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Generic Characters

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	** '''Note:''' Although kitting out a Warlord for close combat is right and proper, don't try to make him a challenge Lord. There's a reason Skaven can run from Challenges without losing LD bonuses, and that's because a Skaven in a Challenge is a Skaven who's a corpse. Even Empire, Bretonian and Wood Elf Lords will stand a good chance of stomping him, and if you're up against a real challenge monster (Ogres, VC, WoC, DE) you might as well remove him. No, kit your Warlord out to kill basic dudes to up your combat res, it's better for him.		** '''Note:''' Although kitting out a Warlord for close combat is right and proper, don't try to make him a challenge Lord. There's a reason Skaven can run from Challenges without losing LD bonuses, and that's because a Skaven in a Challenge is a Skaven who's a corpse. Even Empire, Bretonian and Wood Elf Lords will stand a good chance of stomping him, and if you're up against a real challenge monster (Ogres, VC, WoC, DE) you might as well remove him. No, kit your Warlord out to kill basic dudes to up your combat res, it's better for him.
	*** '''Counternote:''' If kitted out properly, a Warlord can easily reach a 2+ armor save.		*** '''Counternote:''' If kitted out properly, a Warlord can easily reach a 2+ armor save.
			**** '''Counter Counternote:''' a 2+ armor save is shit against a proper challenge lord, and unfortunately you have to dip into magic allowance to get above a 4+.

	* '''Mounts:'''		* '''Mounts:'''

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	* '''Mounts:'''		* '''Mounts:'''
	** '''Rat Ogre Bonebreaker:''' If you're up for modeling it, and you need a mount, this is the one you want. It's got a good statline, lets him push up rank bonuses in whatever unit he joins, runs fairly cheap at 65 points. If it had an armor save, it'd be perfect (but since it is a mount, you actually get it.). As is, it's a fun choice if you're in the mood and easily the best mount option. Just remember, he can't join infantry units outside Clanrats and Stormvermin (what a sacrifice). The warlord riding it also gains get +1 W (and an additional point of T). However, unless he rolls with Rat Ogres (which is sub-optimal due to frenzy) he has no Look Out, Sir!, making him a free kill for bearded buggers.		** '''Rat Ogre Bonebreaker:''' If you're up for modeling it, and you need a mount, this is the one you want. It's got a good statline, lets him push up rank bonuses in whatever unit he joins, runs fairly cheap at 65 points. If it had an armor save, it'd be perfect (but since it is a mount, you actually get it.). As is, it's a fun choice if you're in the mood and easily the best mount option. Just remember, he can't join infantry units outside Clanrats and Stormvermin (what a sacrifice). The warlord riding it also gains get +1 W (and an additional point of T). <strike> However, unless he rolls with Rat Ogres (which is sub-optimal due to frenzy) he has no Look Out, Sir!, making him a free kill for bearded buggers. </strike> Actually, being mounted on a monstrous beast changes his type to monstrous cavalry, while Rat Ogres are monstrous infantry. There is no way, using just the Skaven book, to give a Bonebreaker mounted Warlord a Look Out, Sir! save, unfortunately.
	** '''War-Litter:''' Not as good as the Bonebreaker but..yeah, still good. It's a cheap way of dropping a bunch of attacks on him, and pushing up his armor save. If you really can't spare the 30 extra points for a Bonebreaker and you want a mount, you could go for this one. (alternate take: kit out 3 warlords with this, a ward save, and throw them in a an unit with 6-wide ranks and possibly your BSB. Laugh as you opponent is forced to divide its attacks on very defensive lords, and loses to combat res.) It also counts as infantry, so he gets a Look Out, Sir! in a unit of Stormvermin. It also can look badass. Anyway, there are worse choices liiiiiike...		** '''War-Litter:''' Not as good as the Bonebreaker but..yeah, still good. It's a cheap way of dropping a bunch of attacks on him, and pushing up his armor save. If you really can't spare the 30 extra points for a Bonebreaker and you want a mount, you could go for this one. (alternate take: kit out 3 warlords with this, a ward save, and throw them in a an unit with 6-wide ranks and possibly your BSB. Laugh as you opponent is forced to divide its attacks on very defensive lords, and loses to combat res.) It also counts as infantry, so he gets a Look Out, Sir! in a unit of Stormvermin. It also can look badass. Anyway, there are worse choices liiiiiike...
	** '''Great Pox Rat:''' This. You're paying 30 points for 1 armor save and 2 S4 poisoned attacks. Woo fucking hoo. It doesn't even come with extra movement, and you can't use the Swiftstride ability for cavalry when he's in a unit (and trying to make him run touchdowns on his own is a surefire way to get him killed). If you're committed to him having a mount, drop a Clanrat and give him a War-Litter. Can also be taken as a mount for a Plague Priest, but it's not a good choice for him either.		** '''Great Pox Rat:''' This. You're paying 30 points for 1 armor save and 2 S4 poisoned attacks. Woo fucking hoo. It doesn't even come with extra movement, and you can't use the Swiftstride ability for cavalry when he's in a unit (and trying to make him run touchdowns on his own is a surefire way to get him killed). If you're committed to him having a mount, drop a Clanrat and give him a War-Litter. Can also be taken as a mount for a Plague Priest, but it's not a good choice for him either.

