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	Another approach with this is using a lot of small skeleton warriors units. No one will break in combat, gives you an advantage in the deployment phase and it's so damn annoying for your opponent. I used this approach several times and my opponents were always doubting which small unit of warriors to charge. Flank charges were my easiest and best friend. Throw in a some warsphinxes between the small units and your opponent doubts as hell. Steadfast is lost on TK hordes so might as well give it a try.		Another approach with this is using a lot of small skeleton warriors units. No one will break in combat, gives you an advantage in the deployment phase and it's so damn annoying for your opponent. I used this approach several times and my opponents were always doubting which small unit of warriors to charge. Flank charges were my easiest and best friend. Throw in a some warsphinxes between the small units and your opponent doubts as hell. Steadfast is lost on TK hordes so might as well give it a try.

	**'''Khalida/Archer Spam:''' What it says on the canned ham. Instead of footslogging Warriors, take Archers, and pincushion the enemy to death. With Khalida, that's a lot more arrows hitting the target, and Poison is just the icing on the cake. Try spell 3 of LoN.		*'''Khalida/Archer Spam:''' What it says on the canned ham. Instead of footslogging Warriors, take Archers, and pincushion the enemy to death. With Khalida, that's a lot more arrows hitting the target, and Poison is just the icing on the cake. Try spell 3 of LoN.

	**'''TombStar:''' The Tomb Guard deathstar. Usually consists of a blinged out Tomb King, Necrotect, and Battle Standard Bearer Tomb Herald at the forefront of a massive block of Tomb Guard. It <i>will</i> kill anything it touches. The trick is getting it into combat. Do not try this against elves/VC or any other magic heavy army, as they will drop everything the have on it and crumbling is bad.		*'''TombStar:''' The Tomb Guard deathstar. Usually consists of a blinged out Tomb King, Necrotect, and Battle Standard Bearer Tomb Herald at the forefront of a massive block of Tomb Guard. It <i>will</i> kill anything it touches. The trick is getting it into combat. Do not try this against elves/VC or any other magic heavy army, as they will drop everything the have on it and crumbling is bad.

	*'''And the Tomb Kings Rode to War:''' Chariots. Oh Ancient Gods, Chariots. Also known as the more evocative "Bone Train", this army features units of 3 to 6 strong Chariots running everything over front and center, often supported by Settra or Arkhan.		*'''And the Tomb Kings Rode to War:''' Chariots. Oh Ancient Gods, Chariots. Also known as the more evocative "Bone Train", this army features units of 3 to 6 strong Chariots running everything over front and center, often supported by Settra or Arkhan.

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Buying Your Army

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	===Buying Your Army===		===Buying Your Army===
	The Battallion is a great way to start. It comes with a unit of all the core or you could build the archers as warriors and make some archer horseman with the bows. It's better to equip your 40 skeletons as warriors so you'll have a sizeable hordish unit although you'll then have to make horse archers. From there it depends what build you want but obviously you need a priest or some other wizards.		The Battallion is a great way to start. It comes with a unit of all the core or you could build the archers as warriors and make some archer horseman with the bows. It's better to equip your 40 skeletons as warriors so you'll have a sizeable hordish unit although you'll then have to make horse archers. From there it depends what build you want but obviously you need a priest or some other wizards.

			Lots of companies sell skeletons including Mantic, TTCombat & Northstar so don't be afraid to look around.

