+ total boost). A single one of these can be all you need to turn the game, especially in a 2K game. Also never put the Hellheart on this guy, its a defensive magic item so put it on a Hero caster. Keep in mind it's technically allowed for you to take Magic Armour, due to the fact that they can take Ironfists. This is confirmed in the FAQ, but discouraged (do it anyway). Give him Grut's Sickle and the Armour of Destiny, or Fencer's Blades and the Glittering Scales (to make him only be hit on a 6+ by most troops). Kitted up right this guy can take the same beating that would destroy a small unit and walk away barely scathed, even before we consider he can cast Regeneration on himself, making him even harder to kill.
	** '''NOTE:''' Even though it's not listed in the book, Slaughtermasters can also take a Great Weapon for 10 points. Don't bother, just pony up the points for a magic weapon instead.		** '''NOTE:''' Even though it's not listed in the book, Slaughtermasters can also take a Great Weapon for 10 points. Don't bother, just pony up the points for a magic weapon instead.
	* '''Bruiser:''' The workaday combat hero of the Ogre Kingdoms army. Has a statline more in line with most Lord Choices and only costs 105 points Vanilla. Useful as a beat stick in big units, and a BSB certainly helps in a pinch. Cheap and effective, what more can you ask for?		* '''Bruiser:''' The workaday combat hero of the Ogre Kingdoms army. Has a statline more in line with most Lord Choices and only costs 105 points Vanilla. Useful as a beat stick in big units, and a BSB certainly helps in a pinch. Cheap and effective, what more can you ask for?