152.13.60.163: /* Skaven Spells of Plague */

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Skaven Spells of Plague

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	*Bless with Filth (7+): gives a target unit poisoned attacks, especially effective on frenzied Plague Monks in CC. The best part is that it can effect units already in combat, so if you need a few more wounds this spell is a solid choice.		*Bless with Filth (7+): gives a target unit poisoned attacks, especially effective on frenzied Plague Monks in CC. The best part is that it can effect units already in combat, so if you need a few more wounds this spell is a solid choice.

	*Wither (8+): oh hell yes! Target unit within 12" gets -1T, I'll let that sink in. You say big whoop? Well hold on I haven't mentioned the best part: it last all game and it STACKS.Get two Plague Priest casting this on a T3 unit in the same turn and they will be wounded on 2+. Insert evil laugh. Remember if a model's toughness reaches 0 it is removed as a casualty.As each spell can only be known once in each army (unless it's the models substitute spell - effectively the signature for that character e.g. warp lightning for warlock engineers)its not possible to have this spell twice but could be cast over two or more turns as it stacks. Now that the end times are rolling out though... this is one of the most broken spells in the bloody game.unit of nurgle chaos warriors being a pain? Cast this baby 4 times on them and BOOM they're gone.		*Wither (8+): oh hell yes! Target unit within 12" gets -1T, I'll let that sink in. You say big whoop? Well hold on I haven't mentioned the best part: it last all game and it STACKS.Get two Plague Priest casting this on a T3 unit in the same turn and they will be wounded on 2+. Insert evil laugh. Remember if a model's toughness reaches 0 it is removed as a casualty.As each spell can only be known once in each army (unless it's the models substitute spell - effectively the signature for that character e.g. warp lightning for warlock engineers)its not possible to have this spell twice but could be cast over two or more turns as it stacks (not if you only have 1 wizard with the spell; one wizard cannot have multiples of the same "remains in play" spell active at the same time). Now that the end times are rolling out though... this is one of the most broken spells in the bloody game.unit of nurgle chaos warriors being a pain? Cast this baby 4 times on them and BOOM they're gone.

	*Vermintide (8+): ''Cracks Call lite'' It's effective and hits a lot more models but is restricted by impassable terrain and water. Causes 3D6 S2 to any unit caught under the template (which has a 4D6 range) so combined with a couple of withers from the turn before it can be quite catastrophic.		*Vermintide (8+): ''Cracks Call lite'' It's effective and hits a lot more models but is restricted by impassable terrain and water. Causes 3D6 S2 to any unit caught under the template (which has a 4D6 range) so combined with a couple of withers from the turn before it can be quite catastrophic.

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	* '''Wolf Rats (Forge World):''' These things used to be core in the old Hell Pit list, but have since been added as a Scroll of Binding for Storm of Magic games, so what slot they occupy is going to be up to whomever you are playing with. They're 16 points a piece for a War Beast that moves 8 inches and has Swiftstride. They get Always Strikes First on the turn they charge and have 2 attacks base. They also gets +1 Impact Hits for each rank they have. There are also three upgrades available, ranging from Poisoned Attacks to Armour Piercing and Warpstone Weapon to +1 Toughness (bringing them up to 4) at a cost of -1 Initiative (they are Initiative 5 base). Whether these guys are worth it or not depends on what slot they occupy; at rare they certainly aren't, but in core or special they aren't a bad choice.		* '''Wolf Rats (Forge World):''' These things used to be core in the old Hell Pit list, but have since been added as a Scroll of Binding for Storm of Magic games, so what slot they occupy is going to be up to whomever you are playing with. They're 16 points a piece for a War Beast that moves 8 inches and has Swiftstride. They get Always Strikes First on the turn they charge and have 2 attacks base. They also gets +1 Impact Hits for each rank they have. There are also three upgrades available, ranging from Poisoned Attacks to Armour Piercing and Warpstone Weapon to +1 Toughness (bringing them up to 4) at a cost of -1 Initiative (they are Initiative 5 base). Whether these guys are worth it or not depends on what slot they occupy; at rare they certainly aren't, but in core or special they aren't a bad choice.