	===Army Composition===		===Army Composition===

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	'''Spell 3'''		'''Spell 3'''
	Gives a unit 1 extra attack per model and also the multiple shots (2) special rule for the ranged units. This works on mounts, each rider of a sphinx, etc. and can really dish out some pain. People claim that a unit of Bowshabti with this can become very powerful but I have never seen it. <S>Also it works for your catapults</s>. Also it has the largest bubble range at 24". Yes that means every friendly units within 24" of your priest get bonus attacks and models back. It works with the Necrolith Colossus' Giant Bow, making it potentially useful (it hits on 5's, but being able to shoot twice can help mitigate that, and if you hit both times, that can really put the hurt on enemy monsters).		Gives a unit 1 extra attack per model and also the multiple shots (2) special rule for the ranged units. This works on mounts, each rider of a sphinx, etc. and can really dish out some pain. People claim that a unit of Bowshabti with this can become very powerful but I have never seen it. <S>Also it works for your catapults</s>. Also it has the largest bubble range at 24". Yes that means every friendly units within 24" of your priest get bonus attacks and models back. <s>It works with the Necrolith Colossus' Giant Bow, making it potentially useful (it hits on 5's, but being able to shoot twice can help mitigate that, and if you hit both times, that can really put the hurt on enemy monsters).</s> The FAQ says that the Bow of the Desert doesn't get multiple shots (2) from this spell, unfortunately. The spell calls out 'bow' or 'great bow', of which the Bow of the Desert is neither.

	That's it for augments so the last three don't benefit from the lore attribute.		That's it for augments so the last three don't benefit from the lore attribute.

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Generic Characters

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	*'''Tomb Kings/Prince:''' Both of these will be looked at together, since they're pretty similar. Tomb Kings are not mandatory (despite the name of the book), but in most cases you will take one as a General. They have high Toughness, a fine number of Wounds, and good Leadership, but (as you might expect) a low number of attacks and a pitiful Initiative. However, he is no melee beatstick; his true purpose lies in his rules, especially '''My Will Be Done.''' Essentially, any non-mount model in his unit gets to use his Weapon Skill. This provides a major boost to the survivability of your models in combat and helps with the low average WS of the army. Of course, your Tomb King (and Princes) can't be everywhere at once, so you should form a priority list of who should get it. Units that are already fairly decent should probably be on top; Tomb Guards, for instance, benefit immensely from MWBD, whereas the rule is generally a waste on basic Skeleton Warriors. His other special rules are interesting but not particularly important. When the Tomb King (or Prince) dies, his killer takes a few Armour Ignoring hits from '''The Curse.''' Unfortunately, this only activates if you lose the Tomb King, which you don't want to happen. It will make your enemy think twice about setting an elite character-killer on him, though. The Tomb King is also Flammable, being a mummy. This is quite unfortunate, as most enemy heroes ''will'' have Flaming Attacks to deal with Regeneration. Both levels can be taken down in two Flaming Attacks, which makes their high(ish) level of Wounds a moot point (bring Dragonbane Gem or the Dragonhelm and give those flaming attacks the middle finger). Finally, a Tomb King on a chariot can join units of chariots. However, outside of a chariot, the Tomb King is severely limited in equipment options. He cannot take a "regular" mount, he cannot take non-magical heavy armour, and he cannot take non-magical paired weapons. As such, he must invest heavily in magic items, which many other races do not have to do. Friendly reminder to take the Fencer's Blades, as it gives your Tomb King WS10, which with MWBD gives an entire unit WS10.		*'''Tomb Kings/Prince:''' Both of these will be looked at together, since they're pretty similar. Tomb Kings are not mandatory (despite the name of the book), but in most cases you will take one as a General. They have high Toughness, a fine number of Wounds, and good Leadership, but (as you might expect) a low number of attacks and a pitiful Initiative. However, he is no melee beatstick; his true purpose lies in his rules, especially '''My Will Be Done.''' Essentially, any non-mount model in his unit gets to use his Weapon Skill. This provides a major boost to the survivability of your models in combat and helps with the low average WS of the army. Of course, your Tomb King (and Princes) can't be everywhere at once, so you should form a priority list of who should get it. Units that are already fairly decent should probably be on top; Tomb Guards, for instance, benefit immensely from MWBD, whereas the rule is generally a waste on basic Skeleton Warriors. His other special rules are interesting but not particularly important. When the Tomb King (or Prince) dies, his killer takes a few Armour Ignoring hits from '''The Curse.''' Unfortunately, this only activates if you lose the Tomb King, which you don't want to happen. It will make your enemy think twice about setting an elite character-killer on him, though. The Tomb King is also Flammable, being a mummy. This is quite unfortunate, as most enemy heroes ''will'' have Flaming Attacks to deal with Regeneration. Both levels can be taken down in two Flaming Attacks, which makes their high(ish) level of Wounds a moot point (bring Dragonbane Gem or the Dragonhelm and give those flaming attacks the middle finger). Finally, a Tomb King on a chariot can join units of chariots. However, outside of a chariot, the Tomb King is severely limited in equipment options. He cannot take a "regular" mount, he cannot take non-magical heavy armour, and he cannot take non-magical paired weapons. As such, he must invest heavily in magic items, which many other races do not have to do. <S>Friendly reminder to take the Fencer's Blades, as it gives your Tomb King WS10, which with MWBD gives an entire unit WS10.</s> MWBD uses unmodified WS, as written in the book and confirmed in the FAQ.