			===Battlescrolls===

			Thanquol's Uprising: A formation using Thanquol (duh), Skreetch Verminking, a coven of warlock engineers, 1 unit of storm fiends, 1 unit of clarets, 1 unit of gutter runners, 1 unit of giant rats, and 3 rat swarms. It becomes a core formation so you do not have to spend the min 25% on core, and any unit from the formation (excluding skreech) has the unbreakable special rule if within 6" of thanquol. Overall an excellent (but pricy) formation.

			First Clawpack of Clan Mors:

	==Building Your Army==		==Building Your Army==

194.36.110.102: /* Skaven Spells of Plague */

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Skaven Spells of Plague

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	*Cloud of Corruption (11+): kind of a mixed bag. You roll a dice for each unit within 12": on a 2+ (enemy unit), 4+ (friendly unit) or 5+ (Clan Pestilens) that unit takes D6 S5 hits with no armour saves allowed. Not bad if you have no friendly units nearby but will probably bite you in the butt if you cast it at the wrong moment.		*Cloud of Corruption (11+): kind of a mixed bag. You roll a dice for each unit within 12": on a 2+ (enemy unit), 4+ (friendly unit) or 5+ (Clan Pestilens) that unit takes D6 S5 hits with no armour saves allowed. Not bad if you have no friendly units nearby but will probably bite you in the butt if you cast it at the wrong moment.

	Plague (13+): neat and quite potentially hilarious. Units within 18" must take a Toughness test per model: if failed, model ~~looses~~ 1W. If cast on a unit in CC it affects all units involved. After that roll a D6, if you roll a 1 your opponent gets to pick one of your units to infect. '''FUN'''		Plague (13+): neat and quite potentially hilarious. Units within 18" must take a Toughness test per model: if failed, model loses 1W. If cast on a unit in CC it affects all units involved. After that roll a D6, if you roll a 1 your opponent gets to pick one of your units to infect. '''FUN'''

	====The Dreaded Thirteenth Spell (25+)====		====The Dreaded Thirteenth Spell (25+)====

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	* '''Night Runners:''' Decent skirmishing infantry/harassers. Their scout move allows you to set them up as charge blockers but other than that; expect them to die rather quickly. As far as choosing them above slave or clanrats is up to you. They can also chose a Warp-Grinder, so you could go warmachine hunting/ rearcharging with these guys. Shame their models look like deranged chimps. However, if you want a shooting unit, Gutter Runners are notably better.		* '''Night Runners:''' Decent skirmishing infantry/harassers. Their scout move allows you to set them up as charge blockers but other than that; expect them to die rather quickly. As far as choosing them above slave or clanrats is up to you. They can also chose a Warp-Grinder, so you could go warmachine hunting/ rearcharging with these guys. Shame their models look like deranged chimps. However, if you want a shooting unit, Gutter Runners are notably better.

	* '''Giant Rats:''' Make a very nice tarpit but Slaves are cheaper and do it better. If ~~your~~ looking for cheaper ways to get giant rats than the Rat Ogre/Giant Rat box set; there are about 12 rats in the doomwheel kit, the plague monk kit and several more in the screaming bell set as well. They are great to throw on those big bases but you can easily build up a nice pack of rats while you're collecting on the side.		* '''Giant Rats:''' Make a very nice tarpit but Slaves are cheaper and do it better. If you're looking for cheaper ways to get giant rats than the Rat Ogre/Giant Rat box set; there are about 12 rats in the doomwheel kit, the plague monk kit and several more in the screaming bell set as well. They are great to throw on those big bases but you can easily build up a nice pack of rats while you're collecting on the side.

	* '''Rat Swarms:''' It's a Swarm, usual rules apply. Don't discount the swarm, even groups of three or four are useful in tying down a unit long enough to get those valuable flank charges. Less experienced players are even likely to flee instead of allowing a rat swarm tie them down in combat! Str 2 is far from great, but they aren't there to kill stuff, they're there to distract and detract. Skavenslaves are arguably more efficient though.		* '''Rat Swarms:''' It's a Swarm, usual rules apply. Don't discount the swarm, even groups of three or four are useful in tying down a unit long enough to get those valuable flank charges. Less experienced players are even likely to flee instead of allowing a rat swarm tie them down in combat! Str 2 is far from great, but they aren't there to kill stuff, they're there to distract and detract. Skavenslaves are arguably more efficient though.