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	'''Necrolith Colossus:''' The renamed Bone Giant, the Colossus is a incredibly cheap monster in relation to it's statline, with a multitude of weapon options that allow you to tailor its role in your army. coming in at 170 points, the colossus sports a basic statline of WS3 BS2 S6 T6 W5 I1 A4, as you can see, it has sacrificed Weapon skill, initiative and attacks in order to sport both strength 6 and toughness 6, allowing the colossus to definitely compete in a one on one situation with other monsters that lack a auto hit/wound attack mechanic(giants in particular). The weapon options available can either compensate for the low number of attacks by taking two hand weapons(5 points), or maximize strength by taking a great weapon(10 points). One odd~~, and, in my opinion, worthless~~ option, is the Bow of the Desert(20 points), which gives the colossus a Move and Fire bolt thrower that has all of the basic bolt thrower stats( S6, rank pierce, ignores armour, D3 wounds) ~~obviously this choice is designed for defensive lists who still wish to take a sturdy offensive unit~~, ~~and it would not be so bad if the colossus wasn't Bs 2 and the bow was not so expensive/applied a close combat benefit. Obviously whoever just wrote that forgot about~~ Arrows of the Asp (~~which is a special rule that the entire* Tomb Kings army has, meaning that the bone giant will always hi on a 5+, regardless of any~~ modifiers, ~~meaning you get a mobile bolt thrower for 20 points. Odds are, you will hit two or three times per game with he bow IF your giant does not engage~~ in ~~close combat, but~~ the ~~most likely scenario will~~ be a ~~turn three engagement, rendering the bow effectively useless for the rest~~ of the game~~(and for much of the game leading up to turn three). Ultimately I would advise selecting~~ the close ~~combat weapon option that would best suit the target of your colossus~~. Finally we have the defining trait of this monster, and quite a entertaining one at that, as when the colossus charges and engages in combat, every successful unsaved wound caused in that one combat round grants a additional attack, allowing for a vast quantity of wounds to stack up if you are particularly lucky. With this ability, it is perfectly possible for a colossus to break a engaged unit by smashing into their flank though the sheer amount of wounds churned out, so it is advised to hold one next to a tarpit until you can get a ~~opponents~~ unit locked into combat.		*'''Necrolith Colossus:''' The renamed Bone Giant, the Colossus is a incredibly cheap monster in relation to it's statline, with a multitude of weapon options that allow you to tailor its role in your army. coming in at 170 points, the colossus sports a basic statline of WS3 BS2 S6 T6 W5 I1 A4, as you can see, it has sacrificed Weapon skill, initiative and attacks in order to sport both strength 6 and toughness 6, allowing the colossus to definitely compete in a one on one situation with other monsters that lack a auto hit/wound attack mechanic (giants in particular). The weapon options available can either compensate for the low number of attacks by taking two hand weapons (5 points), or maximize strength by taking a great weapon(10 points). One odd option is the Bow of the Desert (20 points), which gives the colossus a Move and Fire bolt thrower that has all of the basic bolt thrower stats (S6, rank pierce, ignores armour, D3 wounds), plus Arrows of the Asp (no hit modifiers, like everything else in the army.) This choice is designed for defensive lists: it should be able to land at least a couple of hits in the early game, then counter-charge as the enemy close in. Finally we have the defining trait of this monster, and quite a entertaining one at that, as when the colossus charges and engages in combat, every successful unsaved wound caused in that one combat round grants a additional attack, allowing for a vast quantity of wounds to stack up if you are particularly lucky. With this ability, it is perfectly possible for a colossus to break a engaged unit by smashing into their flank though the sheer amount of wounds churned out, so it is advised to hold one next to a tarpit until you can get a opponent's unit locked into combat. Cast a couple of buffs from the Lore of Light (WS10 being chief among them) and watch as he crushes through rank and file troops like he's kicking sandcastles over.

	Give this model weaponskill 10 with the spell from the lore of light and watch as he crushes through rank and file troops like they're made of butter. He'll pump out so many attacks that will hit because of the WS10 that his special ability will keep allowing you to attack over and over. Throw in Bjona's Timewarp as well and watch enemy units evaporate at base contact.		*'''Hierotitan:''' A magical support variant of the colossus with a identical statline aside from -1 attack, the hierotitan, while being passable in close combat, is chiefly brought along for its Bound Spells and buff effects. At face value, the bound items are of little note, one contains Shem's burning gaze(3+ to cast), and the other contains spirit leech(4+ to cast) at relatively low casting values, not enough to be reliable on one dice, but low enough to warrant consideration should they be in range, as it is perfectly possible to drain a few wounds from a monster heading towards your lines. In addition, the Hierotitan makes an excellent support unit for any unit containing a Liche Priest. Place a caster (high or low) in a unit of skeleton spearmen (preferably in horde formation) and put a Hierotitan on the flank. Not only does this make the unit a bigger threat but the additional +D3 to cast for your wizard is a big bonus. Also a devastating combination if you can fit a Casket into your list which makes for a nasty magic phase - when done with a L4 mage this tactic (mage, hierotitan, and casket) has been playtested to give an advantage in winds of magic 80% of the time and also gives the occasional +7 to casting attempts.


	*'''Hierotitan:''' A magical support variant of the colossus with a identical statline aside from -1 attack, the hierotitan, while being passable in close combat, ~~it's strength lies in the two bound items it carries~~ and ~~it's passive~~ buff. At face value, the bound items are of little note, one contains Shem's burning gaze(3+ to cast), and the other contains spirit leech(4+ to cast) at relatively low casting values, not enough to be reliable on one dice, but low enough to warrant consideration should they be in range, as it is perfectly possible to drain a few wounds from a monster heading towards your lines.In addition, the Hierotitan makes an excellent support unit for any unit containing a Liche Priest. Place a caster (high or low) in a unit of skeleton spearmen (preferably in horde formation) and put a Hierotitan on the flank. Not only does this make the unit a bigger threat but the additional +D3 to cast for your wizard is a big bonus. Also a devastating combination if you can fit a Casket into your list which makes for a nasty magic phase - when done with a L4 mage this tactic (mage, hierotitan, and casket) has been playtested to give an advantage in winds of magic 80% of the time and also gives the occasional +7 to casting attempts.