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Magic Weapons

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	====Magic Weapons====		====Magic Weapons====

	*The Fellblade: feel like maxing out your magic item allowance on one weapon? You sure? Really? Ok. This is the one for you. Makes you S10, each wound caused rolls another D6 wounds, and successful ward saves must be rerolled. Ya. It's awesome but it's up to you if you're willing to drop the points on it. Only real use for it is if you're facing nothing but ogres...or hydras...the bastards...		*The Fellblade: feel like maxing out your magic item allowance on one weapon? You sure? Really? Ok. This is the one for you. Makes you S10, each wound caused rolls another D6 wounds, and successful ward saves must be rerolled. Ya. It's awesome but it's up to you if you're willing to drop the points on it. Also, you roll a d6 every turn, on a 1 or 2 the bearer loses a wound with no armour save allowed. Only real use for it is if you're facing nothing but ogres...or hydras...the bastards...

	*Warpforged Blade: ignores armor so its ideal against armies that run heavy armor all the time. Expensive but useful.		*Warpforged Blade: ignores armor so its ideal against armies that run heavy armor all the time. Expensive but useful.

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Rare Units

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	* '''Plagueclaw Catapult:''' Decent but generally outshined by the Warp Lightning Cannon. S2 hits with no armor saves allowed is a decent pie plate to throw onto a large horde of (insert tarpit here). Also causes a panic test on unsaved wounds. Take if you want a clan pestilens themed army otherwise not a must have.		* '''Plagueclaw Catapult:''' Decent but generally outshined by the Warp Lightning Cannon. S2 hits with no armor saves allowed is a decent pie plate to throw onto a large horde of (insert tarpit here). Also causes a panic test on unsaved wounds. Take if you want a clan pestilens themed army otherwise not a must have.

	* '''Stormfiends:''' A new unit intoduced in the End Times, Stormfiends are to Rat Ogres what ~~Ikit Claw is~~ to ~~a Skavenslave~~. They're Monstrous Infantry, they cost 85 points each, and you need at least three of them to make a unit. For that, you get an M6 WS4 BS3 S5 T4 W4 I5 A4 LD7 flock of killers. Each model is armed seperately with one of six weapon choices, which has certain effects on their rules depending on what you choose. You don't have to kit out each model in the unit with the same gear as his buddies, so long as you can remember what each model is actually carrying and are okay with the potential hassle of mixed armor saves in a single unit. By default, they wear Light Armor, they cause Fear, they're Skirmishers and they're Big And bulky (cannot use Fire on the March and Light Troops rules). They also have the unique special rule Double The Death, which means they re-roll all failed To Wound rolls with their weapons, though when that re-roll applies depends on what they're using (melee for melee weapons, shooting for guns, obviously). Taking Doom-flayer Gauntlets or Shock Gauntlets upgrades them to having Warpstone Laced Armor, which gives them a 4+ save.		* '''Stormfiends:''' A new unit intoduced in the End Times, Stormfiends are to Rat Ogres what Stormvermin are to regular Clanrats. They're Monstrous Infantry, they cost 85 points each, and you need at least three of them to make a unit. For that, you get an M6 WS4 BS3 S5 T4 W4 I5 A4 LD7 flock of killers. Each model is armed seperately with one of six weapon choices, which has certain effects on their rules depending on what you choose. You don't have to kit out each model in the unit with the same gear as his buddies, so long as you can remember what each model is actually carrying and are okay with the potential hassle of mixed armor saves in a single unit. By default, they wear Light Armor, they cause Fear, they're Skirmishers and they're Big And bulky (cannot use Fire on the March and Light Troops rules). They also have the unique special rule Double The Death, which means they re-roll all failed To Wound rolls with their weapons, though when that re-roll applies depends on what they're using (melee for melee weapons, shooting for guns, obviously). Taking Doom-flayer Gauntlets or Shock Gauntlets upgrades them to having Warpstone Laced Armor, which gives them a 4+ save.
	** Doom-flayer Gauntlets: Your Stormfiend hits at +2 Strength and has the Impact Hits (D3) special rule.		** Doom-flayer Gauntlets: Your Stormfiend hits at +2 Strength and has the Impact Hits (D3) special rule.
	** Windlaunchers: Lets your Stormfiend fire as per a single stone thrower with a range of 6-24" and the special rules Plague Wind (ignores armor, wounds on a 4+), Slow to Fire, Warpstone Weapon, and Wild Misfire.		** Windlaunchers: Lets your Stormfiend fire as per a single stone thrower with a range of 6-24" and the special rules Plague Wind (ignores armor, wounds on a 4+), Slow to Fire, Warpstone Weapon, and Wild Misfire.