	*'''Necrosphinx:''' Advertised as a monster killer, the necrosphinx is one of the few units currently in existence that carries a natural attack with heroic killing blow special rule, giving it the potential to wipe almost any monster out on a lucky dice roll at a modest price of 225 points. An important point to note is the statline, being a variant of the warsphinx, the necrosphinx shares the toughness 8, allowing it to remain locked in combat with almost any monster without much fear of losing, this is coupled with 5 attacks and strength 5 to clean up almost anything currently present. A note on the HKB, every turn you must nominate one attack before rolling to hit to strike at strength 10 and have the HKB special rule, this is obviously your primary source of damage against other monsters(it should be stressed this is only one attack with 50% of hitting most things that have a Ws higher than 3), while against infantry sized models, you also posses killing blow on your normal attacks. In addition, the necrosphinx has the ability to fly, which is awesome.		*'''Necrosphinx:''' Advertised as a monster killer, the necrosphinx is one of the few units currently in existence that carries a natural attack with heroic killing blow special rule, giving it the potential to wipe almost any monster out on a lucky dice roll at a modest price of 225 points. An important point to note is the statline, being a variant of the warsphinx, the necrosphinx shares the toughness 8, allowing it to remain locked in combat with almost any monster without much fear of losing, this is coupled with 5 attacks and strength 5 to clean up almost anything currently present. A note on the HKB, every turn you must nominate one attack before rolling to hit to strike at strength 10 and have the HKB special rule, this is obviously your primary source of damage against other monsters(it should be stressed this is only one attack with 50% of hitting most things that have a Ws higher than 3), while against infantry sized models, you also posses killing blow on your normal attacks. In addition, the necrosphinx has the ability to fly, which is awesome.

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	*'''Sepulchral Stalkers:''' Another unit designed to enter the board though EBTS, however, rather than acting as a flanker, the stalkers possess a unique offensive ability more suited for hunting heavy armor and monsters. Each stalker has a shooting attack that hits automatically ~~(which means no rolling a 6 to hit for Khalida poison)~~ with a number of shots equal to the roll on a artillery dice, however if you were to roll a misfire, the stalker in question will suffer D3 automatic wounds with no armorr saves allowed. After determining the number of shots, you treat each like a strength 1 ranged attack that ignores armor, the positive point of this, is that you will roll to wound using your opponents initiative rather then their toughness, allowing many monsters and heavy infantry to be wounded on 5s and even 4s with no chance of their armor saving them. Obviously, this ability is very handy for dealing with monsters, but do not forget that EBTS does not prevent you from shooting, thus allowing you to deliver the unit anywhere and set them upon anything, allowing a far greater freedom of choice when using the unit. If you so wish it is possible to have your stalkers engage in close combat, and as long as the unit in question is light/facing the other way and engaged/ or half dead, and still come out on top with a fairly healthy profile with Ws2 S4 T4 W3 I3 A2 and halberds in addition to their stomp for being monstrous beasts, they cannot survive in a general brawl all by themselves no, but it is perfectly acceptable to deliver a rear charge in order to break an enemy unit.		*'''Sepulchral Stalkers:''' Another unit designed to enter the board though EBTS, however, rather than acting as a flanker, the stalkers possess a unique offensive ability more suited for hunting heavy armor and monsters. Each stalker has a shooting attack that hits automatically with a number of shots equal to the roll on a artillery dice, however if you were to roll a misfire, the stalker in question will suffer D3 automatic wounds with no armorr saves allowed. After determining the number of shots, you treat each like a strength 1 ranged attack that ignores armor, the positive point of this, is that you will roll to wound using your opponents initiative rather then their toughness, allowing many monsters and heavy infantry to be wounded on 5s and even 4s with no chance of their armor saving them. Obviously, this ability is very handy for dealing with monsters, but do not forget that EBTS does not prevent you from shooting, thus allowing you to deliver the unit anywhere and set them upon anything, allowing a far greater freedom of choice when using the unit. If you so wish it is possible to have your stalkers engage in close combat, and as long as the unit in question is light/facing the other way and engaged/ or half dead, and still come out on top with a fairly healthy profile with Ws2 S4 T4 W3 I3 A2 and halberds in addition to their stomp for being monstrous beasts, they cannot survive in a general brawl all by themselves no, but it is perfectly acceptable to deliver a rear charge in order to break an enemy unit.

	===Rare Units===		===Rare Units===

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Named Characters: Khalida's "Blessing of Asaph" special rule grants her BS and poisoned attacks only to Skeleton Archers, not Sepulchral Stalkers

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	Her T5 and Light Armor are not enough to protect her against other characters or monsters, especially since she lost Regeneration.		Her T5 and Light Armor are not enough to protect her against other characters or monsters, especially since she lost Regeneration.
	However Khalida is the posterchild of Tomb King archer lists everywhere, as her MWBD has been altered to grant her BS3 rather then her WS6 to any unit of Archers she joins in addition to granting their Shooting Attacks Poisoned, ramping up the damage output of the unit.		However Khalida is the posterchild of Tomb King archer lists everywhere, as her MWBD has been altered to grant her BS3 rather then her WS6 to any unit of Archers she joins in addition to granting their Shooting Attacks Poisoned, ramping up the damage output of the unit.
	Two minor notes, Khalida also has Hatred against Vampire Counts and a Enchanted item which inflicts 2D6 S4 hits against a unit within 24" following the rules for Magic Missiles.		Two minor notes, Khalida also has Hatred against Vampire Counts and a Enchanted item which inflicts 2D6 S4 hits against a unit within 24" following the rules for Magic Missiles. She makes a good general for archer-heavy lists, but a fragile one so if you take her, keep her in a unit, preferably buffed with some form of protection (like Incantation of Neru).

	She makes a good general for archer-heavy lists, but a fragile one so if you take her, keep her in a unit, preferably buffed with some form of protection (like Incantation of Neru). Coupled with Sepulcheral Stalkers, she'll ensure you have the damage to wipe out a good amount of the opposing force before they reach you (except hitting automatically doesn't use her BS and prevents the use of poison).

	*'''Prince Apophas:''' A complete douchebag who [[Malekith\|killed the entire royal family and declared himself king, leading to a rebellion against him and a lulzy divine punishment]] of being not allowed to die until he claimed the soul of someone who's soul is equal to his own (something that is impossible).		*'''Prince Apophas:''' A complete douchebag who [[Malekith\|killed the entire royal family and declared himself king, leading to a rebellion against him and a lulzy divine punishment]] of being not allowed to die until he claimed the soul of someone who's soul is equal to his own (something that is impossible).

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Named Characters

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	Two minor notes, Khalida also has Hatred against Vampire Counts and a Enchanted item which inflicts 2D6 S4 hits against a unit within 24" following the rules for Magic Missiles.		Two minor notes, Khalida also has Hatred against Vampire Counts and a Enchanted item which inflicts 2D6 S4 hits against a unit within 24" following the rules for Magic Missiles.

	She makes a good general for archer-heavy lists, but a fragile one so if you take her, keep her in a unit, preferably buffed with some form of protection (like Incantation of Neru). Coupled with Sepulcheral Stalkers, she'll ensure you have the damage to wipe out a good amount of the opposing force before they reach you.		She makes a good general for archer-heavy lists, but a fragile one so if you take her, keep her in a unit, preferably buffed with some form of protection (like Incantation of Neru). Coupled with Sepulcheral Stalkers, she'll ensure you have the damage to wipe out a good amount of the opposing force before they reach you (except hitting automatically doesn't use her BS and prevents the use of poison).

	*'''Prince Apophas:''' A complete douchebag who [[Malekith\|killed the entire royal family and declared himself king, leading to a rebellion against him and a lulzy divine punishment]] of being not allowed to die until he claimed the soul of someone who's soul is equal to his own (something that is impossible).		*'''Prince Apophas:''' A complete douchebag who [[Malekith\|killed the entire royal family and declared himself king, leading to a rebellion against him and a lulzy divine punishment]] of being not allowed to die until he claimed the soul of someone who's soul is equal to his own (something that is impossible).